Manchester United Banter Archive May 20 2013

20 May 2013 23:45:49
Praise has to go to the U21s tonight, a truly Manchester United performance. Cole, Tunnicliffe etc all had good games. Despite this I think the only one that will get first team exposure will be Januzaj who has emerged as the cream of the crop. Firmly believe that he will get maybe 5 or 10 appearances next season under Moyes. Would be great to see,

Fresh!

How did they get on?

Beat Spurs 3-2 and are the Champions.

20 May 2013 22:19:38
The young lads did brilliantly. The way they never gave in and turned the game around with classy attacking football was a joy to watch.

This brings me onto my main point. With Moyes coming in as the new manager there raises questions over the coaching staff. I would want to keep Rene as first team coach, but its no secret that I have no love for Phelan. So a new assistant manager is needed. Now there's been a few names banded about. But there is this idea that that the club would prefer someone who has or has had a connection to the club. Phil Neville has been mentioned. But the person I would like to see most as Moyes right hand man is Warren Joyce. He has seemlessly taken over the under 21's which he helped run with Ole, and he has continued to impress with our youngster. He has them playing a fantastic attacking style of football. His attacking style would complement Moyes more defensive approach perfectly. And with how well he's doing if we don't promote him soon some championship or league one club will come in for him and he will be lost to the club.

Seeing Joyce and Rene in the dug out next season would be a very settling sight next season.

Think we out played you in the first half but well done for the come back! Still don't understand how we can win both leagues then play a one off game at yours?

I agree Shappy.

Rene also had success with the youngsters and got promoted so I'd like Rene as Assistant and Joyce to Rene's position. Let Butty and Scholesy take the U21's.

That's a possibilty Ports. But Rene is such a great coach. Some of the training methods he's used are revolutionary.

Joyce seems to be good at taking a more active role in the tactics and team set up.

Maybe Rene is better off as first team coach, but as long as one or both are helping out Moyes next season I will be a happy man.

No Name, I have no idea how it works. All I know is we have the trophy. lol.

Shappy

Given Moyes lack of European experience I believe we need someone with more than Joyce. Phelan is not the answer but I sincerely hope Meulemsteen stays. I don't know how true but I heard Gary Neville was in the frame but Quiroz is the type I believe we need to help Moyes

Red Man

21 May 2013 09:34:40
Quieroz is a great coach and if Sir Alex was still in charge then I would want him back. I don't know if he is the right man for Moyes though. Quieroz is older than Moyes and has managed at a huge club like Real Madrid, I can't see him being happy to come and play second fiddle to Moyes. It could be abit of a power struggle. Plus Rene has taken what Quieroz did and expanded on it from a coaching methods point of view. European experiance is only needed from a tactical point of view, and Rene has the tactical knoweledge and Joyce is very good tactically.

I get what your saying, I'm just not sure its as important as you think. Moyes needs to learn to be his own man in the job and make his own mark on the team. Having too many cooks will only ever spoil the broth. So we may need someone who knows the club and can act as the link between Moyes and the club until he gets the hang of it. Yes Moyes will make mistakes and most likely in europe, but we need to give him the time to learn from those mistakes. Bare in mind Sir Alex didn't exactly blow europe away and took his time to learn about european football.

Shappy you seem to forget Queiroz was a disaster at madrid and whilst everyone keeps saying how great he was at united, you seem to forget he had a great group of players at his disposal. If there is a negative mark on SAF it the period of the mid to late 2000's where we should have won the CL a few more times and been recognized as true dynasty in european football terms like the bayern, ac milan and real madrid teams of the past.

Shahram

20 May 2013 22:06:13
It's going to be a busy summer!
Outs: nani, Anderson, macheda, Rooney/chicha, lindergard and evra
Ins: bale, baines, strootman/felliani, di Maria and higuain/lewandowski or falcao
Moyes is going to get a fair few quid to make his stamp on the team and show the rest that even though sir Alex is gone its business as usual and we will be keeping our trophy again next season!
Dannyc

Is it just me or am I the only one that has heard that Bale will be signing a new deal with Spurs. I heard it on the sports news on a radio channel that only gives factual news and not rumours. I'm from South Africa btw;)

I'm with you Nik. 130k plus a release of 50mil after next season is what I saw. Didn't see Bale coming to Utd as he was either set on staying at Spurs or Real.

Falcao is also not coming as his price is too high for Utd. Plus I remember hearing something about his deal to Monaco being done or close to it with City trying to swoop in with 50mil+.

