Manchester United Banter Archive July 20 2013

20 Jul 2013 23:41:34
United are looking to bring the words 'Football Club' back to the club badge.

Personally, would love to see this happen.

About time! Great news if it happens.

Good point can't remember when they changed it although it was 1998 and now its a PR exercise

Could not agree more I hope we keep the badge pretty much identical though but have Manchester United at the top and Football club at the bottom.

They changed it because we had a basketball team associated with the club and other sports were at the time being linked with "the brand name" and it would take away their identity. The changing of the club badge by the club to take away these words was at the time and still is an utter disgrace.
Of all the bulls#it transfer news and the disappointment of not addressing our sub standard midfield problem the reinstatement of the words "Football Club" to our badge is fantastic news and has not be given the recognition it fully deserves.

Red Snapper

20 Jul 2013 16:44:42
From the Barca page (might as well just resign ourselves to getting Fellaini and not a proper skillful playmaker):
Ed is a Fabregas transfer unlikely due to the player wanting to stay or due to Barca not wanting to sell (or both)? I don't understand why united would go so public with their bid. {Ed001's Note - both. No idea why United have gone public. I would guess, and it is just a guess, that Fellaini isn't seen as a big enough buy so they have gone publicly after Fabregas just to give the appearance of at least trying for big names. Just to give Moyes time to show he can get results with the players he chooses to bring in and get the fans behind him. Right now, he is not going to be the scapegoat if a deal falls through, he will get sympathy from the fans and that will help him find his feet and settle in. }

Dan

I think the Eds have shown numerous occasions that they are more in the know than any of us ever was or will. Even though they may not always be right, what ed001 just said is really worrying. That means Moyes was brought to work on a budget not because he is the best one to push the team forward.

But in that case I don't think Fergie would stick around. If he knew the owners were weighing us down, he would leave after retiring in order not to see his legacy crumble right under his nose.

In any case, it will be interesting to see the devellopment of events in the next couple of weeks.

Mick

21 Jul 2013 00:48:17
Moyes will be a steady hand and you will no doubt qualify for Champions League football for the next season ot two but most silverware will be going elsewhere.

Man Citeh and Chelski will fight out the title in the coming season.

The quality in your side has been going down for the last few seasons. Other sides are beginning to re-group and without Fergie other sides now smell blood.

Its a bit like being on the down escalator. Before you know it you will be at a different level.

Tommy Gun

20 Jul 2013 20:15:12
Opinions folks;

If you could have signed one player in their prime for United from the past 15-20 years, who would it be and why?

Mine would be Steven Gerrard. For me he is the best central midfielder (other than Scholesy) to have played in the Premier League. He can pass long and short, he scores goals from distance or from in the box, he is a great tackler and loves getting stuck in and he's a winner and a leader. He has everything. Would have loved us to get him at around about 2004 or 2005 as I reckon he would have been the driving force behind even more success for us had he been here when we were going toe to toe with Chelsea.

GRD

Rivaldo, or Batistuta.

Jaxer

Zidane

stuart

Alan Shearer for me. I reckon we would of won a lot more with him in the team, one of the greatest strikers ever in my opinion

Kaka in his prime and Messi.

Brazilian Ronaldo, he was immense.

Brendan81

Got to be Zidane, right?

''Give me Zidane and ten pieces of wood and I'll win the Champions League. ''

Zidane or if you give me another 10 years to play with then def Socrates

Henry in his prime. That guy was unplayable!

Red Pea

All great shouts!

GRD

Batistuta has to be, but tbh we signed the one player I really wanted and that was Ruud

Zidane would be my first choice obviously ( no french person would say otherwise ), and a tie between El Phenomeno anf Totti.

Mick

Think i'd have to choose from these (in no particular order):

Oliver Bierhoff
Alessandro Del Pierro
Claude Makelele
Pavel Nedved
Zidane
Lothar Matthaus
and maybe even Gheorghe Hagi

Hard choice because of so many options! Zidane, Messi, Brazil Ronaldo, Batistuta, Kaka, Maldini, Cafu, Henry, Raul, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos there's so many! I would personally go for Zidane.

Messi because in 08 would of been unreal to see him Ronaldo thin Rooney in the team and back then the best defence and gk in the world . well best team in the world

For me Zidane, he was such a special player. With him, Ruud would have a field day every match. Other than probably Ronaldo, Henry, or Kaka.

