Manchester United Banter Archive February 20 2018

 

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20 Feb 2018 20:34:34
After a busy day at work I come on this site and find the huge debate about City. I take the point about Pep throwing his toys out of the prom but let me ask you this, how many top Managers lose with dignity? Not many I can think of and it’s the nature of being a winner. However, the irony of them having a man sent off due to a dangerous challenge is delicious.

As for Aguero, I can’t believe some of the views I am seeing. If reports are true, that he was abused and spat on then I think he was pretty controlled. The bigger issue is that fans running on the pitch is dangerous: how long before a player gets seriously injured? We have had players punched and abused, how long before a knife appears. I think invading a pitch should be a serious legal offence. There was issue in an Australian cricket test years ago and a player got badly hurt trying to tackle a fan. After that the Aussie authorities made entering a field of play a pretty serious offence and guess what? It stopped.

Many football fans are boozed up idiots who think they can do and say what they want; the abuse players get nowadays is unacceptable. If a player has the temerity to give it back they howl with anger and demand action. If I was Aguero I would have punched that fans lights out and if Aguero had done, I would have applauded him.

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20 Feb 2018 20:58:08
Totally agree. It won’t be long till clubs start doing breath tests on how drunk some fans are.

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20 Feb 2018 21:01:40
And you would have got a ban for it. I have no doubt you are right that the fan was probably a horrible piece of work however players don’t operate in the same stratosphere as the rest of us on any level and so they can’t be seen to react like that. And certainly it can’t be seen as one rule for one but not another.
Re Pep it’s not his reaction that gets to me but the fact that it highlights how much of a media darling he’s been made so far whenin fact he’s like any other manager, just not vilified yet. he will be as that’s how you sell column
Inches you build someone up and up so you can knock them down further over a longer period and sell more off the back of it. It will happen just depends on how long. Klopp as well. The tabloid press is calculated and ruthless. Ask Jose.

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20 Feb 2018 21:15:18
Robbie, that’s a good point about Pep, he is certainty the media darling isn’t he? I get the point abut players but why should they have to put up with abuse, why has it become acceptable?

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20 Feb 2018 21:23:27
Ajh i agree on the bad loser thing. Fergie jose wenger all have done worse in the tunnel. I was more annoyed with the ref. He should have sent him to the stand for the offence. Now any manager can say or do what they like to refs in the tunnel and point to double standards if they are sent off themselves.
On aguero i think he should have been banned for a couple of games there is no place for his actions not withstanding the provocation. The supporter should be banned for life.
No evidence of any spit in the coverage and god knows what he said nevertheless its not the way to behave.
I go to Ireland rugby matches regularly and what a difference in the atmosphere. Opposition fans sit alongside each other. Same at gaa cricket and many other sorts. But the yob mentality and aggression at football matches is appalling. I couldn't agree more. Its disgusting at times. Rugby players brawl with each other on the pitch often but on the couple of occasions a player hit a fan they were banned for 18 months. Aguero didn't hurt the guy or connect but tried to wanted to and would have if he wasnt stopped, that warrented a ban imo.
But the fa have ignored it so its a mute point.
Would they have ignored it if it was vinny jones barton clough or julian dicks? I doubt it.

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20 Feb 2018 22:30:50
Good to see you're back working again, Tony.

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20 Feb 2018 22:44:58
Pep has always been a bad loser it was Jose remember who made him quit at Barcelona ☹☹.

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20 Feb 2018 23:03:46
All the media saying City are still on for THE treble. Surely, it should be A treble, considering the FA Cup is one of the top 3 trophies.

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21 Feb 2018 06:27:52
Come on Arsenal. If they can do City in the League Cup then good as they have been this talk of a quadruple / treble will stop. Wigan showed that they are beatable and most noticeable of all, they stopped City scoring.

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21 Feb 2018 09:32:33
AJH, being Aussie, I’m not sure of the incident you speak of but if you have a spare couple of minutes, hop on YouTube and search “Andrew Symonds smashes streaker”.

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21 Feb 2018 09:50:20
Darv, If I google someone ''smashes streaker'', I'm going to get a whole lot of video's that will land me in hot water with the wife.

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21 Feb 2018 10:48:17
Haha ports, as I said, go to you tube, not red tube.