For me I don't see another striker coming in. Looks like Lew is going to Bayern and Roo may be staying after all. Unless we get rid of someone (who I wouldn't be heart broken if Welbeck was sold) we have 4 out and out strikers in Roo, RVP, Chicha, and Welbeck. We will more likely concentrate at CM and winger positions.

Spurs have let it be known they are offering Bale a new contract. This is a different thing from him signing it. Spurs have always carried out contract and transfer negotiations in the public eye by leaking details to the press. It helps them feel like a big time club. If Madrid come calling for Bale, he will leave.

20 May 2013 21:13:42
Warren Joyce is a quality coach for our youngsters.

20 May 2013 20:56:36
What a game what a comeback. Absolutely brilliant did the shirts proud

20 May 2013 20:55:16
We have sheer quality in out U-21's in the form of Keane.
Didn't lose a header the entire game. He's a gem. So is Januzaj. Cole, Ekangamene deserve a big pat on the back too.
But Keane, oomph!
CHAMPIONS AGAIN

He is class and I tell all my Cardiff City supporting friends that they should try and get him on loan next season!
LP

20 May 2013 20:47:37
And again son! Lovely finish.

What a comeback!

20 May 2013 20:34:22
Great composure from young Cole.

Come on lads!

20 May 2013 20:10:52
Ed004, do you think Januzaj still needs work on being more accurate w/ his passing? {Ed004's Note - Yes but the potential is there imo}

20 May 2013 19:45:04
Tottenham is up 2-0 in U21 Championship. {Ed004's Note - Second was a very good shot}

2. 2 :0)

Sydney!

Make it 3-2 COLE!

"C'est la vie. "

Under 21's Champions of England

Over 21's Champions of England.

Sydney!

20 May 2013 18:55:47
Januzaj I believe will feature in the Captial Cup or whatever it's called. I hope.

20 May 2013 18:36:35
Fornasier, Cofie, Giverin, Veseli, Hendrie and one other have been released.

Not a shock with Fornasier, Giverin or Veseli. Not sure which one Hendrie is. Actually Cofie isn't much of a shock either, could have gone either way.

20 May 2013 16:49:00
Im hoping that the coaching situation is sorted
out asap and also the the majority of our excisting
setup is kept as it is with the possible addition of
of G Nev or OGS etc. I really hope that Moyes doesn't bring any off his backroom staff
with him as Moyes and his staff have little experience of competing in Europe and domestically and preparing a squad for games every 3-4 days!
Im happy with the Moyes appointment as long
as it doesn't mean we loose our highly rated and
experienced backroom staff.
LP

Moyes needs to bring familiar faces for the smoothest takeover. I very much doubt our main coaches will be let go. Moyes will have his own ideas and will need some of his staff.

Ste.

LP?

Liz Phelan?

Mike's wife. Please don't sack me David : (

20 May 2013 16:15:33
Players i'd like to move on/are moving
Rooney
Nani
Anderson
Scholes
Fletcher (won't be available )

Players I'd like to keep to prove worth.
Cleverley
Welbeck
Valencia
A. Young


Current players I couldn't be happier with.
De Gea
Evans
Ferdinand
Vidic
Jones
Rafeal
Smalling
Carrick
Kagawa
Van Persie
Hernandez
Zaha

Excluding youth and other fringe players I would argue we could do with.

One more winger.
Another frontman
2 world class midfielders.
Signing 4 players and moving those 4 on would put us in a very strong position.

LB? Move Evra on? Who replaces?
Steve

20 May 2013 13:11:37
First of all would like to thank Sir Alex and Paul Scholes for all that they have done for the club.

Now I hope Moyes gets the Rooney situation sorted within this week, either way. I for one am hoping we let him go and sign Lewandowski and a winger who can also play as attacking midfield. Top that off with a central midfielder and maybe a left back and it would be a good summer. Hope we can get the deals done early and the players can gel in pre season with Moyes.

On a side note @Ed002 and @Ed004, any updates on Lewandowski or any other targets?

REDFAITH {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new that I am aware of today.}

20 May 2013 13:47:10
Bit of appointees question but say the players we've strongly been linked with do join what numbers do you think they'll get? My guesses would be.
Lewi - easy, number 9
Strootman - even if Anderson leaves and the 8 is free I can see him getting number 22
Bale/Ronaldo - Ronaldo would want 7, bale 11 there both taken, what numbers do you think they'd get IF they joined? My guess would be if ronny joined Valencia would give up the number 7 and if bale joined possibly te same or number 17 until giggs retires? I'm just Interested to see what people think! Bit of a pointless post.