Ronaldo de Lima (brazil),

superRed

Iniesta, rivaldo, ronaldinho or zidane

Zidane probably. Messi, Henry maybe.

Roy keane.

For me it has to be Shearer. Surprised only 1 person has put this above. Yes there are many bigger stars. Zidane is my favourite player ever but I think with Shearer we would have won more European cups because he would have scored so many goals with the service from our midfield

MJS

20 Jul 2013 18:46:58
Tbh, I'd be happy with Baines, a top class midfielder, and promotion of some of the youngsters as long as they are given game time. Let's trust some of our youngsters to step up. Hopefully, this is something Moyes will do.

AJH - I would be happy with a summer of Baines, Fabregas and Cabaye with Januzaj, Powell and Zaha used as first teamers.

I would be happy with one top class midfielder and keep the rest of the squad as it is for now including Rooney who I think will not leave. we have yet to see the best of Kagawa so he will be like a new signing when he comes into his own and another top class midfielder ala Fabregas will be perfect and transform the way we play and we will have anderson, cleverly, jones, giggs and hopefully fletcher for cover and rotating the players. Over the next few months Moyes can also give chances to the young guns in midfield and slowly build up the depth in midfield even more.

A LB, two midfielders, one creative, one brutal and use Zaha, Powell & Januzaj. I think that may be what Moyes wants too if reports are to be believed. Baines, Cesc/Modric & Fellaini. let's wait and see, but I am all for spending cash on the neglected areas and then using youth for the rest.

Sydney!

20 Jul 2013 20:02:25
Anyone but cabaye guys so over rated.

George I really don't rate Cabaye, he's a good player but not united standard for me. I also think our kids such as adnan and Jesse should be given a chance but they in my opinion are not ready to step up to the plate just yet! I really feel. , if we want to achieve something in Europe, which if we're honestis one thing the great SAF never really excelled with just 2 (both fairly lucky) CL titles in 26 years, then we need to have a big summer in the market.
I don't feel we should be spending on the likes of Garay for another season at least with 5 very good CB's

I would like to see

Baines
Fabregas
Another CM who's looking likely to be Fellaini (not my preferred choice )
Lewandowski (I know he's buyern bound but maybe worth a proper go at getting him)

Alex Fergusons Condom

Ajh I think we are a dieing breed mate! We cherish our foundations and wot united were built apon. I would love us to go out and buy messi, ronaldo and co but nothing will ever give me more satisfaction than seeing a youth player make it ala scholes.

2 decent midfielders and I would be happy, garay is a good investment if it happens, rio and vidic will be gone next season leaving evans, jones and smalling. we had a lot of injuries to centre backs last year the most worrying being smalling who is injured again hope its something he shakes off because he missed a lot of game time last season.

Chris the Redman. Your hoping we don't sign Fabregas then are you? Your happy to come. 3rd or 4th in the league Every year just to say oh well at least they're players from our academy! Get real, I'f we want to compete with the other big clubs, we have to spend aswell as bring in the kids! Winning throats is great for fans, but the financial rewards ate what the clubs need most! We don't go blow £100m a season like city, Chelsea, PSG etc but we have to spend to stay at the top!

Alex Fergusons Condom

Condom, and where in my post does it say that? Infact I was meerly pointing out I get so much more satisfaction in bringing through a youth player than spending 30m on a player, but if there not there we have to buy them!
Come in man read my posts before getting all arsey eothu me ;-)

20 Jul 2013 17:14:27
Why haven't we sold any players yet?

Best question I've seen on here. not. don't you think we should get a couple signed first why weaken the squad when it needs strengthening?

Great idea, let's do a Liverpool and get rid of our players before we've got better replacements, and end up mid table.
Flyhalfmitch.

I'm fine unloading any of our veteran wingers, especially Ashley Young and his salary.

20 Jul 2013 15:42:47
Looks like we are pretty serious about cesc then

20 Jul 2013 15:28:59
We have upped our bid to 30 plus add ons for Fab, why would we be so persistent unless there was a chance of him coming. Barca have financial issues and Fab is saying the right things about Arsenal to not piss off the fan base. I think we have a real chance.

To appear like they're making an attempt perhaps. I appreciate that transfers can be messy and complicated, but I've learned with United never to assume a transfer is happening until you see the player holding the damn scarf in an empty OT.

