Manchester United Banter Archive June 21 2012

 

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21 Jun 2012 22:49:38
We have Toni Valencia and he's from Ecudor (check spelling) were being linked with James Rodriguez from Columbia, both countries not far away from each other so maybe that's the link that will see us sign Rodriguez who looks just a bit good. Fergie is going for pace with his signings so fingers crossed... {Ed007's Note - Man Utd have Ryan Giggs who plays for Wales and Darren Fletcher that plays for Scotland, I think maybe Kyle Lafferty from Rangers (IL) could be a target to replace Berbatov...... Shakira is from Colombia (check spelling), Anderson is from Brazil has an ar$e the same size as hers so it could be a fight between Barca and Utd for Rodriguez.}

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'Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...'. But it's still pi$$ funny. :o)

fatfugazi {Ed007's Note - I'm Scottish mate, I was born a sarcastic b*st*rd and I will die a sarcastic b*st*rd. It's genetic!!}

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Anderson's a$$ is massive compared to Shakira's.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - We'll take your word for it GAGUS, who am I to argue with an expert on the subject.}

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Do you think we could use Anderson to tempt Pique back to old trafford?

Danny Pughnited {Ed007's Note - If Anderson dropped the soap who knows... Could he tell the difference?}

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Bond = legend.

Saying what I think every night mate!

GDS {Ed007's Note - Thanks mate.}

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Classic bond. lol, But on a serious note we could end up with quite a south american vibe through out the team, Rafael and Fabio(Brazil) Valencia(Ecuador) along with Rodriguez(Colombia), Henriquez(Chile) and Oviedo(Peru) as well as Hernandez who you could argue is central american rather than south. Just missing and Argie to complete the set really. lol.

Shappy {Ed007's Note - It's all a ploy to get Messi, Cavani and Sanchez in Shappy. Maradona is favourite to take over from AF with Ian Holloway as his assistant. SSShhh , I heard ed002 talking her sleep last night! If that doesn't happen she has some serious questions to answer about her dreams!!!!!}

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Well, i'm not Scottish, but i am a Murray...so i guess i'm also genetically pre-disposed Mr.Bond...:o)

fatfugazi {Ed007's Note - Well would you mind telling your Andy to get his finger out, he's turning into a right red neck.}

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Get a room :]

Cban {Ed007's Note - Is that an offer? Am I paying for it or are you?}

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Not sure if I've been insulted or complimented.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - What do you think...really?}

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Gagus scottish don't do compliments haha

Ed007 your class

Neil

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Bond

Andy is a big Hibs fan so he has more than enough of a reason to be a moody useless fanny ha.

Also GDS

Did you mean to say that you think of Anderson dropping the soap at night? Interesting haha.

Jono

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Oviedo is Costa Rican I thought Shappy? I though we had the most South American vibe in the the Prem anyway, but I agree, it would be funny to have one from every country in the continent!

Sanshine {Ed002's Note - Costa Rica is not in South America - it is in Central America.}

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Jono,

I posted before bonds reply even came up, the sneaky git then put it after the shower thing. His response to the first post was hilarious especially the (check spelling) lol.

GDS

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Yeah I know, I couldn't think of where he was from, for some reason I was thinking it was either Peru or Paraguay. Should have looked it up. Lol. Ah well.

Shappy

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Technically Central America is a subcontinent of North America. So you could also say Costa Rica is in North America.
...although some maintain that North and South are part of one continent: America.

M.D.

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21 Jun 2012 22:38:01
Would like to hear peoples thoughts on kawaga and powell. I havnt seen both play and would to hear someones opinon who has seen them play last season are the season before and there best positon. Belfast red

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Powell is a diamond in the rough, he is two footed, tall, skillful and a terrific prospect. He appears to have a good attitude too which will set him in good stead at united, could well be a club legend in the making, depends how well he steps up from L2 to PL unless he is loaned out.

Kagawa is a very classy and technical player, he is a superb striker of the ball but doesn't shy away from the hard graft either. A very team-orientated player who is not only terrific for our Asian fan base but is a fabulous addition to our squash due to his caliber and versatility

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21 Jun 2012 22:24:35
Now the Nani debate has been spoken about alot over the last day or two and it's clear which posters are on which side. Myself i feel he is a good player and one i'd be sad to see leave but not a player who isn't able to be replaced.

But the point i feel everyone has missed is the most important one of all. Why is he being sold? As his possible sale i feel will be a watershed moment in the history of the club and the ownership by the Glaziers.

If he is being sold for football reasons and he will be adequately replaced then i see nothing wrong with his transfer...........but if he is being sold as part of a financial plan and not for footballing reasons then it could be the true begining of the end for our club. Is he being sold as it makes the most financial sense to sell him while his potential cost is at it's highest and when the club stand to gain the most financially out of any deal and if so does this set a dangerous precendent.

I'm worried that we may become a club that sell's it's star players when they are at their peak thus getting the most money possible from them and then replace them with another cheap young lad with potential who we can sell for a large profit once he reaches his potential.

If Nani is sold then we need to look closely at who replaces him. Do we invest the money in a genuine potential world class player like Rodriguez or Muniain or do we spend it on a little known player with potential like Obertan or Bebe? Do we go with the best option or the cheap one?

From where i'm standing it seems like the potential sale of Nani is more about getting the best price for him than it is for footballing reasons as no matter how frustrating he is sometimes he is still one of our most creative players.

I just hope if he does go then we see a proper replacement come in and not some bargin basement kid with "potential".

Shappy

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An interesting side note is if we sell nani that will be up there with the sales of kanchelskis, stam and Keane we all know that SAF doesn't,t shirk on the tough decisions.

Me I,ll trust the manager to do what is right for the club

Pardoe

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If we sell nani it will be completely different to kanchelskis,stam, and keane
jred

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What a bargain basement type player like Hazard? Would Hazard have been on less wages than Nani? Come on Shappy, not one of your best posts. Did we sell Vidic at his peak? Did we sell Rio to Spurs two summer's ago when the injuries kicked in? Did we cash in on Evra two summer's ago when Inter came calling? Nani will be sold for tactical reasons, nothing more.

Sydney!

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Jred is spot on, Kanchelskis was sold to make room for Beckham. Stam was sold for numerous reported reasons, suspected steroid taking, his controversial book and for tactical reasons, although the latter is unlikely due to the fact he was in his prime and the fact SAF has said he was a bit hasty when selling him. Keane got old and an argument with the manager sealed his fate.

Sydney!

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Remind me again syd who is Hazard playing for next season. If were honest there has been alot of players who we were in for but didn't get(Villa, Benzema, Sanchez, Sneijder and now Hazard with Modric lined up next). What they all have in common is they were expensive and we didn't get them. So if we sell Nani and don't adequately replace him then it would be a bad sign.

Shappy

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Shappy, we are not the only club to lose out to other clubs when trying to sign top players. All clubs lose out to other clubs every transfer window. Did City get Hazard? The point is we TRIED to replace Nani with Hazard and my question to you is whether you see Hazard as a bargain basement type player? And do you believe the salary we offered Hazard was lower than Nani's current salary? I doubt that very much.

Also if we were looking to offload players while their value is still high enough for us to cash in on, then why didn't we flog Carrick, Vidic, Evra or Ferdinand when their values were still high enough for the club to make a profit? Like I said Shaps this was not one of your better posts as you are not usually pessimistic like this. If Nani is sold it's because the manager WANTS to sell him, not because the Glazers have told him to. It's the manager's decision who stays and who goes.

However I do hope we do not let Nani go unless we replace him properly, I have said that all along.

Sydney!

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Besides Benzema CHOSE Real Madrid, Villa CHOSE Barcelona and Sanchez CHOSE Barcelona. Hardly down to cash, more to do with location.

Sydney!

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More to do with Madrid and barce being the biggest 2 clubs in the world
Jred

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Jred, you are right with what you have said before. The two Spanish clubs have the whole package. History, wages, location, big stars. Although some players are simply all for the cash.

Sydney!

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21 Jun 2012 22:21:21
What really frustrates me with Nani is not partically his inconsistancy, but more his matureness. He should be at an age where he's making more good decisions that bad on the pitch, but unfortunately he's still making so many poor decisions its heartbreaking. I say heartbreaking because everyone knows that with a bit more thought into his game , he really could be an outstanding player. Such a shame if he doesn't reach the peak he's capable of in his career.

