Manchester United Banter Archive December 21 2011

21 Dec 2011 23:55:33
And people say berba has lost his touch?

Good forward, just doesnt fit our gameplay anymore.

RedDevil92

21 Dec 2011 22:28:39
It looks as if the Basel game has given us the kick up the backside we needed! Good performance, let's hope it continues!

G.A.G.U.S

21 Dec 2011 22:05:17
Job well done by the boys today, absolutely fantastic. No criticism from me today mates. 5 to 0 at Craven Cottage! What a gift!

YankSAW

21 Dec 2011 21:54:04
2 great goals to finish off a good game...

great performance first half....

a little lacking in the second but fulham died in the last 10 and we took advantage which is a good sign...

all in all...... great win...

come on lads keep it going..

oxred

21 Dec 2011 20:57:18
My brother (spurs supporter) just said to me ''If pedro mendes' ghost goal at old trafford had of been given then Giggsy would of just scored the 20,000th goal in the premier league'' haha...mufc

21 Dec 2011 20:44:35
And who said nani wasnt world class?

21 Dec 2011 20:09:26
Im actually embarrassed for liverpool, very cringe worthy with the suarez tops on, i think they need to hire some new PR people, they havnt even seen the acts of what was said in the case yet, no class, twitter and facebook is in meltdown with the amount of abuse they are taking...mufc

21 Dec 2011 19:36:33
Sad scouse team all wearing Suarez tee shirts - just can't stop digging that hole can they ?

21 Dec 2011 19:12:16
________Lindegaard
Small__Evans__Jones__Evra
_____Carrick___Giggsy
Tony.V____Rooney____L.Nani
_________Welbeck

Is Rio being rested or is he injured? I thought Linders would play tonight. I hope Giggs can keep possession and I am disappointed Jones isn't in midfield. Why not play Valencia at RB, Smalling & Evans as CB's and Jones in midfield?

Sydney!

21 Dec 2011 18:55:18
Just to let you know, Match Day Live is free-to-air on MUTV tonight at 7pm.

#ags 19

21 Dec 2011 17:44:42
Sorry about that last post Ed was meant for the everton rumours page. Could you post it up there for me please
Cheeks {Ed002's Note - I cannot move them around.}

21 Dec 2011 17:43:15
I wonder where our friend gandolph has gone now that it has been confirmed that steve ross has not been in any talks regarding everton. Another bs takeover rumour. I am getting h*cking sick to death of it now
Cheeks

21 Dec 2011 17:10:28
I find it funny reading peoples views on the Suarez/Evra case. Liverpool FC and their fans main argument is "How can the punish Suarez by going on Evra's words alone. It's just one word against another"

Well LFC and said fans, since your club released a statement claiming Suarez is innocent and the FA have said he's guilty. It's just your words against theirs. Why should we believe you?

Oh the irony!

Mumbles

21 Dec 2011 16:49:01
Look at the bright side lfc fans , at least swarez is not banned from european competition ;)
Mick

21 Dec 2011 16:05:11
''This is a business, not a charity. Like many of us thought back in September, he will sign a one year extension then be sold in January.''
Sydney!

Really syd? We are just a business now?
Aint you fond of calling players 'greedy mercenaries' when the treat football like a business and try to maximise their financial gain, e.g sniejder, aguero, nasri...
It all seems abit hypocritical to me.
Please explain to me how it's right for the club to mistreat berbatov( who pushed for a move to our club, stated that he would love to spend the rest of his career at o.t and was our top scorer last season) purely for financial gain.
We could release him. Am sure a few top clubs would be interested in him on a free, e.g inter, A.C, possibly bayern. That would Allow him to salvage his career and win a few more trofies. This is the right thing to do given that we re the ones that dont want him and his done nothing wrong BUT NO, we cant do that because money should come before everything else including being loyal or being ethical.
Is this the message we want to send out to our players and prospective players?
Because players will fill that, if the club can behave in a 'mercenary like' fashion then so can they. If so, we should expect more of the rooney, progba, nasri, sniejder sagas.

Millz

21 Dec 2011 15:36:19
Please stop Suarez getting player of the year by voting for Rooney at:-www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/player-of-2011

then follow the link and vote for Giggs as all time player of the year and stop Gerrard getting it!!

21 Dec 2011 14:43:50
So what's the line-up going to be tonight then lads? I think Welbeck will keep his place, he works hard to make space and he needs a run of games to get to his best. He has put away two offside goals this season, he had that cracking shot against QPR. I don't think it will be long until he is knocking them in far more regularly. I think Lindegaard may get the nod tonight, just a hunch.

_______Lindegaard
Small__Evans__Ferdy__Evra
_____Carrick___Beast
Tony.V____Rooney____L.Nani
_________Welbeck

DDG
Fryers
Park
Giggs
Young
Hernandez
Berbatov

Post in Banter please Ed? Lets try and get the topic changed.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I think that is the team that will play aswell}

21 Dec 2011 14:12:14
I can't believe how badly Liverpool FC are handling the Suarez issue.

Firstly, Liverpool claim that the incident was Evra's word against Suarez, and therefore cannot be proven. However, the main thrust of their defence was that they admitted the "negrito" word was directed at Evra, but is not a racist term in Suarez's country. This is notwithstanding that Suarez has worked in northern Europe for the past 4 years and therefore undermines the mitigation of cultural difference. They have admitted themselves that Suarez used a word that is consistant with reference to Evra's race/colour, which is basically the FA charge, so the issue that this is one player's word against another is completely erroneous.