20 Jul 2013 15:15:20
I really hope that on Sly Sports turns to Manchester United bid of 30 million + Add ones Accepted by Barca For Cesc Fabregas.

That news reporter says if Barca Accept. CF will have no problem playing fro MU.

Reddevilfan

20 Jul 2013 14:30:01
christian erikkson still available, AC are after him but we could still syeal him, cheap lastyear of contract, maybe an option.

I do not think we will go for him, we have players that play in his position already.

I think he would be a great addition to our squad, be interesting to see just how little he goes for

19JackC94

20 Jul 2013 13:51:57
I think so far this window we have learnt most journalists spend their day making up rumours.

Amen!

Chris

That's an outrageous comment. Journalists have huge integrity and would never make stories up, even if it meant selling more papers. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.

20 Jul 2013 13:41:30
I know this would never happen for a tonne of reasons never mind the wages but me and my friends where messing on one day saying where we think zlatan ibrahemovic (spelling) would end up now psg said they don't intend cavani and him in a partner ship and it got us thinking what if united bought him as a replacement to Rooney, I know he's a mercinary but if you forget about wages there's no doubting his talent and him and rvp would be a menace, not sure how the other players would fit in the line up but just abit of banter lol

19JackC94

Zlatan and Van Persie are more similar than him and Cavani, and Ibrahimovic is reportedly not willing to work with Cavani fearing for his place in the team.

it would be the same case with him and RvP

Mick

I agree with you Mick, I would not by any means turn him down but at his age and his wages I would just use Hernandez as the back up forward and use the money for a winger like Lamela.

20 Jul 2013 16:59:00
He's one of the most talented players i've watched over the last thirty years, if only he had applied himself he would be up there with messi and Ronaldo. But he has a lazy berbetovesque streak and an ego like Ronaldo without his application. That and he moves every two years puts me off.

20 Jul 2013 13:14:03
if we don't get fabregas I hope moyes goes for cabaye.

Please God no, I really think he is more of the same, not good enough for where we need to be

20 Jul 2013 12:50:53
With reports of Vilanova moving coming in and if we believe that AVB will be signed by Barca. we could still hope to get Bale. As bale is very close to AVB, he might consider going to Barca too but his family might stop him from going there now. Also we might be able to get Fabregas also but that seems a far shot as he said he would not play in the EPL for Nyone other than Arsenal. We r surely in a precarious situation here with no good midfielders, maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Our youngsters might surprise all of us and do extremely well!

-Utsav

Bale won't be going to Barca this season. They have spent heavily already and are looking to bring in Thiago Silva so I cannot see them finding the funds for Bale.

TK-Red

20 Jul 2013 12:42:19
The game today went a long way to
show how lightweight our midfield is
DM should know now how important
it is to purchase the box to box dynamo
and also a ball winning enforcer.
Cleverley did ok but I didn't see Anderson
keep the ball or complete a pass at all
I think any UTD fan would be overjoyed
if we sign Fabregas and Fellaini

20 Jul 2013 12:39:01
Lingard played well but I'm not yet convinced he's good enough to make it. However zaha and januzaj look like future world beaters. Zaha needs some composure and januzaj needs some muscle but both look to be outstanding prospects for the future. Neither should go out on loan and we should sell young and nani. Cheaper and better. Keane and lingard should try to find good loan situations at PL clubs. Still unconvinced entirely by cleverley. But watching zaha and januzaj makes me less concerned with adding a bale/Ronaldo type attacking wide player and confident that if we can land an elite cm (dont wanna jinx it with a name) and keep Rooney well have a team to contend in Europe. -KG

Sell Young, keep Nani

Lingard at loan at PL team will be awesome so he can become physically built. He just needs to be stronger on the ball.

20 Jul 2013 12:37:10
Just finished watching the game, queue a host of people posting on here how amazing certain players are like people posted how bad we were after the first game. It is hard to judge how well people are doing based on a preseason game obviously but what I can say is that I have felt in the last 2-3 years we have lacked that player that makes us get up off our seat and does something special. This is definitely what zaha will do. Whether he can turn that into an end product and fulfil his potential it will take a lot longer than a couple of pre season games, but the talent is definitely there.

How refreshing to see the game finish with lingard (that's how you spell his name by the way guys, no double a, no d, I have seen lots spell it very wrong already), januzaj and zaha in behind RVP.