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21 Feb 2018 11:01:09
its only celtic who are in with a chance of a quadruple stevie, the domestic treble and the europa league lol.

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21 Feb 2018 11:12:56
Domestic treble in Scotland, James? Sure that's like me beating my 3 year old nephew at tennis 😁.

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{Ed007's Note - How can you slag any league after Leicester won the English Pub League, Stevie? My nan whose been dead 20 years would finish top scorer in the tinpot EPL that includes dross like Burnley and Huddersfield.}

21 Feb 2018 11:30:17
I'd fancy Burnley to beat Celtic.

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{Ed007's Note - Man City couldn't do it last year and they were unbeaten in the Pub League when we played them and just because Utd drew with Burnley and scraped a 1-0 win doesn't mean Burnley are a good team. How much Scottish football do you watch?}

21 Feb 2018 13:26:28
Just seeing if you were about today, Bond 😉.

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{Ed007's Note - Are you checking up on me officer? ;)

21 Feb 2018 15:26:41
Yes, Bond. Using a police computer to check your details as we speak. Sure I'm just another corrupt officer in the occupied 6 counties, didn't you know 😁.

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{Ed007's Note - I didn't know you were a peeler until yesterday - it came as quite a shock mate because you seem kind of... well... normal :)

21 Feb 2018 16:23:43
I get told all the time i don't look like one. I take it as a compliment 😁.

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20 Feb 2018 18:12:31
Good to see Aguero escaping punishment for his actions. good old FA. always spot on and on the ball 👍🏽



(Please detect blatant sarcasm)

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20 Feb 2018 18:52:52
If he's spat at him, fair enough.

If it's just something that's been said, a ban would have been appropriate.

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20 Feb 2018 19:06:28
There’s no way he should be punished. The idiots who came on the pitch. City or not, I don’t think it’s the players fault if they protect themselves against idiots. I would throw a punch if spat at or verbally assaulted.

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20 Feb 2018 19:33:48
Tom's
I with you on that.

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20 Feb 2018 20:01:01
Spot on 2toms me too.

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20 Feb 2018 20:01:40
just cz Aguero didn’t connect with the fan he lashed out at it doesn’t mean he should get away with it, double standards for me.

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20 Feb 2018 20:23:08
Get away with what exactly WRD, he had Wigan fans all around him. He had no idea what they were capable of doing to him. It’s human nature to protect yourself or get angry when confronted or surrounded.
I don’t condone senseless violence, but any person surrounded or threatened has the right to protect themselves.

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20 Feb 2018 20:28:56
so in that context, Eric Cantona was absolutely correct to kung-fu kick a fan? this is something many footballers around the world put up with, and remain professional about. If a player spat at him would he react in the same manner? It's already happened this season and the player who spat was sent off, but no-one tried to knock his head off.
Another thing, what was he standing round for while the pitch was being invaded, get off, or go to the other end of your pitch and thank your fans, don't stand around while the possibly drunk, over excited fans are jumping around the pitch.

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20 Feb 2018 20:48:59
Wigan fans should not have been on the pitch while the players were on it.

The child who provoked aguero should be banned for life. I’m pretty sure if one of us got spat on in the street we’d do something about it. To say he’s a professional footballer he should no better is nonsense.

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20 Feb 2018 20:47:45
Lol penfold. Are you trying to say that cantonas kung fu kick, where he jumped into fans, and agueros 'self defence' where fans ran onto the pitch to confront players are the same. please.

And now it's not his fault for moving off the pitch quick enough. Because let's face it, he should have known fans were going to invade and get in his face because of their alcohol intake. 😂.

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20 Feb 2018 21:18:46
Penfold, Cantona jumped into the crowd. You can’t possibly compare the two incidents.
All I’m saying is, if I was spat at or verbally assaulted, I’d struggle to hold my temper. Cameras or no cameras, if I was in the situation of being surrounded by dickheads, I’d defend myself. I don’t think Aguero should be punished. If it was United, City, Millwall or Accrington Stanley, I’d say the same.

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20 Feb 2018 22:17:17
If he's been spat at that is assault. However if he has then retaliated it is an assault. The cantona incident is relevant in that cantona was provoked and assaulted a fan. Should aguero get a 9 month ban - no but he should get something. To get nothing at all is ridiculous.