I think the iconic No:7 shirt has been disrespected since Ronaldo left. Owen didn't play enough, and Valencia hasn't been the same since he was given it. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it given back to Ronaldo if he returned. If Bale arrived I think Giggsy would retire and hand the 11 over to someone fitting. Bale has said Giggs was his idol etc. If Rooney goes, that also leaves the 10 vacant to. So who knows.
is going to be an interesting summer to say the least.

Sambo

20 May 2013 12:57:04
I really hope United do not get Fellaini. He is not Unite standard and is a dirty player whom will not fit in to the United team at all. I would be happy with Baines but please Moyes. Leave Fellaini at Everton!

Joe F {Ed004's Note - Agreed}

As we chose Moyes as Manager it is not unreasonable to expect him to look at players he trusts. This doesn't mean he will buy Fellaini mind you

However at the same time Mourinho is said to want Ronaldo and the odds of him going to Chelsea have notably tightened, then add that it is said Pelligrini may want Falcao. If they should be successful it would put Fellaini and our owners ambition into clear perspective
It's game on now

Red Man

Of course Red Man. We shall ignore what Ed002 has told us about Falcao and Monaco and also there being nothing in Ronaldo going to Chelsea and we shall continue to trust the accurate newspapers and question the club's ambition.

How about City and Chelsea seem to be fighting a losing battle for Falcao while United are already in talks about Di Maria?

How about Silva, Nasri, Aguero all likely to be moving this summer?

Game on? We have been hearing this far too often. The negativity seems unbelievable. We heard it last summer and we won the league. Jose with his team of Galacticos needed a poor decision from the ref to get a sniff at the current United team without Rooney even being on the pitch.

A sensible summer spending with two or three good players bought will be more than enough to compete, especially in the league.

Ronaldo to Chelsea? Give me a break! Its Schurrle they are after. Clutching at straws I would say.

REDFAITH

Red Man, I think there is every chance Fellaini could be preferred to Strootman by Moyes. I think the other targets won't change like Di Maria/Lew, but Moyes will certainly want Fellaini. If we went and bought Strootman would that mean Moyes is not pulling the strings?

Sydney!

Redfaith

With due respect to the Eds, they do not know for certain what is going on either (e. g. Ed002 previously stating that SAF will not be retiring this summer) - so don't blindly follow what they are saying and dis the papers. Better just to keep our dreams alive and hope for the best, I reckon.

DL10 {Ed002's Note - Right - I was wrong. All the cretins like you can come out and moan about it.}

I think Fellaini is a nailed on signing.
Don't get me wrong he isn't my choice but I would have him in my side any day over Tom "the brand" Cleverley.
Fellaini or Strootman, Bale and Baines would be nice.

Simmo

Moyes has previously looked at signing Strootman for Everton so hopefully we
see the deal completed soon.
LP

Of course Red Man. We shall ignore what Ed002 has told us about Falcao and Monaco and also there being nothing in Ronaldo going to Chelsea and we shall continue to trust the accurate newspapers and question the club's ambition.

How about City and Chelsea seem to be fighting a losing battle for Falcao while United are already in talks about Di Maria?

How about Silva, Nasri, Aguero all likely to be moving this summer?

Game on? We have been hearing this far too often. The negativity seems unbelievable. We heard it last summer and we won the league. Jose with his team of Galacticos needed a poor decision from the ref to get a sniff at the current United team without Rooney even being on the pitch.

A sensible summer spending with two or three good players bought will be more than enough to compete, especially in the league.

Ronaldo to Chelsea? Give me a break! Its Schurrle they are after. Clutching at straws I would say.

REDFAITH

"A sensible summer spending with two or three good players bought". We have good players already but need top quality players and need at least one of them to be world level such as Bale, Ronaldo or Falcao.

I acknowledge we may have beaten Madrid and sadly we will never know but you seriously do not think we would have beaten any of the three other semi finalists?

Let us see what happens but if we are significantly behind City and Chelsea on the transfer front then we will be behind them in the league next season as I can't see either or both of them playing as poorly again. We need to see the owners really support Moyes and I have my concerns that they will at this vital time

Red Man

Red Man, Chelsea and City didn't play poorly this season. We were just better than them and more consistent. City only finished 7 points off last season's total. And they have not been playing their best for the last five games due to us already having won the league. Vincent Kompany has already said City overachieved last season. Difference this season is we beat them this season, whereas last season they beat us twice.

