Manchester United Banter Archive April 21 2014

 

Use our rumours form to send us manchester united transfer rumours.


21 Apr 2014 22:50:55
I know he has been our week link in defense but you really have to admire Evra. I was surprised that he voted for Suarez for player of the yr this yr and last. I think it shows the character of the man, and he really has been a warrior for us. He needs to be replaced but still sad to see him go as well as Vidic. 2 of Fergie's best buys.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Agree with you there. Although Evra has been a woeful defender for the past couple seasons, you have to admire his attitude and passion for the club.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 19:51:52
Do we think there is any truth in the Goetze to.utd rumour or is someone having a laugh. If any truth I would be happy with it considering he seems to be close to Reus to. Get them both in. or all fiction!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - I assume it is something on Twitter.}

21 Apr 2014 18:33:06
Obviously there's been a lot said about Welbeck potentially leaving and with it reported by the beeb, who don't exactly participate in idle rumours or gossip, I'd reckon there's a high probability that he's at least unsettled.

That said, making the assumption he would leave, who would people here most want him to go to? As a proper United lad I know we'd all want the best for him regardless.

Personally I'd want to see him go to Southampton; firstly they are not direct rivals. Secondly they have shown a clear ability to nurture developing talent over the years and could help reach his potential. Thirdly it would be nice to see him develop among other young English players which would help with the posterity of quality of the national team. Fourthly it might help with a potential deal for Shaw, I know people talk about swaps but they're very rare; but it could still help with preferential agreements and fostering better transfer relations between the clubs. Fifth, I honestly can't think of a better club for him to go to in order to develop further, at least not in England and he's unlikely to get approached by the top foreign teams.

That's my take on the whole thing, but what does anyone else reckon? Also what do people think he'd go for? I'd say no more then £15 million in all likelihood.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

I genuinely think a move abroad would be more beneficial. I think it would improve him as a footballer; sharpen up the areas of his game where he is currently lacking.

Agree0 Disagree0

I think a move anywhere would be great :)

Agree0 Disagree0

Hi Raiden. Yes, send him to Saints because when he plays with Lambert he looks a world class player but when he plays with Rooney he looks rubbish-but then so does Sturridge! What is it I am saying? Have a look at the assist stats. for Lambert and Suarez and it will become clear.
Not direct rivals? Probably not because whilst we might finish ONE place below Utd this season what was the situation last season-ie. who is on the up and who is not?

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 17:35:48
Over the course of the latter part of the season I've been reading a lot about the RVP or Rooney debate and so thought I would add my two penneth. Firstly I don't think either of them are worth keeping and if we aren't careful in a season or two we could be in a similar position as we are currently with our midfield.

Rooney, is only in it for the money and I think Mr Moyes has created a noose for our own necks by giving him a new deal. By this I mean, that his performances of late don't seem to be as sparkling and briming with desire as they were on the run up to his new contract. that's not to mention his disastrous first touch that has been evident since the last world cup. Basically, the boy has been riding high on reputation and the red shirt for quite some time. The problem here is, who would want him or could even afford him?

Now to RVP. I have to say, what a fantastic player. The only problem, and I'm sure many Gooners will back me up here, he cannot be relied upon for a whole season. How do you keep this guy from the medics table? Also, he's not getting any younger.

As for Wellbeck and Chicharito, well pfftt. neither of them is going to be a world class striker.

So to sum up, in my humble opinion, we may also need to be looking at strikers as well as a new midfield and defence. The future's bright. :-)

Believable0 Unbelievable0

21 Apr 2014 17:58:19
Unfortunately we have too much with the defence and midfield to do this summer without going after expensive strikers it can keep till next summer and sort it then. Prioritise left back and centremid, get a centre back in and flog Rooney to fund Reus or that ilk. Keep van persie for another season and have Wilson learn then next summer look for a big and striker.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 17:19:35
Ed002, as you know I posted on the thread about the Asian market. I see it has been removed. Hope it didn't cause you any hassle?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Seemingly some supporters have issues BS. Not your problem, but thanks.}

Probably one of many threads you could do without right now anyway ed :)
I am sure the site is about to go ballistic any time soon if the Moyes rumours are true. Have a nice day :)

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - You need the Other page for that BS.}

Yeah ok Ed002, I was just referring to the potentially massive volume of posts coming your way in general, but ai take your point.

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - Syd's already told us who is replacing him so the subject is closed.}

Ed 002 - Did anyway answer my question about Kags? I popped out for a bit, came back and read the about some problems, so just wondering what happened as my initial post was a genuine question about whether Kagawa staying would be more to than just footballing reasons and if so how valuable is that market?