On a transfer note - I really think Nick Powell will light up next year (almost Rooney-esk vs Arsenal for Everton). Outstanding talent however as we've seen with Nani (nicely linking everything together) talent is only part of it. Attitude, determination, matureness are essential of he wants to be the golden boy of English football, because it's there for him if he wants it bad enough. From what i've seen and heard, sounds like he's got a wise head on his shoulders.

WF Red Devil

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Nick powell has done well in Division 3. Do you know the gulf in class between Division 3 football and top club EPL and CL competition...clearly not. It is huge. Nick Powell will do well to make the Carling Cup team, and would probably be better served loaned out to a Championship club next year.

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This nani debates going on a bit isn't it? Lets just say he's a marmite player and be done with it. Not saying your wrong WF Red Devil I completely agree.

I hope your right about Nick Powell as well, and that he can cut it in the premier league. Always happy to have young english in the talent in the Team. Just hope he gets enough games.

Red Joe

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Like most probably, only seen Powell since we were linked with him. Certainly does look a talent, but does anybody see him playing this season for us and breaking through, and if so where as I get the impression he is a Number 10 type and Rooney and Kagawa can play there of course. Read he can play as a striker but again Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez could be fighting for just one striker slot? Im sure I read one Ed raving about his saying he could play the Scholes role even but surely not mature enough to step in there yet?
Invisible STuey

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No name, what like AOC?

Sydney!

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To the unnamed poster. You say the OP doesnt know the difference between the leagues but clearly you havent seen young Powell play. Now Im not saying he will take the league by storm but do well to make the COCup team? Really? The lad, if not loaned out, will get his fair share of football this season; the cup being a guarantee.

TK-Red

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I think Powell will play a few games out on the wing as Sir Alex likes to blood youngsters out wide and move them in field once they've had abit of experiance, So they don't get thrown into the deep end.

Shappy

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Powell has all the potential to take the epl by storm, i for one hope he does.

so should every other united fan, powell is quality for his age, 18 lest not forget.

loads of other clubs where in for him lets count ourselves lucky.


stop being so narrow minded and pessimistic.

cban

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21 Jun 2012 22:17:50
At the risk of causing a stir... for me until messi proves it in the EPL he will never be as great as Ronaldo! He's surrounded by xavi n iniesta or aguero n tevez whereas despit the Real players being great he has more to do then messi does for club and country! As an all round complete player Ronaldo is 1st and messi is 2nd for me!

Welsh Red

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Ummm i'd disagree, Messi is one of the best players of all time(as is Ronaldo). But i do feel he needs to show more with Argentina and it'll be interesting to see how he plays for Barca once Iniesta and Xavi have left or if he played in a different league. I don't buy into the media hype about the premier league, it is a good league but no better than la liga or the bundesliga.

Shappy

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I may be biased but I totally agree. The other problem i have is with all the Barcelona players, I know they're great technicians, their passing is fantastic and they are for me the best team in the world BUT i just find them boring to watch, they all seem like clones. I know they are technically gifted but I'd rather watch Madrid, Man Utd or Even Tottenham or Arsenal above Barca any day.

Red Joe

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I get your point, neither have really performed for there countries like there clubs. And Messi is surrounded by remarkable players as well. But why does he have to prove it in the EPL and not say Italy or Germany. I think Messi will stay with Barca for the majority of his career and that wont stop him from being one of the greats of all time either. Ronaldo can do more than Messi to be fair, pace, power, tricks, free kicks, heading ability, long range shots. I would put Messi ahead on passing but I think although personal opinion most people would stioll go for Messi as nobody can run with the ball and beat 4 or 5 players so majestically with the ball and finish so calmly as him, for that alone I would say he is the worlds best
Invisible Stuey

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I agree that Ronaldo is more complete but what Messi does he does better than Ronaldo. But one of the main reasons i think people put Messi above Ronaldo is Ronaldo has a way of rubbing some people up the wrong way and appears arrogant. So i think emotion has a big effect with alot of people when it comes down to their choice of which they think is best. It's much the same in the Pele/Maradona debate, Maradona was the more complete player but Pele was a gentleman and Maradona was a tosser so people choose Pele over Maradona for the wrong reasons.

Shappy

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A lot of the amazing things Pele did wasn't caught on camera, and from what I've heard from my Dad and Grandad is that Maradona never even came close to him. Pele I'm sure is considered by many to be the greatest player of all time by merit alone.

Red Joe

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Agreed Shapps

Peoples opinion of the players are always clouded by their opinions of the person. On top of that they also will prefer Messi over Ronaldo here in Britain as Ronnie is ex United which will still sway a fair few non United fans in favour of Messi.

Imo Maradonna was undoubtedly the best player ever. I don't even rate Pele in the top three. On the Ronnie Messi choice I feel my opinion my be biased but Ronnie has been amazing for two of the worlds biggest teams and while Messi has won more personal awards in a great Barca team the next few years without Pep and the eventual retirement of Xavi and Puyol could effect the Barca team as a whole and therefore Messi's performance. We will have to see.

Its another point that Ronnie has played with two different squads of players and has taken the lead in both squads as the star player where Messi has done it with one. Thats no slant at Messi or saying he needs to prove anything as an individual but playing in a different squad and adapting to a different league, style, climate and culture should add to what a player has achieved. Another thing Maradonna had over Pele imo.

Jono

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Messi is more of a team player in my eyes , when messi is on the top of his game the whole team look amazing , when ronaldo is on the top of his game ronaldo looks amazing.
Another way to look at is that even with all them great players around him messi still looks a step up
jred

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Zidane is best I have seen imo but not old enough to have seen pele play so can't pass fair judgement

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21 Jun 2012 21:59:09
Fed up of these 'football experts' posting Modric wont come because of Kagawa, If you watch football you would know they are different players in different posistions.

1redarmy

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21 Jun 2012 21:58:16
At the risk of being guilty of MOTD fever, would a bid for Joao Moutinho be worth a shout? He's been on the scene for a while now, but still young enough. Thoughts?

Adz

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I think he could be a great shout, but i think he would cost a fair bit as Porto have a habit of selling their best players for a premium.

Shappy

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21 Jun 2012 21:01:03
I'm starting to suspect that one of you posters is infact Martin Keown. He seems incapable of giving Nani any credit either ;)

TK-Red

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Nani wasnt great against a poor team and a poor fullback

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That wasnt my point but each to their own.

TK-Red

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21 Jun 2012 20:48:02
i really like the look of miguel veloso ,w ud be a cheep alternative to martinez and mvilla and is a good set piece taker, even though this game hasnt been his best, in the 3 group games hes really impressed me.
sulei

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Just no.

DodgyBanter

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Veloso was awful tonight. Portugal's worst player by some distance.

Sydney!

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The fact that he plays for Genoa who were nearly relegated last season and no other top clubs or even mid range clubs have any real interest in him should give you a clue how highly he's rated by those who know football best.

Shappy

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WOuld have loved him years ago before he went to Italy. Techically excellent and very good both going forward and defensively, with a good engine and fitness levels. that was BEFORE he left Lisbon for Italy though. not seen much of him since but personally foudn him dissapointing, looks to have turned into a tidy workmanlike but sluggish player not better or effective than the othe rPrtuges guy played for Liverpool and now Chelsea. Looks out of shape too to me
Invisible STuey

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Stuey, I liked him a few years ago too, to think Genoa got him for around just £4m.

Sydney!

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21 Jun 2012 20:47:21
I would be interested in some clarification. Many posts refer to players we are interested in as second or third choice if a first choice doesn't materialise. What would be the thinking of the club in these circumstances? That number 2 provides something different but that's OK? Or number two means we need to do ths to accommodate him? Or number 2 is OK but we coud make him better? In short how are these lists of potential targets in the same broad area e.g creative midfield thought through in terms f the hoped for shape of the team?

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Normally Sir Alex doesn't have second choices, if the player he wants isn't available then we either sign someone else who offers us something different or he gives youth a chance.

Shappy

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21 Jun 2012 20:46:14
Any chance we could maybe get the Neviller in as coach and gently nudge Phelan out the door or to the reserves etc.....apparently Rooney has said the England camp is the best he's known it, that can't be down to just Woy.

Supasub

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Phelan does a great job at united, and is loyal to the club (been here since the turn of the century). Bring in Neville as a member of the coaching staff yes but show some loyalty to those already doing a fantastic job.

Red Joe

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21 Jun 2012 20:46:14
If we all believe the rumours going around our team will look summet like this


De gea.


