Manchester United Banter Archive November 01 2017

01 Nov 2017 21:11:15
All these great amazing world-class players people told me all summer Madrid had .

Teams more important than the individual .
If Madrid win nothing this year are all there players not good enough.

01 Nov 2017 21:47:02
But wouldn't you rather have their less defensive style?

01 Nov 2017 22:07:48
There were some strange results tonight but it's great to see Ramos throwing his toys out of the pram.

There doesn't look to be a standout team this year, I guess PSG are the ones to beat right now but they haven't been tested yet.

01 Nov 2017 22:33:36
I think they need 3 David De Geas never mind one with defending like that dear me 🙈🙈🙈.

01 Nov 2017 22:40:31
They are back to back champions league winners, of course people are going to call their players world class.

02 Nov 2017 00:47:16
It's a team that achieved what no other team has managed its a team when all available is full of world class players and win 3 of last 4 cl. Even world class players have dips and confidence issues. Well done to spurs they were great tonight. Maybe zidane should have called jose for advice. Great results for epl teams so far bar the chelsea results.
Winning our group we could draw madrid let's hope the slump in form continues but i doubt it will for long.
Zidane made an error imo by not bringing in some top fresh blood. Always a good time to improve and bring fresh competition and avoid complacency is when your on top. 3 or 4 years now with essentially the same team perhaps its a bit stale at the moment.

02 Nov 2017 08:12:21
Watched city last night, very good pep has got them playing very well.
Delph at lb had another very good game .
Could do a Moses this year and be an un fancied player who finds a place in the team .
Stones has been good as well .
Sterling knocked in his 10th goal of the season

Pep has All them individuals playing well and as a team .

02 Nov 2017 08:13:43
Should also say napoli are a good team to watch.

02 Nov 2017 08:48:52
Madrid are slowly coming towards the end of their cycle. Whilst Ronaldo is still an amazing player his superhuman achievements are just starting to decline. Make no mistake despite all the excellent players in their squad he made the difference just like Messi does for Barca. I totally agree with Ken it is was a mistake not to invest in the summer, they have rested on their laurels and are possibly suffering from a slight lack of motivation without any new blood to give them fresh impetus and increase competition for places. Their first 11 virtually picks itself when everybody is fit. They even sold Morata without replacing him!

I can't believe they didn't sign the likes of Pogba and Mbappe and even more surprising is they appear to have been out bid for both which would have been unheard of a few years ago!

The balance of power is slowly shifting away from the big three of recent years Barca, Madrid and Bayern in my opinion.

In the premier league we now have the best coaches in world football at the top clubs, Pep, Jose, Conte, Potch, Klopp and most with big money to spend. We really are in a golden era and should all enjoy this time. If they all stay in their respective jobs for the next few years it won't be long until we see English sides consistently making the semi's and finals of the Champions League with the likes of PSG in my opinion.

02 Nov 2017 09:08:34
Danny
I think your right there, it looks (fingers crossed ) the next cycle is starting to come .
Messi like Ronaldo papers over a lot of cracks, always reading on here no United players would get in the barce or Madrid team but there are some average individuals in both teams especially at the back in defence .
They hide or get carried along by the very good players and the likes of Messi and Ronaldo who take a team to another level .
Take some of them players out the Madrid barce team I don't think they would look anywhere near as good .

Credit to spurs beat Madrid 4.2 over 2 legs.

02 Nov 2017 09:23:50
Wow jred. You must have missed real over the last 2 years. Have a look at what they won.

Yeah, decent players 🤣.

02 Nov 2017 09:53:43
Angle
Some very very good players but not the 22 world-class players people would have you believe

Very good team but team as always is the word .
People always seem to judge a player by the team he plays in and how the team plays .
Look at the Monaco team, would people be having wet dreams over fabinho like they where last year if Monaco never had mbappe and co a bit like they haven't now?

United got beat by Madrid only a couple of month ago go and read some of the embarrassing post on here at the time .
Watch delph at the moment or Moses last season and read all the post on here about we can't win the league with out a new lb or rb .

Watch sterling playing in a great team at the moment and read post that we need to spend 200 mill on a fancy wide player (Big name) or that martial isn't that good?

02 Nov 2017 10:14:05
Totally agree Jred and Spurs have made Madrid look relatively ordinary over the two games. Whilst Spurs do play good football I think their strength predominantly comes from their defensive unit and in the two games against Madrid they have simply defended better and have had the quality up front to hurt Madrid.

