Manchester United Banter Archive August 21 2015

21 Aug 2015 23:14:44
Haha if our attack in September looks like Neymar, Rooney and Memphis behind Muller I will streak across Old Trafford with a tattoo of Ed and LVG in a big love heart on my bum. These papers are ridiculous!

21 Aug 2015 23:32:33
Liverpool have a better chance of winning the league

22 Aug 2015 04:01:03
My postman says it's happenung 1redarmy, get that tattoo ready. My postman, he's quite good y'know, he regularly delivers ;)

22 Aug 2015 08:04:24
Mpez , I heard your postman got the sack?

21 Aug 2015 22:11:14
Predictions for tomorrow?

I see this being an easy win for us. Our left side with Shaw and Memphis will cause lots of problems for Newcastle who are playing a second choice right back due to janmaat being suspended.

Newcastle haven't won yet this season and think they'll struggle to get any kind of momentum going in this game.

I'm going 3-0 to us. Would like Rooney to get a goal.

I love the feeling before match day!

21 Aug 2015 23:02:07
2-0 I'm going can't see them scoring unless it is a lucky goal or a screamer. As I said I don't really expect a test until Swansea.

21 Aug 2015 23:21:20
4-0 rooney 2, depay and young

22 Aug 2015 00:32:56
Oh dear I think we are going to have some disappointed people tomorrow. I hope you are right but it will not be an 'easy win', not many games are and Newcastle have looked alright so far to me.

22 Aug 2015 00:43:29
1-0 Mata 😆😆

22 Aug 2015 08:08:25
These games were the ones we underachieved in last year. So I'm wary and hope the team have learnt.
I'm going for 2-0 win.

22 Aug 2015 09:04:21
I just think our left side will be too strong for them GDS. I hope we get the result especially with us being at home, if it was at St James' then I wouldn't be as confident as I am and would probs predict a 1-0 2-1.

Looks like everyone is predicting we're going to win, so hopefully some positivity on the site after the game. Chances lol

22 Aug 2015 09:29:07
8-1, Depay 3, Mata 2, Hernandez 1, Smalling 1 and Januzaj 1. Rooney subbed after a poor 70 mins.

22 Aug 2015 10:22:07
3-0 Rooney hat trick.

21 Aug 2015 21:50:28
Hi Guys

So now we are after Neymar another player we have absoloutley no chance of signing.Nice thought though.

21 Aug 2015 23:26:47
Bazza,

You are making the fatal mistake of believing what someone from the sun has made up, I really don't know how they get away with such tripe.

21 Aug 2015 20:40:58
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always.
Pedro's agent has stated that 'United fell asleep' over finalising a deal for the player. This is quite contrasting to that of some opinion which is that the player preferred the Chelsea move or the player turned down the chance etc. What this means is that we have learnt our lesson over the Di Maria signing and will try to meet other clubs at a lower fee for players in relation to our valuation. If another club cuts right in front of us because they are happy to throw money around then fine. LVG is not only improving is tactically but he is also re-instating our sole. I really do encourage all fans here to trust me when I say Pedro was never what we needed, no way. A decent CF should be our priority and that would leave us with a very successful summer to reflect upon. If DDG leaves on deadline day we will prob also go for a keeper.
LVG knows what he is doing, trust me, trust him.

21 Aug 2015 22:15:16
Re-instating our sole, eh? So that's what the adidas deal was for.

21 Aug 2015 22:44:22
Thanks for the reply imightbesomeone, and while we are on the subject, are you?! 😉
The Adidas deal I see as nothing more than a typical modern day feat, almost each and every professional body (sport or not) seeks sponsorship in one way or another.
I have read so many articles and comments over the past 24 months about how United have 'sold their sole' and 'lost their identity'. My honest opinion is the reason we didn't move fast enough over Pedro is because Januzaj turned LVGs head over past week and decided spending 22 mill wasn't necessary. I find this encouraging. Compared to most at the moment I am definately a 'my glass is half full' type of guy.
Look forward to your response.

21 Aug 2015 23:14:07
Shouldn't that be a typical modern day feet? I just hope that Adidas can help us secure Scholl, then they're be no worries about our sole.

21 Aug 2015 23:24:24
Good on you king giggsy. I agree I think januzai as well as mata, depay and young made lvg decide he didn't want the headache of choosing between them. Especially considering the fact Pedro was pretty average in barca last 4 games

21 Aug 2015 23:39:58
Im with you Giggsy :)

22 Aug 2015 04:40:46
Quick question old mate.

How can it be considered another club 'cutting infront of you, and throwing money around', if your club was willing to pay more, just not upfront?

If you're a 'glass half full kinda guy', your glass was originally empty. Just a thought.

22 Aug 2015 11:04:22
Hi Melbourne, thanks for your reply and hope you are well my old mate indeed.
Good response, but I'm not sure a) we were offering more money and b) it is Pedro's agent that has spoken about the deal in the ways I mentioned. That info has come 'straight from the horses mouth'. United stalled on any possible deal because existing youth at the club gave encouraging signs, I think any team would be delighted with that if it meant a saving of £22 million on a risky signing.
Have a good weekend and hopefully you lot can muster a win this weekend 😉

21 Aug 2015 18:53:52
Looking at Pedro with Fabergas in the press, can't believe how small he is, Fabergas looks like a hulk long side him, maybe he won't be suited to premier league.