Smalling. Jones. Vidic. Baines.

Valencia. Modric. Carrick. Rodriguez

Kagawa.

Rooney.

This would be nice but it ain't gunna happen, this will be the team


De gea.

Smalling. Jones. Vidic. Evra.

Valencia. Cleverly. Carrick. Young


Kagawa
Rooney.

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21 Jun 2012 20:42:32
Contrao has impressed tonight, I think he could challenge for first team straight off if we went for him. Evra would certainly have to roll back a few years to keep him out.

DodgyBanter

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21 Jun 2012 20:42:04
first of all modric is not coming to ot as we have kagawa and i think we need a lb in baines as we relied on evra heavily last year and he will play as a no 10 (kagawa) {Ed004's Note - Why would Modric not come since Kagawa is coming?}

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Ed quite simple this person has not got a clue as to ware kagawa plays
ARB

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21 Jun 2012 20:28:07
For me, united should sign fabio coentroa(real madrid) as a long term replacement for evra. He has had a terrible club season and has lost his international place now. coentao is a class player who is 2nd choice to marcelo and nt happy about it. He's young and would be perfect at united.

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How has he lost his international place. hes playing for portugal right now. ageed hes a good player though

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He is not leaving Madrid, been there one year and has a bright future, wishful thinking, like him alot

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Hasn't he started every game in the euro's?

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Think he's on about Evra losing his international place.

Mad Hatter

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21 Jun 2012 20:28:24
Chelsea staff at stamford bridge have broken the champions league trophy after winning it just a month ago

united4life97

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Old story but sad, i hope the bus isnt damaged, they'll need it again to park it in front of cech
DJ

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21 Jun 2012 20:04:59
anyone think kadlec of the checzh republic would be a good player to bring in as cover for evra ?

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That Gabreil salassie guy's good imo
DJ

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21 Jun 2012 19:54:58
Lol if all the rumours had been true over time then to go with Nani&Ronaldo we would have had most of the Portugal line up!Luckily not Postiga thou!lol

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21 Jun 2012 19:09:17
OK laydees this won't be to everyone's tastes but a potential team for next year:

De Gea
Jones - Vidic - Ferdinand - Evra
Valencia - Carrick - SNEIJDER - RODRIGUEZ
KAGAWA
Rooney

This is our 'usual' 4-4-1-1 but assuming Rooney will revert to out and out striker with the signing of Kagawa.

I've picked Jones over Rafael as I think he can defend better which being a bluff old traditionalist is what I think defenders should do first and foremost.

Evra's inclusion is not because I WANT him in the side (great player that he's been for us in the past aside) however my view is that with Baines price tag meaning he's a non-starter / Willems patently not being good enough given Euros form / Jordi Alba most likely playing at Barca next season, Fergie will give Evra a final year and look to Smalling or Evans as potential cover.

Same players cover Ferdinand's inclusion. Again this is what I think will happen rather than what I would prefer to happen. I think Vidic-Smalling partnership should be given a chance but Ferdinand like Evra will get one more year as 'first choice'.

Given our 2 most high profile targets in Hazard and Modric are off to other teams I believe we will be back in for Sneijder. Showed at the Euros he still has it and his versatility to me means he could play in a deeper-lying Scholes-esque role. We have to remember that the Ginger Prince will have 20+ games too this season and there may be a combination of Scholes - Kagawa, Scholes - Sneijder, Sneijder - Kagawa that SAF may play around with between the creative midfielder and attacking midfield play. Cleverley also fits into that mould too of course.

Rodriguez is the next 'major' signing we will attempt, and if £23m + Anderson has already been mooted I believe we could attract him to OT for say £3-4m more.

A young attacking player with bags of pace. Ideal Fergie buy.

I haven't included Powell in this and it would be interesting to see how much game time he gets this season. I'm assuming he's a 'one for the future' though rather than an immediate first-teamer though in a 55-60 game season he will get his fair share of opportunities for sure.

I don't think we will be in for another striker given we have already signed 2 attacking midfield options in Kagawa and Powell. Appreciate Fergie normally goes for 4 strikers but think the 2 new recruits attacking presence coupled with the need to prioritise remaining spending on midfield means no further striking options.

I don't see us going for a defensive midfielder. Personally I think Carrick is under-rated in this role and also Fergie may consider he has Jones' versatility to help cover if needs be.

Owen gone, Berba going, Anderson and Nani both on the way out too.


Comments welcome my fellow Red brothers and occassional sisters.


Halesini

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We wont get sneijder now I don't think still the team looks good but smalling at centre half with vidic


Dwright

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Bad team. Would get annihilated in midfield.

Percy

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That looks good to be fair, don't think we will get Sneijder though even though he would still offer something.

RedDevil19

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Occasional sisters?! What are you insinuating?!

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21 Jun 2012 18:59:54
Are we still interested in hummels or did he sign a new deal? {Ed004's Note - Think he signed a new deal recently so I don't think so but he would be one hell of a signing}

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Signed a 5 year contract recently
plus i dont think so germans like playing outside germany (exept ozil, he's half turkish anyways)
DJ

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21 Jun 2012 18:39:09
Seriously James Rodriguez will be the best left winger in the world for years and if we miss out on him now we will end up shooting ourselves in the foot once again with transfers..... He is suited to the premier league physicality wise and he is so selfless in his play constantly looking for team mates but he can finish aswell he is left footed and can play central he is a skillfull player that could be in the bracket of the Best and Charlton calibre imo if he is at our club for years !

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A must-buy for sure.
Dear Uncle Fergie .........


Halesini

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21 Jun 2012 18:22:27
What is it with people saying give Nani one more season if we give him that then he will be sold for peanuts ! get rid now with 2 years on his contract and replace him with Muniain or Rodriguez the latter my preference

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21 Jun 2012 17:43:39
we should sign modric and toure. don't know why we signed kagawa he played in the german league and the prem is by fae the best league in the world so he will play rubbish. we should also sign baines for lb £30. dont understand why we sign young players they r not experienced. we are maanchester united we should only be signing players over 25 not young players

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Not even an imaginative wind up...

APC

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Madness just pure madness mate your talking no sense and Kagawa is onr of the best players available on the market in recent times

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Well your clearly a muppet

discountdave

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What a ridiculous post don't buy young players , your whole post is a joke to be honest


Dwright

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Bundesliga player of the year! What are we thinking?

G.A.G.U.S

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Let it go Lee!

Ports

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Are you a liverpool or s**tty fan

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I was o.p . im a man utd man. i don't actually think that. i sometimes to make stupid posts to see what people reactions will be. i don't actually think that

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O.P Whats the point in saying something to provoke a reaction if u disagree with what you are saying, that's like me robbing a bank then after being arrested, i then say to the police i didn't want to rob it just wanted to see what you would do

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What a t**t!

GDS

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21 Jun 2012 17:24:58
Tomboz don't think we are changing the style to suit nani. the style we are changing to just happens to suit him better. Im curious to see how that pans out.

because of the split in opinion its fair to say truth on both sides and that the clubs stance to tentatively go about selling him but not seems to reflect the same.

give him one more seaSon in a new attacking formation. if same ole same old. byes

id be disappointed but not overly suprised if he goes this season
dont think theres anyone that doesnt see why he is frustrating. they are not fools on this site tomboz.

..constantine..

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21 Jun 2012 17:16:47
I dont think there is a chance in hell we could sign Javi Martinez unfortunately as the initial fee and his preferences will not be in our favour.... I do not see Yann M'Villa coming either as he has a bit of baggage and Fergie gets put off by that so who could be bought in to our midfield i could see Miguel Veloso, Yohan Cabaye, Claudio Marchisio, Danielle De Rossi or maybe Maroaune Fellaini bought in but i would like to see Tunners given a run as he is one tough young lad an knows ho to tackle and use his strength imagine this team....


