Manchester United Banter Archive April 21 2013

21 Apr 2013 23:10:07
During a week where United have shown there class by rembering the victims of Hillsboro it is astonishing that a former Liverpool captain can sit on MOTD and say that Suarez hasn't hurt anyone. Hansen has made a fool of himself by trying to trivialise a professional footballer biting another. Ivanovic was hurt for a start! The thing that is most galling is that the same pundit defended rascism, defended Suarez' refusal to apologise and defended his refusal to shake Evras hand. Suarez has history, his handball in the second half would point to that of a serial cheat. Add Ghana in the World Cup, biting Bakkal and you wonder what he has to do to feel the wrath of some ex Liverpool players. Souness could teach his former colleague a lesson or two. Cantona kicked a fan and rightly paid the price for that. He was provoked, that's not an excuse but an explanation. Suarez and Ivanovic hadn't had a altercation beforehand, you can see from his face that Suarez completely lost the plot. It would be one hell of an embarrassment if he wins player of the year! Despite being Uniteds main rival, Liverpool are a proper club with a great history and countless world class players have pulled on their shirt. I wonder what Bill Shankley would do with someone like Suarez. The FA must surely hand out a lengthily ban and a massive fan. They failed to act when he has blatantly unrepentant in numerous interviews after he served his rascism ban, he recently said he would do all he could to win, he would dive, cheat and have no conscious. I remember a certain captain being banned for suggesting he intentionally injured a fellow pro! Let's see what excuse those lovely Liverpool fans make for Suarez now. Perhaps biting is a sign of love and affection in Uruguay!

Big G {Ed002's Note - The point must be that before the sentence is passed things must be allowed to settle, be considered and then allowed to run their course. Suarez is a very good footballer but also a dumb jerk. None of this is anything to do with Canotona or Manchester United.}

My point about Cantona was that United acted swiftly and issued him with a fine and ban which the FA then added to. When the dust settles the evidence is there for all to see the sort of man Suarez is. I'm a very good decorator but if I go and bite my clients in the morning I won't be given time to let things settle. Cantona and his Kung fu will be brought up by countless Liverpool fans in the days ahead thus making the issue relevant to both United and Cantona!

Big G

The point is Big G that Manchester Utd are no better (or worse) for defending a players (or players) for doing disgusting things, on the pitch or in theie private lives. Its just mud slinging. Suarez will be fined and banned and that is the end of it. Football and a lot of footballers think they are above rebuke. They certainly are not some one you would have your children look up to.

The Irish Rover

Irish rover I completely agree. Football needs to take a serious look at what goes on. Post match Rodgers refused to comment and Benitez wouldn't either as he wants to be loved by Liverpool fans. I have a 6 yo daughter who was able to tell me that biting is wrong. Ex players and staff refuse to take a stand for what is right, particularly if it involves their own team. I was gutted when Giggs was revealed as a serial cheat, Tiger Woods the same. Sport in general needs to eradicate this thuggish and morally wrong behaviour.

21 Apr 2013 22:13:39
Hi not much of a rumour, just an observation, looking through the annual Sunday Times Rich List.

Coleen Rooney features on her own in the under 30s list, but no sign of her husband, maybe an oversight by the writers, unless they know something we don't.

Earning 250k a week it's hard to imagine he's lost it all, but with no other income from sponsors other than Nike and previous rumours of gambling problems, could be something in this.

Chaps the Red

21 Apr 2013 20:34:23
Suarez dinner menu
sean wright fillets
kerim frei'd egg
chocolate mossa dembele
kellogs all bran-islav
bacary lasagne
wes brownies
zak whitbread
pepe-roni
dimitar burgertov
patrick berger
david wheater-bix
phil lahm chop
and a ice cream kone for dessert!


ms85

Best post I've seen for ages!

Pepper rooney piza
kkieran ribs
andy casserole
peter odem chicken wingies
johndenton

Super lols!

ts87

Should we really be talking about the whole Suarez issue? I mean - is there really a need to bite? ;)

You forgot Pear Mertesacker?

