Manchester United Banter Archive February 20 2020

 

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20 Feb 2020 20:10:54
Pereira, Lindelof, Dalot and Lingard. I am just interested to see everyone else's option on them, their performance tonight and their future moving forward.

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20 Feb 2020 20:53:09
Keep Lindelof and Sell the rest. Also Williams was appalling tonight, still learning he’ll improve. I don’t understand why knowing they had pace upfront we didn’t start bailly. And why it took so long to bring Bruno on. Poor from ole.

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20 Feb 2020 20:56:47
I don't even know what to make of that tonight.

Squad rotation is important but with a stuttering team sorely lacking any kind of rhythm or consistency were so many changes really needed? Despite a good win at Chelsea this competition probably still represents our best chance of playing Champions League football next season yet this was a performance and selection that screamed inconvenience sandwiched in between two premier league games.

The 5-1-3-1 formation or whatever it was simply didn't work and to be honest I'm still trying to work out where Lingard, Pereira and Mata were supposed to be playing. If somebody eventually figures it out can you please let them know because it looked like they didn't have a clue either. That wasn't a team that took to the field tonight rather a collection of individuals wearing a Utd shirt trying to play football.

How can this team improve or find any kind of rhythm or level of consistency when the tactics change for every game. In our last three games against Wolves, Chelsea and Brugge Ole has utilised three different systems.

We still have no identify, no discernible patterns of play and tonight we were even devoid of the pace to play on the counter; about the only thing we're remotely good at.

A 1-1 draw isn't the end of the world but the performance was disjointed, slow, ponderous and lacking quality. It resembled nothing of what I expect from even a remotely competent Utd team.

I have no confidence we'll beat Watford on Sunday and as usual we're always one game away from another crisis.

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20 Feb 2020 20:59:59
Pereira awful as is lingard, both need sold. Lindelof I would keep but on current form he'd only be a backup CB, dalot I'd also keep he's young and can play in various formations.

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20 Feb 2020 21:54:37
We've been saying all season that lingard and Pereira are awful, the manager must see that, yet, they keep getting picked. Is Gomes that bad that ha can't start ahead of these two?

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20 Feb 2020 23:07:08
Dlib, we are unbeaten in the last five matches. I know most have been uninspiring performances but try to find a positive if you can. You'll do yourself an injury with all this negativity.

Chin up.

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20 Feb 2020 23:11:04
We didn’t start Baily as he has just come back from a long term injury. We also have 7 games in 21 days.

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20 Feb 2020 23:16:23
The formation we're playing with the current group of players is a disaster. We play with 3 centre backs, 2 "wing backs" who aren't particularly good going forward and 2 holding midfield players who don't have a forward pass between them. Counting the GK that's 8 players out of 11 who won't contribute in an attacking sense. That leaves only 3 others, potentially our only creative player Bruno Fernandes behind 2 players who aren't out and out centre forwards. It's painful to watch.

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20 Feb 2020 23:29:12
we did not start baily because he is carrying a knock so why take him.

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20 Feb 2020 23:51:04
Is Shaw only allowed pass back to Maguire?

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21 Feb 2020 00:14:05
he was blaming the players for not suppling martial. who picks the team. that and the ball was to light. honestly you can not make this stuff up. the more he speaks the worse he gets.

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21 Feb 2020 04:26:28
Some of the squad players had a chance to impress but didn't take it.
It was a hard watch on the eye.

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21 Feb 2020 06:46:34
Dazw

Yes, I don’t know what everyone is complaining about, the manager said the ball was the problem. Perhaps it wasn’t round, next it will be the lines on the grass are too thin, the referees whistle was too loud and put players off, the person talking on their phone in the stands distracted them. Here is an idea, why don’t we all list a potential excuse that our manager might think of next?

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21 Feb 2020 07:18:13
Red Man, the manager is absolutely correct. Some of our players lack so much focus and concentration that they cannot see the ball anymore. Further the rain didn't help either with their vision.

I do not know what Ole is trying to achieve with those excuses but it is childish.