____________________DDG
Rafael_________Vidic________Smalling________Izza
_____________Cleverley_____Tunners___________
Nani_______________Kagawa__________Rodriguez
___________________Rooney

I would like to see Anderson given one more season

I would like to see Nani played on the right and then Valencia and Young the rotators

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My opinon a bit early for Tunnicliffe... Will have to see how he is on the tour (if he goes) and if not this season another loan spell maybe to a premier league team this season and then certainly next year try and fit him in the team

fearny

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Hmmm i see your point but he imo is the perfect premier league defensive midfielder and has all the talent aswell why not put him in at the deep end and take a risk

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We should certainly give him a few games and then we can see how he does. Plus we should give Fryers games, especialli early in the seasona and in the league. Then Evra might finally get the message that he is not indespensable. Gilly

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21 Jun 2012 17:32:26
Hi ed you think we're seriously considering thiago alacantra and could we put a package to get him to ot ;) {Ed004's Note - I don't know if he is being considered and am not sure he would want to leave Barcelona}

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Im not sure id want thiago to be honest i think it will just turn out to be like fabreags and hel end up going back and i dont think barca will sell without a buy back clause

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21 Jun 2012 16:21:55
How about a move for Seedorf?

Has the sort of class and experience we need in midfield!

mitch

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Do you have a scroll function?

Supasub

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HA HA HA HA you see united fans i told you that you were on a decline a couple years ago you were linked to good players and now you are linked to Seedorf who is about 99 years old,trouble is hes still better than all your midfielders even at his age HA HA HA HA. Lee

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Lee, f*ck off!

G.A.G.U.S

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This just confirmed what I suspected. That Scousers can't count.

Percy

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Haven't you got some revision to do Lee?
Maybe spend some time putting up some posters on your bedroom wall of Spearing, Shelvey, Henderson, Ad*m, etc....

Supasub

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And ours are all better than yours Lee

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Since when was we linked with seedorf?

someone suggested him..

we've been in decline since 03 according to you deluded titheads.

JK92

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Coming from someone who's club is linked to Krasic. Well past his best.

Sydney!

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Lee.

Come on son, your banter get's me as confused as a cow on astro turf!

Lads, I think Lee is just getting a bit over confident as he's had a look at the table already and seen Liverpool ahead of us for the first time since shell suits were in fashion, or are they still in Liverpool?

We'll have Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea and Everton fans coming on here bragging how they're currently occupying the Champions League spots soon!

Ports

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From a neutral point of view (without all the crap) I think you have enough 'experience' in the middle of the park with Giggs and Scholes both closing in on 40.

Jolly Red

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Everton fan here boys,just looking what the kopites are saying about united being finished and i think its the biggest load of crap av ever read,united have the foundations to go on for a very long time.Do you united fans understand now why us evertonians hate them deluded kopites so much.Have a good season lads and hope its a good 1st game of the season. Si

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On the decline... Remind me again who overtook Liverpool to win a record 19th league title?

fearny

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We haven't even been linked to Seedorf as far as I'm aware.
Is this even banter?
It's a good job his name's so short, I reckon he's got the "L" & "E" letters on his keaboard marked with tipex.

Supasub

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21 Jun 2012 16:04:02
Sneijder could play deeper like scholes, I fink it would work

Big Mac

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Why would Sneijder join a team that is in decline and wont win the league for about 40 years now,he will either join city,chelsea or be apart of brendans revolution just wait and see. Lee

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We aren't talking about Liverpool, by the way they will *never win the league.

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Lmao Lee we wont win the league based on what ? that are debt is now almost half so therefore will be a ridiculously rich club in a few years and turning over more money than most if not all i believe and that we are still competing at domestic level and in europe once again while your sitting there under everton keeping there bums warm

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Laudrup was the man to go and get, he will take Swansea to places Brendon Rodgers could only dream about.

Sydney!

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21 Jun 2012 15:34:02
so its clear to see united need some steel in the midfield. ideally javi martinez would be perfect but him being overpriced and other top teams interested maybe us getting him is very unlikely. de rossi has been sayin he would be interested in a move to the premier league, i would love for united to sign him. i tell u who would be perfect..mascherano, he is definitly the best defensive mid around at the moment even though he plays c back for barcelona. but i would love to have him at united. also i was thinking by us signing a solid c mid does that mean carrick would be replaced by this signing? or would a defensive mid play aswell as carrick?

we definitly need a new left back evra has been poor for 2 seasons now, gets caught out at the back alot and he doesnt do much up the field, he squanders alot of opportunities in good positions when up the field. willems has been linked today, hes a good young prospect but i dont think we should sign him. although saying that he would probably do a better job than evra. i would rather have evans play left back than evra.

i think modric would be a very good signing for us. we need a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of the game like scholes does. also he can learn from the master for a year which would be good for him. hopefully he will turn down advances from madrid to join us.

wazza1985

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21 Jun 2012 15:44:49
tomboz (continuing a discussion you dont want to go on a bout cept you went on about it)

we were not an effective attacking unit last season. especially against the bigger teams. nani suits an attacking style. ergo he scored and assisted against teams we were able to attack against.
simple

he needs a run of games in a style that suits him imo. but im not blind i see why he frustrates and my argument is a style that suits him will bring out better from him.

and who can we buy thats nails on to be superior and a dead cert to be consistant in the prem? even silva faded out near the end and you cant tell me nani hasnt been effective against all big teams since weve had him?

24 years old is not a write off and someone else will get his peak.

evra on the other hand.....

..constantine..

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Constantine. I didn't say that I didn't want to discuss Nani - merely queried why after months of doing so we persist. I enjoy discussion of all type.

I agree with you (in a sense) that our style of play does not suit Nani - but would perhaps suggest that it is more so that Nani does not suit our style of play.

If we are to change our style of play to suit individual players I believe that there are more fitting players around whom we should be making these decisions.

Who we could buy that's better is a real puzzler. At the moment I can't think of a single player who would step into our team ahead of Nani and improve it (who could perceivably be available). Having watched him play a fair bit over the past few years I can see Muniain being a better player than Nani is now in 3 years time - but don't feel he's good enough at the moment to necessitate the change. That said I'd rather we cashed in on Nani now and snapped Muniain up before his price inflates any further.

T0MB0Z

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T0MB0Z

I think a lot of people miss the point of the Nani debate. It's not about whether he's a good player (he's a great player) - it's about whether he's the right player for our team. I agree with you on Nani, by and large. I think Nani would fit in better in a good Spanish or Italian side where the gameplan revolves around "star" players.

For me, it's not dissimilar to debates that have been had over Beckham or van Nistelrooy in their last 18 months with the club. Both (and particularly the latter) were outstanding players, but both limited us as a team. In RVN's case, when he was left out and Saha played (not in the same league as RVN as an individual player) we were a better TEAM. I capitalised TEAM on purpose - because that's what matters.

DarkLard08

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21 Jun 2012 14:15:07
Why are we still discussing Nani?

Anybody who refuses to see the faults in Nani's game is looking at him through red tinted glasses. There is a reason why so many feel such an abhorrence towards Nani's style of play (inconsistency, tendency to give the ball away, poor decision making, etc) and a reason that SAF seems reluctant to meet his demands for a new contract. It's clear that there is some worth and value in the player - but more so that unlike some at United he is not vital to SAF's plans nor any of our future successes.

One need only look at the number of times Nani lost possession of the ball last season or the fact that 26 of the goals we conceded in the league last season were scored in the 24 games in which he started (compared with 7 in the 14 which he did not) to realise the defensive side of his game leaves a lot to be desired - often leaving Evra very exposed.

His defenders will instantly point to his goals and assists - but with the exception of a goal against Arsenal and a goal and assist against Chelsea (both comfortable wins) - all of his EPL goals and assists came against relatively weak teams (Everton 1/2, Aston Villa 1/1, Norwich 0/1, Fulham 1/2, Wolves 2/1, Stoke 1/0, Bolton 0/2). All of his goals and assists came in just 10 games. The other 19 games he appeared lead to neither goals nor assists. He went on TWO separate 8 game runs (in all domestic competitions) without providing a goal or assist. If that's not inconsistent - I don't know what is...

In comparison - David Silva (who of course, I am aware is a different type of player) provided the assist that beat us towards the end of the season (and ultimately cost us the title) as well as a goal and an assist in the farce at OT. He also provided assists against Tottenham and Liverpool (3), and a goal against Arsenal. Whilst I know they play in different areas of the pitch and have different styles of play - both players are responsible for providing assists and chipping in with the odd goal. These stats should highlight Nani's tendency to go missing when it matters most to anybody who somehow missed it over the course of last season (and indeed, each which has proceeded it).

As I've said - he's far from the worst player in the world and on his day could even be considered one of the best. Unfortunately for him (and of course, us) his day does not come often enough and I fear that his days at Manchester United, as a direct result of this, are numbered. We need a player who's going to perform in every game - not just 1 in 3.

