Manchester United Banter Archive September 20 2014

 

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20 Sep 2014 21:24:41
Just to show I'm here to take my medicine. Let it fly. We were that bad today I wouldn't know were to start. :'-(
Anyway I'm sure you'll enjoy your night, ta da for now lol

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20 Sep 2014 22:39:22
I think your honesty and bravery will spare you. All I will say is that losing 3 games already is pretty embarrasing and that you could of done with Di Maria.

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20 Sep 2014 23:24:28
Simon mate, we are far more interested in our games and results. If you guys lose its a bonus which might raise a smile.

As for you setting yourself up, well your the first scouser to come onto our page but like Blair, and all the others before you soon you will drift off much like Liverpools title challenges.

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Ouch!!

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21 Sep 2014 00:10:17
Top man Simon, honestly mean that.

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Well just back from London Boys ad was so tempted to catch the train to leicester for the game and extend my stay. I was one of the very few that said Liverpool will struggle this year and not surprised.

Let's see where are after 10 games. Do not be surprised to see them way off the pace. Last year the fairy gods had their back and very thing went right for them, this year will be different.

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20 Sep 2014 20:55:52
Well done chicharito, bagged a couple of beauties albeit against pretty duff opposition.

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Where did that left footed volley come from?

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20 Sep 2014 21:25:56
Both from outside the box as well!

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20 Sep 2014 20:29:47
Reading the posts a bit further down the page about posters from the past. By pure coincidence, I recently came across (no smutty comments please!) a seller on a well know internet auction site selling various items of "terrace" clothing. Hailing from Stockport, and going ny the name RAINFISHTROMBONE. Surely there cannot be more than one RFT?
Does that mean that Kloot is alive and well?

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20 Sep 2014 21:00:11
If he was selling "glazer dartboards" then there is a fair chance it could be him. Also there are people like, ports, onecut, paso, coalan, keiRon something. I even remember a "Clayton Blackmores tan" poster. I need to get out more.

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Could be but RFT always stated how he actually lived at Old Trafford, I think he resided in the Stretford end, if he's from Stockport then by his own rules he can't support United as its not within a 5 mile radius of the ground :/

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Alive, perhaps - but well? I don't think he was ever what I'd consider to be well!

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20 Sep 2014 19:35:43
Poor old scousers. I feel.genuinely sad after.that result. I think it would be very sporting of LvG to offer Brenda the services of a few United players, just to see them through their injury crisis . Oh yeah, silly me! None of ours would get in the team would they.

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LOL

Di Maria "might get in the Liverpool side".

:O)

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20 Sep 2014 21:17:56
Di Maria will not be getting in any side with lallana in samthered!

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20 Sep 2014 18:38:48
The mind boggles to think how bad Liverpool would've been if they had Rooney, rvp and mata playing in that 1st half lol.

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20 Sep 2014 19:42:54
Personally I think Di Maria 'might' have done a better job than Lucas in the diamond ;)

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I'm going to turn the lights down low, crack open a bottle of red and have a good old read of the Liverpool pages tonight, I'm sure it will be great entertainment.

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20 Sep 2014 20:29:29
He's got to force someone out first gav 😊

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21 Sep 2014 00:13:32
Lol beast I'm with u think there just cracking open second bottle of claret now!

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{Ed007's Note - (party)

20 Sep 2014 17:56:51
Just wondering if simonpw still thinks no MU players would get in the Liverpool team?

The 'Di Maria might get in' quote was particularly amusing

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20 Sep 2014 17:49:19
Eds
Not united related but does loanees playing against parent clubs depends on the contract or is it never allowed? Or do rules vary with leagues? Apparently hoffman who's on loan from dortmund to mainz is playing against dortmund.
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - It is not allowed by the FA - other leagues allow it under certain circumstances.}

20 Sep 2014 16:02:38
I know a certain member of the xmen who'd be particularly happy after DW's performance tonight.

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20 Sep 2014 16:16:21
People have been saying for a couple of weeks villa were going to get a hiding at some point. Ed1 was saying it on the Liverpool page last weekend. And arsenal do have a team capable of scoring a few past mediocre teams.

Regards welbeck the question still remains unanswered, can he do it consistently against good opposition. We won't know the answer till May.

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20 Sep 2014 15:58:48
As you know I have very good contacts at Everton. Fellini is considered to be the fittest player physically and mentally and yes he does live in Manchester but United have shown no interest which is a shame as he could do a good job. RAINFISHTROMBONE
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I do miss KLOOT's insightful views.