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21 Feb 2018 07:53:18
So what he had fans around him he still should not have reacted like that, he’s the professional, he’s the role model. Fans have come onto the pitch before and players have been fine with no reaction. Aguero has form for lashing out at people, fellow players, ban him for 3 games as would happen to anyone else, Evra another example at Marseille, provoked and lashed out, just cz Aguero didn’t connect downstairs mean intent wasn’t there.
PEP aswell showing he can’t take a defeat in grace. I see an argument above saying the best managers don’t, sorry but Jose takes pelters if he isn’t graceful when he loses.

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20 Feb 2018 14:34:36
A random name of ..........

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{Ed002's Note - Wrong page.}

20 Feb 2018 09:12:00
I expect pep will be telling his board that he needs to spend at least 300m in the next transfer window if they want him to be able to make a serious challenge in the fa cup next year. 😄😂.

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20 Feb 2018 08:32:51
Is it just me or is there always some kind of controversy whenever a Pep teams loses? He or his players react badly, toys are thrown from the pram.

For someone who is supposedly a football purist, he certainly doesn't act with good grace or within the spirit of the game when his team loses.

Apparently his chat with the FA and the Referees was not about seeking some kind of advantage for his team but about protecting all football players.

Well that includes those that play for Wigan and instead of getting aggressive and in the face of officials and the opposition manager he should accept that the attempted tackle from his player was reckless, dangerous and could have seriously injured a player if contact had been made.

It seems Pep is a lovely well mannered football enthusiast when his team are winning, yet we see a very different side to him the moment his team loses, the vail slips and we see maybe the real him for just a moment. Maybe there are other reasons he doesn't stick around for more than 3 years at clubs.

The Aguero incident at the end was different from the Evra and Cantona incidents in that with the Frenchmen they went to the fans and attacked them across the barrier, where as last night the fans had crossed the barrier and confronted the player. Still the player has the responsibility to act in a certain manner and resorted to a violent action in the face of a verbal confrontation, thus escalating the incident. As such he should face a ban, but in the circumstances it shouldn't be as long as those of Cantona and Evra. 3-5 games should be around the right mark. Either way neither Aguero or Delph should be playing in the league cup final, which certainly makes that game far more interesting.

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20 Feb 2018 09:02:05
Liverpool fan in peace, just wanted to see what you boys where saying about that game last night, he is a hypocrite. he can`t whinge about protecting his players or all players and then moan when delph does the same style of tackle it wasn't a red but it was an extremely dangerous tackle that could of seriously hurt the Wigan player the one thing I hate is last night the media where defending everything Man city or Pep, oh he is allowed to react like that oh Aguero is in his right to basically punch a fan, oh the City fans are allowed to rip up Wigans stadium because theirs not enough stewards or police absolutely ridiculous.

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20 Feb 2018 09:31:07
100% agree with you kloppers.

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20 Feb 2018 09:57:40
The media love in will have to end at some point, I remember when Mourinho first came to England. During his first stint at Chelsea he was the media darling. It soon wears off.

If City don’t win the league cup or the UCL then how will the media portray they greatest ever side to play football only winning the league title. Effectively the same achievement at Leicester City a couple of seasons ago.

As for the reaction of the Man City fans, I feel they were showing a small club mentality in having a temper tantrum at the final whistle. Yes the Wigan fans goaded them, but any supporter of any traditional big club will tell you that goes with the territory of being a big club. As a United fan that is what we have been met with every time we lose a game to a supposed “smaller” club. Every time for the last 30 years at least. The same for Liverpool fans, and Arsenal fans, and Chelsea fans over the last decade.

It is something they are going to have to get used to as a new member of the “big” club brigade.

I still think it was a red card, it was dangerous and had he caught a planted leg then the Wigan player would have suffered a serious injury. It was reckless, it was out of control, it was high and it was studs up. Therefore it was dangerous and a red card is the right decision.

Pep wanted to get these kind of challenges out of the game for the protection of the players, so he has to accept his players red card with good grace.

Unfortunately it doesn’t sound like the media love in will end anytime soon though, in the car this morning I subjected myself to talk sport, and on there they were defending Aguero saying he has a right to assault a fan if they invade the pitch, and he surely can’t be banned for that.