If you don't post this no worries as don't want to open up any can of worms you have since closed.

Agree0 Disagree0

LOL ed, at least that is one topic decided then . Only problem now if we are to have a new manager, that would almost certainly mean we are back to.square one with transfer targets as anew manager would have his own ideas (unless a certein red nosed legend were to come in as caretaker?). That would mean a whole load of new "fantasy football teams for you and the other eds to have to get through. Nightmare :)

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 16:54:28
For one of the eds, I don't post often but use the site at least once a day and was just wondering how I see my profile if I haven't posted?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.}

You can click the "my account" button at the top, but this site is not like where you have your own page, it's one set of pages that we all post on and reply to, the sign on is only to control who can and can't post, if you follow the rules you can post away, if not, they can remove your account and you won't be able to post.

Agree0 Disagree0

Sorry ed I didn't word that very well, but thankyou Thomas:-)

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 11:31:22
Do any of the Eds know is there any chance we will sell Rooney this summer?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - We can't answer questions with "any chance" in them.}

I hope to God we do. If Chelsea are foolish enough to sign him he will undoubtedly add to their shrewd striker signings: Shevchenko, Torres, Crespo. Rooney will be certainly added to that list.

Agree0 Disagree0

Ed, do you know if Chelsea still retain an interest in Rooney? I know the player has signed a new long term contract, but that means very little if Rooney and / or United are open to a move elsewhere. Having said that it does appear that Rooney now wants to stay here, and break Sir Bobby Charlton goals record.

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - No, Chelsea are actively looking at and talking to other players as they are looking to possibly replace Torres, Ba, Eto'o and Lukaku this summer.}

Ed002, Is it true that ideally Chelsea would want Costa and Cavani?

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - The position a few months ago was that they wanted two out of Costa, Cavani and Falcao. But the injury to Falcao has pushed him out of the picture a little.}

Cavani's performance over 2 legs wasn't that great.

Would that force Chelsea to re-consider?

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}

21 Apr 2014 11:30:47
Ed, I'm going to assume that Gotze wanting a move to us is rubbish? Anti Pep and Madrid fan boys?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Twitter is it?}

21 Apr 2014 14:32:08
Hi Guys

Maybe a conversation starter.
As the end of the season is getting closer which players will get Player of the Year and Young player.
For me it is David De Gea and Adnan.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

De Gea by more than a mile.

Januzaj for sure.

Agree0 Disagree0

Hi Bazza.

I agree with your thoughts and I think most fans will. But how about this question:

Aside from those two players (DDG & Jan) which of our squad deserve to play for Utd next season on this years performances?

I would say, Welbeck, just. It says something when I can genuinely only think of 3 players this season that have not gone backwards, or improved sufficiently to be worthy of a place next season. Horrific.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 14:52:35
There the only two in the running really.

Agree0 Disagree0

Tom Cleverley deserves it, it's not his fault he has to play with dimwits like Fletcher, Carrick and Fellaini who make him look shocking.

Agree0 Disagree0

I would have to agree with those 2 without a doubt. i'm glad we stuck by de gea. We knew we had a world class talent he just needed to get rid of the nerves and pressure that comes with being a young man in a strange country with a big price tag. He looks worth every penny now :) our season could have looked worse without him. I can't think of anyone else who has stood out apart from these 2.

Agree0 Disagree0

You could have asked the same question last year because even though we were champions most of the squad had patchy to poor seasons. Carrick, Rafael, De Gea and RVP (in the first part of the season in particular), were truly worthy of the shirt.

The writing has been on the wall. Last year we flattered to deceive.

To me what is most alarming is that other clubs are producing better young talent. Shaw, Coleman, Barclay, Sterling, Lallana etc etc. I think there uis something inherently amiss with the set-up when United players are sending their kids to the City academy.

This year, under Brendan Rodgers, Liverpool have proved what SAF proved year after year - just spending money will not necessarily win you anything. They have a great blend between talented youngsters, experience, and a coupe of notable imports. It's a team game and the manager is the fundamental basis of success.

Strong rumours that Moyes is about to be fired. Couldn't happen too soon as far as I'm concerned. There really is no way back from this.

Agree0 Disagree0

Rest assured, cleverly needs no help at all to look shocking!

Agree0 Disagree0

Yes exactly Peashooter, we were pretty awful last year, but we had bottle and teams feared us still.