T0MB0Z

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Are they the very same red tinted glasses you see Evra through ;)

Sydney!

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You say that Nani's goals and assists came against weak teams and then go on and say David Silva is better for getting assists against QPR, a Spurs team who started the season poorly and imploded in the second half of the season and perenial mid tablers Liverpool....

TK-Red

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The problem i see here is,will united replace Nani with a more consistent player? Should they come across a better player,are they prepared to pay through their teeth to have this genius of a player who will be consistent in every game he plays?

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If Nani is sold, it will be as much to do with his age and value more than anything else. Over the next few years his transfer value will start to diminish, so if a good offer comes in it makes complete business sense to sell. After all, he isn't critical to the team like Rooney.
He will be replaced, but with a younger model on less wages.

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..................those 'mid-tablers' won a trophy more than you last season and have won more trophies over the entire history of both football clubs. 40 v 41 FACT!
2009 Captain

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Tomboz you clueless luvvy you were probably one of the idiots who used to cheer Alan Smith because he ran around and dived into every tackle occasionally stopping to kiss his badge. Or shouted over Fergie to sign Tevez up when he was trying to do his end of season speech. I AM KLOOT

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Not defending nani but he scored against
city
arsenal
chelsea
and everton although not the best are a good team

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No name, it's solely to do with SAF wanting to sell him for tactical reasons, nothing else. It's the right time to sell him having just two years left on his contract and giving him a new contract would mean other clubs couldn't match his salary. United need to sell this summer and probably will. Of course a younger player on a lower salary will be signed, we are hardly going to bring in an older player on a bigger salary are we?

Sydney!

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'2009 Captain'

I am in no doubt that you conventiently leave out the 'minor' trophies that Liverpool didnt win so many of when putting together your trophy count. If you check your FACTs you will find that by counting EVERY trophy both clubs are equal in terms of trophies. This is all putting aside the FACT that Liverpool have finished 6th or lower for the last 3 seasons. That, my friend, is a FACT!

TK-Red

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I think 2009 captain has got his facts wrong.

Supasub

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Sydney. Evra may not be at his best- but in the league games he played in which Nani was not playing ahead of him the team conceded less than half as many goals than when he played with Nani. This shows that when given the right defensive cover he can still do a job. As I say he's past his best - but still better than Willems - who you seem to be calling for as an instant replacement!

TK-Red. Silva performed in both Manchester Derby's, as well as both games against Liverpool and Tottenham. As someone else mentions - although more often than not Liverpool were poor - on their day they are still a strong team. Some of Silva's goals and assists came against weak teams as well - but the point I was trying to make was that he's a player that can win big games (as he did in both versus us).

RFT. Your interest in Manchester United seems more into the finances than the football. I haven't seen one informed football related argument from you in the time I've frequented this sight - nor have I seen one post from you which isn't slating the glazers or another poster. And I'm the one that's clueless?

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Can we start applying 'the Barcelona test' to whether we think players are good enough for us or not?

Evra - hell no. Past it now though great player for us. Please take a bow and exit stage left with our thanks.

Nani - hell no no no no. May blossom into a great player with someone else but hasn't with us. And in my opinion never will do. Whatever 'it' is, he just doesn't have it.


Halesini

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21 Jun 2012 14:14:51
Anyone else fancy bringing Clarence Seedorf to OT on a free?

Red Joe

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1+ years ago yes, one of the best players of the era.
He would'nt play for a packet of peanut's either.
Alot of people seem to mention free transfer's like they really would'nt cost anything. Agent's and players know that they can quite often get inflated wages when there is little or know transfer fee. At this level add that across a 2+ years contract and it can stretch into million's anyway.

Supasub

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21 Jun 2012 13:49:12
so its clear to see united need some steel in the midfield. ideally javi martinez would be perfect but him being overpriced and other top teams interested maybe us getting him is very unlikely. de rossi has been sayin he would be interested in a move to the premier league, i would love for united to sign him. i tell u who would be perfect..mascherano, he is definitly the best defensive mid around at the moment even though he plays c back for barcelona. but i would love to have him at united. also i was thinking by us signing a solid c mid does that mean carrick would be replaced by this signing? or would a defensive mid play aswell as carrick?

we definitly need a new left back evra has been poor for 2 seasons now, gets caught out at the back alot and he doesnt do much up the field, he squanders alot of opportunities in good positions when up the field. willems has been linked today, hes a good young prospect but i dont think we should sign him. although saying that he would probably do a better job than evra. i would rather have evans play left back than evra.

i think modric would be a very good signing for us. we need a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of the game like scholes does. also he can learn from the master for a year which would be good for him. hopefully he will turn down advances from madrid to join us.

wazza1985

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I know people won't like this suggestion but I reckon Mascherano could sit infront of our back four, he is now 28(ish) & has developed the art of face-grabbing from his current team mate's but I think he's the type of player we could do with, a ball-playing nasty.

Supasub

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Obviously Martinez is my favoured choice and must be on SAF list but I just can't see it happening and that's purely for money reason's and getting out-bid.

Supasub

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Would love to see mascherano at united also, reckon a team like this would be LETHAL!

GK: De Gea
RB: Rafael
LB: Evra
CB: Smalling
CB: Vidic
RM: Valencia
LM: Young
DM: Mascherano
AM: Kagawa
CF: Rooney
CF: Wellbeck/Chico

Preferrably though id want to replace evra and young with possibly the likes of cissokho at lb and stick james rodriguez on the left

What you's think?

Robbo

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21 Jun 2012 13:25:03
watching portugal at the euros with our dear ronnie who was sadly sold to madrid, midfielders came to mind, and have been watching joao mourtiho looks he could do a job for us? what do you guys think?

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21 Jun 2012 13:19:13
Shappy was quicker on the draw but my thoughts exactly.

Jono

I dont think that patched up style suited nani at all. players like that need good rhythm in the play

without it, it can lead to overcompensating and so called bad decision making.

A team being out of tune with itself and Nani being the biggest loser because of the particular set of skills he has.

Valencia is much more direct so doesnt need players to link with to be effective. this is more about the failings of a team than of Nani.

hes one of our best and finally we get a style thaT suits and we wanna sell him?? Nuts

..constantine..

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How many good games as Nani had? Seriously.

He's had his chances. Surely!
(and don't call me Shirley)


Halesini

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21 Jun 2012 13:12:03
Did anyone else know Louis Saha is a free agent at the moment? If it wasn't for his wage demands i think it'd be a great idea to get him back. Knows a lot of the players and coaching staff and at 33 he could replace the outgoing Owen and Berba to be used when ever needed. Did a good job for Spurs in his short time there..

Ozwald

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Why? Theres no chance I heard that he always refused to play with the slightest niggle, he had his chance and he was crap

Pardoe

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Saha was a good player when we had him he was just another player with injuries a lot. I liked him at united but wouldn't take him back

1redarmy

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Injury problems? Yes. A bit of a big girls blouse for not playing with a slight niggle? Maybe. Crap? Certainly not. When on form he was one of the best PL strikers around. Saha was/ is unplayable on his day.

TK-Red

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21 Jun 2012 13:07:08
just putting this out there, I by no means am suggesting anything by it put just pointing it out.

A lot of people are saying that over £20 million for Shneider (spelling) is way to much due to his age, even though you are happy to admit that he is a world class player.

How much would these people be happy to pay for Ronaldo, £60, £70, £80 million? Ronaldo is less than a year younger!

Lastly on the subject, should we as fans be that bothered about the financial return we may get from a player? We are Manchester United fans and as long as they produce on the pitch that should be what we are bothered about. (within reason obviously, I am not condoning spending for the sake of spending)


karllap

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If Sneijder is to be labeled as world class then the argument that Ronaldo's skill is out of this world is strengthened greatly...

T0MB0Z

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Totally agree

Big Mac

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TOMBOZ

So are you saying that Ronaldo is worth that kind of money at 27 and Sneijder at 28 isn't?

I personally think we are looking to much into his age. The type of player that he is ie, sits in midfield and uses his brain to allow his feet to do the work through passing rather than running round like a mad man.
He is not a player that relies on athletism or pace. He could easily give 5 years and more.
If that proves to be the case and we pay £20 million thats £4 million a year for a world class player.

in comparrison hyperthetically, we sign Ronaldo for £60 million.
He is a player that relies on his speed and athletism so it is likely that his performance will drop as he gets older but even if not he will still cost us £12 million a year


In my opinion the only financial issue I think we should worry about is the wages he would demand.
If his demands are to much it could cause disharmony with the rest of the team.

