Manchester United Banter Archive November 20 2012
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20 Nov 2012 22:21:09
These are games when they can play with the pressure turned down a notch and it gives the manager a chance to look at how they perform with a passionate crowd against them. So how did they do.
Fletcher looks only half the player he was and has lost a bit of pace when he wasnt quick. Anderson did ok but this was the type of moment when he should stand up and dominate the midfield and he didn't. Cleverley buzzed around and looked busy, passing it short but what did he actually contribute?
I felt Powell for his age is outstanding and with a decent midfield player next to him could be something special. He deserves more of a run. His touch is good and has a real chance, started to look tired in the second half.
Up front Hernandez didn't have the balls to run on to and that limits him. On Welbeck he flatters at times but again another non scoring game, he does some good things but nothing brilliantly.
Phil Jones looks a quality player for me, hope he now has a run of games.
Overall a decent game but we lack a spark, that touch of quality that is special, take Rooney and RVP out and we look ordinary at times and it probably explains why the manager looks for a special talent.
The arrival of Powell made it worth watching, just a shame we didn't get a look at Petrucci because we know Macheda isn't good enough.
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Agreed Red Man
Powell looked good and against a team that knew they had to win. Linders looked good aswell.
Macheda? Jesus what's he still at us for? He will not make it and as long as he is here he will clog up spots and minutes for another young striker like keane or henriquez.
Jones played well but Ando played like he normally does IMO. He wont be the difference we have been looking for.
We did well in the cauldron I thought and well done to most on the park.
Jono
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I agree Fletcher looks a yard short, but he just isn't getting enough games to fully get back his fitness imo. I doubt he'll be the same player again, but he can still be a useful squad player.
Anderson is a mystery, he has so much talent but his fitness is questionable and so is his form.
Cleverley i feel i the kind of vital player that all teams need in modern football. He keeps the ball moving and the team ticking over. He isn't that crunching defensive player nor the kind of attacking player who'll get lots of goals or assists but he is always available for a pass and he very rarely gives the ball away. In a year or two's time he'll be the most important midfielder in our team. I think he looks like a more tenacious Modric type player.
Powell does look abit special, i have high hopes for him.
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20 Nov 2012 22:02:03
I'm not too disappointed about losing tonight to be honest. We've already won the group so I thought it was nice that we were giving others (e.g. powell) a chance
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20 Nov 2012 21:39:13
I must point out how impressed I am with Phil Jones after being out for a long time. Get him a few more games and make sure he stays fit and he will certainly improve our defense, him and Smalling could do great together.
-JakeW
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20 Nov 2012 21:38:35
Very proud of the guys tonight, plenty of positive, jones was immense, buttner was good, clevs ando and Powell were really good, chicha was impressive again and welbeck was slightly better! Good performance. What did everyone else think?
Caolán.
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Anderson didnt boss the game like he should, Cleverley was good, Fletcher was chasing shadows, Powell was a bit off the pace of the game, but he looks like a real gem, and needs to be given more games.
Chicha was starved of chances and Welbeck has got to stop losing possession.
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20 Nov 2012 20:38:03
Nick Powell and Tom Cleverley have stood out for me in this first half, they seem to work very well together. Unlucky for Powell to not get his first Champions League game, hopefully he will get another chance in the next half!
-JakeW
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Goal*
-JakeW
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20 Nov 2012 20:31:56
When you're playing tough away matches like this, where a team is very solid you need a spark - I can't help but feel we don't have one. We need that guy back who does a couple of steppovers, beats a man and bangs one in like Ronaldo did for us, like Hazard does for Chelsea and like Neymar does for Santos. The question is, who?
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Or maybe kags rooney or rvp
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RVP Rooney or Kagawa. If we were to sign someone i'd go for Isco.
Shappy
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Got it right the first time ;)
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Muniain.
-JakeW
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Jred it looks like you just beat me to the punch. lol.
Shappy
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Rooney, RVP and Kagwa aren't what I'm talking about. They're classy players but aren't as explosive / dynamic as someone with pace and speed etc.
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20 Nov 2012 20:31:53
I must say, I'm absolutely loving this game of football! End to end stuff, Galatasaray are putting up the fight that we knew they would. But I have to say, I'm most enjoying how we look as a team tonight. A really fluid attack of Welbeck, Chica and Powell playing in the AM role. Cleverley pulling the strings in midfield is great to see and Anderson is looking very sharp. They should both be showing Nani and Young how to deliver a corner!