Secondly, the statement Liverpool issued last night was an irresponsible knee jerk reaction. Firstly it was made without receipt of the FA's written reason for the disciplinary decision, and was incredibly vindictive and dismissive in tone.

Thirdly, how did Liverpool FC allow an employee to represent them who believes that using this language in the course of their employment is acceptable? An employer, used to managing internation employees, should take a level of responsibility

Hopefully someone will sit down with Dalglish and point out that, although noone, including Evra, is suggesting that Suarez is a racist, his comment(s) were unacceptable in a society that values that directing comments to another human being that are based on their skin colour/race is unaaceptable.

Liverpool FC's and Dalglish's reputation is being tested here. They would do well to think through what they are defending, and how they are being perceived by the wider population.

21 Dec 2011 13:13:26
With the draw against Ajax we have the chance to not only look at Eriksen but also Van Der Wiel and Vertonghen. However i for one will also be watching out for the City Porto game with players like Hulk, Moutinho, Guarin and Defour playing. Will be a really tough game for City, will show exactly how good they are or if they're just having a good run.

RedDevil92

21 Dec 2011 12:36:00
I know your all probably sick of hearing from LFC fans but please bear with me.
Despite anyones allegiances, the fact is Suarez was NOT charged with being a racist. He was charged with 'misconduct', in other words he used abusive language, using whatever words you wish to use.
Patrice Evra has also admitted using abusive words to Suarez, therefore like Suarez he is presumably also guilty.

But my point is this:

Rooney uses abusive and foul language in EVERY game he plays in. He swears constantly at referees. This will presumably now be regarded by the FA as misconduct. The floodgates will now open. Every time Rooney or indeed ANY MUFC players swears on TV there will be a call for charges of misconduct to be used.

The game has gone silly. Suarez and Evra gave each other verbals and now Suarez has an EIGHT game ban and he is being treated like a racist.... despite the fact that Evra or the FA dont think he is racist!

Any fair minded supporter will have misgivings on this FA verdict, the rest of the world are bemused at the stance taken by the FA, and so am I. Suarez is a family man and by all accounts a very decent lad. The whole saga was initiated by Fergie taking Evra to the ref and he has now stood back and let everyone else crucify Suarez.

Tel 1949

21 Dec 2011 11:31:59
Really?

With no disrespect I come on here to read about football, to have a laugh, a little bit of a debate, etc. with fans of our club and other clubs.

So the last thing I want to read about is Suarez and Evra. Liverpool fans won't back down as they're backing their player, we won't back down because we're backing ours. so how about we all move on and talk about football?


The Moon.

21 Dec 2011 08:57:47
I would like to see erikson and m'villa at united.

both great players and young. Erikson can add that creative spark that we need and m'villa in my opinion is a better carrick.

what you think ed?

gus {Ed007's Note - I've been keeping an eye on Rennes because CFC got them in the Europa League, I must say I'm not overly impressed with M'Villa TBH, he was red carded at Parkhead.}

21 Dec 2011 10:09:34
syd
how do you find out how much players wages are yesterday you posted how much ozil and gaitan were on not to mention every united player how do you find out is there a website or something
jred

21 Dec 2011 08:58:31
Regarding Suarez the punisnment for Suarez should be one match ban for being ignorant of cultural difference about using certain types of words. Evra on the other hand should get 5 match ban for using words that are known to be offencive in South American/Spanish speaking countries.

Steve068

21 Dec 2011 02:47:42
if i could just clear something up,

i am not saying this just because i am a utd fan but legally speaking saurez does have a leg to stand on. Before people kick off, my wife is a sports industry lawyer and has assured me that although considerably dumbed down, is all legally sound.

As saurez admitted that he did say it, all the fa would need is evidence that saurez knew this would be unacceptable behaviour, and before anyone tries to claim that he did not, professional clubs are legally required to 'educate' all employee's on discrimination in the workplace and then must sign to show they have complied with these requirements (employment act 2008).
this is a mandatory requirement and are usually done along with the other requirements such as the dangers of the work place, health & safety, fire protocols etc etc. it is also common practice to have such clauses written into their contracts so he really has no defence

i think it is also important to remember that he was NOT found guilty of racism but of misconduct, which he still cant argue against.

for those who think that his appeal will be overturned on the basis that other players use the same name well this is NOT an adequate defence, if you pick the ball up in the middle of the park, you cant then turn to the ref and say 'its ok the gk does it all the time' its still handball, the same way saurez cant tell the fa 'its ok coz so does everyone else' it just means cases can be brought against those who can be proved also used said remarks or were stupid enough to admit to it as saurez was.

ps sorry for the long post and the handball scenario was only for explanation purposes, i do not believe handball is comparable to racism but mearly its hypothetical justification

dags

21 Dec 2011 00:25:28
Can anyone answer this for me?.if Liverpool unsuccessfully.appeal against the Suarez ban.will the number.of games be increased? Thanks.in advance
Geordie

20 Dec 2011 22:54:36
You forgot to mention that Evra called Suarez a "Sudaca", a term used derogatively in continental Europe against South Americans, and as offensive as the N-word is.