They said how the FA have to investigate Wigan for allowing their fans onto the pitch, and how a lack of stewards lead to violence and advertising hoarding being ripped up and thrown at police. They way they said it insinuated that it was Wigan fans causing trouble in the stands and not Man City’s. Nothing mentioned about how the FA will have to investigate Man City for failing to control their fans, nothing about Pep being overly aggressive on the side line and in the tunnel.

So it looks like somehow the media will continue to turn a blind eye to Pep, his players and Man City fans wrongdoing in order to continue singing his praises.

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20 Feb 2018 10:01:36
Spot on Shappy. The way Pep behaves when things don't go his way is just ridiculous.

The media absolutely love him and so do the pundits, and for them, he and his team can never do any wrong. Yesterday's tackle was a bad one. Delph was rightly sent off, whether the ref changed his mind because of players or because of assistance is irrelevant. I can bet a million pounds that the way Wigan's players surrounded the ref after the tackle, city's players would have done the same.

City for the crying and the whining are equally bad when it comes to bad tackles. Fernandinho is no bloody saint, he is guilty of a few bad tackles, whenever City lose the ball.

As far as the pitch invasion goes, then yes, that should not happen, but it's criminal for a player of Aguero's stature to hit a fan.

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20 Feb 2018 12:52:16
He's a fraud and a hypocrite. Is he a football purist? Surely getting your players to make snidy fouls the second they lose possession isn't purism.

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20 Feb 2018 13:37:56
Agree with all the above posts about City and Guardiola. He's a top coach but he comes across like an over indulged, spoilt child, even a little bit deranged. He was the same at Barcelona. Moaned about the way his players were treated, the referees and opposing teams if they didn't play the way he wanted. He had Busquets in his team and as gifted as that Barcelona team was, they play acted and harangued the referees more than any team I can think of.
His behaviour last night was appalling, he should be embarrassed. Good on Wigan for putting his nose out. I hope it's a United v Wigan final now.

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20 Feb 2018 13:40:53
Forget about City! Nobody's interested and that's why they don't get the same media scrutiny as the big Clubs.

Despite playing some of the best football the Premier League has ever seen they still consistently fail to fill their small stadium and most of their fans don't really know how to handle their new success. In some regards it's taken away everything they loved about City which was to hate Utd.

If you speak to most of them they still long to be back in Division 3 so they can gloat about their huge following, loyal support, tall flood lights and their mint kits! They wore their mediocrity on their sleeve like a badge of honour. If Carlsberg did football fans hey.

In the future they may continue to grow their commercial business with their god like manger reinventing football. He might stimulate a new generation of fans and they may fully establish themselves as one of Europe's elite but it won't be the same City we all used to love to hate.

That Club died when they sold their soul to the Arab gold and became a caricature of everything they once despised.

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20 Feb 2018 13:57:05
The press are building Pep up as they do with most and then the fall makes bigger headlines for them.

That tackle was a straight red every day and if it had been against a city player Pep would have wanted further meetings with the FA

The question for me is that given all the furura from Pep about tackles against City did it affect the referees initial feeling about the tackle? . Was there even an inkling in the refs head that it’s City players that need protection not the other way round? Hence why he drew the yellow out of his pocket before the red?

The scenes at half time were a disgrace and if Jose did that you can’t see anything other than a long ban, the FA, we are watching with interest to see what you do.

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20 Feb 2018 14:00:57
I did like their kits, tho.

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20 Feb 2018 22:40:21
I honestly think that some press are directly paid by City’s owners to do PR for them.

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20 Feb 2018 22:48:13
Pep is just a phoney 😆😆.

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20 Feb 2018 07:38:49
Will referee taylor be suspended for ignoring the rules and not sending pep off. He should be banned too.

On aguero. It was not the same as cantonna in any way.
I don't excuse him and a ban will come his way but it was nowhere near the same type of offence as cantonna.

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20 Feb 2018 07:44:40
Will a ban come his way? I don’t think it should he did nothing wrong for me.

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20 Feb 2018 08:23:01
Stand,

He hit out at a fan, how can you think he did nothing wrong?

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20 Feb 2018 08:47:04
Letter of the law says he did something wrong because apparently there is no circumstance where a player can confront a fan for his or her actions.

He's just a man . Fan gets in personal space of the guy and he pushed him away, aggressively.