Andy!
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20 Nov 2012 19:44:57
Any idea how this team will line up?
James
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20 Nov 2012 19:42:58
If Wanyama is really 21 then i'm a monkey's uncle, looks nearer 26.
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20 Nov 2012 19:36:23
So glad to see Powell starting seems like only yesterday I singed him as 16 year old for 65k on football manager, now here he is cost 4 million and making his European debut! Good luck kid :)
Caolán.
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20 Nov 2012 19:09:02
Does fergie believe that carrick is a better cb than wooton, if so wooton must be terrible great confidence boost for the kid a 31 year old slow cm player gets the nob ahead of him, ludacris. Rafael should get a deserved rest hes played the most from our squad and people might say experience but he has already played in the 1st 4 games. Petrucci & tunnicliffe not even on the bench what a waste of an oppurtunity cheers gaffer
Sulei
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2 cm's at cb is odd, no petrucci yet macheda?
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Jones is a CB.
Mad Hatter
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Spot on Mad Hatter, he'll be a top one at that (I hope)
Gav
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I presume that should read "gets the nod" unless there are some strange goings on in the dressing room....
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20 Nov 2012 19:05:12
Carrick in defence again. The guy is useless there. Fergie...... You don't what your doing may soon be heard singing around OT. I can see Scholes Giggs in the starting 11 against City in 2 weeks.
Mad Hatter
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Mad Hatter you talk absolute rubbish. I AM KLOOT
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20 Nov 2012 19:04:24
looks like chelsea have gone for the spain look, no recognized striker
jred
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To be honest having gone 458 minutes without scoring a league goal, I'm not sure if any still recognises Torres as a striker anyway.
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20 Nov 2012 19:00:32
Glad the youngster's are getting a chance tonight but Carrick at CB is a little depressing. It doesn't matter if we lose, I would prefer Wootton to start. Am surprised Vermijl doesn't start to give Rafael a break, so I assume from that that SAF does not believe he is ready
Let's hope for a good performance from those given a chance tonight, so that they can put pressure on some of the more regular starters
Gav
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Gav, I don't think Wootton will make it with us sadly, so I think the manager went with giving Jones experience over Wootton as Jones is long-term. Carrick was always going to play CB or he wouldn't have traveled.
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What youngsters, only powell
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Noname, i meant wellbeck, chicha, buttner, clev, ando, jones and powell - i should have said 'younger players who need game time' i guess
Syd - fair enough if he won't make it but I still would have rested Carrick for the weekend as this game was irrelevant, rather than playing him in a position where he does not excell. I'm hoping this means Clev and Ando are given more time in the coming weeks
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No name, the inexperienced like Lindegaard, Rafael, Jones, Buttner, Powell, Cleverley, Hernandez, Welbeck & Young.
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20 Nov 2012 18:58:27
Petrucci isn't on the bench! Ridiculous.
Caolán.
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Exactly! Hope we don't lose him like pobga!
kdevil10
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A few Italian teams were sniffing around Petrucci in the summer. I'm sure he signed a 3yr deal with us instead. If he did he'll be regretting it. I'm not gonna be so upset about Pogba leaving now.
We can all see NOW why he left. Fergie is missing a trick :-(
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I am not sure Petrucci signed any deal.
Sydney!
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Well if he didn't then he's playing while not under contract as his last contract ran out in july. So he must have signed some sort of deal, as to how long that deal is i don't know.
Shappy
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20 Nov 2012 18:49:29
Confirmed Manchester united team: Lindegaard, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Buttner, fletcher, Cleverely, anderson, POWELL (He's playing that's good!), Welbeck, Hernandez.
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20 Nov 2012 18:46:42
is that going to be a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3
jred
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Looks like 4-1-3-2
jred
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20 Nov 2012 18:44:40
Why oh why is Carrick at center back??
Caolán.
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20 Nov 2012 18:20:50
The challenge on Ronaldo & the lack of support from his team and club may push him out the door. I think he was already troubled at Madrid, that might be the last straw. He is constantly overlooked for awards and doesn't get the support from Madrid like Barca give to Messi. And, we can finance the deal as Nike will help a lot as it will be financially beneficial to them to have him back in a Nike kit. He's coming home!