Bringing me back to Utd a lot has been made of our style or perceived lack of it! I believe that all teams should be built from the back, giving the platform for the more creative players to play. I actually like Jose's style, I respect a well disciplined, well organised, professional team where everybody knows their job!

In terms of Utd I think we're still a team in a process, but like Fergi, Jose has found a way to make us competitive whilst still building the jigsaw. I agree with Paul Scholes's recent comments that we're still a real quality No 10 away from being a world class unit. Miki and Mata both have undoubted quality but have lacked consistency, which should be better given their ages and experience. I'm not entirely convinced that Jose is completely happy with any of the front 3 behind Lukaku. Rashford and Martial obviously have talent but will Jose be around long enough for them to reach a level of consistency that he desires?

I think over the next few windows we'll look to add some real quality in those positions and with that I'm convinced we'll see more attractive, attacking football. Don't forget Fergi could be the ultimate pragmatist at times. He often turned to Fletcher and Park in big games and he left Tevez, Berbatov and Scholes on the bench in a Champions League final in failed attempt to add energy and numbers in midfield against a Barcelona team that had YaYa Toure at CB. Just saying!

Jose has turned OT into a fortress again and isn't it significant that home games like the other night against Benfica just seem routine?

I really hope we tie him down to another contract. Whilst I don't expect him to be here long term I'd love to see him battle Pep both at home and in Europe over the next few years!

02 Nov 2017 10:18:33
I know what you are saying. But I don't believe anybody was saying 22 world class players. That is never he case in any team.

But they achieved some incredible feats over the last number of years. Many of their players warrant the tag 'world class'.

I know you like an 'I told you so' but you really are off the mark on that one.

02 Nov 2017 10:25:28
Angle yes there where pal .
Only 1 pogba maybe 2 players bailly would get in the Madrid squad.
Casemero was world-class?
There wing backs where world class.

Is it I told you so or a case reading day after day how our players aren't good enough and all these other players are amazing .
Slag your own drool over everyone else

Danny
Great post pal.

02 Nov 2017 10:33:09
I think the point is that it is up to the Manage to get the best out of his players, Zidane did it last year as did Conte and we can see Pep starting to turn Delph into a decent plate.

Jose is renowned for improving players, this is what we need to see and what will make all the difference.

02 Nov 2017 10:48:59
Ajh
About sums it up.

02 Nov 2017 13:01:05
Sorry jerd, I don't know what you mean with 'Slag your own drool'.

I know where you are coming from but personally I don't say Real have 22 world class players, that's just an overstatement. But I can acknowledge that they have some world class players. 3 UCL's in 4 years. Pretty incredible if you ask me.

Last night's game is not a fair reflection of the IMO.

I just felt it was trying to be 'I told you so' again. It's unbecoming of you jred, that's all.

02 Nov 2017 16:40:00
Angle
Ajh hit the nail on the head.

02 Nov 2017 21:32:59
To be fair Jred, it's Jose who wanted a shiny new winger (Perisic), not us. And I think Jose it far better placed than you to decide what we need. Don't you? It's Jose that also wants Danny Rose. So I don't understand the criticism of people on this site, they are simply seeing the gaping holes that Jose can see, that you clearly don't.

03 Nov 2017 07:27:02
Syd. I don't think that's the point. Shaw was an England international but allegedly he and Jose are no longer on speaking terms. Darmian is an Italian international who is in and out of our team. It's not as easy as saying we need better players, we need to improve the ones we have.

With Jose it seems to his way or the highway which is quite an outdated approach. He should be looking at Shaw and asking "how do I get the best out of this kid" whereas what he seems to do is criticise publicly (not just Shaw) .

I think we have a very strong tr and a strong squad who are not playing to their potential. Rather than just keep buying players we need to get them to play to their potential.

03 Nov 2017 16:55:26
AJH - I agree with that. All of that. I like Shaw but he's always injured. There are things Jose wants to do and I can see why. Mata lacks speed where he is playing. We need a regular LB. But agree we have a good squad. Just two positions away from great I think. Anyway, have a great weekend guys.

01 Nov 2017 13:24:51
David de gea hasn't conceded a goal at old Trafford for 7 months.
And he isn't rated by fifa.

01 Nov 2017 13:35:48
I think that's a bit unfair leahy.
The most recent awards were for the team of the season last year not the best player awards.
Buffon won the league agsin and hot to CL final again. Ddg played well but didn't play in our el win and we were sixth in the league. So in terms of keepers having great seasons ddg was not up there for the last few couple of seasons. The team not being hugely succesful will stunt any opportunity for most of those awards.