You forgot paulo one-chop

Rk16

21 Apr 2013 20:09:05
Interesting season yet with lots of twists. Hopefully we wrap up things tomm, however what is quite interesting is that how we decide to play the last 4 games will have a major impact on the outcome of the top 4.

I reckon if we beat Arsenal or Chelsea either team will be in trouble and Spurs should lock in one of the spots. If Spurs beat wig a away next week, Chelsea could miss out if we beat them at OT.

Shahram

21 Apr 2013 18:12:32
Ed002, you suggested earlier that Utd have a deal in place for a new manager to take over in the next couple of years. Tried searching for that post but it wasn't to be found. Can you give us a clue as to who that might be? {Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

Its Sydney! with Shappy as number 2.

21 Apr 2013 21:12:30
Shhhh that's sensitive info;-) lol.

Blanc

21 Apr 2013 22:39:15
i'd heard it was kloot

Ed002, can I ask just one question regarding the next manager?

Do you think it's a good choice? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Syd, there is a long way to go.}

21 Apr 2013 16:00:11
Question for the eds and everyone else,
if spurs lose bale, do u think that AVB will go after rodriguez of porto. given his porto connection. What are the chances that this will impact his decision to come to us, assuming we are interested at that point. {Ed002's Note - No.}

21 Apr 2013 18:48:35
Does anyone konw if we get the trophy after game if/ when we beat villa? United99

Last game of season at ot against swansea

21 Apr 2013 19:08:53
The presenttation will most likely be the Swansea game.

Yh we do.

Then a guard of honour by arsenal fans at the emirates.

TRUMORS

Very very unlikely.

Rudderpost

Cheers chaps I thought as much just i'm taking my lad tmoz but will still b another great memory from the theatre for his I was there roll call. Bloody love united and our stalwart fans. United99

Like arsenal fans will do that Manchester United will get booed on

Watford gooner

21 Apr 2013 18:23:20
Looks as though RVP myt just get his guard of honour at the emirates. Am also encouraged by SAF comments regarding Lewandowski, it appears he hasn't given up and even says (in a way) it'd be a bidding between us and Bayern!
Hopefully they'll persue Suarez, and get the bite. Then we'll be left with Lewy ;)

21 Apr 2013 17:50:59
LOL, think we need to get the Suarez shirts back out, he obviously isn't being fed.

JK92

21 Apr 2013 17:32:07
Just seen Lector Suarez take a chunk out of Ivanovic's arm, will the FA take retrospective action or will they be true to form and say there was no arm in it?
Raffa

Haha, nice post

Suarez took Rodgers' "lets get under their skin" speech a bit too literally. Its all cultural differences and a case of lost in translation I suppose. ;)

REDFAITH

"Luis when I said I wanted more bite in attack. "

Before anyone slates Suarez, it is common for people of Uruguay to bite people on a football field.

FA have ordered Liverpool to install shark nets for next season.
Raffa

Syd, spot on.
That'll be the defence 'he didn't know any better'
Superdils

Sydney! - thought it was Papua New Guinea where that was "cultural".
Wonder what Liverpool team will wear on their Tshirts this time?

21 Apr 2013 17:28:47
Anybody see Haniball having a bite, must be that liverpool spirit, if you can't beat them, bite them.



Shahram

You'll never chomp alone.

I AM FLUTE

Well he did say earlier today that he wanted to stay at Liverpool next year so he could have another bite at the cherry.

Danny Pughnited

If you can't beat them, eat them!

ALDUtd

21 Apr 2013 16:43:25
Not wanting to get ahead as we still have a job to do. But at the moment who's in line for a title medal and those that aren't how many games do they need? If we beat villa I can see a bit of rotation over the last few games.

I don't want rotation vs Arsenal and Chelsea, we should go all out and beat those 2 teams.