I'm sure aguero will get some sort of fine because he will get 'should act in an appropriate manner' line but for me, wigan should be receiving a hefty fine due to fans coming onto the pitch.

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20 Feb 2018 09:16:15
Aguero should be banned, nowhere near cantona incident. But he had no business chasing after that idiot after the initial confrontation.

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20 Feb 2018 09:57:52
Self-defence. He feared immediate violence will be the defence, and rightly so. If I was confronted like that by some neanderthal, I'd be looking to protect myself, by getting my action in first. Totally defendable in my opinion.

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20 Feb 2018 10:01:49
If you have a disagreement with someone in the street and you respond by lashing out at them regardless of what they said it is you if have broken the law.

You can defend yourself with reasonable force, punching someone because they said something you didn't like isn't reasonable force, its excessive force.

Why should the law of the land not apply on a football pitch?

Aguero attempted to punch a fan, therefore regardless of the circumstances he should be punished in some way.

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20 Feb 2018 10:17:49
Nou,

Even if there is an argument for hitting the fan to get him away when he was feeling confronted, there is no justification for then chasing after him to attack him again, the guy was walking away at this point, are we meant to believe Aguero was still scared for his life from a teenager walking away from him?

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20 Feb 2018 10:34:24
Nou, in what weird World can Aguero chasing a guy be construed as self defence? Do people in England run after people and try and beat them up as self defence?

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20 Feb 2018 10:48:47
The guy swung for Aguero. If the idiot fan doesn’t firstly enter the pitch, and secondly confront the player, the incident doesn’t occur. Nothing wrong with his reaction.

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20 Feb 2018 10:52:55
Actually, Shappy, in criminal law, if you fear immediate violence from someone, you are allowed to strike first. If you can prove that the other person was ready to strike, ie. clenched fist, movement into your space etc, then you are allowed. That 'fan' was all over Aguero, when he shook him off. Entitled to defend himself.

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20 Feb 2018 10:53:25
CSM, you're only watching the aftermath. Watch it from the start.

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20 Feb 2018 11:00:46
GDS, no. Once he takes the initial act, and the male (teenager, so what? ) walks away, then the threat is over, and he shouldn't have carried on. At that point, it's just pure temper. But there is a crowd around him, and adrenaline was probably pumping. Easy to comment from the outside.

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20 Feb 2018 11:18:04
I liked it .
I hate all the pampered stuff around footballers it's nice to see there human every so often .

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20 Feb 2018 11:25:11
You liked aguero hitting a fan and then going back for a 2nd attempt. Says it all really. Classless.

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20 Feb 2018 11:25:48
Shappy. if somebody walked up to a player on the street or anybody on the street for that matter, you walk away unless you feel threatened and have to defend themselves.

But if somebody came into my place of work or my home and came up to me aggressively and I feared for myself and safety, they wouldn't be long knowing about reasonable force.

How do you know what the fan said or attempted to do? When do you say it's okay to use force?

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20 Feb 2018 11:35:10
Plus, I've watched the footage over and over again. The initial contact, when the fan is right on him, looks more like a shrug away. Then when he chases him, it looks like he was thinking of throwing a punch. I really couldn't be sure that an actual punch was thrown. Maybe I'm watching the wrong clip.

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20 Feb 2018 12:10:42
Ken
Yer to be honest, better than rolling around on the floor pretending they have been hit by a baseball bat .
Or hiding behind a keyboard throwing insults .
The fan was out of order imo.

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20 Feb 2018 12:52:00
Its a criminal act . What picture does it portray to a young kid playing in school.

These guys get paid millions and not playing for free so they should have the right mentality to curb their anger and handle all situations.

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20 Feb 2018 12:56:43
Nou if the incident ended at the initial confrontation i would agree, even if aguero knocked the guy out he wouldn't have been faulted as the idiot did go looking for a fight and provoking it. But once aguero decides to go street fighter chasing the guy and trying to get his hands on him he loses that bit of earlier benefit, do the exact thing on street and aguero will charged for assault, as shappy said rules don't change just because you are on a football pitch.

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20 Feb 2018 12:56:58
Should be a 6 game ban. No if ands or buts or any legal semantics.