Viva Ronaldo!! #CR7
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What's this challenge you speak of?
Andy S
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Course he is, and i've got a date on Friday night with Katy Perry. Great player but he'd be an awful signing for us, we're struggling at the moment to provide support for van Persie due to the shambles in midfield and the constant injuries in defence, so how is signing Ronaldo going to help those issues?
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I would never sanction a ronny return in favour of sortin out the many other issues the team has currently!
CM, LB, CB and a top LW are massive priority over spunking the same amount on one player.
Jono
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Exactly my point Jono. For what it would cost to buy him and pay him we could bring in 4 players and sort the team out.
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Nike could help with the transfer fee. And no one can say signing him would be bad business, hed tranform the team instantly. However there are areas to work on. I don't see it happening though I'm afriaf.
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It would be nice but we have to sort out out midfield problems first.
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20 Nov 2012 17:38:31
Jred, my opinion on the Glazers has NEVER changed. I have always remained consistent. I believe it's you and other people's opinions who are changing and now perhaps realising that we do in-fact have decent funds to sign players, just like I have been saying all along. I have NEVER defended the Glazer is one single post, feel free to search the archives, but I have always remained balanced and impartial.
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i have never said as a club we dont have money what i have questioned is what the money has been used for.
the last 2 transfer windows have been ok but before that imo where quite poor.
I think there has been a change over the last 2 years but my opinion of the glazers has not changed.
where I think our views differ are I feel
we would off been more competitive in the transfer market with out the glazers and there debt
and that we would of been better of without them
jred.
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Somehow i dont think that will happen!
Fredo
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20 Nov 2012 17:12:12
People are forgetting that we have to have englsih players!
Fergie will not buy all foreign players, i could see maybe a shawcross or caulker,hummels, and then maybe a cabaye and a young english defensive midfeilder. and then zaha to the mix this is for next summer
You lot may not like it but fergie will do something similiar to this
Big V
also looking forward to seeing powell tonight and to see if petrucci gets game time
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Regard Caulker very highly indeed. Would be nice to see him replace Ferdinand to be honest!
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Cabaye eh?
I think he would do alright ;-)
Jono
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20 Nov 2012 17:11:48
I think Powell will start tonight.
Caolán.
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20 Nov 2012 16:52:34
{Banter Please ED}
{Ed002's Note - It is not banter - it goes on the team page.}
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So all the other teams and line ups on the banter page are?
nobody reads the teams page ... {Ed002's Note - They should not have been posted - I will see if we can allow responses on the team pages.}
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20 Nov 2012 16:14:20
I think these 3 players would be great signings for us over the next year or two
Strootman
Hummels
Rodriguez
I think Powell will end up being Scholes replacement
So imagine this team in maybe two years
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Rafael-Hummels-Smalling-Buttner/Fabio
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Rodriquez--Rooney---Kagawa
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I think it could be brilliant
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20 Nov 2012 15:19:06
i think jones might start at RB tonight.
jred
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I was thinking the same earlier, but I went with him playing alongside Carrick with Rafael at RB as my final decision. I think the manager will want Rafael to get this game under his belt as it will be great experience for him. He also have plenty of time to get a rest before Saturday. I am not convinced Wootton has a future at the club so I think Rafael, Carrick, Jones & Buttner will be the back for. However I do think Jones will be playing either in midfield or at RB in the near future, with Rafael holding down his place this season I think a spot in midfield isn't out of the question.
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i think raf might get a rest, i would like to see powell get a chance and if he does i think he might start along side either carrick or prob fletch
jred
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Jred, I thought that earlier as he has played a lot of games, but I think the experience in tonight's game will be key for his development and I think he may get the nod. With us having CB issues I think Jones may play there tonight as he will be needed there if Rio or Smalling gets an injury.
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Raf starts, quite surprised to be honest
glad to see powell starting
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20 Nov 2012 15:18:19
Question, if Rio leaves. Who do we sign as a centre back? Possible replacements would be Hummels, Ogbonna, Subotic, Varane...