21 Aug 2015 21:48:04
You can say the same about David Silva.

21 Aug 2015 22:11:08
We are from the Premier league and I remember him running ragged against us with his pace and scoring a goal too in UCL.

21 Aug 2015 23:28:32
Red,

That was 5 years ago, when he was 23, he's now 28, does he still have that blistering pace?

21 Aug 2015 23:31:15
Silva, Modric, Coutinho .

21 Aug 2015 17:30:15
Just been reading today's posts and saw down the page that the manager said he wanted to strengthen the spine of the team but hasn't done that? I personally think he has definitely done it. We've signed a goalkeeper to replace de gea who seems to be very well positioned all the time, his kicking needs a bit of work but that's not the end of the world. He's got the full back spots sorted and has picked a defensive partnership that he's happy with which actually seems to click, although I was skeptical of blind. He's bought one of the best midfielders in the world in the past 10 years In and arguably one of the best centre mids in the league last season. He's chosen his main striker and said he will stand by him and trust him and we all know that as much as we like to moan about Rooney he is a proven goalscorer in the past. Although he looks to have dropped off, give him a chance to get going and he might score 20+. Lvg has also now picked a formation which seems to be working and that he's happy with. Hopefully we don't see the return of the dreaded 532! People just don't seem to be happy unless we sign a cb for 40m and a forward for 60 because our 'net spend' is low. Some of the things I read on here is what I would expect from a city fan!

21 Aug 2015 18:04:30
Brad, I usually agree with you but that's a somewhat rose tinted view of where we are. As I have said elsewhere I am ok with CBs but if Rooney is injured, what happens then? We remain very short up front.

21 Aug 2015 18:17:18
We are very light upfront, need a partner for rooney. In defence we might be able to cope but it is the goals we are struggling with.

21 Aug 2015 18:17:51
Agree with what you say AJH. I am backing Rooney but we're in trouble if/when he's injured. LVG has said that Memphis can play the striker role. Would be good to see what happens keeping same formation as Tuesday apart from Young coming on the wing and pushing Memphis upfront. Food for thought.

21 Aug 2015 18:20:42
I would think "strengthening the spine" may have meant sorting out the Central Midfield and Right Back. And we done that brilliantly

I hope the club brings, at least, striker or a top CB. If not, the squad is looking good enough.

21 Aug 2015 19:36:28
All I'm trying to say is that we've signed players which have given us a great squad and i think we have plenty of cover in all areas. Ajh I understand what you mean about if Rooney gets injured but Hernandez is a perfectly capable back up striker and can definitely score goals! I think we should only be signing the very best players. If we can make a deal for muller, greizman or bale then brilliant do it. But I don't think we should go for 3rd, 4th and 5th targets cause we're not in that much need

21 Aug 2015 19:47:27
I would see the spine as centre back, midfield and centre forward. Midfield has been done. Centre back looks alright, Smalling is settling in well, Blind playing well, Rojo, McNair, Evans and Jones all as back ups so unless we see any CB leave I can't see any come in.

Centre forward needs strengthened imo. We need a proven goal scorer. Very difficult to sign a player like this. Chances of trying to set up a deal in January for Kane to come in the Summer eds? Would give us a chance to see how he performs from now until Jan and then if all goes well we could try and strike a deal with Mr Tightarse

21 Aug 2015 20:00:53
This is the direct quote from Giggs: “With any good team, the spine is important. Midfield, striker, centre-backs, goalkeeper. I’m sure we’ll be looking to strengthen the spine all the way through."

So they were clearly planning to bring in players for each of these positions.

21 Aug 2015 20:21:38
Brad, I agree entirely re to class as opposed to fillers. So, if Stones is the real deal (I don't know if he is), why don't we offer £26M plus Evans? Allegedely Benzema is available. Would Bayern turn down 80M Euros for Muller, or 50M Euros for Lewandowski? These are the players who could makema difference to us.

21 Aug 2015 22:12:52
I agree completely. We should be signing players who will take us to the next level rather than signing players who are mid table standard. We should be aiming for centre backs like stones, Laporte and giminez from atletico who are great players and young. We seem to have a settled back 4 right now and don't want to ruin it by signing a new centre back who isn't much better than what we've got which is what we would get with some suggestions on here such as howedes. An attacking midfielder or winger would have to be a top class one otherwise we would be ruining the chance for Januzaj, pereira and lingard to improve when they could be better than a lot of options out there. If we sign a winger it needs to be someone like muller, greizman, Reus, bale, neymar. Only players of this standard would make sense. Up top is a real issue because Rooney is our captain and will not be dropped. I would have loved to see dybala signed or henriquez kept but I think we will struggle to find a top young striker out there who won't be too demanding

22 Aug 2015 01:11:04
Since when was 'right back' part of a team's spine?

{Ed007's Note - Ed004 will know that!}

21 Aug 2015 16:49:59
Has anyone noticed that the players we've signed have been done with minimal fuss and pretty much no prior media coverage. For example correct me if i'm wrong

Memphis - at the time of announcing his signing in late may he'd been linked somewhat tenuously with liverpool and seemed in all likelihood to go to PSG. Then we stepped in under the radar and announced the deal with minimal fuss.