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21 Feb 2020 09:56:11
Pereira, Lindelof, Dalot and Lingard. -pereira needs to be moved on in the summer and lingards has had years of encouragement to up his game but is simply at the end of the line;he just isn't good enough. Dalot hasn't had much game time and he, atm is one of the few able to cross a ball. Finally lindlehof, who many seem to think has regressed but imo he has been shown to be poorer since the arrival of maguire. Maguire the 80m saviour who is slow, has poor positional sense and gets caught out more regularly so that lindlehof or whoever has to come across to cover more and more.
Last nite was never going to be as easy as some thought as they were up for it and had some good players on show . williams had an off game but in his defense the kid is exactly that, a young lad with not many games under his belt learning systems and about more senior players. We do it so regular, a lad has a good run and he is lauded as the best thing ever depay, haarland etc etc?

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21 Feb 2020 10:05:18
Martial gets his fair share of stick and it's deserved at times, but when you look at the absolute dross around him last night you'd have to feel a bit sorry for him . Any forward would struggle in a team like that.

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21 Feb 2020 10:16:25
That was like a park game. wildly kicking the ball, usually to an opponent, no ideas, no structure. The worst performance I've ever seen from a United team. You can blame the players to an extent, but the manager is responsible for the system we play. Love Ole, as most of us do, but I still think we should grab Poch while we can. The football Spurs played was great to watch and if Levi had let him spend some money i'm sure he would have grab a trophy or two. Sorry Ole but you are out of your depth.

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21 Feb 2020 13:09:21
I thought it was a strange formation. I understand the need to keep it tight away from home in Europe, but it was really restrictive when we won the ball. Wing backs very deep, 3 attack minded CMs all on the safe side of their markers. No obvious dynamism to turn mindless CB possession into something like an attack.

I partly blame the coaches for setting up this way, but I think of greater issue is the squad balance.

Also on Brandon Williams, it wasn't his best game but he wasn't bad. He kept the ball too long at times, however with Mata, Pereira and Lingard on the pitch, you would think there would be multiple options every time he gets the ball.

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21 Feb 2020 17:53:09
Good squad players with one or two having the potential to become first teamers (Lindelof, Dalot) . I expect Lingard to leave in the summer, which I think will give Andreas Pereira a stay of execution. As we don't have the depth in the middle to lose both of them.

Lindelof was a contender for player of the year last year and many said he should have beaten Shaw to the award. So there is a player in there somewhere, he has his weaknesses as all players do. Yet, with the right coaching and in the right set up I think he has enough quality to be first choice.

Dalot has quality, but he is young and inconsistent. He has also struggled with injuries and as such has struggled to be on the pitch often enough to kick on. He is one of the quickest players in our squad (which when you consider we have players like Rashford and James in our squad highlights he is rapid) . While he is also the best crosser of the ball we have. That's two traits that could make him a good option for the right hand side. He just needs to be able to get on the pitch to play, grow and develop himself.

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20 Feb 2020 20:05:24
Lingard and pereira awful again. Surely have to be first out the door come July, the difference in quality to Bruno is huge. Problem will be finding takers who can page their wages. Not a brilliant result tonight but not bad and the away goal vital.

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See You Next Thursday

20 Feb 2020 15:54:43
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new podcast entitled, See You Next Thursday

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20 Feb 2020 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th February 2020

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20 Feb 2020 06:05:32
still disappointed that we missed out on haaland. He would been the perfect player to play in the middle of a front three with the players we have.

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20 Feb 2020 07:03:59
He's world class.
But do we really want another raiola client?

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20 Feb 2020 07:06:09
Seems like a monsterous player.
Very tall yet has devastating pace and good first touch.

Most importantly, he is ambitious and wants to score all the time.

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20 Feb 2020 08:15:38
He would have cost a lot more than what Dortmund paid for him.

ED002 mentioned around circa £80 million. For a player who is young and relatively inexperienced, it was a big ask for him to go to the EPL.

Also, you would to raise the question, would he develop the right way here?

Look at Dortmund, they are very good at developing players.

Hopefully we can get back to a high level of football and attract not just the top names but the right names to play for the club.

That aside he does look fantastic.

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20 Feb 2020 09:11:07
I think Solskjaer is still keeping an eye on him and congratulating him whenever he scores, so you never know what happens.