Chelsea finished 6th last season and 3rd this season, TEN points better off than last season. Chelsea and City didn't do poorly, we were just better than them. Like I said Red Man, you are a glass half empty kind of chap. At least when it comes to football.

Sydney!

Sydney

Your opinion differs from most experts who acknowledge the fact Chelsea and particularly City did not perform.

You like your glass comment don't you, does it make you feel superior?

Red Man

Superior to whom?

Sydney!

Be completely honest Red Man, when was the last time you wrote a positive post? We have just won the league by 11 points, our U21's have won the league. By the way you post you would think we were Liverpool FC.

Sydney!

Red Man

I would agree City have underperformed a little, but equally their poor signings in the summer caught them out and highlighted their surprising lack of squad depth. But, even performing full on, I think they'd have struggled to keep pace with us.

Chelsea underperform? I don't think so. Their forward line is weak, they have no variety in the way they play and they have some poor players in their squad who wouldn't get a look in at United - Mikel, Moses, Cahill. Without serious spending in the summer, I would expect them to fall back behind Arsenal next season.

I don't think we were good enough to beat Bayern, Barcelona or Dortmund, but they are all excellent sides, and I suspect we would have given Bayern a much tougher game than Barce did.

It's easy to under-rate our own players. De Gea and Rafael are both heading toward the world class category (and might get there next season) and Jones won't be far behind. We do need to invest in a forward, a central midfielder and a winger, but surely we should be looking at how competitive we were this season and how much room for improvement we have and thinking that that is actually incredibly good news for us and bad news for everybody else?

20 May 2013 22:19:15
@DL10

I would certainly trust the Eds more than the papers, especially with interest in players. Discussion with owners, agents and general money men is how I imagine the interest in players is found by the eds. Ed002 has been spot on with everything so far.

Sir Alex's retirement is a different case altogether, Ed002 surely cannot read his mind. He made a calculated statement about him being expected to retire next year with the information about Moyes being the preferred choice who could have taken the job at Schalke for a year or taken a year off. The news came as a surprise for the whole footballing community, including the media.

REDFAITH

Sydney

And when was the last time you were realistic or ambitious?

I enjoyed winning the title as much as anyone. In fact it felt even more special because there is a the unknown now and no matter how you try to put a slant on it we don't know what next season will bring and when we will do it again. Delighted for the U21's as well

Whete we differ is that I want more, I want Europe as well and too often we have fallen short. I want more ambition from the club.
There is no need for you to insult people and you do come over as trying to be superior over everyone.

As to Liverpool, well as I have said I remember 1992 (and before) and Anfield with the banners saying had anyone seen us win the league and too many here are now glorying in their shortfalls as they did with us and I hope it doesn't bite us back at some point.

Red Man

Dark lard

I stood up for DeGea when some put him down, for Rafael whilst he still has a little to learn and said Jones is a real Manchester United player. It is what we do now that defines where we are going next. We need to make us competitive with Bayern etc and that is what I am looking for, then it will be bad news for everyone else and I would love that

Red Man

It doesn't matter whether City and Chelsea are better or worse than last year. We were better than we were the previous season hence won the league. But we are some way behind in Europe and that's why we should be judging our close season signings on getting the midfield engine we know we have been missing for some time AND a world class attacking option most likely to replace Rooney.

Ronaldo, Bale, Falcao and Lewandowski are rumoured to be targets and getting one if these higher profile hot properties is a must. Make no mistake these players will considerably strengthen whomever they join hence we must be in the bidding for them.

20 May 2013 12:05:27
"I feel that next season the title race will be between Chelsea and Manchester City, with Arsenal not far behind. Fourth will be down to Tottenham, Manchester United, and Liverpool I feel. Can't see Moyes winning next season. "

The Liverpool banter site is always good for a laugh, isn't it? {Ed004's Note - I wouldn't be so confident until we see how we do in the transfer window. If Chelsea and City go out and spend hundreds of million and Arsenal spend the report 70-80 they have we need to spend to compete.}

Yeah but both City and Chelsea will have new managers next year. Mourinho will change many thing in their team as he usually does and I think they will get some time to settle. And even if our aqcuisitions this summer aren't the best we always have this United spirit and consistency with us so I think well be at least 2nd. Not to mention I find it very difficult that Liverpool will beat Tottenham or any other team for the fourth place.