Darmian - honestly can't remember him being linked to us before us announcing. People didn't even know who he was before he signed.

Bastian - Obviously there were murmours that lvg fancied him but these were without substance and his transfer was wrapped up in a day or so of leaks coming out.

Morgan- This one sums up my point the best. After we had just signed bastian most of the press pretty much wrote off us signing him as we possibly couldn't sign two centre mids in one window. Little were they to know he was following bastian in for a medical and would later be on the same plane as him for the US tour.

Basically what i'm saying is the press(british in particular) have had no idea who were in for and you can pretty much tell that if were continuously being linked to a player the lesser the chances of him being signed lol.

So stop moaning about us not signing players or losing out on players were probably not in for anyway just because youve read it on twitter or in a newspaper.

21 Aug 2015 17:16:15
Well said mate.

21 Aug 2015 17:21:38
Agree DSG. I think everyone should wait until the end the window before commenting on our transfer window.

21 Aug 2015 17:36:49
The press link us with so many players. we were heavily linked with Sneiderlin and Depay but I acct that Darmian and Schweini were under the radar. We shall see if there are surprises, I suspect not.

21 Aug 2015 15:59:55
A few people suggesting we need to rotate already to avoid fatigue.i get the concern but we should remember that at this stage game time is helping them to get match ready/fit so we shod not worry about burn out just yet.
Also after the Swansea game there is a 2 week gap to the next PL game so we have time to rest/rotate then.

21 Aug 2015 14:50:29
Anybody feel we are becoming a bit of a piss take? Every player under the sky is linked with us and when we appear to be making a move something happens.Gundogan, Otamendi, Pedro to name a few, it seems we are all quiet until we go for the player then its take the mickey time.New links with Griezmann seem like another joke on us moment.So we are now being linked with Madrid young starlet as the answer to the De Gea issue and our striking issue. TBH it's really annoying as if we were to use a young starlet as our answer I would rather it be Wilson. I don't wanna be a Woodie basher but I'm heading that way although I dunno if it is him or LVG!!

21 Aug 2015 15:37:59
Thank the media for all this. I doubt people at the club are ringing up the papers and feeding them stuff.

21 Aug 2015 15:30:27
. and how the hell do you know which players we have actually attempted to sign? Woodward has no control over the press or social media. He has to this point brought in four excellent additions to the squad and is no doubt working hard on more.

Jeez. Get a grip man, because posts like this are quite frankly more embarrassing than anything that Woodward has or hasn't done!

21 Aug 2015 15:35:16
Yes, they're called rumors.

21 Aug 2015 15:36:12
Yea we are a joke, we never sign any good players, schneiderlin, schweinsteiger, Darmian and depay are figments of our imagination, posts like this are a little embarrassing to say the least it's becoming harder to read some of the stuff on here.

21 Aug 2015 15:43:08
I wouldn't take much notice of any of the tabloids Ken. They are as much "in the know" as you or I.

21 Aug 2015 15:47:11
Redken

The words "linked with", "targeted" are the problem. I am afraid you are believing the biased press and falling into exactly the pit they want you to. There are elements, many Scouse, in the press who want to make everyone believe our time is up, no one wants to play for us and if they say it enough some might believe it. The words linked and targeted are frankly pathetic, at a time when we are keen and hang on every word , clicking on every internet story, they have found a way to get publicity, use the words Manchester United and add linked or target. They have the added bonus if we don't then buy that player to write that we missed out, were rejected. If you don't believe me count up how many players we have been "linked" with or targeted and I bet it won't be far off 150 by now, Woodward would have to set up a queuing system X factor style with that many. It all suits agents as well who are trying to get their client a better deal.
Stop getting wound up by the drivel in the press and judge by actions not words and certainly do not believe the press with every single story at a time when they want to see us fail. If you see the words linked or target regard it with suspicion.

21 Aug 2015 15:50:14
Sam i think a lot of this is because the fans are gullible. They believe eth in the papers.

21 Aug 2015 16:15:46
Is it immature that i found this line funny??
"i don't wanna be a woodie basher but i'm heading that way"

21 Aug 2015 17:24:47
JK92 I agree I didn't see that one when I was moaning earlier. My reason behind the rant is more from watching LVG annoyed earlier, if the Pedro deal was nothing he wouldn't have got wound up. It annoyed me to think of us becoming a team who, while in this period of change buying so much and being a laughing stock as a result, in fairness like we've been doing to city and Chelsea for the last few years. But then again maybe I am paying too much attention to the media. Can't wait for silly season to end.

21 Aug 2015 17:39:46
I guess most f us have see that graphic showing the formation with Al the players we have been trying to sign. there were 4 goalkeepers, 3 RBs, 8 CMs, and about 6 CFs. most of it is complete tosh

21 Aug 2015 14:26:56
Am i the only one who doesn't like the schneiderlin and carrick pairing?

Just doesn't seem like we get forward often when they are together.

When Basti came on for Carrick in all the games we looked a better team going forward and in possession.

this isn't an attack on Carrick, either, he is great, but i just think he is better suited when he has a faster more direct player next to him. like Herrera.