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20 Feb 2020 09:23:46
Can someone care to elaborate why Haaland would have cost us 80mil? Sorry of i missed any post regarding that earlier.

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20 Feb 2020 09:28:18
Becks that's probably just his agents cut, the super agent.

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20 Feb 2020 10:24:50
Haaland has a clause in his contact that allowed him to join a German club for a set amount. That is why Leipzig and Dortmund were the two teams that seemed most likely to get him. For any side outside of Germany the fee Salzburg were looking for was around 80m. So as we aren't a German club it would cost us 80m, while for Dortmund it was around 20m.

As well as Haaland is playing it would be hard to currently justify spending 80m on him. In a couple of years the idea of paying 80m might look like a good deal. Or he could just be in a purple patch, struggle in his second season in Germany and 80m would then seem like a gamble.

Personally I think he will be a very good player. That said we need to stop these posts every time he scores. We missed out on Bruno in the summer, yet we didn't see these posts every time he scored or played well.

The fact that we in theory could sign Werner for around the 50-60m mark in the summer highlights how over priced Haaland was in January.

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20 Feb 2020 12:16:34
You can't tell posters not to post about Haaland Just because you don't think he is good enough or you thought he was quite similar to our players.

Especially when i see you post repeated things on here.

Haaland is going to be special and knows how to score goals.

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20 Feb 2020 13:04:13
Singh, I'm not saying either. I clearly say I think Haaland will be a very good player, while I made no reference to our players.

My point was that considering Haaland is 19 years old and if he keeps going as he is could score between 300-400 career goals it's going to get boring really quickly if someone comes on here every time he does for the next 10-12 years.

He was a player we had an interest in, either Haaland decided he didn't want to join us, or our club decided they didn't want to spend what it would have cost to sign him. Either way the result is the same, we were interested and he didn't sign.

He is now Dortmunds player and we should probably stop staring at him all doey eyed like a love sick school girl.

How exactly does it affect our club how many goals he scores or for who? We are linked with 100's of players every year, of which we probably have a serious interests in 20-30 of them, of which we might sign 3 or 4 of them.

We could probably fill a hour long program every week of highlights from players we held an interest in but didn't sign.

We held an interest in Mbappe before he signed for PSG, in Neymar before he joined Barcelona, in Suarez before he joined Liverpool, in Lewandowski before he joined Bayern.

Haaland's a clear talent who will likely go on to have a good career, but that won't be the end of Manchester United. In fact, I strongly suspect Manchester United will be around long after Haaland has retired, and I suspect Manchester United will win more than Haaland does as well.

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20 Feb 2020 14:56:55
Salzburg were asking for €80m, but given the choose of selling to Dortmund for the €20m clause or selling to another club for $20,000,0001, they’d be idiots for not taking the larger chances offer. We could have picked up for significantly less than the €80m they were asking for.

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20 Feb 2020 16:01:54
Could we redseven? A lot of sides were interested in him, Real and Barcelona, PSG, Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, Spurs and ourselves. Plus a few others outside of Germany.

Dortmund paid his release clause to Salzburg, a big fee to his agent and advisor (Mino Raiola) and a handsome signing on fee to Haaland himself. In the end it was closer to €60m than just the €20m release clause.

So if it cost the team €60 using the release clause it would have cost us significantly more even if we could have talked Salzburg down from their €80 asking price.

Either way it's pointless going over it. We didn't sign him, we will never know the exact details. Not really much point playing the love sick puppy.

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20 Feb 2020 16:24:43
Shappy, he's not going to be a good player, possibly, he is already a very good player. In 2years time, he'll be a very special player. And his value will not be £80m, it will be £150m.

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20 Feb 2020 20:24:42
AAA, what difference does it make, the kid didn't wan to join us.

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20 Feb 2020 21:59:43
They had an agreement on 13th of December, and something went wrong. Since then, the player has come out and said he felt needed at Dortmund. It's a cockup of monumental proportions. These type of players only come once every 8-10 years. We had a verbal agreement but we couldn't close the deal. Idiots and amateurs in charge as Ed has told us many times before.

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