Would be nice if couple of youngsters gets a chance

21 Apr 2013 16:17:57
Guys don't worry bout big signings this summer. Av heard scholes is gunna sign a new deal

21 Apr 2013 15:33:54
Today saf spoke of bayerns interest in lewy and said he may join them because of strikersat his disposal. I will definatly prefer him over hernandez and welback. And even above rooney looking at his current form ( I m a huge rooney fan) but I think considering improvment of team quality, we should go hard to win his signature. Because I fear if its not for rvp this season we would have struggled.

Further to add. saf said team need very little touching. But all we know. We need 2 midfielders. One left back and if possible a regular center back who can impose himself like vidic.
So that's quite worrying sentence used by him. I know he won't say we need this and that. but we all fear his no value in the market stuff.

Rodio17

I hope rooney doesn't go, he's our best player.

I hope he is not being serious and does some business early in the window.

Shahram

When will people learn to ignore everything SAF says about transfers.

Sydney!

Well. Definitely you can't expect him saying he will strengthen these positions and who his targets will be.
He knows what he is doing

21 Apr 2013 15:28:58
Lets win the title tomorrow lads. I'm sure SAF is going for the kill.

21 Apr 2013 15:27:21
Anyone else looking forward to tomorrow night?
Must get the job done!

Del Boy!

21 Apr 2013 15:23:40
Mancini are you listening?
keep the trophy glistening.
PS: take a last look at it too.
Raone

21 Apr 2013 15:22:50
Champagne anyone :)

Shahram

Told you there was nothing to worry about Shahram.

Can we hear the flappers sing, I can't hear a f***ing thing, wow wow wow wow.

We had a the same way, 7 points from the Villa/Westham/stoke. I guess we still need to win tomm but pretty sure we will get it done.

I did not think spurs would beat them and had it for a draw with us needing a win at Arsenal to wrap it up. I loved the way the Spurs midfield runs with the ball and opens up the wings. Wish we had some of that ourselves.

Shahram

21 Apr 2013 15:07:47
You faaaaackinnnnnng beauty.

Sydney!

21 Apr 2013 13:40:20
Aguerro stamps on a player last week and nothing happens.
Today, nasri has just gone in with studs showing and ref did not even book him.
How can our refs miss these tackles?
Nomidfield

That tackle from Nasri was a straight red, cowards challenge. Walker was lucky not to break his leg there.

Why did the forth official not do anything?! It was right in front of him!

Nomidfield. The refs miss these tackles because they are wearing blue. Look up "David Bernstein" on Wiki. All will become clear.

21 Apr 2013 13:09:06
The comparison with Carrick was generous, but to compare Cleverley to Scholes is ridiculous. I'm fairly ambivalent about Cleverley, he has done nothing of note so far and he may or may not go on to have a long career, I hope he does. But it is comparisons to Scholes and the dissing of players like Phil Neville that hacks me off. Love Cleverly if you but stop with the fawning admiration. He is yet to earn it

21 Apr 2013 15:21:49
Who's fawning? I'm just sick of personal attacks on a player who has done nothing to deserve such hatred from his own clubs fans. His own clubs fans. MrE

21 Apr 2013 08:23:23
Did nobody see the article in the mail a couple of weeks ago that identified Cleverley as the player with the highest win rate in the premier league EVER.

His win rate is 87%.

I find the bitching and comparisons with Phil Neville rediculous.

It simply cannot be a coincidence that we have won so many games, and that he continues to be picked for united and England.

For me the comparisons with Carrick are correct. They are similar in that they both to about their work in an understated way whilst having a huge impact in the games they play. Carrick is underrated by many because he doesn't stand out, but lauded by a few few because he has always been massively effective.

You can call Cleverley a poor mans Wilshere but where are Arsenal in the league?

People can say what is it that Cleverley is good at, the answer is that be is good at winning games.