We did ok in the CL this year because Sociedad, Shakhtar and Leverkusen (Olympiakos at OT), played against the name. Next time we are in Europe it won't be the same as European teams will have figured out what the PL has, but we have to get there first before concerning ourselves with thatI suppose.

I'm hoping the taxi is called for Moyes today, it can't carry on.

Agree0 Disagree0

I think Rooney could be a contender for player of the year as well as de Gea.

I've also been impressed with how Buttner seems to have developed, especially in the 2nd half of the season so would put him for a contender for young player. Adnan hasn't done much in recent months and looked out of his depth against Munich, wheras Buttner played v well against them.

Agree0 Disagree0

Scrub the Buttner suggestion. I just remembered he is 25 so hardly a 'young player', just inexperienced. I still think he's come on well tho.

Agree0 Disagree0

Rooney? Really? God help us if that is the best we can do. Not sure about DDG either, bearing in mind he threw one into the ney which ultimately cost us a final.

I struggle tonominatenamyoje who has been consistently good this year which says it all really. I'm not trying to be provocative, just saying it as I see it. The fact we have no one nominated for player of young player of the year is telling, I doubt any of our players will make the PFA player of the year either.

Agree0 Disagree0

Player of the year? FELLAINI for believing all the hype about Utd and living up to his price tag

Young player of the year? POWELL for moving to Wigan on loan and thus protecting himself whilst the flatscreen hit the fan

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 13:56:17
(banter please)

I was sitting up late last night thinking about the different systems we could use that would get the best out of our players'; but until we know what the squad will look like after this summers transfer window, it is all speculation.

I suspect that Kagawa will leave in the summer. I don't want the guy to leave, but we can't have three quality players' all wanting to play in the same position. Then we have the whole RVP/Rooney issue. It seems to me that Moyes' wants them both in the side, so that sort of limits the scope for using Mata in his natural position, unless Moyes is looking to play a variant of the 4141 system that Munich use so effectively.

After yesterdays performance it is patently obvious that we need penetration in the team. I think Adnan can offer us that, but we need some else like Reus who could operate on the other side of the pitch.

The lad Carvalho, if signed, we make a huge difference. His sheer power and energy would help massively, and stop situations like we saw yesterday, where the opposition team breaks on us like a hot knive through butter.

The situation isn't ideal, but maybe with some top signings in the summer, we might actually begin to see where the manager is taking us.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed004's Note - I think we should be adapting the 4231 formation. By selling Rooney and Hernandez (looks like he wants to leave) we could fund two wingers and sell Young and Nani as well. Then address midfield (2) a cb and left back. Also Garay IMO would be available for under 18 mill and Shaw for around 24-26 so 40 mill and that's defence sorted. However that a lot of signings 6 is a lot}

I totally agree ed004. We need a new CM combination, a top CB and LB. A fast winger is also a must.

I think we can get these players' in the summer, but it will require the selling of a number of first team players' to help fund all the purchases. I just don't believe that the owners will give Moyes' more than 100 million to spend; and we will probably have to spend around 150 million to get the quality players' we desperately need to get us challenging again.

Agree0 Disagree0

It will be a real shame if either Hernandez or Kagawa leave. Sam, I agree about Januzaj on the right and Reus would be a fantastic addition.

Ed004, if we could get Carvalho, Garay, and Shaw, that would be a great step forward. But who do you think would want to buy Rooney with his price tag?

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed004's Note - I don't know I think he could be impossible to move on as not sure he'd move abroad}

21 Apr 2014 14:48:25
Hes not the best no 9 or the best no 10 at the club yet moyes had made him undroppable. Keeping him is holding us back. he's creating problems with van Persie, Hernandez, welbeck, Mata and Kagawa all being shunted around to accommodate him. We would be better with van persie ahead of Mata Kagawa januzaj. My one hope is that Chelsea are still interested. That and moyes does the decent thing and falls on his sword.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 13:03:32
Whatever your feelings on Welbeck and if you rate him or not, this is a serious issue. We have a local lad, who's come through the academy and loves the club, who is now considering leaving. How has such a situation come about? Earlier in the season it looked like certain older players were not buying into the Moyes philosophy, but this was not so much of a concern as most of those players were all earmarked on here to be departing this summer. But since the new year our form has pretty much collapsed and it now looks like even the younger players, who should be the new core of the club, don't want Moyes.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Welbeck has the potential to be a really top player, but he lacks composure in front of goal. He seems to be an instinctive striker as opposed to an intelligent one. The miss against BM in the CL, where he was clean through was a good example of his lack of composure.