And even after me saying all this, I would so like Ronaldo to come to us but I am just trying to demonstrate that age shouldn't be a reason to not sign Sneijder.
He would be class for us just sat in the middle providing balls for our front men.

karllap

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Sneijder at 27 - we agreed a fee of £35m
Sneijder at 28 becomes available at £15m less ? Surely that would be a great investment.

And lets be honest the £15m 'saved' could go towards his wages which I'm sure will be £200k+ pw.

Bottom line is we NEEDED to invest in a player of Sneijder's calibre and in his position and we failed to do so. Net result was:
- knocked out of UCL at a cost of £30m at least in revenue
- lost league at a cost of ....well you cant put a price on that one can you!

Appreciate that assumes Sneijder would have settled in straight away, retained his form, not been injured etc and clearly 'that' season didnt pan out for him in 1112 season at Inter.

Pound for pound though he was THE player we should have signed in August 2011 and I for one would not be happy to see him sign for say City only a year later and strengthen their squad even more.

I appreciate we have Kagawa now who I think will become a GREAT player for us. However competition for places over a long season (55-60 games) AND the fact that Sneijder has shown versatility to play anywhere in the midfield means he should be our number one priority.

Clearly the 1-2-3 Gill has referred to is likely to have been Modric - Kagawa - Powell once the Hazard saga was over but we look to have lost out on the Croat too given increasing noises about him being Real bound.

I hope we don't dawdle in the transfer market as we have done in the past and get a bid in for Sneijder now.


Halesini

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21 Jun 2012 12:42:30
It would be great if the Glazers gave Fergie £75 million this summer and said there you buy the players you want etc. It would be worth there while as next summer we wouldn't necessarily have to spend big and maybe add a few youngster to the squad.

Obviously, Berbatov leaving, with perhaps 1 -2 other players we could have an extra £30 million to add to the budget. this could in fact build a squad that will last some time.

This might seem an obvious post etc. But i feel like that including myself, alot of people on here fell that we need to buy a few more players as well as the GLazers showing us there intentions too.

I know Sydney posted a day or to ago about increased revenue to £400 million from 2013/2014 season onwards which is great. I'm not denying that in terms of the Glazers increasing revenue in the club has been great, but the debt will always remain a big issue among us fans.

With Chelsea looking to make big improvements to their squad we definately need to do the same. So far so good in terms of our squad acquisitions. Hopefully these won't be the last.

Mad Hatter

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More like Mad for car if you think that would happen. I AM KLOOT

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21 Jun 2012 12:30:09
thiago alcantara - chances of getting him of barca? would love him at utd!

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21 Jun 2012 11:52:30
We all know certain people like a good old 'stat off' so here is a few stats from the EPL last year to highlight how Nani would not nessecarily fit into our new possesion style play.


Tony Nani Young

Mins played 2120 2111 1572

Pass completion % 78.45 70.62 72.76

Mins per loss of 45 37 66
possession

Mins per 68 33 44
dispossed

Crossing accuracy 25 22 21
%

Clear cut chances 10 6 6
created

Mins per clear 212 352 262
cut chances
created

Now if that has worked out as it should have then it will show that Nani (going by those stats anyway) is not as great an option as most seem to be making out for our new possession and creation style. I know stats don't state it all but its pretty convincing reading for me to say a 30m bid and a suitable replacement for him would be enough to show him the door.

Jono

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That does make interesting reading but hardly suprising. But the point you may have missed is that is the stats they have achieved playing the awful style we played last season and not the style we are trying to achieve next season. If the stats were the same next summer after playing in the possession based free flowing style this coming season then your point would be more valid.

Shappy

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Lies,damned lies, and statistics

Mike

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Jono's stats back up what I think of Nani. Very talented but hugely wasteful. He sees a lot of the ball and the number of times he uses it well (and, indeed, quickly enough) isn't good enough. I think it's indisputable he's talented but that he costs us goal-scoring opportunities more often than he makes them.

However, there's 2 things that need to be considered. Would a replacement player see as much of the ball as Nani - i.e. does Nani get in positions to receive the ball more often than a replacement would or do team-mates just pass to him more often than to others? Also, could he still be taught to use the ball more sensibly more often, rather than always trying something?

My opinion on the first is that he gets into good positions on the edge of the box a lot - more often than equivalent players would - but this might actually be detrimental to us as other players have to cover for this and so are less effective. In terms of the second, he's improved slightly but not as much as he should have done.

I think both the above factors would actually make him less effective in a team playing short fast-flowing football - he just doesn't move the ball on quickly enough and could slow our moves down rather than speed them up.

But I'd still be sad to see him go. He is a genuine game changer - if we could find a way to release him from positional constraints (as we did for Ronaldo) I think he would be a great player. The only other player we've currently got capable of doing something exceptional around the box is Rooney, although Welbeck will do soon, and Powell should fit into that category too.

If he does go, we need to get the right price for him - he's not a player drifting toward the end of his career - and we'd have to replace him with a different type of player, or we'd be downgrading the team.

DarkLard08

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Agreed Shappy that we cannot compare stats to where we are trying to head in terms of style but I hand picked those ones out as they are likely to be usefull ones for comparisson when determining who is the best fit.

Although we have not played the team style we are looking to move to next season the individuals stats for keeping possession, getting dispossesed, pass completion and chance creation will all be under scrutiny for this new system so if all we can go on is last years stats there is no wonder that of the three if one was to go it would be Nani.

As I said though I would only be happy with his sale if we were guaranteed a replacement most preferably one of the two noted most regularly.

Oh and Cabaye ;-)

Jono

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But in a pass and move style there will be more and better options to pass to so everyones pass completion should improve.

Shappy

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ZZZ. Sorry are we still talking stats i had fallen to sleep. I just don't remember Best Law Charlton Robson Keane Cantona etc being about stats its about how you play when you wear the red shirt do you have the swagger to pull it off. You knew with players like Ronaldo and Eric from the first time you saw them in the shirt. You didn't need stats. They are for people like Graham Taylor we are United we do what we like and we play with style. I AM KLOOT

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I agree Kloot. Best short and simple post I've seen recently.

Supasub.

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Maybe include goals?

Percy

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21 Jun 2012 11:15:45
why all we think about modric,sneijder,sahin.
javi martinez what do you think? he is a right player for united .
played as a mid,defender,rb,lb then what else we need.please sir alex forgot all players throw 25 to 30 mil for for him i think he will deffi come to united.right now we need a def midfilder like him. {Ed004's Note - He has been a fan favourite on this site for the last year mate}

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Lol did you just spot him?

Everybody here has wanted him for a long time, but the price is probably going to put us off!

GDS

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21 Jun 2012 11:07:24
Daniele De Rossi says he has been offered chances to play in the EPL, anyone think he'd be a good fit at OT and anyone think we are still interested in him?

Welsh Red {Ed004's Note - He has impressed me playing for Italy and it's obvious we need a 'destroyer' type player in midfield}

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He has singed new contract so i think he would cost 25-30 million when we could possibly get martinez for that.

I have been impressed with him at the euros and maybe signing someone of his age may be a good thing. He can certainly tackle.

Mad Hatter {Ed004's Note - Would only take him for less than 20 million and then anything more would get Martinez for anymore}

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He is 28, and so is sneijder, and a lot of people on here think we shouldnt sign sneijder because he is too old, therefore following this logic so is de rossi

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21 Jun 2012 10:20:59
I don't get where people get the idea that Nani doesn't do his defensive work from. Sure he's not as strong as Valencia or as good in the tackle but every time I watched him play last season I saw him working defensively especially when playing on the left. The number of times.i saw him sprinting past Evra to put a tackle in or a block then people have the cheek to say he doesn't work for the team. You may find that with a decent LB playing behind him Nani's performances on the left improve massively.

Shappy

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21 Jun 2012 09:16:46
Ed, which signings do you expect we will make? {Ed002's Note - Don't drag me in to this.}

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It doesnt matter who you sign because you will finish 5th this season,theres a new top manager in town and hes going to take this prem by storm,come on brendan show these mancs who the top north west team are. Lee

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LOL....

de gea > reina

evra/ enriquez
rio > agger
vidic > skrytl
rafa > johnson

valencia > henderson
scholes > adam
gerrard > carrick
nani > downing

kagawa > suarez
rooney > carrol {Ed004's Note - Agger and Suarez I think would be currently better that the players you are comparing them with. I think Kagawa will be better but Suarez is proven in the league}

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Liverpool will finish 7th next season, 30+ points behind us.