Its very difficult to say who. Personally I think we could go for Hummels. It seems more likely. Personally what I think we might see next year is:
__________De Gea
Rafa__Smalling__Hummels__Fabio
______Fellaini___Cleverly
__Kagawa__Rooney__Young
___________RVP
We might add Zaha into that mix, maybe Fischer. The big think there for me would be getting Fabio up to Rafael's standards. If we can manage that then we have Evra's replacement already in the squad. I'd keep Evra, Fabio & Buttner and see who comes out on top.
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I would rather start Jones ahead of Rafael at RB. Rafa is great going forward but can be a liability in defense sometimes.
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Fellaini isn't great in that position, too slow and cumbersome for my liking. He's a little clumsy in possession at times too. There are far better and cheaper options out there.
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Sydney - re your view on Fellaini - rubbish
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20 Nov 2012 15:04:42
Just thought that I would add my two pennies to the 'which midfielder' debate that is going on. As I have said before, I have a pretty small list of players that I would want to help 'transform' our midfield:
- Bender brothers.
- Fellaini
- Strootman
- Wanyama
The two that most interest me are Wanyama and Fellaini. Some might say that the Bender's are the best, but thats not necessarily so. Essentially, one of the weaklinks in midfield is Carrick, this is notable as people are praising the a*** off of Fletcher who has always been a squad player. Cleverly, Anderson and Powell should be fighting it out for a spot alongside a player with presence. This is where Carrick lets himself down, despite his height he is pretty weak on the ball and very poor in the air. I'm not saying that we should necessarily sell him, but there is no way that he should be a starting regular for a team such as ours - perhaps for someone like Newcastle.
This is why Fellaini or Wanyama are my preference. I don't really mind which. The problem with Wanyama is that he is a standout player in a poor team in a poor league. Fellaini on the other hand is thee standout player for a good team in one of the worlds best leagues. This implies that Fellaini is the better player. He has also excelled against the likes of us, Chelsea, City etc. Both players break forward and score and both have a high work rate.
The only problem that I have with Fellaini is his hair - LOL. But surely £20 million for either player would be great. Zaha probably will come in too.
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As a defensive midfielder I would have all of the above over Fellaini, well I have only seen one Bender bros play so I cannot vouch for both. I do not believe Fellaini is best suited as a defensive midfielder and I think he and Moyes agree.
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As I've said, Wanyama is probably my preference. But I do rate Fellaini.
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20 Nov 2012 15:03:51
I think Jose needs to prove himself before being allowed to take over Man U!
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No name, it's man united, and what do you mean prove himself? He has done the business at every level and has as many champions league winners medals as sir Alex (Well he would have if he didn't throw the Porto one into the crowd!)
I know you left no name and probably just a keyboard warrior / troll but just wondering what you meant exactly?
GDS
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To be fair to the OP jose has always had bags of cash, he wouldnt at utd so would be a tough task no?
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How many 'bags of cash' did he have at Porto?
GDS
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GDS
Or inter!
People have a massive misconception on him as he spend big at Chelsea but since then he has ran at a small net spend. His inter spends we're helped massively in the beast of a deal he got for ibrahimovic but he was allowed to spen what he wanted of that unlike other managers.
I really wish people would research a bit before posting such sh**e as Jose NEEDS money and can't operate without it. It's a bull***t statement and facts are easily available to anyone with the sense to check before posting.
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I'll take that as an agreement Jono ;) be careful you might get me talking up cabaye!
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Also we haven't exactly done shabby over the years either. I think Jose would be happy with 50 mill a year plus sales. Sell the dross off. He coudl get a couple of players in for that, which really is all we need. My 1 concern would be regards the youth, but if Jose liked what he saw it could save him the money to splash on a special player.
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GDS...I think it was sarcasm mate...
AJH
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Surely the OP was being sarcastic? Has any manager 'proved himself' more over the last 10 yrs?
Having said that my preference is Klopp anyway
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Yeah mate it was an agreement ha.
We need to get a few more On the Yohan bandwagon. Seems I might have recruited Big V so a third musketeer is a must!
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20 Nov 2012 14:40:25
I don't often wish good fortune on Liverpool,however with all the speculation surrounding Suarez and with little hope of him playing Champions League football in the near future , i do hope that they can hang on to him and avoid selling him to one of our rivals.
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He'll go to PSG.