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20 Feb 2018 13:08:27
CSM, no he wouldn't be charged for assault, mate. I've spent over 15 years on the frontline of the criminal justice system, and believe me, if I showed that footage to the PPS, it would get sent straight back to me, with a No Prosecution decision. I personally, still can't see Aguero actually throwing a punch. If I saw that on the street on a Saturday night, he would have been dragged away, told to calm down and clear off. He certainly wouldn't be getting a criminal record for walking after someone who clearly provoked him.

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20 Feb 2018 13:13:34
Correct mort.
Jred its that sort of mentality that is unacceptable in today's society.
The fan was in the wrong but so was aguero and he should be punished accordingly. You can't take the law into your item hands.
The fans should be banned also.

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20 Feb 2018 13:22:39
You can't clap with one hand you need two hands to clap so Aguero and the fan are both at fault and should be punished.

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20 Feb 2018 13:28:50
Ken
It's all you politically correct brigade that drive me mad .
What did aguero actually do? How many times did he punch him, is the fan seriously injured?
Need to man up.

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20 Feb 2018 13:58:05
jred,

Was the guy Cantona kicked seriously injured? Different situation but how cna it only be judged on if somebody is injured, surely needs punishing before it gets to that point.

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20 Feb 2018 14:09:51
Jred just as a matter of interest what do you think of the west brom players taxi incident.

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20 Feb 2018 14:10:47
Gds
He probably will get punished but is what aguero did that big a deal .
Delph tackle was worse .
A fan has come on the pitch fronted up to aguero, no idea what he said or done .
Big deal, aguero will prob get a ban people will be mortified that he acted like a animal etc etc .

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20 Feb 2018 14:27:25
Nobody knows what happened in the taxi incident, other than those involved.

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20 Feb 2018 14:27:59
Nou just let's agree to disagree.

Jred delph was within the laws of football, tackling the wigan player isn't illegal, he badly mistimes it and should be given a 3 match ban for it, but what aguero did was a bit more serious. You can't go around trying to beat up fans because they act like jerks, in terms of FA law i would say it will count as bringing disrepute to the game. The idiot should be banned from ever going to football games but aguero needs to be punished too.

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20 Feb 2018 14:33:23
No bother, CSM. He will get a ban, but fortunately for City, Jesus seems to be returning just in flippin' time.

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20 Feb 2018 14:36:38
Let’s all wait until someone is stabbed on the pitch, then we'll sit here and say, "oh he's a professional he cannot act like that". Absolute bull imo. Somebody climbs the advertising boards and runs 50 yards to confront a player who has no idea what this guy is prepared to do, and the player can't react. Everything that's wrong with modern football, full of fairies. The only criminal thing here is if Aguero misses a cup final because of some helmet from the crowd.

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20 Feb 2018 14:48:41
But he was just a kid, Stand. And kids don't carry knives or want to start fights.

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20 Feb 2018 15:30:29
Nou, do you not think Aguero acting like that on a football pitch in front of the cameras being broadcast to millions of young impressionable children might have an effect on you working on the front line at some point in the future?

Kids copy what they see on TV, what they see their hero's doing. The player, the clubs and the FA have a responsibility to show that it's not acceptable behaviour.

I'm not saying the fan is in the right, anyone can see that he was some kind of an idiot. But that doesn't justify Aguero's reaction.

Wigan should be fined for the pitch Invasion.

Man City should be made to pay for the damage their fans caused.

Pep should be told his behaviour is unacceptable and maybe even have a touchline ban. Or a suspended ban until the end of the season.

Aguero should have a 3-5 game ban for lashing out at a fan then chasing after him to continue to confrontation.

Maybe the reactions of both the Wigan and Man City fans are a result of how they watched their players and managers behave during the game.

All those paid to act in the correct manner should be brought to account for the way their poor behaviour helped to create an ugly situation which is damaging to the sport that pays them so well.

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20 Feb 2018 16:11:16
Shouldnt the security guards make sure no sharp objects are taken into the ground.

What is the point of having security in a huge match like that if you fear for players security.

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20 Feb 2018 16:15:08
Top post that Shappy, these players arr role models to a lot of young kids and i wouldn't really want my kids watching that sort of crap in a football match especially from a player of that level.

We don't live in 1990s or 1980s, these guys get paid a lot of money so for them act in that manner is totally unacceptable.