Sydney!

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Literally laughed out loud then Lee nice one, made my day.

Welsh Red

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Ha... I recall the same thing bring said about "king Kenny" your teams a joke and will always be the second best team in Liverpool

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I'm sure there is a lower league club that could compete for 2nd best team in liverpool, all they do is talk about history...zzzzzz

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Or maybe Brendan will have a AVB type season Lee?

Supasub

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Liverpool 2nd this season behind man city,then the season after the league is ours,fergie will be gone soon then thats the end of you,your team will go back to what you were in the 80s a nothing team. Lee {Ed004's Note - Do you honestly believe that or are you trying to wind people up. I can't quite tell....}

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Ed004 trust me put your money on liverpool finishing 2nd,with brendans style of play we will be kings again soon but not this season we will settle for 2nd but after that we will rule the world again. Plus united will be finished as a team. Lee {Ed004's Note - How have you worked out that Utd will be 'finished'... just curious as every year we hear this yet every year we are up there going for or usually winning the league?}

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Here is a fact - brendan rodgers merely continued on from martinez, martinez created the style of football swansea play today, BR is a good manager for a mid table club hence why he has moved to liverpool, now before liverpool fans start spouting history just sit back and think....where did it all go wrong? BTW I'm not a united fan

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When did gerrard > carrick swap teams ??

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Ah Lee, welcome to the site, I see we are going to have lots of fun throughout the season with you Sir.

Actually, when it gets to September and we are top 3 and you are bottom half we will never heard from you again or you will change your name. It has happened every season since I can remember, it is hilarious. If any team is to take over from United it will be City or Chelsea, how do you expect Liverpool to compete at all with the team you have just because you have a manager who likes to pass the ball around?

GDS

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Also if you are 2nd to Man City you will not be the top team in the North West lol!

GDS

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Good luck in the CL next year Lee. Oh........

Supasub

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I actually thought Kenny did a decent job for Liverpool with the playing staff he had at his disposal last season. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink, they say, and you can put 11 donkeys on a field, it doesn't mean they'll ever win the league.

DarkLard08

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No name. Perhaps the complexity of the '

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Be interesting to see if you are man enough to come back next may and hold your hands up if your prediction doesnt materialise.
We all know your balls would grow if,by some miracle,what you have said happens.i have this strange feeling though that you wont and you will be shown up as a spineless little bitch.

RK16

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Lol I love it when the scousers boast like this, You know they're just building themselves up for a big disappointment.

CnM

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The Liverpool supporters who come on here and spout rubbish like United are finished and they will take the top four by storm are completely deluded. In the last 3 seasons the have shown absolutely no progress to give any indication that the deserve to be in the top 4.

In the last 3 seasons, Man city went from 5th to 3rd to go on and win the Premier League, (luckily by goal difference I may add) clear progress.

Liverpool however have gone from 7th to 6th and now last season to 8th. Liverpool may have a new manager but that doesn't make up for the fact that the squad is still not that good even having pumped £100 million into it.

Barca Devil

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7th in 2010, 7th in 2011, 8th in 2012, I think you are in decline Lee lad. When Suarez, Skyrtel & Reina are sold this summer you will be lucky to get into the top half of the league.

A tenner bet on Liverpool finishing 2nd must have a return of around a grand surely?

Sydney!

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Mustn't forget that this year you will have the Europa League to juggle too, something that will be tiring your players out. I think Liverpool will finish anywhere between 7th-10th. If Kenny couldn't get the slackers motivated then how will Brendon Rodgers get them motivated. With Kuyt gone, Reina, Suarez & Skyrtel on their way out and Brendon Rodgers having little pulling power in the transfer market I fear for you, I really do ;)

Sydney!

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A long stay at Shutter Island awaits you dear scouser!

REDFAITH

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I ment as soon as fergie is gone so are you as a club challenging for titles,deep down you all know this is true,soon man u will be like everton {nowere ha ha ha}. Lee

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Didn't Everton finish higher than you?

Sydney!

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But yet still better than Liverpool like everton?

SeemsLegit

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Nowhere just like Liverpool have been since 1989 in the league apart from when you was second to.... Manchester United!

Welsh Red

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I'm afraid we are here to stay Lee because the brand has expanded well beyond the North West regardless of who the next manager is. You must of just finished your exam's now, enjoy the summer off and don't forget to sign on in September.

Supasub

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The Scousers are bonkers. Skrtel's valuation has gone from £10m to £30m in the space of a day.

Sydney!

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It will take brendan 2 years to win the league,how long did it take fergie LOL enough said.As for everton they only finished above us because we had a bad season but under brendo we will soon be top dogs,when fergie goes who would want to take your slippery slop club over. Lee

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Every year we hear this.........still waiting for it to happen.

Ste-Utd

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Best team in the north west yet will be second to city? O.o
CRed

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Ah yes Lee, and "Brendo" does it everywhere he goes within 2 years?
Slippery Slop? Do you buy those in a shloe shlop?


Supasub

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Why don't u marry brendo ha ha Wats he ur mate who calls him brendo .. liverpool are finished lee
High times

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21 Jun 2012 08:54:42
Kagawa to fly into Manchester for United medical

The Japan international playmaker will hope to move a step closer towards officially joining the Red Devils when he jets into England on Friday.
Andy

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21 Jun 2012 08:41:32
Why are we attempting to buy gago. He is awful know where near united standard. Strootman is awful cannot get in the dutch team over van bommel. We are Manchester United not sheffield united. We should be bidding for the modric's. So far we have signed an 18 year 9ld who scored 1 good goal at wembley and played in league 1. And a very talented CAM.
English Pitbull.

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All he did all season was score 1 good goal at Wembley? United were linked with him well before that goal, clearly not seen him play much.

How many times have you seen Strootman play? van Bommel is the boss's son in law so not exactly the best explanation for why somebody is 'awful'.

Didn't know we were trying to sign Gago?

We are bidding for 'the Modric's' whoever they may be.

GDS

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I pity your football knowledge.

phil

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That's senseless ramblings, Ronaldo was playing for sporting lisbon and he wasnt in the Portugal 1st 11 and he turned out ok.

i doubt your clairvoyance, Powell has potential, Strootman does too.

I understand thats your opinion....

Cban

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Rio is now in England squad, is he awful?
Van Bommell is in there because he's a nasty piece of work who can change a game with some of the things he gets up to. The fact Strootman is in the Dutch squad surely makes him credible.

Supasub

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Agree with your main point. Perhaps a little harsh on Powell though!

T0MB0Z

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21 Jun 2012 08:12:29
all this modric talk in pure bonk!! hes off to madrid..so stop playing FM12 and talk sense.

lownedowski(spelling) - no chance
strootman - no chance

established Prem players like fellaini is the type fergie is wanting.

red squaddie

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21 Jun 2012 07:15:21
Its a dark day for United when most fans want Nani sold but keep a player like Young! if Nani is a 1 in player what does that make the lightweight pridictable Young?
CardiffRED

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21 Jun 2012 03:43:29
If Nani leaves, the only player that can replace him imo is Muniain. The biggest loss about Nani would be that we will have no good cover for Valencia on the right wing. Muniain can play on the left, right wing or as an attacking midfielder or striker in the hole just as well. Rodriguez is nowhere near as good on the right from what little i have seen, and on the left he is left footed and has a lot of potential, but in the immediate future i don't see him hitting the ground running and being even as consistent as Nani, forget more.

Also i do not get why people have a go at Nani for free kicks and corners. My question is, when we know he isn't as good with them, why do we make him take them?

If Nani is to leave, Muniain should be the main target.

Also for the kind of football we are looking to play, Modric is the key signing for next season. I would be gutted if he moves to Real Madrid. There is almost nobody available who can do what he does just as well. Pay Spurs a little extra and get it over and done with Mr. Gill. Its high time you delivered a top signing.

REDFAITH

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I agree Modric would be the best signing this summer if we stump up the cash.

Munian has man utd written all over him. I would love to see him calling Old Trafford his home. Maybe not this year, we will see.

But if Nani leaves, the price quoted for James Rodriguez, 30-40m (buy out clause)
I would personally spend that on Munian infavour of James.