I also thinking there is a comparison to be made with scholes, who is celebrated as the greatest midfielder of his generation now but that wasn't the case during his career. Remember him having to play on the left wing for England?

I think that people should look at our win rate, our position in the league and the number of appearances that Cleverley has made this year and recognise that as nothing short of phenomenal for a young English midfielder in what is actually his first proper season on the side.

Lies, damn lies and statistics

The Cleverley that Ginja Ninja describes is not the one I have seen on the pitch. Decent player, passes safe but lacks influence defensively, physically and in goal scoring terms as well. Good squad player but is not at a level that would or should get him in our team as first choice. Would he really get in as first choice in any of the other competing teams to us either in England or Europe?
Give me Wilshire any day
He doesn't compare with Scholes, as the song goes he scores goals and unlike Cleverley can or could pass more than 10 yards. At Cleverleys age he should be more established but isn't. To me the comparison should be to Kagawa yet Kagawa is a far better player and will almost certainly play more than Cleverley.

There is a strong tendency on here to overrate our players and Cleverley is the one getting it at the moment. We should accept he is a decent player but no world beater. It all comes down to ambition, if we want to be in finals in Europe and at home we need top quality and we don't have it at the moment in several areas, sadly Tom isn't the answer.

Red Man

21 Apr 2013 10:00:15
There seems to be this huge hang up with Cleverley due to his age. He has spent the best part of THREE years out injured since he was 17. that's three years of development he has missed. If he was 20 atm would people be writing him off? Because he is at the same stage as most 20 year olds are in terms of his development.

For gods sake give the lad a chance.

I think Cleverley is a very good player. He will be a very important player for us in a season or two.
With the likes of Kagawa, RVP in the team now, I guess Cleverley would be more effective in the coming seasons.

Comparing cleverley to scholes! Scholes could pass forward, long, short, first touch, score goals. There simply is no comparison. Cleverley passes sideways then holds his arms down requesting the ball to be passed back to him, what is the point of that? He hardly ever picks a killer pass, in fact, I can't remember one this year?
As I said yesterday, will any of city, Chelsea, arsenal or spurs want him in their midfield? There goes your answer. He is an average player and that's that.
Nomidfield

Shappy

The lad has every chance, if he is good enough. Whatever is said on here is opinion but doesn't make any difference to team selection. Sorry but I won't be brow beaten into saying he is good enough to be a world beater if I don't think he is or will be one. He is a United player and gets my support but I don't see him playing a major key role in the biggest games.
If we want to be at the top we have to have top players in key positions, midfield being one and Tom is a decent player but not top level.

The age thing is to a point irrelevant but he has not yet displayed the level of talent needed to take charge of our midfield whether he be 23 or 20 His impact is not there nor was it there when he played for other teams on loan. Good decent performances but not ones that make him desirable to other big clubs. It is all about opinions but when we need a defining midfield player most Cleverley is too tired or jaded to be it. How old was Keane when he arrived here? 22, and when did he not play because he was jaded? We need a Keane now not a Cleverley and Tom can't play that role. I appreciate Cleverley for his industry but the quality just isn't there in a sufficient level.

Red Man

21 Apr 2013 11:28:52
Red Man there's also a massive tendency to under value our players. Look at fletcher, evans etc. I guess it goes back to cows in fields. NoMidfield as someone pointed out yesterday how many of city or chelsea's midfield would get in the real, bayern or barca teams? Not many. Cleverley would certainly get into spurs side. He'd get games at arsenal as he's a type of player they need and he plays well with wilshire. I also rate him higher than barry and milner and rodwell so think he'd have a chance at city. Like it or not he's a united player and will be for several years. He's certainly a handy option for the squad. I think if you want to go and abuse players in the squad then there are bigger targets sat there on bigger wages doing less than cleverley. MrE

Stats says that when mr. Lulu is in the stadium, united win all the games.
So I think if possible we should play him being lucky mascot.

Stats never reveal anything in real. Wake up.

Rodio17