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20 Sep 2014 11:37:14
I'm glad Simonpw doesn't just judge Di Maria on one game, very noble of him. So is he judging him on being arguably the best player at Real last season or being one of the world cup finalist's finest players?
If I remember correctly both he and Big Al spoke favourably of Lallana's acquisition in comparison with Di Maria, before he had kicked a ball in a competitive game for Lfc? Which would have been based on what, a good season at Southampton and a few England caps?

We are all biased as fans to some degree but there are different levels of bias and then there is delusion ;)
I do make Simon right on one thing, I too think Di Maria 'might' get in the Lfc team. He would have to work hard to get in ahead of Markovic, Coutinho (great on his day but those days are rare) or Allen but I think he'd he'd get a few games here and there!

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I can honestly say I never compared Di Maria with Lallana. I have never questioned his pedigree or that of Falcao. My only point was that I would reserve my judgement on both until they had played games against better opposition in the Premiership which is the where they are going to play now.
I don't think that's biased or deluded. I do the same with our own players.
A squad of champions who don't play as a team will not win consistently as was proven last year.
If you can recreate the winning formula then who knows how far you can go.
I certainly am not naive enough to predict who's going to finish where at the start of the season.
I am as optimistic as the next guy as to where I hope that will be, but optimism and delusion are 2 different things.

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So the times he's destroyed Barca don't count?

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And Germany

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I think so Jred and Falcao will win that tussle. I can see RVP leaving in Jan as there are not many games where he will start if I am correct. RVP doesn't strike me as a happy benchwarmer.

This is why I think the Rooney decision is very short sighted, even the captain should be droppable. If Rooney has a mare and Falcao plays very well it is so wrong that RVP wouldn't replace Rooney for the next game, poor comments from the manager again, or foolish mentality either way.

Too much is being made of a captain if you ask me, just pick the end of the pitch and get on with it. Everyone should be a captain at this level.

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Ive been saying for a while rvp could leave for a number of reasons.
I fully understand why rooney was made captain i think its a long term view

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20 Sep 2014 12:05:44
I haven't seen a comment saying that Rooney is undroppable although the newspapers allude to it. What I have read is that lvg said that as captain Rooney has some more "priveleges" than other players but I could be wrong. That could mean he's allowed to stay up later on a week night. It's lvg's way in his opinion of best managing Rooney and I doubt that lvg will ultimately allow anyone have the privelege of not being dropped.

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"There are always players you put in a team. My captain shall always play and normally the goalkeeper."lvg

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20 Sep 2014 13:11:58
Yes jred but why not put the whole qoute on and not just a snippet.of course you play your club captain and you goalkeeper. Should we not have any other decent keepers either? Take note of the very first sentence. I don't think we should look to much into hiw the press report rhings.
Van Gaal said: “I don’t think any player is fixed.

“Only the captain has more privileges but no other player has privileges I think.

“Every player knows that because when you see how I manage my teams.

“There are always players you put in a team. My captain shall always play and normally the goalkeeper.”

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20 Sep 2014 13:17:21
But of course the captain is always going to play, unless injured. Now whether or not the right man got the job is a different matter but given the lack of choice and van gaals preference for a British player as captain narrowed it to a field of 1. Rooneys moaned about squad quality, now he has players around him like Mata, di Maria, Falcao so its on him to deliver.

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Supasub
So you play your captain.
Whats your point

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20 Sep 2014 14:13:32
Jred the op sort of seems to suggest to me that lvg has said that Rooney is undroppable or as some press reports suggest a "garaunteed" starter. Lvg hasn't really said that according to his qoute. "I don't think any player is fixed" is his first sentence. Beast has said it's a foolish qoute by the manager but if you read what lvg said then it is a normal statement. We must not forget he is a foreign manager and might not exactly use the correct wording all the time but I know what he means and it's not really stupid or foolish.

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Supasub
So do we ignore lvg saying my captain always starts?
By the way lvg was asked could rvp and falcso play in the same team

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He fluent in English Supasub hardly didn't know what to say

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20 Sep 2014 15:48:55
Come on jred. I'm not saying ignore it, just that whoever your captain is, they will generally play virtually all games, important ones anyway. Rooney happens to be the club captain. If someone else is captain and playing when Rooney isn't then the captain is still playing. Isn't he just stating the obvious. I find it hard to believe that someone as experienced as lvg is going to reveal his way of thinking to the press in any great depth. I think too much is being made of what has been said that's all. "And normally the goalkeeper", has almost a hint of sarcasm to it. When would a goalkeeper not play? What was lvg's response to wether Falcao & rvp can play in the same team?