Good post REDFAITH

Cban

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I would take either to be honest. They are both younger with bags of quality already. Yes Nani is ahead of them just now but Nani is of an age where the improvement in thse style he plays is probably limited now especially as he has not improved his set pieces despite being on them for 2+ years now. Where as both others have that development ahead of them and would be great for them to do that with us.

For CM I think we all know I would have Cabaye ahead of Mods but both would be good for us.

Jono

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@Jono.

I seriously don't blame Nani for corners and free kicks. He is not a specialist at that and yet we keep making him take them. Make Rio take corners and free kicks for a hundred years and he still wouldn't be able to do it well!

REDFAITH

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21 Jun 2012 01:28:00
You are after all talking about one of the greatest midfielders ever. Don't take my word for it, just ask Zinedine Zidane

Blair Mayne YNWA
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"You rarely come across the complete footballer, but Scholes is as close to it as you can get. He is my favourite player. One of my regrets is that the opportunity to play alongside him never presented itself during my career."
- Zinedine Zidane

G.A.G.U.S

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21 Jun 2012 00:23:15
sahin gago henriquez and rodriquez kagawa powell
great summer bid 22m for sahin and gago
and only buy rodriquez if nani is sold im 50/50 on that great player yes 25m bid comes yes ud take it
cjwales82

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20 Jun 2012 23:11:54
Hey Ed,

Read from a lot of sources that we are interested in signing Fernando Gago from Real and also going for Thiago Alacantara from Barca? Both are out of favour but are very good players and still young. Your thoughts please! {Ed007's Note - Should I phone for a pizza or ask Ed002 to cook....hmm decisions, decisions!!!}

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Live a little Ed 007...phone out for crispy duck! ;)

Red Spark

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20 Jun 2012 23:45:07
We would all like nani to play awesome every game but he doesnt so we have to take him as he is. We could have alot worse players than him like obertan are bellion so i say keep him and buy centre midfielders. Like cabaye sahin and maybe a left back and thats us sorted mufc all the way belfast red

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We already have worse players at the club esp the lightweight Young!
CardiffRED

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20 Jun 2012 22:32:21
the clown that is Sepp Blatter falling off a stage! Genius!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvMPXwqTMto

DB-Red

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20 Jun 2012 21:44:01
Does anyone think that we might have already signed all our players .
Look at the team

De Gea
Rafael
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Nani
Kagawa
Carrick
young
Rooney
Welbeck

Subs
Lindegaard
Jones
Smalling
Scholes
Valencia
Cleverly
Herhandez

Expect macheda to be brought back for one make or break season as backup. Jones, smalling, evans and cleverly to blended in and established as definite starters. I nani will have his last season and so will evra
Jay-c

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You need a 25man squad..

JK92

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20 Jun 2012 23:25:34
Nani's biggest problem is not Ronaldo. It never was. Nani's problem is in his head. He doesn't have the football brain that Ronaldo had. He doesn't know when the perfect time to release the ball comes. How many times has he had the chance to get a cross in with his right foot, before cutting inside and blazing over?

Yes, on his day, he's top class. But how many times out of 5 does he have that day?

G.A.G.U.S

But the thing is, in most matches Nani does make the right decisions, around 70% actually, providing a goal or an assist. His inconsistency is mainly a myth, he doesn't shine in every match like Messi or Ronaldo. But who does? Rooney has had his most consistent season, the season before he scored and assisted less than Nani, this season Nani was great up until his continual injuries. We don't see people calling for Rooney's head.

My final point is. Ronaldo scores an absolutely insane number of goals per season, but that's because it's all about him, all balls go to him, and he shoots the majority of the time, regardless of whether there's a better option. If Nani made it all about him, he'd be on 30-35 goals a season, instead he plays for the team, and for that, ye call for him to be sold.

Percy

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Thats the whole point Percy he does go alone himself too much and makes the wrong decision all the time and he cant seem to take a corner or free kick for us but can for portugal - you say Ronaldo gos alone therefore grabbing 60 goals and nani works for the team no he doesnt !

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Luis 'Percy' Nani.

G.A.G.U.S

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Kind of agree with the sentiment but not totally. I don't think Nani would score quite as many as that as he doesn't get himself into the kind of positions enought to score that many goals a season. But i agree that Nani will get more assists than Ronaldo will as he does look for his team mates much more than Ronaldo does.

I do think that Nani is much more conssistant than people give him credit for, his goals/assist record stands up to the very best wingers in the prem and the world so he is at least as consistant as they are. The thing i think people find annoying about him is the number of chances he wastes, if he could improve that area of his game just think how many more goals/assists he could get.

People need someone to bemoan at their club, atm it just seems to be Nani's turn as Evans and Carrick made them eat their words last season.

On another note over the past two seasons both Nani and Valencia have missed big chunks through injury, and when ever one has been out the other has stepped up to the plate. So why do we want to get rid of one of them? what if the other gets injured? I think it's important to keep our best players ans Nani is one of them, plus he want's to play for us.

Shappy

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You can stick a fork in Nani, he's done at United. His fate was sealed after the City game where he was utter rubbish. Don't believe me, wait for SAF to sell him.

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Nonsense, nani is nowhere as good as ronaldo. If all balls went to nani he would still not score anywhere as many goals as ronaldo. Infact if man utd played through nani it would be suicide because he is hit and miss. You must not watch football much

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Nani plays for the team!

I watched Nani at close hand and discussed him with those who sit around me and the conclusion was the same, poor season of bad decision making. Percy I know you love Nani but just take a look back and see the frustration of Rooney when Nani instead of giving him a pass chips it over the bar, shoots over or wide, hits the first man. Rooney is frustrated with Nani and then take a look at SAFs face when he does it.

You can keep trying to convince everyone how good Nani is but the club did try and sell him last summer and I believe will try again this summer.

Look back at the Benfica home game where Nani tried to show off to do it all himself beat player after player he did not play as a team player that night.

Nani cannot lace ronaldos boots and no amount of posts by you or anyone else will change that.

Red Man

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If only nani was as good as the mighty Ashley Young hey?
CardiffRED

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You simply cannot compare Ronnie and Nani. It is totally pointless. The fact we are looking at playing a forward 3 again like we had in 08 but Nani will be out wide where as Ronnie had the ability to oust Rooney to a supporting role speaks volumes for the difference in class.

Would SAF play Nani up top and drop Rooney to the wide positions? No! And why? Because Ronnie had the instinct of a striker with all round ability as well as the pace and skill of a winger. That means he would score goals if up top or on the wing as his selfish nature as a goal scorer kicks in. Nani on the other hand is a winger, nothing more. He does not have that killer instinct so from that assessment of course Ronnie would get more goals and Nani more assists. Nani would never play successfully through the middle Whereas Ronnie was arguably at his best there for us.

Before we even get to free kicks or corners on ability alone Nani lacks in all areas even as a winger compared to Ronnie. As selfish as he could be (and arrogant as well) Ronnie had the ability to do the right thing 8-9 times out of ten for the team or himself resulting in a wealth of goals. Yes there were times when he was as frustrating as Nani but like a very important game away v Birmingham showed right at the death he went on another selfish mazy run but got our winner in the 86h minute or whatever. Ronnie was able to produce that far, far more consistantly than Nani will ever be able to. Nani is obviously not the colossis Ronnie was and his team mates see this so when he does the wrong thing time and again in the same match the frustration boils over and it effects the team. Ronnie got away with this as if he was on a bad game he could still score a free kick or get the crowd going by skinning a player and at least getting it on target or even pop up with a brace out of nothing. Nani has the ability to come up with these as well but to nowhere near the same consistancy. more like 2-3 out of ten (or 0.5 out of ten for free kicks).

So the arument of Ronnie was as frustrating as Nani does not hold up as when Ronnie was on a bad game he could still win us matches single handedly when Nani is on a bad game he effects the team to the extent he is usually off by the 65 minute mark therefore leaving the fans and players alike so frustrated with his performances even more.

IMO we should sell now and get Rodriguez or Muniain in and allow us to groom them into far more consistant performers.

Jono

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Percy
why do you think nani was made available for transfer last summer
jred

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Ronni did the right thing 8-9 times out of 10? You're joking right? The amount of times I was sat in front of my tv with my brain boiling was ridiculous. Now I'm not saying Nani's as good, just that the cow in the field saying applies here. Ye're all jumping on the band wagon created by the media. No matter what Nani does on the pitch or what anyone else tells you, your opinions won't be changed.

Percy

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