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20 Feb 2018 16:22:42
Snappy, I've never held to the belief that young, working-class sportsmen, sometimes with limited education, should be held up as some sort of paradigms of virtue, just because they can kick a ball. I look to others in society to do that job.

I also don't expect them to be robots in the face of aggression and provocation from a group of yobs. I defy any of us put in that position, to say they would have just straightened their tie and ignored some oil shouting in our face and putting their hands on us. And I don't expect footballers to act any different in the heat of the moment, just because they're on tv and earn a few Bob.

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20 Feb 2018 17:14:45
In my opinion the following should happen: pep should receive a ban for his aggressive behaviour, Delph should receive a ban for a correctly given red card, Wigan should receive a fine for their fans invasion and their behaviour, the fan who confronted aguero should be banned for life, aguero should receive a ban for his reaction but not a massive one like some people think and finally man city should receive a fine for the behaviour of their fans.

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20 Feb 2018 17:45:55
red79, good post, mate.

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20 Feb 2018 17:51:51
But noucamp only 1 player was fighting. Its no wonder society is in such poor shape. If you condone his actions its a sad look out i bet you sing a diffetent tune in court regularly when the agenda suits you.

We do know that the players took and drove a taxi drunk and without permission by their own admission. But perhaps that's only a bit of high jinx and banter and sure you could turn a blind eye to that too as your man jonny was involved😀 maybe if they had hit and hurt someone we could just put it down to being the taxi drivers fault because he was too long in mcdonalds.

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20 Feb 2018 18:04:49
Agree nou good post 79. No drama but all the above should be done as you set it out.

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20 Feb 2018 18:13:18
I'm firmly with you here ken I thought it was a disgrace I'd also like to add to fan should be punished to the full letter of the law it was unacceptable on both counts.

How long is it going to be before we condone a player jumping into the crowd to give a cheeky sod a slap for saying his mom's got hairy knockers? It's ridiculous I'm sorry the excuses being made for aguero I just can not understand

Also as a finely tuned athlete does aguero not have a clear advantage against the average Joe?

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20 Feb 2018 18:27:24
Typical hyperbole, Ken.

Where did I say I condoned it? Just because I understand that some guy out of some shanty town in the arse end of nowhere, might not react with good old British stiff upper lip in the face of aggressive provocation, does not mean what he did was right. Understandable, but not right.

I said above he should get a short ban. Just because I don't want to be part of the hang 'em high posse, doesn't mean I condone his behaviour. And as for my job, snide remarks about what I might or not might do, don't become you. Like I said, the PPS would take one look at that footage and laugh it out before it even saw a courtroom.

I have argued the point on here that it was not a criminal offence, like some armchair lawyers have said, and I stand by that.

And I'm not going to fall out with anyone over a City player, so over and out.

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20 Feb 2018 18:32:47
Nou, it's not about who you precieve as role models it is about who society precieves as a role model.

I agree with you footballers shouldn't in my opinion be role models, but they are.

And children have yet the life experience or the capacity to truly appreciate who they should and shouldn't look up to. It's down to us as adults in society to show them, we can't do that if we condone Aguero's actions even if we do sympathise with him to an extent. Otherwise the message we send out to young children is that it is okay to be aggressive, to hit out at someone and to chase after them.

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20 Feb 2018 18:42:30
There not snide remarks stephen. You said you would do same yourself and that it was totally defendable. Coming from a police officer i think that's odd. ' some guy from a shanty town in the arse hole of nowhere' what do you know about where he comes from unbelievable comment.
Even coming from the occupied territory you police that is a pretty extreme point of view.

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20 Feb 2018 19:18:11
What exactly did he do, Ken? Nothing criminal certainly, so why can't i say i would have reacted the same way? Just being honest. Wouldn't let anyone come up to me like that. Would you? Your last comment, if not being funny, is best left alone for another place.

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20 Feb 2018 19:38:01
Don't know a great deal about the taxi incident .
On aguero if some one verbally abuses you and spits in your face i don't think he over reacted at all .
But there will be people in a far better position than me and you with all the facts who will be the judge of that .