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20 Nov 2012 14:10:19
Worst thing that could happen we lose 3/4 nil but i really doubt that. Think about it if players like tunnicliffe , petrucci and vermijl dont get a sniff today when will they play? No more carling cup, every league game is important (norwich showed that) and next stage of champions league is to a high a level. it just shows if u remember loads of people posting a year or two ago they were saying are team sheet would include pogba, morrison, tunnicliffe? these guys were deluded. If we are so youth encouraging this is our chance otherwise Pogba and morrison were right not to extend contracts because they'd just rot here. And many people will say these were rotten eggs , watever they were talented players who if were kept in the 1st team fold and played wold be starting ahead of young, nani, cleverly, anderson.
Lets hope fergie changes his mindset!
Otherwise might aswell sell the deadwood, as its a viscous cirlce so players like janunzaj, Daehli and perreira will experience the same thing on the folds until there early 20s! while other teams take risks and throw their young players in the deep barca, arsenal even liverpool hate to say it while we play giggs and scholes until there early 40s
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Some will obviously play. Playing at Galatassary is like a lion's den though. If the crowd get on the young lad's backs and they are getting hammered it could really damage them. There has to be a balance.
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20 Nov 2012 13:33:20
Wouldn't be surprised if Beckham returned.
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Giggs-Scholes-Carrick-Beckham
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You'll win nothing with kids... what about o.a.p's?
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Don't forget Evra, Ferdinand - we might even get Neville to come back.
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Thats a proper midfield.......i would swap Carrick for Keane though
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Plus Nicky Butt is coaching the kids could he do a Scholesy lol
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20 Nov 2012 12:11:23
Tonight is going to be the biggest test that the yputh could have. The Turkish fans were already a handful at the airport, cannot imagine what they will be like in the stadium when they get there flares out. We will pick a balance of youth and experience tonight. I know the result isn't important, but I still think not losing is important as we need to breed a winning culture throughout the young players and to keep up the habit. Losing tonight would mean losing two in a row, which isn't our style.
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20 Nov 2012 11:52:54
With Chelsea rumoured heavily to be setting up a deal for Falcao and then Torres becoming surplus to requirements, would everyone write-off United putting a cheeky £10 Million/£15 Million Maximum bid in for Torres?
I know his goals have dried up since his move to Chelsea but could that maybe because he does not have the service with those? Their midfield is full of players who likes to run and dribble round defences, instead of little intricate one-two passes round the box that, I believe, are our strengths.
What I'm saying is, would everyone condone his move to United? If we had him for the price I mentioned and he found half the form he had at Liverpool, that would justify £10 Million well spent if you ask me
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Chelsea will try and keep both I imagine. One striker in a whole squad is insufficient.
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I can't see Torres leaving for another english side, think he'll head back to spain, also 10-15m? would imagine chelsea would try to get rid for at least 30m, personnelly i can't see it but cant imagine chelsea willing to lose such a fee.
As for your question? no, we have enough firepower, on his day partciular in his early liverpool days he was unplayable - vidic found that out first hand but since then he's been poor.
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If he was available for 10-15m i wouldn't turn him down..
torres rooney RVP upfront would be scary.
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So Chelsea get to buy the best and we get their cast-offs. No thanks. We should be buying Falcao ourselves ! He is awesome and is knocking them in for fun for Athletico.
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Chelski will use him as part of the deal to get Falcao! it would suit all parties.
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20 Nov 2012 10:14:15
is there any chance we could bid for raheen sterling, he is going to be a star, centre mid maybe modric as he is not playing much atm. if not modric then alonso, just maybe.
James
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If Sterling does leave Liverpool, it won't be to us. But I will laugh my head off.
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Sterling and most definitely Alonso would never sign for you people
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For the good of Sterling I'd like him to stay put for another 3-4 seasons. Not a fan of Liverpool but am a massive fan of Rodgers and think he's doing a great job with the lad.
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There are much better players than Sterling out there for sale. Sterling isn't better than what we have got. James must be a Liverpool fan over-hyping one of his players.
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Really dont see the fuss about Sterling! hes quick i ll give him that, Rodriguez or Isco is the calibre we should b after! if Sterling was at United or another top team he wouldnt b anywhere near the 1st team!
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Rodriguez is the way to go IMO, he would cost the same as Hazard did, but I think he would have more of an impact than Hazard has had and Hazard has been good so far. Rodriguez, Baines & Wanyama would be a quality summer. Rodriguez & Baines to replace Nani/Giggs & Evra. Wanyama to replace Scholes in the squad. I would go for Hummels if Vidic was sold. If Rooney was sold I would go for Lewandowski.