Thought lingard looked very good and people who haven't watched much under 21 football will be excited by him. I have seen him many times and occasionally he looks like tonight but other times he struggles to get into the game. Exciting to see where he goes and if he gets his chance. Could save us some money in the long run.

Reading down the page I saw somebody say they don't think we will sign a midfielder, despite the fact our manager has come out and said we are looking to sign one and have put a bid in for a top quality one, just people being negative as always for the sake of it.

The next couple of weeks need to be exciting in the transfer window, we need players signed up before the community shield so let's hope that's the case, not worrying just yet (like others appear to be)

Glad to be back, sure this post will get lost amongst all the others who have just seen lingard for the first time.

20 Jul 2013 10:05:49
Eds, any update that you are aware of on the Fabregas front, Moyes seems to be implying that the bid of �30 million hasn't been rejected by Barcelona?!
Also, just want to say many thanks to Ed001 for the way they respond so well to poster's comments generally across several pages on this site, a fantastic human being.
Paul {Ed029's Note - I am not aware anything has changed from what was said last weekend.}

20 Jul 2013 12:28:47
Well then how good is the interchanging play between Januzaj, Zaha and Lingaard already! If we can get Januzaj on a long contract we might just have one of the most exciting set of young forwards in the world.

20 Jul 2013 12:52:42
Wow, how unusual is that, a Manchester United fan saying that you may have the most exciting forwards in the world.

Guess you must be playing a full strength Bayern team?

No Name

Young forwards - Januzaj, Zaha, Henriquez, Lingard, Welbeck, Wilson, Barmby, Keane and Powell. I think that is pretty exciting.

20 Jul 2013 11:53:04
How entertaining is Zaha to watch, plus Lingaard has been brilliant is good to watch too. Exciting times ahead.

20 Jul 2013 11:29:59
well the first half has been a million times better then the game against the singha allstars zaha can play better but he is getting lots of the ball and actually taking people on which is nice as its been a while since one of our wingers has done this jesse lingard has had a good half as well but I still fail to see what cleverly actually does it he just seems a waste of a player to me I would rather see anderson play who at least tries to go forward
what is everyone elses thoughts?

red79

Cleverly like gigs is only selected because we have no one better that's why we all say get some players for midfield and keep Anderson and get him fit or sell him in January

Are both you blind right?

Cleverley had a good game, didn't get involved much in attack but it looks like he was deployed in a deeper more defensive role. He pressed harder than any other player on the pitch tonight and made quite a few clean tackles! Anderson came on and played terribly.

Ozwald

Ozwald while I agree anderson was very poor today I just don't see anything special in cleverly if all he is going to do is make a couple of tackles we might as well just play a defender there our midfield should be our engine room that creates chances and drives the team while cancelling out our opposition attacking threats our midfield does neither and too many times over recent years we have been found wanting and not just against the top teams but some very average ones as well we rely too heavily on players like rvp rooney etc to do something special because our midfield cannot create anything we constantly play the ball out wide to wingers who cannot cross while I do think kagawa will help to solve this problem he will need help we need a top class midfielder but I just cannot see us getting one if you look at the top teams in the world they all have an abundance of them and we have carrick and kagawa that's it fellani is not the answer either he is constantly headbutting and elbowing players and as we all know the fa like to stick it to united players so what is the point of signing someone who will miss half the season

20 Jul 2013 11:19:02
So, apparently, United are 'confident' of signing Fabregas according to some sources. Are these the same sources that were 'confident' of signing Thiago and thought Strootman was 'a done deal'? I'd be delighted if United signed Fabregas, but I just can't see it. I'm losing confidence - not in Moyes, I think he'll be great - but in united's ability to tie up big deals.

Hope I'm wrong but as time goes by the negative people on here are looking most likely to be the ones with the right answers; Baines and Fellaini. Poor signings individually but great signings if combined with a couple of genuine World class talents.

Please don't think I'm one of those people that just come on here to criticise, I'm not. I love United and have been going to Old Trafford since I was 9 or 10 years old. I just don't know if the money men will let United compete with the bigger continental teams. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

Matt

20 Jul 2013 12:48:31
How is Baines a poor signing? Best left back in the league last three seasons.

Maybe I didn't phrase that very well. He's decent but he's also 28 and isn't anywhere near world class and united need world class players to compete.