Let them underestimate us, we always prove them wrong :)

Sydney!

20 May 2013 13:37:41
Ed Arsenal won't spend anywhere near that sort of money. Its really funny how every May and June we see these media reports of an Arsenal transfer spend of 70 million on all these big names yet by September they've spent less than half the rumoured amount. My inner Kloot thinks its just made up to sell season tickets. I don't really see Wenger going mad in the market he's too frugal. Also they don't have a big player to sell this summer. City and Chelsea will spend but we'll not be able to match then anyway and they'll need to gel. We'll all be in the same boat regards new managers. Still say its between us and Chelsea. MrE {Ed004's Note - So do I but I don't think we should be cocky or over confident about anything not until we see the clubs ambitions}

20 May 2013 13:49:59
Fergie's still around so he'll make sure the ambitions there. And Moyes is ambitious too. I'm sure he knows what he needs to do. And all the squad now have had that winning taste. The only thing that worries me is the money men and this Woodward fellow. You knew where you were with Gill. As you say its down to ambition, but winning stuff means you can sell more cheap plastic tat to tourists with champions printed on it so its win win really. got to speculate an all that. And as we keep saying we only need the right signings its not like its a total rebuild. Get the right four in this summer and I think we'll be alright. As Sydney said they always underestimate us. MrE

Arsene Wenger's latest press conference says it all IMO. He is already making excuses for Arsenal's lack of ambition in the transfer market. You could say it's strategic and bluff, but history shows us they will net spend very little.

Sydney!

20 May 2013 22:18:40
@Ed004

Make no mistake Manchester United's ambition every season is to win the league and CL. All clubs go about achieving it in a different way.

City's buy buy buy policy has got them success in the league, but they have been poor in Europe and we were way ahead this year in the league too.

Ironically, Chelsea couldn't achieve Champions league glory when they spent big but it happened after one of their quieter summers.

Real Madrid have spent millions trying to achieve success, brought on the supposedly invincible Mourinho but couldn't go the distance while a Dortmund side built with very less money has gone to the final.

United reached the CL final on the back of a summer where Chicharito was our big summer signing. I'm sorry but recent trends have shown that success isn't achieved by just spending big. Stability, squad morale, tactics, belief, workrate, squad size and luck are far more important than the amount spent imo.

That said I would love it if we spent big, but the negativity and fear of losing is becoming far too much here.

REDFAITH

20 May 2013 11:48:06
If Moyes succeeds in getting Rooney to stay then ironically this "success" would be his first failure.
Rooney needs to be dispatched with - Not once but TWICE he has asked to leave and he is really nothing worth keeping. I really hope Moyes isn't here this week to convince him to stay - As Moyes detests Paul Stretford, Rooney`s agent, I doubt he will want Rooney anyway.

Careful what you wish for. do you really want a fully effective Rooney playing for one of our domestic or European rivals? any team he goes to, he will only make them better.

granted he's had a dip of form of late, but can't we forgive this 'cos we know how good he can be. we should be demanding that he takes care of himself and is fully fit but I don't mind indulging him throwing his toys out the pram every now and then. Rooney can't be accused of not putting effort in on the pitch and that's what counts.

that said, if Chelsea want to do a swap deal for mata then I'm all for it.
andrew b

20 May 2013 10:11:15
Hi, is the next kit leaked online (it has a black collar) actually the new kit or is it a hoax?

Ed?
Cheers {Ed004's Note - I'm not sure I reckon there is a strong chance it could be though}

Thats it alright cones out june 6. One of our better looking kits if you ask me

CAIN

What is with the sudden influx in Jersey's having collar and buttons?

20 May 2013 09:13:03
Id like to see a bid for khedira in the summer, Chelsea seem to have strong interest and if we get in early and Madrid are willing to sell then we might just pull it off. I've not seen enough of Strootman and if we can get Khedira for around the same money then I know who my choice would be! Can see there being bit of a fire sale at Madrid this summer so could be 1 or 2 bargains that would improve out team!

IHaveNoName!

Personally I'd rather have Strootman tbh.

I think we need both.

Andrew b

20 May 2013 08:35:32
Morning all,
It really has gone very quiet out there, surely that's a sign that something HUGE is about to happen. I'm just ever the optimist!
Ins: Lewandowski, Strootman, Baines, Ronaldo.

Outs: Rooney, Anderson, Nani, Scholes,

Paul