21 Aug 2015 14:43:24
I would love to see a schmidfield plus hererra.

21 Aug 2015 14:52:42
Schmid + Herrera would do us best. CDM Schweini no.6 Schneidi and number 8 Herrera

21 Aug 2015 14:54:02
I get what your saying jk, but I think their role is to give an easy route out of defence and as a first line of defence and in fairness apart from one poxy deflected goal they've done that exceptionally. We have four other players ahead and two quick full backs on the wing, once a bit of trust is built throughout the team, that backbone will give us the rest the support to express themselves. Give it time.

21 Aug 2015 14:58:56
Just be glad to see Herrera playing in our midfield with anyone

21 Aug 2015 15:18:56
I think the players are still finding out how to play with each other. Carrick and Schweini are likely to rotate with each other. I saw 1 suggestion that Sneidelring could sit in front of the back 4 and Schweini could play further forward but I guess LVG will be working through it all in training. The issue for me so far has been the lack of movement in front of them. On Tuesday night there were so many chances to play a ball through a wide channel but the easier sideways pass was taken.

21 Aug 2015 13:41:49
I keep hearing that we are far behind Chelsea and City now, but our games against both sides last season didn't seem like we were that far behind considering we whacked City when the came to OT and didn't look to shabby when we played them earlier last season.

How after adding 5 top players - and the players better understanding the manager's tactics - constitute us going backwards compared to our rivals, which is what some posters seem to be inferring?

I mean Chelsea look poor compared to their form of last season; and we look stronger than we did as the start of last season, so basic logic would dictate that at this current juncture, we have closed the gap on Chelsea IMO.

It would be nice if some people could give details and explanations as to why we have suddenly fallen by the wayside compared to our rivals, because I personally think we are catching them up; and I am basing that on the fact that we look like a much better unit compared to last season; and we have better players playing in key areas.

I suppose time will tell. It really is premature to give an accurate indication of where we are compared to our rivals after just two games.

21 Aug 2015 14:19:06
Part of me thinks a lot of pundits are scared to say we have looked a lot more secure so far this year.
We have not dropped the points we did at the start of last season and it is scaring some of the Liverpool biased pundits, you can tell, some of the things Carragher has been spouting about us is ludicrous.

The press are also trying to disrupt our run, all this Pedro obsession (apparently we have 'missed out') it's debatable if he'll even make Chelsea's starting 11.

21 Aug 2015 14:38:08
I agree Covey.

I think Millwall's famous chant of "no one likes us we don't care" seems quite a fitting song for us reds.
It is even more fitting for those reds who are happy with what is happening at the club; for apparently, we all have rose tinted glasses.

21 Aug 2015 15:55:13
Was that a shout out to marcellus sam?

21 Aug 2015 16:21:01
I have a rose tinted monocle, it goes with the velvet dressing gown much better.

21 Aug 2015 17:22:33
PR - no mate. That said, he will probably reply later after his mum picks him up from his play group.

21 Aug 2015 11:54:20
LVG sounds pissed off in the press conference. Says that Pedro was the easiest transfer ever because he had a release clause, also reiterated that he is a player that fits the system, but then backtracked by claiming that he never explicitly said he was interested in signing him. Interesting to hear him imply that he can't say everything he wants to say about the transfer. Sounds like he isn't happy with what happened, especially with Barca's behaviour.

Does he sound like a man who "pulled the plug" on the transfer? Not a chance. Sounds like a man who thought he had a new player in the bag, and is embarrassed that the money men f'd it up. Maybe Ed didn't tell him that the process is about maximising profits rather than winning trophies.

21 Aug 2015 12:25:37
I think it's just starting to look even more embarrassing the way we are trying to cover up our mess.

21 Aug 2015 12:26:56
Oh god Danny I've just seen the quotes from the press conference and they don't seem to be anything like what you are suggesting, maybe I need to see it for myself properly but he said his relationship with Woodward is great and he trusts him, see you missed that bit out of this post.

21 Aug 2015 13:42:24
Gds2
That's the diplomatic part

21 Aug 2015 13:44:53
Danny, you should join the Daily Mail.

21 Aug 2015 13:56:49
Sounded nothing like that. LVG was saying if they wanted pedro they would of got him easily.

21 Aug 2015 12:47:22
Just sounds like a man who got fed up by the pedro questions. He clearly said pedro fit the profile but he was not interested in him.

21 Aug 2015 12:54:03
He also said that only the club and the players themselves know and that he trusts Ed. Yes, he has to say this but it sound to me like there may be more signings in the pipeline. These interviews can be interpreted so many ways but it is funny that he told the media that basically they haven't got a clue

21 Aug 2015 13:17:06
I disagree danny. I think he made it very clear, if we wanted pedro then it's the easiest transfer, those were his words. And then proceeded by saying how good Ed is at his job. And how he completely trusts him. LVG is not a man to keep it in when he is disappointed, just take a look back at his career.

21 Aug 2015 13:27:29
I think someone is hearing what they want to hear Danny.

21 Aug 2015 13:28:50
It just goes to show that people see and hear different things because I never had that impression at all.