Matt

Don't know if its true or not but one of the Eds said on another page that Utd didn't go after Thiago in the end as DM had concerns that he wasn't physical enough for the type of football he wanted to play? Not saying its the truth before the keyboard warriors get giddy! ;-) Just what I read. Eds can you confirm this for us?

Adz {Ed004's Note - Ed 1}

20 Jul 2013 16:49:22
So best left back three years in a row in one of the top three leagues in Europe and he's not world class! I think its a term that's over used anyway. he'd only get better with playing with better players. And what's age got to do with it? How old was van persie, cantona or sheringham when they signed? We have to have some experience in there.

20 Jul 2013 11:14:43
Lungaard is looking amazing. Pace dribble. and vision. don't mind me exagarating that hw is in ineisra molde
Rodio17

20 Jul 2013 10:54:29
We actually now have a winger who can take a man on! Now let's hope we do not train it out of him!

20 Jul 2013 10:42:16
i missed the start of the game (my internet crashed on me)could someone please tell me the full starting xi and subs.

Cheers

20 Jul 2013 11:34:28
Jeese lingard is having a great game! Some good touches!

20 Jul 2013 10:29:42
I must say it is quite worrying, city did not score enough goals last season, but the rest of the team generally played ok, so what do city do, they buy some strikers to address the issue. Chelsea faltered as their squad lacked depth as did Liverpool, so what do they do? They buy some players to improve squad depth. Manchester United win the league by virtue of the other top teams playing below par so what do utd do. Nothing. Oh sorry, they put in a below value bid for baines and fabergas knowing they won't have to spend any money as the bids will be rejected. Please ed Woodward prove me wrong. I am seriously worried right now.

Why are you including liverpool as if they are capable of winning the league

20 Jul 2013 10:24:15
Anybody want to guess how many time Paddy will say 'You're asking a lot, you're asking a lot!'?

20 Jul 2013 10:16:15
Lineup for today
Lindegaard, Rafael, Jones, Ferdinand, Evra Zaha, Carrick, Cleverley, Lingard, Giggs, Welbeck.

Subs: De Gea, Keane, Fabio, Anderson, Januzaj and Van Persie

20 Jul 2013 01:36:04
Hey Bond I have a question for you.

Given you're 007 and the Celtic editor does that mean you're actually Sean Connery?

MEF

20 Jul 2013 06:23:09
Not a rumour, its just my thoughts but I believe we might sign someone from bundesliga as moyes is a big fan. German youngsters are extremely talented so it would be great to see if we landed someone.

Chaman

20 Jul 2013 01:22:31
Hi guys, what time is the pre-season game today? AM/PM mentioned too please.

Thanks.

10:30 am

20 Jul 2013 00:50:28
Is it wrong of me to want to indoctrinate my 6 month old niece in the ways of MUFC? I'm thinking United clothes for Christmas.

MEF {Ed007's Note - You're starting late. Doesn't Man Utd have baby-grows etc?}

I know it's a bit late its just been waiting for the right opportunity as it's quite difficult only having a student loan. But finding out I'm getting almost £150 extra has given me the chance :)

MEF {Ed007's Note - Well get shopping!! (bloody students) ;-)

Bloody students?

That's what I thought at the Halloween fancy dress event last year :p

MEF

Ur late there pal I had my sons kit b4 he was born just waitin for him!
And he wasn't/isn't allowed to wear any sky blue wudnt want people getting the wrong idea about him!

I hope she was concieved at the moment RVP scored a goal :)

Get the kit my boys loved theirs especially Oliver Eric (or ole gunner Eric cantona as I call him)

My daughter was in a pink United vest before she left hospital :-)

Brendan81

20 Jul 2013 00:25:58
no doubt some players will be signed

with the Davie and everton link - baines and fellaini = 80-100-%

with garay 50/50, never been any proper truth to him signing

with the equalizer flying back - fagregas 50%. modric75%. ronnie7%. sort wayne out100%

we won't be doing any huge signings this time, apart from the pair from EFC I don't think we need to, sort WR out, new contract for nani = a burst in form I bet you! he has got it

think zaha and adnan should defo get a good spell in 1st team, certainly on the bench at least

dont think anyone will be sold, if we get baines he would compete with evra, who could always play further up, fellaini would easly slot in DM, M,

degea, rafa. rio, nemja, baines, nani, fellaini, carrick, zaha, kagawa, RVP

my thoughts