The thing is: can we carry a player who will only give us 2 two top games out of 5?

I actually think it would be a good for him to go abroad; maybe some-where like Spain or Germany. It might improve the areas of the game where he is lacking.

Agree0 Disagree0

MR.E

Please do not get me started about babmi as everyone knows my views about this guy. Since when is he the future of our club?

We are truly f. ed if he is the future. This is the same guy who was out drunk at 3.00 in the morning the night after we got knocked out by Bayern making a fool of himself Right?

When people realise that these are uneducated boys/men who earn a lot of money to play once a week and live their life by what is in their pants more than love for the club then they will also realize for every one that goes there is 5 more that can come in especially at this guys level.

Agree0 Disagree0

He is pulling the club apart, enough said.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 14:33:38
Shahram you missed my point. I said despite your feelings on how you rate welbeck. If players like him who have come through the academy and are united through and through have had enough with the manager then you have to ask what is the manager doing. I know he's a bit of a marmite player but if players like him are questioning their future at the club then there is an issue developing. Moyes can't offload every single player who has an issue with him. And when it was players like Rio who on the way out anyway it wasn't so much of an issue. But now he's alienating players like welbeck and Rafael which does threaten to become much more serious.

Agree0 Disagree0

MrE

I understand what you are saying but I think it is irrelevant what a player of Welbeck type thinks as he has no standing in the dressing room or relevance to the clubs direction and future.

I think moyes mentioned his training habits earlier in the season and definitely all is not well. I also think he is pissed for getting reprimanded and done a dummy spit.

I have a lot less patience with players than managers:) I have met many players and whilst some are nice lads but quite a few are wa. kers and I can genuinely say they are mostly dumb as rubbish.

They are just living a dream with the money in football now a days and this loves the badge is fairy tale stuff with the vast majority of them.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 23:09:43
If it was just welbeck i'd say fair enough but so far this season he has alienated or antagonised Rafael, Rio, vidic, evra, fletcher, Kagawa, welbeck, van persie, Hernandez, zaha and giggs, and that's just off the top of my head. Now I know you don't rate most of those. There's some on that list I don't rate either and a good few I think should be out the door for one reason or another come summer. But for a supposed top manager to have somewhere from half to two thirds of a squad wanting you gone rather suggests the issue isn't the players but the manager.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 13:17:56
I can see the eds point people. They have spent a lot of time creating a friendly enjoyable site fo us fans to come share our opinions i'm sure we can all agree the moaning and negativity was getting foo much. I don't see what people expect the outcome will be from moaning and making very personal insults about our manager. Yes I am not moyes biggest fan but he is at oir club until the board decides otherwise. You can complain as much as you loke but moyes is here until we hear otherwise. So can we all just respect the eds and appreciate they don't want banter pages full of the same sort of things. How many different ways can people find to say the same thing? Hope everyone has had a good easter.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - spot on dell, there is a big difference between banter and moaning mate, a lot of the moaning will be on the "other posts" page, to free up the banter page..

Yeah I agree 100% Dellboy mate. I've actually deliberately stayed away from posting too much lately as 9 times out of 10 it turns into the usual Moyes out debate. Save it for the pub lads. everyone on here has at some stage told the eds how good a job they do, so don't give them an excuse to stop! Take a quick look at the other rumour/banter sites and maybe put a bit more thought into some of the posts!

My second point though. Moyes is terrible, he must go now along with Rio, Evra, Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Young, Valencia, RVP, Rooney, Nani, Cleverley and Evans. We must buy Ronaldo and Fabregas and Cavani and Reus and Vidal.

Sorry. ;)

Agree0 Disagree0

Gd post that dell mate, I echo it entirely!

Agree0 Disagree0

It is natural that a lot of fans' are going to be piss.d at out current predicament; especially as the Scousers look like they are going to win the league after finishing 30 points behind us last season; and we could well finish 30 points behind them this season if results go the wrong way. Thus it is a lot for some to take. That said, I understand the point ed002 is making: the moyes bashing is getting monotonous. I have been a bit guilty of it of late too.

The season is virtually done, and I have faith that the club will do everything in its collective power to ensure we are back challenging next season.