21 Aug 2015 13:29:14
Maybe you should watch the short clip. A man clearly embarrassed and frustrated, and the Woodword comment was thrown in at the end as a token gesture.

21 Aug 2015 13:15:24
so your just hearing it how you WANT it to sound, i don't think Van Gaal wanted Pedro that much, i think he saw him as a "Nice to Have" not "Must have" he can't sign another attacking midfielder when we have an abundance of midfielders, and i'd much rather see youth players push through, and focus on a 20 goal plus striker, IMO i don't think we need a defender, we can assess that area in January, we may not have the srongest XI in the league but i do beleive we have one of the strongest squads. i question sometimes if you lot are really Man United fans or just glory hunters from the 90's.

21 Aug 2015 14:25:03
Reading it totally wrong if that is what you got from his comments.

21 Aug 2015 14:25:07
I watched the full interview and it didn't seem like that to me at all.

21 Aug 2015 14:42:58
I watched the full interview and it seems to me that the manager basically said we could have had him weeks ago because it was an easy transfer; but ultimately, we didn't want him.

The manager is probably annoyed with the press for building these stories up to a point that even the clubs own fans are bickering among themselves about a player who frankly isn't as good as some are proclaiming him to be.

I would rather go out and buy a genuine top talent than a player who could be hit or miss in the PL.

21 Aug 2015 15:16:46
"Maybe you should watch the short clip"

and clearly take everything out of context.

21 Aug 2015 15:39:17
Ah well, seems like on this occasion the quotes I read were spot on and in the context I read them based on these replies. Does seem like a game of 'find anything we can to make out United board and manager are idiots' at the moment, strange really after the good start.

21 Aug 2015 16:26:11
Gds I think its a case of some fans can't wait to be proved right and are hoping the wheels come off so they can say they was right.

In fairness there was a similar attitude withe regards to moyes as well.

And it will probably happen with the next manager too

You just can't please all of the people all of the time.

21 Aug 2015 13:00:09
Just out of interest with the Pedro transfer LVG says the deal would have been 'no problem as he had a release clause in his contract'.

Now please correctly me if I am wrong but didn't Ed002 say these types of clauses can only be activated by clubs in the same country (and Portugal in regards to the Spanish league) and that they are irrelevant to other clubs such as those in the PL?

So if that is the case then the release clause comment is pretty pointless and irrelevant really.

{Ed002's Note - It is, the club could charge whatever they want - but what they wanted was the price they had set in the clause.}

21 Aug 2015 11:31:24
It seems some people only support United, during the transfer window. Why is everyone so worried about losing two players that let's face it are not World beaters. Granted they are good players, but come on, how many people knew of Otamendi 2 years ago and how many of those people whinging about Pedro have actually looked at the Man Utd squad? Do you not want are own players to prosper, i.e Januzaj, Pereira, James Wilson.

Ultimately, I believe we need a cb and cf, but I would not whine about losing two untested foreign players, who have no idea how tough the premier league is. If we don't sign anyone, will i be bothered, not really. We have strengthen the middle and added a great attacker, plus made the right side a lot more solid. If we where to buy to many, how will they gel? Every fan thinks if you buy a new team you instantly get trophies. I hope United is laying the foundations for after LVG, while allowing him a couple of seasoned professionals like Bastian.

Please guys, let's not get those green and golds out just yet.

21 Aug 2015 12:08:04
Green and Golds? Are we becoming Norwich Fans?

21 Aug 2015 12:06:09
The management team wanted to strengthen the spine of the team at the start of the summer. This hasn't happened. Our net spend is equivalent to West Ham's and we have shaved a huge amount of wages from our bill. A few weeks ago the manager was still talking about the need to add creativity, and bring in new faces.

People can dress it up any way they want: only bringing in players who will wear the shirt with pride, giving young players the chance, not destabilising the squad by adding too many players, and so on. But these are all hollow excuses.

The simple fact is that we have clearly not achieved what the management team wanted at the start of the summer, and the two players we missed out on this week was due to balking at the costs. We we're far behind both Chelsea and City last season. These clubs are adding more depth and quality to their squads this summer, and I don't think many people can argue that we have made significant inroads on their dominance with our transfer dealings this summer.

21 Aug 2015 12:27:55
Because shiny new signings are the be all and end all, we couldn't possibly win anything with the players we have already, didn't you know?

21 Aug 2015 13:34:04
The club, it would seem have worked strongly on Smalling judging by his start to the season. Strengthening the team doesn't always mean investing money but also investing time in what we have.

21 Aug 2015 13:39:33
Net spend, net spend, net spend, it's all getting very boring on here at the minute.

21 Aug 2015 13:27:59
Do you think we can win the league or CL with the players we already have? Does anyone seriously think that?

The management team don't, or they wouldn't have been in the "process" of trying to bring in new players for the last month. Let's call a spade a spade, we finished 17 points off top spot last season and our investment this summer does not match the ambition of club intent on closing this.

21 Aug 2015 15:41:03
Danny,

Your posts are sounding more and more like a spoilt child each time I read one pal, you need to lighten up.

21 Aug 2015 16:41:31
Danny, is this the same investment that lead us to sign one of the brightest young talents in europe, a world cup winner, an actual solid right back and the second best holding midfelider in the premier league (after matic imo).