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Syd!
I don't think we can get away with only Wanyama as a CM signing. He is never tested in possession in the SPL and the step from Celtic to Utd is big. Wanyama stands out in CM like pogba did with the rezzies but IMO the SPL ain't all that better than league 2.
I think we need two and hope giggs and scholes go, I would even pump ando off and let Powell and petrucci take his game quota up.
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20 Nov 2012 09:21:37
Hiya all, I know people ask this on here all the time but i havent ever read the answers as not needed too before. So .... does anybody know a decent website where i can watch the match tonight? Love the site bu the way Ed's.. avid reader !
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Try wiziwig.tv :)
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Usagoals.com ALWAYS WORKS
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20 Nov 2012 08:56:13
where are all gaitan rumours gone?
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They've ceased thankfully. Talk about going for average players..!
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20 Nov 2012 08:33:24
How I think we'll start the match tonight...
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Rafael-Jones-Carrick-Buttner
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Young----Powell----Welbeck
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I'd expect maybe a switch to 4-4-2 in the second half with Cole coming on and hopefully Petrucci as well.
Andy!
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_________Lindegaard
Vermijl__Jones__Wooton__Buttner
__Cleverly__Fletcher__Powell
_Young___Chicharito__Welbeck
Seriously hoping however that Petrucci starts ahead of Young.
Fresh!
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I would agree with Fresh apart from Anderson in for Powell.
Oxred
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I think Jones will play RB Carrick CB and Ando for Powell
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20 Nov 2012 08:23:17
hamsik,defour,ganso,hernanes,filipe melo??? no one intrested in these players anymore???
REDCORE!!
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Another one, Ever Banega. He is a superb player, what happened to him?
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20 Nov 2012 07:53:56
Manchester united will continue there policy of trying to get the best ageing has beens with no legs, and will be attempting to lure david beckham back to old trafford!
If rumours are to be true this could also see a move to reunite beckham with gary neville down the right flank. The big stumbling block will be persuading neville to come out of retirement but the manager is confident that he can having already convinced 38year old paul scholes to come out of retirement by stating that he can still dominate games at his young age.
The transfer coupe will happen as the manager is still living in the past and wants to relive 1999 as much as possible and is reluctant to play any of his current crop of youngsters, therefore at 37 beckham would add even less pace in man utd's midfield and will suit there new style of play!!
G.N.G
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Lolss.. Good word mate.. Anything is possible. Nd compare to saf they r young lads.. So possible
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Great Post LMAOF
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! Excellent.
As soon as I read 'reunite beckham with gary neville down the right flank.' I almost spat my lunch out.
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20 Nov 2012 07:39:09
I'm from Slovenia and I'm coming to Manchester for the first time this weekend to watch qpr and then west ham...this is one of my wishes coming true :)
I really hope Ferguson don't mess the lineup so that I could see two wins and that I won't be leaving old trafford sad or angry
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You dont have to actually go to manchester to watch utd at old trafford. The 60,000 cockneys and brummies they get there for every home game have probably never even set foot in manchester.
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Bitter no name number 2, what a pathetic post, why the eds let that through ill never know.
GDS
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20 Nov 2012 06:48:08
Becks considering retirement from MLS. I know we dont need him at united(but i ll luv to c him in united shirt again) just want to see him back in PL.
ALL THE BEST TO BECKS
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His legs are worse than Giggs he's been shot for years
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Biggest difference is Becks can pass but still should be nowhere near a Utd shirt again.
I quite like his team mate Juninho though. I think he could do well over here.
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20 Nov 2012 05:11:23
is there anyone who can tell how good is federic veselli
the cb
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From what ive seen of him in the reserves he has a lot to learn,no-where near the 1st team and needs to improve dramatically to have a chance of making it at utd.
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Has potential... but is a long way from reaching it.
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20 Nov 2012 04:16:56
I originally thought we should be putting a team full of young players, but after having thought about it,Im not sure: on one hand we have already qualified and we dont need to win the game, but on the other hand we dont want the players to get a their a** handed to them, and we need to give the supporters some action.
Id rather keep DDG in goal, to keep us from guetting hammered should something unexpected happens, which is possible given our defensive record.
so instead of wooton, especially since jones is just coming back from injury, I would put evans on.