Agree0 Disagree0

Your just like the rest of us then Andy haha

Agree0 Disagree0

We all have those sort of dreams Andy haha. Samthered. very true everyone knows we are not performing good enough and its hard to watch sometimes, but we have to take a step back and not get overun with emotion ( I know It can be hard) we have to trust this great club knows what it is doing and will sort it out very soon. i'm confident we will be back fighting next season with or without Moyes . So to all the moaners ;) let's get behind our club and show why we are different to most. Plus i'm sure the eds could do with a break aha.

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 11:01:36
Wow I was getting a bit fed up with all the negativity on here but this is very entertaining :) that said if Ed2 goes on strike again I will hold you all responsible

Believable0 Unbelievable0

21 Apr 2014 10:05:34
Question for Ed02 you have said numerous times Moyes will be given 3 windows, is it your wish or some inside knowledge?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - I have never said that at all.}

Please see post from mick down the page?

Agree0 Disagree0

Ed002, I read somewhere that Moyes was being urged by influential people at OT to go for Carvalho. Is it not possible that there is a third party pulling the strings at OT? It could well be nonsense I understand that, but I get the feeling the third party is SAF. Is it at all possible in your opinion that although Moyes wants certain players, he is still being guided and if that is the case, then could Moyes be let go at any point with MU still keeping these same targets? In other words could Moyes be let go and we keep these same targets? Are they Moyes' targets or are they MU targets? Thanks.

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed002's Note - You want the conspiracy page Syd. The targets will be decided based on discussions between the scouting team, the coaching staff and those responsible for the finances and negotiation.}

21 Apr 2014 13:08:30
Syd I think moyes is too stubborn to be fergies puppet and if that was the case surely we would have signed Strootman, Thiago, Garay or whoever last summer if fergie was string pulling?

Agree0 Disagree0

If that was the case Rooney would have been sold and no way in hell would he have got that insane contract

Agree0 Disagree0

21 Apr 2014 08:43:09

Ok hope this gets posted, or will my point be proved?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Your post was palpable nonsense and clearly you did not understand the issue at all - as you said in the first line - before spewing your ignorance over the page. I am glad you have another site to go to and I have made that possible for you.}

21 Apr 2014 00:20:59
I hope the editors don't mind.

As some of you have read, I've recently started a blog about all things Manchester United.

And I wanted to share the link with you to my latest blog post about our fans.

UnitedWeStand58.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/fans-fools-or-faithful.html

If the eds could be so kind to post it, and if you can all have a ready and let me know through commenting on it what you thought about it that'll be great.

I hope you've all had a wonderful Easter with the exception of today's result.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Hi Moon. Hope you had a good Easter apart from the result.
I enjoyed reading your article and here's my take on it. I have been a united supporter for 46 years and paying one for 44 years. So I've seem the good, the head, and the damn right ugly.
When Moyes was appointed, I was the most disappointed and depressed man on this planet. Why? Because in 11 years, every time Everton were on tele, I simply switched to the other channel as they were the most boring team to watch.yes, the beat some top teams at home through shear hard work and bloody mindedness, but they were far and few between and never done with flair or skill. Pump the ball to Duncan Ferguson and later to fellaini etc etc.
So I sat there depressed because I knew our beloved United will be turned into an Everton style club. What I didn't know was how quickly this will be. This man seems to have dragged the club down so far so quickly that it is truly criminal to watch and that he should still be in a job.
Are we true fans if we want him out and shout to get him out, or shall we just keep supporting our team? The answer is both! We should never stop supporting our team, never. However, if we don't show our displeasure in Noyes and his clueless management, then we will be committing the same mistake as the board who appointed him, we will be patting them on the back and saying well done for appointing this complete person, loser, to manage the biggest job in football. If we sit back and don't act, then we will be in the wrong.
We live in the best country in the world, where democracy is at kits best, if we see something wrong, then we vote our governments out, if we see someone being hurt, we find the perpetrator and ensure the law is done. We don't just sit there and allow wrong to carry on, WE ACT. And that is what all United supporters should do, ACT, before it is too late.
Once again thank you Moon, and let's hope our great club and supporters can get through this and emerge with a great new manager, someone who understands what we're all about, someone who plays football the right way and realise that winning is important but the way you win is more important!
PS Ed's, I tried to reply to moon on his blog but I couldn't due to my extreme thickness when it comes to all matters that are computers etc, so hope you can post this as Moon put a lot of effort into his blog. Thanks.

Agree0 Disagree0

School of science is back now

Agree0 Disagree0

21 apr 2014 00:03:11
i made a post 2day for banter that took me quite a long time to write, for it not to be posted there wasn't any profanity in the post so why hasn't it been posted?

marlow

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed004's Note - Check the other pages}