Its fair enough to think we need more players as their are obvious areas in the team that can be improved but the players we've brought in have been of the desired quality and done with minimal fuss.

21 Aug 2015 17:17:13
So your usual: I can't argue against what you're saying, so I'll resort to petty insults.

21 Aug 2015 19:12:27
No Danny he is saying your post are making you sound like a spoilt child and he is right IMO

21 Aug 2015 10:32:23
This whole Pedro situation is doing my head in. Yes he played for Barca who are the best team in world football, but I'm being truly honest when I say that he just isn't good enough.

He wasn't getting in the team because he wasn't good enough for Barca so why on earth are people going in to meltdown when we haven't signed a Barca squad player. Embarrassing.

Yes his stats for Barca were good. But I honestly believe you could play anyone with some pace and average ability and they would thrive at Barca. IMO he is no better than Jesus Navas or Juan Cuadrado. Yes, players that are decent but not worth taking a week off work due to depression because we haven't signed them.

We have players like Januzaj and Pereira who have a big season ahead of them and I'd much rather give them minutes and watch them develop than hinder their development by playing a Barcelona "reject" who is unproven in the PL.

Remember the PL is a different beast compared to other European leagues and some players just aren't cut out to play in it. I think Pedro will be added to that long list.

{Ed018's Note - he's better than Cuadrado.}

21 Aug 2015 12:15:05
I agree RiM. He's too light weight. People are saying Alexis Sanchez made it so Pedro will, Alexis Sanches is a ball of power, he is so strong. Pedro on the other hand, like you said, will struggle and fizzle out to be a Jesus Navas/Markovic type player.

No doubt his trophy record is good, but remember, Anderson and Chris Eagles have won the Champions League

21 Aug 2015 11:45:56
so he'll take his place on the bench then ed ;)

{Ed018's Note - I think he will eventually start over Willian}

21 Aug 2015 11:47:58
I don't think he is ed. Put Cuadrado in that Barca team and you'll see similar stats and performances. It's the Barca factor!

{Ed018's Note - I don't know about that. Cuadrado looks so lost out on the pitch it's like nothing I've ever seen before}

21 Aug 2015 14:54:17
Ed18, your a Chelsea fan I take it mate?

What's your opinion on Jose seemingly intent on buying these wide players and not playing them at all? KDB, Salah etc all seem to have moved on and done quite well.

{Ed018's Note - Salah never impressed me, I know he's doing better in Italy but he was never gonna cut it at Chelsea. De Bruyne I wish would've worked out and he had stayed at Chelsea. He's a fantastic player and I think would've been better in the number 10 role than Oscar is. Hopefully Jose has got it right with Pedro because yea it seems like non of these wide players are working out for him}

21 Aug 2015 17:54:44
Ed018 I suppose I haven't watched him as closely as you have with you being a Chelsea fan. Either way I'm intrigued to see how Pedro performs

{Ed018's Note - as am I. I hope he can find the back of the net a bit more than Willian does}

21 Aug 2015 09:30:00
I feel one of the main problems for our break down of attacking play, or pace to get from back to front is the number 10 role, how it's being played and who is playing there.

bayern Munich: Gotze;Muller;Costa
Barcelona: Iniesta;Messi
Real Madrid: Isco;Rodriguez; Bale
Chelsea: Oscar; Fabregas
Manchester City: Sterling;Silva; Nasri
Arsenal: Ozil; cazorla

This is just a few to teams to name. The number 10 role is becoming a fashionable position in football. BAYERN are a very entertaining team to watch, they create many chances over the season and always have a high possession of the ball. Having number 10s like Gotze and Muller allows someone always showing for the ball in the middle of the attacking third and also a massive goal threat on top of their wingers and striker. BARCELONA again great retention of the ball and create many chances. Iniesta, eyes in the back of his head, always an option in the centre and can string a ball through the attackers. Messi, who plays 10 sometimes, drops slightly deeper and runs at defence to create space for 1 2s. REAL MADRID always show incredible counter attack ability, James always shows for the ball and looks to move it forward as quick as possible, bale does the same by attacking defences causing all kinds of trouble. Now, we have CHELSEA who can be very boring sometimes. The reason for this is because Oscar hasn't progressed into the player expected, most of the time leaving them with no number 10. They had no creativity against Man City, no pace in the centre. This is because they were lacking a number 10 who can make something happen. MANCHESTER CITY and ARSENAL again have top number 10s, great variety. Ozil can be lazy and sluggish but when on form
his passing is unplayable and can be very prolific on assists because he's always looking for the ball in there. silva, best number 10 around, quality! Makes everything effortless.

Now your probably thinking where is my point going? All these number 10s from the selected teams play in their position. We lack creativity in the central attacking area, we lack goals in that area. The reason why? We don't play our number 10s there. Madness. JUAN MATA, He is our number 10, proved his class at Chelsea there. Scores goals and his passing is exceptional. Always looking to show for the ball in tight space, very positive player and if played there will certainly speed up our play and increase our possession in the final third for sure. We also have WAYNE ROONEY, who scores goals and is at its best when facing the goal. So we have two world class number 10s and yet none of them are played there, that's why our football can be boring at times. No creativity in the centre.