I would use fletcher and petrucci in the central midfield position, with Powell, Anderson and Young in the am position in a 4-2-3-1, and Welbeck up top on his own.
That way we have a healthy mix of experienced players and younger ones. If the game is going our way we can have Cole, tunicliffe and Wooton/ Thorpe on as the game progresses.
So the starting 11 :
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Vermijil---Jones---Evans/Chris---Buttner
-------------Fletcher----Petrucci----------
----Anderson---Powell----Young/Cole--
----------------Welbeck-------------------
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I agree that we can't just throw all the youngsters in at the deep end, i'd expect to see three or four youngster start with a couple more coming on as subs in the second half. I have a sinking feeling that we may see Carrick in defence as we haven't taken anyone experianced at all in defence( no Rio Smalling or Evans in the squad). Also DDG isn't in the squad so I expect we'll see Lindegaard in goal, which considering we'll have a young defence a slightly older head in goal could be a good thing.
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20 Nov 2012 13:19:19
checking the squad before posting would have been a good idea. I agree with you shappy. A bad result could have a bad effect on their development at this stage.
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Mick, the whole point of leaving Cleverley out on Saturday was so he could play tonight. Cleverley is almost certain to start.
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20 Nov 2012 15:11:55
yes syd, unfortunatly i think you re right. But he is not needed against gala, he was needed in the premier league. why giggs starts ahead of him is beyond me. Cleverley is easiely our best cm and should be first choice.
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So we left a young 23 year old out of a league match so he could be fresh for tonight.
there was a reason he was left out and thats not it
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Mick, The manager will want Cleverley, Jones, Rafael, Welbeck, Hernandez, Powell etc to get this game under their belts. This is great experience for them as it's such a challenging place to go.
No name, this is exactly why he never played against Norwich, Cleverley in case you haven't noticed lacks UCL experience and the manager has made it very clear that the young players that I have mentioned above will benefit from playing these games. Cleverley is still 1st choice and will play in all of our big games.
Sydney!
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20 Nov 2012 01:52:50
Would love a team like this tommorow think Fergie should give certain players a game as this game has no value to us. If he doesn't play them in this then when will he play them?
----------Johnstone
Vermijl----Jones---Wooton---Buttner
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Cole--------------------------Petrucci
------------Welbeck-----King------
This will let us taste some of the players to see if they actually have talent but the team will probably consist of lindegaard, rafael jones buttner fletcher anderson welbeck macheda cleverly
Sulei {Ed007's Note - Throwing in all of those young players in such a hostile environment should not, and will not, happen. Man Utd should be going out to win EVERY game, after last year's CL disaster the game has a lot of value to Utd and the fans. A mixture of youth and experience to help the youngsters is what's needed in a game like this. Your team would not win in Turkey.}
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Not about winning itsabout given these players experience and testing their grit.
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Good shout. I would play Fletcher in midfield with Anderson there. I would expect Smalling to play as he needs games. I think Lindegaard will be in goal. A 4-5-1 formation may also be favoured.
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Ed, I disagree, the game has zero value. Last year was a disaster because we got knocked out. The only important thing about tonight is that we don't get any players injured who might play Saturday.
This game actually means less than any carling cup game. You will see how many fans turn up for the cluj game how important these 2 champions league games are.
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Spot on Ed007, people need to realise that a 4.0 drilling in Istanbul could derail the youngsters progression, not help it. A mixture of both youth and experience would be better. I think a team like this will work.
__________Lindegaard
Rafael___Carrick__Jonah___Butts
___Clevers__Fletcher__Anders
__Young___Hernandez___Welbz
There was a reason Cleverley didn't start at the weekend. The manager was always going to give him Champions League experience midweek. An away game in Istanbul is a massive test and if the younger players can cope there they can cope anywhere. Players like Powell and Petrucci will learn a lot just sitting on the bench in a place like Turkey.
Sydney!
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Replace young with powell and play him behind chica and welbz and that would be the only change i would make to your team syd,i think powell could be thrown into this game by sir alex(or it could be me not wanting young to play)
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Bond is spot on with what he says. So you are happy to see Utd losing games GDS? Utd should be going out to win every game they play in no matter what competition it is. If Utd lose we will see how many people are on here moaning.
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