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20 Feb 2018 06:58:29
So onwards to Seville match. I really hope we don't go there for a nil nil because scoring aeay goals is so important.
If Mourinho decides to continue playing two in midfield, then I can see us conceding at least two goals.
However, if he can remove the blinkers and put matic hwrerra and pogba together with Sanchez lukaku and martial or mata, then I can see us scoring two.
Seville are a good side and especially at home. But they've not had a great season. If we pack the midfield and get an early goal, then their fragile confidence will disappear. If we sit back and let them come onto us, then this tie could be over before they to OT.

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20 Feb 2018 08:25:04
Extremely confident the tie won’t be over before they come to OT, especially not the opposite way. A draw would be fine, a win would be excellent, Jose knows how to play knockout football and win European trophies, I have no worries at all that he will get it right tomorrow.

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20 Feb 2018 10:16:21
AAA, I'm not sure what to make of this post. On one hand you say Sevilla aren't playing great and their confidence in fragile, then you go on to say you expect them to smash us unless we play 433.


Those statements kind of contradict each other. We aren’t playing amazingly well atm, but we aren’t playing really poorly either. Mourinho is the master of knockout competitions, his pragmatic style is far more suited to cup competitions than league competitions in my opinion. His 17 cup wins to 8 league titles in his 17 year managerial career is a testament to that in my opinion.


I expect a tight game away to Sevilla, 1-0, 0-1, 1-1, 2-1, 1-2 or 2-2. Mourinho will not want to lose this tie in the first game, this is a tie we should be expected to get through. If we go 2-0 up at any point expect the bus to be parked. That might come back to bite us, or we might hold on. We actually have a good defensive record this year. If we can score two goals away then baring a massive collapse at Old Trafford which is unlikely we should be through as for any team to come to Old Trafford and score three or more goals is a tough ask.

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Review Of The Day 20th February 2018

20 Feb 2018 05:15:08
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th February 2018

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20 Feb 2018 08:14:05
Great read ed and a fabulous point about city's carefully selected image we got to see the real city yesterday manager, players and fans the paragons of all thing beautiful within the sport are not so squeaky clean after all.

It almost felt like genuine distain a case of "how dare you beat us Wigan do you know who we are".

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{Ed001's Note - that was exactly how it felt. As well as Pep's hypocrisy over nasty tackles being fully exposed, but of course the media will still verbally masturbate over him and denigrate Wigan for having the gall to beat them.}

20 Feb 2018 09:08:03
Indeed ed it's already an almost unanimous "it wasn't a red card" Neil custis this morning saying that pep had the right to be furious because the wigan manager was asking the 4th official for a red card!? Of course he was it was a red card offense!

And I'm sorry I've also seen a lot of support for aguero actions and I'm not having it he struck another person whether provoked or not it's still the same kind of offence that would see you or I in trouble with the law.

I thoroughly enjoyed watching the mask slip a little and I'm just sad the chasing pack in the league are so far away because I honestly think they would implode under some real pressure.

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{Ed001's Note - I really cannot understand how anyone can defend Pep or Aguero. They both reacted badly and both deserve to be punished.}

20 Feb 2018 12:27:56
Ed,

And surely will be despite certain people seemingly thinking it’s ok to go after a kid. Would set a dangerous precedent if there was no punishment here.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know Pep seems to be untouchable, despite many other managers being punished for the kind of comments he makes on a daily basis. He can openly wear a political statement on his lapel, expressly forbidden by UEFA and the FA, but gets no punishment. It is a different world for him.}

20 Feb 2018 12:50:01
GDS, have you ever been caught in the middle of a bunch of pissed-up 'kids' on a weekend night? I'm sure the guy is just a misunderstood, little angel. I love this country. 'Kids' run riot all over the country, causing mayhem, and everyone is up in arms, saying police/ authorities etc are too soft on them. Someone actually steps up and lays a hand on one of these 'kids', and they scream blue murder about child abuse.

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20 Feb 2018 18:17:10
I have been in that position Stevie and it was horrible, I do not condone the actions of the "fan" in any way shape or form but I also condemn aguero for his actions .

If in a under 10 game one of the players verbally abused another whilst behaving quite aggressively would you condone the victim of that abuse hitting the other child?

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20 Feb 2018 04:25:05
There goes the quadruple and the invincibility.

We need to try and win the FA cup. But if I was Pochetino I would take the FA cup even more seriously now.

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