21 Aug 2015 11:28:46
Agree with everything except that Rooney is a world class number 10. His touch and short range passing let's him down. I think world class gets thrown around too much and I'd even say Mata isn't world class either, a great number 10 though and proven that he can do it. We have Pereira and Januzaj who could have the potential to turn in to great number 10s too.

21 Aug 2015 12:08:35
Have yo disagree as barca don't play with a number 10 position they play busquets as pivot and iniesta and rackatic ahead the exact formation we played last year with our good run of results we had carrick pivot and herrra and fellini ahead . bayern also play 4-1-4-1 again no number 10 as gotze warms the bench and plays from the left. Silva yes plays number 10 role to perfection in 4-2-3-1 so i ask what formation do we play ta put mata in there the same as city with januzai and memphis on the sides with sweinstiger and morgan sitting ? I personally prefer how we played last year as 4-3-3 but my mid this year would be morgan pivot sweinstiger and hererra ahead and then memphis rooney and januzai front 3 .control game more and have more counter attack pace in tat formation.i like mata but i prefer 4-3-3 so he has miss out for me .sorry mata

21 Aug 2015 16:45:35
Iniest and Messi are both number 10s. Meaning you will find them floating around in there. Not sure what your talking about but rackitic and iniesta do not mirror each other. Iniesta is more advanced.

21 Aug 2015 09:14:09
Pull out the massive rants people only when the transfer window is over! Judge it then, not now. be annoyed now that teams wait to deadline day but don't go into meltdown and start talking of LVG sackings lol. 3 wins from 3 and possibly 4 from 4 tomo.

21 Aug 2015 10:28:34
Mrs D. Many have been saying that since the window opened, however, were 9 days away and no RW no striker, and no experienced CB.
So how long shall we wait? Do you think our team will challenge this year with the squad we've got?

21 Aug 2015 12:30:54
Sch,

Wait 9 days, you answered your own question mate, and yea I do think it will challenge, might fall short but we have a bloody good squad of players.

21 Aug 2015 08:43:17
Can't wait for the transfer window to shut! Sends people crazy. The amount of stories the media come out with is boring

21 Aug 2015 09:53:30
and the LVG rants are just as boring.

21 Aug 2015 02:04:00
Wont be long now before the Gold & Green scarfs are back at OT. The mention of Boycotting OT unless LVG is sacked and the Glaziers out brigade start playing. How LVG expects us to defend and also score goals is beyond me.

He must really believe that shweini and MS can protect the CBs for the whole season with carrick cover for blind or smalling. I then think he is certain Rooney won't get injured and bang in the goals with all these extra games we are now playing this season, if we look back at last season yes we kept possession very well but we were not exactly burning out due to lack of games in the FA cup and Champions league ETC.

So MR LVG how do we cope when Blind & Carrick get injured or Rooney and Depay suffer exhaustion. does Smalling feel too much pressure and make harsh challenges, Fellani lead with his elbow or little pea & J:Wilson take the lead in the big games against the top 5 teams.

It won't work and it certainly won't win us trophies, i'm all for playing youth and trying to replecate the class of youth in the 90s but this is 2015 and our opponents atm have plenty of depth and quality in their youth that we as the fans can honestly say that our youth players and some 1st team players would not get a game for the top 5 teams without proper match experience.

So excuse my rant LVG and all the board at MUFC, but put that money from the Addidas deal app £750mill, £45mill from the sale of ADM, The savings of sold players wages based on 4 yrs and the sell out sales of season tickets which should come close to 900 mill if not more. We all would ask that you simply put 150 mill of that towards 2 WC marquee signings that will merit & prove the claim of utd being the biggest club in the world and give us confidence not hope for the season ahead

21 Aug 2015 05:25:11
Amen Red devil. This is a very good post.

A rant it may be but it is a constructive rant addressing what needs to be addressed. Fair play.

21 Aug 2015 06:47:42
Agreed

21 Aug 2015 07:33:00
Very good post that stand, don't agree with it all mate but u do make some very valid points and offer some questions that need answering.

I'd say wait until the window closes before we can make a definite case on your points but, if the window closes last night I'd say u are bang on!

21 Aug 2015 07:51:35
Signing marquee players doesn't make u the biggest club in the world? Winning trophies does and I'm sure we will given time? I would rather periera n adnan get games than a player who's bought to appease the fans n to show other clubs we the "biggest n best" look what happened with pogba!! I'm not saying we don't need players because we defo do but not just any "big players" they have to be right

21 Aug 2015 08:02:31
Red devil good post.
Can't say I agree with you but I am more than aware there are many and who do.
The main point you are making is with regards to signings, a fair point to raise. But who exactly would your two marquee signings be and for what positions?! I think we are in the hunt for a CF, hopefully one of Lewandowski, Kane, Benzema, Berahino, Higuain, Bale, Muller. We need someone who can mix it up a bit in that position but that aside I can't see much more wrong with the team at present. If you find the time have a read of some of the Football News Articles found on the linked page of the same name, there are some good reads that will offer you encouragement towards a manager who you have misjudged I fear. I for one believe the man is a genius and am extremely happy with both the business and improvement in our team over the past 14 months.
If De Gea leaves this window we will prob also get a GK.
Look forward to reading your response and I really do encourage you to read some of those articles, particularly two of the more recent from Moon.