01 Nov 2017 13:44:40
It's ridiculous, I suspect it has more to do with him not competing in the UCL last season than them not rating him. He is clearly one of the top three keepers in the world, arguably the best at this moment in time.

Personally I stopped concerning myself with FIFA and what they think a long time ago.

01 Nov 2017 14:18:47
It was for team of the season buffon had a better season what's the problem?

01 Nov 2017 14:44:25
Ken buffons team had the better season. Is that down to the keepers?

01 Nov 2017 16:21:32
Mort its the way it usually works buffon was great last year he captained the side to another title and euro final ddg didn't.

01 Nov 2017 16:56:59
Juventus played well but ddg was better than Buffon .
It surely isn't for which player played in a team that done the best? Why isn't it just all the players from Madrid?

Why are Insta Messi and neymar in it, what did they win?

01 Nov 2017 17:21:23
Ddg was not better than buffon last season jred.
Messi was in as he had yet another outstanding season. As did neymar he secured a world record deal. But sure a bit like jose jred your not happy unless your are moaning at somebody or something.
I know you think winni g thi gs is not a great measure of players but its what counts st the end of a career.

01 Nov 2017 18:32:02
Ken
Not at all, myself and others simple think that ddg was better than Buffon last season .

You said very clearly above that Buffon was in because it was for " team of the season last year not the best player awards.  "

How do you pick a team of the season if it's not for the best player?

Why was neymar in for example when he won nothing (unlike ddg) and not someone like dybla who was also very good and won the league and got to the CL final . Just like Buffon did .

Back up your argument and answer a question.

01 Nov 2017 18:32:43
Ken Dr gea was last season and this a better keeper than buffon.
Now Ken you have a fair moan yourself about martial and Rooney the whole of last season.

01 Nov 2017 18:44:24
Ken, you need to put your shovel down and stop digging. You say it's about winning things but there are plenty who didn't win anything right up there. It just shows the flaws in the rankings. You clearly disagree but DDG right now is possibly the best around, I think Buffon was more of a lifetime achievement thing, give it him before he retires.

01 Nov 2017 20:40:15
It usually is selected from the high profile teams wrong or competing at the highest level united did neither last year no shovel required.
I think ddg is the best in the world but his team were not competing at tje highest level. I would suggest that if united win the cl this season or spain a world cup next season ddg will be the keeper selected.
I think for what he achieved and at his age too buffon was tje outstanding candidate for keeper of the season.
Your opion differs but buffon won so i'm not alone in that view so no shovel required ajh.

01 Nov 2017 20:46:56
Ken
Of course not .
Contradicted yourself 3 times but what does that matter 😂😂😂😂😂.

One day you will answer a question and back up your famous opinion.

01 Nov 2017 21:03:04
Buffon did get to a European final last season, but De Gea won a European final. Or was that Romero? Maybe that's why he wasn't rated, because he didn't participate in the Europa? IDK.

01 Nov 2017 21:14:15
The fifa team of the season is nothing more than a popularity contest that some fans get sucked into.

01 Nov 2017 21:17:36
whay part do you not understand jred? I think ddg is best keeper in the world but last season buffon and his team achived more ddg didn't even play in a European comp last season. Buffon was the outstanding candudate on last years achievements imo.

01 Nov 2017 21:19:46
Buffon was given it to make up for all the times he should've won it but lost out to casillas.

01 Nov 2017 21:50:31
Ken
Put the spade down .
What did neymar and his team win?
Ddg didn't even play in the final? So what 😂😂😂😂.
Navas won the CL, la liga and the super cup more than Buffon?
So what ddg is still a better player.

You say "ddg was not better than buffon last season jred" but "ddg is the best in the world" .

The fifa team is a popularity contest for fans who think if you win some thing your automatically better than anyone else .

01 Nov 2017 23:25:34
Joe hart is a pretty good keeper too.

02 Nov 2017 00:48:57
Mort do you think buffon would have got it if juve finished 6th and if he didn't play in European competition at all?

02 Nov 2017 05:33:44
Stopped paying attention to FIFA an UEFA when Messi won the best player award during the 2014 World Cup.

They are anti-English clubs and England for a start because we have mopped up commercially in my opinion, and we don't quite fit in to their ways. Had DDG been playing for Madrid and performed exactly the same he would have won the award, but who cares really, it's all politics and ass kissing. Man Utd haven't been the force of old for a while now so it's not surprising that we (and our players) get overlooked for awards like this, but in saying that it doesn't take much of an effort for us to be ignored. It will only get worse with Brexit imo.

Best thing to do is not engage with their propaganda.