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20 Sep 2014 15:52:33
I realised jred that I've already read about what lvg said about rvp and Falcao playing together and januzaj, Wilson etc. What is wrong with what lvg said about the subject? I don't get it?

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20 Sep 2014 16:13:26
To me nowhere does he say Rooney is undroppable. All he says is the captain always plays, which is true. You always have a captain, might not always be the same guy as injuries happen but whoever has the armband plays. But he never mentioned any player by name as his captain.

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Supasub
I don't get your point.
Look at any team 99 times out of a 100 the captain and the first choice keeper starts.

Lvg has said the captain and keeper starts

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20 Sep 2014 17:06:34
Matas beard. I know he is fluent in English and so are a lot of my relatives in Sweden. It doesn't mean they use the correct words all the time as English has many words that does not exist in other languages. The press are now suggesting that he has said that Rooney is undroppable and guaranteed to play which isn't exactly what he said. Jred, I feel like I'm having a disagreement with you but we are both saying the same thing. I'm confused.

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20 Sep 2014 17:17:28
In my eyes, the captain, when fit, should be a player who always plays, unless he hits a truly awful patch of form. That said, Rooney wasn't the right choice for captain, he blows hot and cold too much, when he is good he can be very good, when he is bad he is truly awful. Also, he can take a while to get back on form, especially if he is out for a few games injured. It should, for me, be a top quality CM or CB, a Vidal or a Hummels.

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Supasub
Thats you and me both.
As far as i can tell rooney is our captain and like captains at other teams will start most games .
i think lvg has confirmed this, which is just the norm no big surprise
So does that mean that one of our attacking options is spoken for ?
Imo probably yes,
If that is the case is it a fight between rvp and falcao and probably mata with one of them being the odd one out and dropped to the bench.
again i would say yes and that is the question beast had responded to in his OP

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20 Sep 2014 19:46:30
Sorry jred, I apologise if that's the case. I think your right because of the lower amount of games we have this season even more so because of the carling cup exit unless say Rooney gets injured. I still suspect Rooney will pick up niggles here and there as will rvp and Falcao. Hopefully and I think we will be in cl league next season we will need the same calibre and number of forwards next season so it's important to keep them all happy particularly this season.

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20 Sep 2014 09:25:08
Hey guys, chelsea fan in peace.

I saw a little down you were having discussions about players as strikers.

A lot said none of your strikers would displace costa, is this you guys saying Costa is a better striker than RVP and Falcao? Or saying that Falcao or RVP wouldn't displace Costa?

Because I do believe Falcao and RVP (maybe ) are better than costa, but none are in better form.

Thanks guys, do you reckon Costa is the better player than both.

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I d have Costa over Rvp but would prefer Falcao to Costa with Chelseas style of play both would score lots of goals you have to admit the team is built around Fabregas and Costa and you do look impressive

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All 3 are good strikers

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20 Sep 2014 09:59:23
Costa is the best striker in europe right now on form! But I think our 3 are better when on form 😊

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20 Sep 2014 10:02:38
Lets not forget falcao kept costa on bench when he was at athletico

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{Ed002's Note - I think you will find that they spent one season together at AM with Costa playing more games in total.}

20 Sep 2014 10:11:18
Anon,

Think you have hit the nail on the head. This website is full of people who watch the last match and make their opinion on a player. RVP has a bad couple of matches and people are saying sell him. Costa has a few good games and people are saying he is the best thing since sliced bread. Sometimes when players come to the premier league they can look amazing for a few months until managers start to work them out and mark them out of the game. Then they have to show their real ability by adapting to that situation.

A good example for me would be Papiss cisse, he scored in almost every game when he first signed for Newcastle, people were saying he could sign for a top team, and where is he now? As soon as managers worked him out he stopped scoring goals and struggled to even get chances.

I am not saying Costa will be the same, he might be the best striker ever to play in the premier league, but with a ratio of 7 in 4 he is on for a total of 63 league goals this season, which is just never going to happen.

I think a player needs to prove himself over a couple of seasons before he can be judged properly, but there is no doubting you have a player on your hands capable of scoring enough goals to win you the premier league this season, it's just how soon managers and defenders work him out.

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Aron.

I think most of our fans would rather Falcao than Costa, the debate was mainly centred around whether Rooney or RVP would be picked ahead of Costa because Fresh said Di Maria, Falcao, Mata, RVP & Rooney would get into our rivals teams. I disagreed with that, I believe only Falcao & Di Maria would get into our rivals teams, (City & Chelsea).