21 Aug 2015 08:26:26
Reddevil. Excellent post. I think what Reddevil is getting at is the fact that we keep saying we're one of the top three clubs but we're certainly not acting like it in the transfer window.
The pedro deal fell through when United were haggling over £3m at which time, Chelsea came in and offered the full asking price and the rest is history.
Our nett spend IS virtually nil in this window so there should be plenty of money to spend. The club keep telling us that they have a shed load to spend but when it comes to doing it,they're talking the talk but certainly not walking the walk.
Of course there's no guarantee that world class players will be a success, but I think we all know that if we bought Bale and lewandawaski or muller then it will instantaneously make us a team to fear.
Time to stop the hollow talk and actually put their money where their mouth is.

21 Aug 2015 08:56:49
Wow, so much negativity after 2 games in, I for one am glad we didn't sign Pedro £20m+ is a lot of money to spend on someone who will warm the bench and possibly prove to be poor just like ADM and Navas, Otamendi however would of improved our defence but is Blind really do that bad? is he really TOO small? Puyol was only 5'10 and was a BEAST, give Blind time with Smalling and they could prove to be a solid partnership with pace and strength. Rooney will struggle to score 20 plus goals if he is up front on his own, I've always said he can not spear head an attack, however who out there can do better would we want a 34 year old striker with an Ego as big as LVG?? there is no one available on the market, but that isn't to say there will be no one available in January, We have fixed our Midfield we will break teams down (im happy winning 1-0 every game) and we won't concede many goals atm i only see Man City as being a more complete team then us, Chelsea are panic buying Arsenal are still not looking to strengthen the positions they need and Liverpool are a team that need time to gel and BR isn't the man to turn them into title challengers, so relax, we have won the tittle with worse squads, we will qualify for the Champions League and the right players will be signed.

21 Aug 2015 09:14:23
Give it a rest, do you know what will be happen the rest of this window? Truth is no one does so let's calm down and see before getting all whiney.

21 Aug 2015 09:21:09
Anyone would think we're bottom of the league and got battered by Brugge, honestly if you think the club aren't working on transfers then you're crazy. Ed002 has said that all the top clubs including us are still looking to complete business, it's not as easy as just offering shed loads of cash stop being so damn naïve and get behind your team it's pathetic.

21 Aug 2015 09:21:22
I thought from the first paragraph of that post it was going to be Betty writing a joke post, boycotting the stadium until LVG get sacked was my favourite bit, supporting United is supposed to be enjoyable, we are lucky to support such a great team with great history, posts like these do make me giggle.

Well written and well argued points that I mainly disagree with, like Chris said it might be better waiting until the window closes before we start writing the club off, the 4 signings this summer have all improved the first team, we aren't far off now, and Schnomid, isn't the spend spend circa 20 million at the moment? Wish I could say that was close to nil!

21 Aug 2015 09:26:35
Good post RedDevil, but a premature one at that. Give it till the end of the window and then maybe you can bring your scarf back out.

21 Aug 2015 10:38:38
Wise words Brendan!

21 Aug 2015 10:36:31
Am I the only one who thinks that was a terrible post?

For start the 750 mill from adidas is spread out not all in one lump sum. No wonder the eds don't talk money.

21 Aug 2015 10:48:28
Andyk.I almost disagree on everything you posted.
Pedro turn out as bad as ADM? I'm not Pedro's biggest fan, but he'll do 100% better than ADM. For a start, he's a hard worker and has proved successful for years.
Are you really suggesting that Blind is going to be as good as Otimendi in CB position? Come on, that's a ridiculous statement.
Do we need the 34 striker with the big ego? I presume you mean 33 year old ibrahimovich? The answer is a big fat YES. Rooney will not and cannot play the CF roll and will struggle all day long up there on his own.
You're happy to win 1 nil every week? You are kidding I hope!! Were not 70s arsenal team thank God.
Only city have a better team? You're wrong, Chelsea and arsenal also have far superior teams.
Chelsea poanic buying? I don't think so, they've bought an excellent right winger, a very good left back, and are the n the process of buying Stones who will be the best CB in England over the next two years, and they're also trying to buy Pogba. Not sure all these are panic buys!!
Agree with you that we've strengthened well in midfield.

21 Aug 2015 11:03:09
I believe that we will still bring in a CB and Forward. Whether they are the world class level i am unsure.
However if we do not then we should not be worrying about the lack of cover in places. as it stands we have
Smalling/Blind. Next cover Jones/Rojo/Evans, after that McNair/Blackett who got good experience last year.
In the CF position where there is 1 place we have Rooney, Chica, Wilson with Fellaini able to step in if needed.
Wide we have Januzai, Deepay, Mata, Valencia, Young
Midfield we have Basti, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Harera, Pereira
We also have some youngsters to call on as well.
I am not saying we don't need more but please don't tell me we don't have cover. Plus remember if injuries kick in come december we can buy/loan again in January.

21 Aug 2015 12:32:59
Mort,

No mate, me also, couldn't work out why so many people said it was a good post, was a bit weird.

21 Aug 2015 16:40:37
Definitely, it was like i'd stepped into twilight zone