02 Nov 2017 07:09:32
Jred you are pretty unintelligent. Alli played better than ronalso last night but i still think ronaldo is the best player in the world. It doest make alli a better player it means he had a better game than ronaldo last night.
Buffon had a better season last season than ddg but i still think ddg is the better keeper overall over past gew seasons.

02 Nov 2017 08:22:51
Ken
As many people above have said the team Buffon played for had a better season than the team ddg played for but ddg was the better player .

If it was on what the team you played for won navas should of got it . neymar who won nothing shouldn't off .


If fact if it was based on what you won it would be TEAM of the season the team who had done the best .
But it's not it is meant to be a team made up of the best performing players .

You have contradicted yourself about 6 times .
Very quick to give your famous opinion but never answer a question to back it up .

Ali played well last, so what it was one game 😂😂😂😂 it's got nothing to do with anything . Put the spade down . in fact don't it's comedy gold.

02 Nov 2017 08:24:15
Beast
I think your on the money pal.
The whole think is a joke NEARLY all fans know that.

02 Nov 2017 13:08:34
De Gea, undoubtedly a better GK IMO.

I don't know how they pick a world XI. Statistically speaking, last year Buffon won his domestic league and got to UCL final, similar amount of clean sheets but with less minutes played. Probably get's it on his achievements last year. But ask me who I'd rather in my world XI, De Gea everyday. Juventus seem to have been more consistent in the UCL last couple of years.

01 Nov 2017 07:23:28
The game was ok, flashes of great Olay but very stop start for me. Great to see McTominay who had a very solid game and slotted straight in. Once players are back we need to give Matic a rest, he has become pivotal but is playing every single game.

Martial was both impressive and frustrating but both he and Rashford always look like causing havoc and creating something so I'm happy to accept the poor decisions they sometimes make. Who knows, we, might see them in the same team at some point.

Chelsea were woeful, last night so it will be interesting to see if we go after them or sit back and let them have the ball. There is something not right there so I hope we get at them but I'm not sure we will. As for Jose, another win yet he was Mr Grumpy again. He has the personality to use humour in these situations but right now he just seems to want to argue. Since the Last Liverpool game he has developed a large chip on his shoulder and I wish he would chill out.

01 Nov 2017 07:47:42
This is Jose, his teams will score goals because of the quality in them but I'm not sure people are going to see the free flowing football they want .

Not when it's 00, Jose is very much a win the game first manager don't take chances at 00 .
Rarely throws caution to wind if he doesn't have to.
Once the score line changes things change but you do get tight games, solid performances from Jose teams .

01 Nov 2017 08:24:44
Intersting piece I read just now about how the fortunes of United and Chelsea have differed since Matic transfer.

01 Nov 2017 08:57:19
I enjoyed the match last night; it was an entertaining game of football which either team could have won. Plenty of chances and some close decisions is what I want to see. That's where the entertainment comes from and that's what gives footballing satisfaction.

I'll give some credit to Mourinho for allowing an open game and not shutting up shop at 1-0. I'll also give him some kudos for persisting with Martial even after a couple of wobbly performances.

01 Nov 2017 09:07:03
Wrd
Far more to it than that imo, Chelsea had no injuries last year and no CL football massive advantage .
So far this season kante has been out hazard has been out Moses is out Luis has been out bakayaro has been out and to be honest morrata is no Costa.
Not getting a rest each week while other teams play in Europe midweek is also massive keeping the players fresh and fit.
There squad like last season looks light and conte suddenly has a job on his hands and not sure how he is handling the pressure.

Matic has been very good for United but we where very solid last season, United have had a dip when the forwards have lost a bit of cohesion.
Before the international break lukaku Miki the front line all playing well getting goals after that its been pretty similar to last season .

01 Nov 2017 12:48:28
Can't help wondering why we don't ever have martial and rashford on the pitch at the same time, one wide left the other wide right. Got to be worth a try out especially at home.

01 Nov 2017 13:38:32
Good shout allan i think a lot of people wonder the same.

01 Nov 2017 13:48:00
Good points jred. I am hoping Sunday we see good work form mata out wide, slipped to Matic who feeds RedRom and goall ha That’d hurt ha.

01 Nov 2017 17:04:11
Wrd
I think rom has been carrying a knock since he done his ankle . Maybe wrong he might of just been crap

Second half last night he looked a lot better imo so hope he is back to his best at the weekend.

01 Nov 2017 21:04:38
are there funds available to improve the squad in january? he eluded to the club "making money" in the post match interview which i found a bit of an odd thing to say. i can only guess a meeting with ed woodward or whoever didn't go to plan during the last international break.