Costa is now better than RVP in my eyes.

To be fair we haven't seen enough of Falcao recently to say who is better currently, but the fact that he kept Costa out of Athletico's team would suggest he is the better player, time changes things but I would rather Falcao than Costa if my life depended on it.

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I personally never understand the better player discussions. Managers look at much more than just who's the better players. They look at who fits their system the best. Skills and finishing asides, Costa is perfect for managers like simeone and JM because he has a very physical approach that they need in their strikers. I'm not saying he's not technically good or skillful but that he has that one quality that thise managers look for. This is also why he seems to struggle in Spain's system.

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Costa is the perfect player for Chelsea only drawback is if he gets injured there's no one to replace him.
RVP has yet to get going Falcao we will need to wait and see if he is over his injury and how he adapts, luckily united have four good to great strikers whereas Chelsea don't

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20 Sep 2014 11:02:58
Costa is made for Chelsea's style so it's a bit unfair to judge whether anyone would displace him there.
All 3 are top strikers like jred said, if you had all 3 as a manager it would be a very difficult choice which one to leave out and they would all get games.
It's clear some poster's judge players almost purely on form.

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Is this a wind up?, all 3 are excellent and Costa is new to the league hence why he has 7 in 4.

Id still chose Rvp and Falcao over Costa as Rvp has been scoring goals in the last few years and we all know what Falcao can do.

But to be fair there is not much of a difference in ability its about which players takes his chances when given.

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Great point GDS2 - I think you can add Benteke, Hernandez, Michu even Carroll to that list off the top of my head. One season wonders for one reason or another but hailed as the best thing since sliced bread at the time.

Costa will prove to be a step above imo, but if I were a Chelsea fan I would be very worried about this hamstring he has been carrying since the end of last season, it doesn't bode well for him that he can't shake off those types of strains.

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20 Sep 2014 11:38:14
It'll be interesting because Falcao is the smarter, more instinctive striker with a better touch and better finishing but Costa is fantastic physically, very powerful player which we know helps a lot in PL.

Costa has hit the ground running, i'll be surprised if he can keep it up throughout the season though.

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20 Sep 2014 11:54:21
Beast,

Think it's a bit unfair to put Benteke in that list he had a great season then ruptured his achillies tendon and hasn't really played. He looked great for AV and Belgium, I don't think he's going to be just a one season wonder player.

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It's fair to say Ozwald all the rest are one season wonders though Benteke is extremely talented even better than Lukaku if you ask me and Belgium could of done with him at the world cup

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20 Sep 2014 16:31:47
Should have known cisse would score today after that, should have had a bet!

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19 Sep 2014 17:09:20
Ed's just a quick question. Can you tell if kloot still visits the page or is a different poster? Just thought you might know from ip's or however it works. Also what happened to lfc, Blair mayne, Ken Aguero, tel 1949, gooner, melbourne, even marcellus lately? Sorry if I've missed anyone out. Just realised I haven't seen any of those names (off the top of my head) for a while. Missing the banter because this Davey boy blue just isn't up to standard. Can we trade him in for someone more mentally challenging?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no way of answering these questions. Contrary to popular belief I do not control the internet and have visibility of all folks movements. What controls I do have are limited - by the way, you need to turn off your web cam or put some clothes on.}

20 Sep 2014 09:26:55
I'm afraid I can't ed. It's the weekend and if I did put some clothes on I would upset my 8 wives and not be able to show them my party trick where I hold the fabric ears out wide and it makes an elephant sound.

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I do miss kloot's rambling posts and the ever so popular glazer puppet vibe at anyone who disagreed with him. Correct me if I'm wrong but was there a poster a few years back called seagulls who just spurted none sense too, a lot of them just leave after the transfer window shuts and never come back. Miss old zee too.

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20 Sep 2014 12:13:11
Yes, gan/ngiak? Rainfishtrombone? Moon? Where is the page mascot Sydney? Is he on one of his £9.50 sun holidays? Sad that I remember some of these names. Looking forward to the game tomorrow though.

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20 Sep 2014 12:38:45
Rainbow fish trombone was kloot 😊

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20 Sep 2014 13:14:16
Thanks ctr my memory isn't great for identifying posters mayne that's why that name cam into my head too.

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I also kind of miss Percy! That guy sure liked Nani

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Percy was worse than Beast is with welbz

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