Manchester United Banter Archive June 21 2013

21 Jun 2013 23:17:25
I believe all that is holding up Thiago's move is Barca want a buy back clause Utd want 1st refusal seems Barca are in a jam not sure they actually want him to leave

22 Jun 2013 07:56:34
They don't want him to leave, they rate him as the best player to come out of their academy since Messi. They know he will replace Xavi who's what 31/32 now? Within 2/3 years he would have been one of the first names on their team sheet. If he leaves this summer Barca will do everything they can to buy him back in a few years time. They don't want another Fabregas situation where they have to pay a large fee for a player they developed. It's the same as if we were going to give Juve 30m+ for Pogba now.

So if we buy him Barca will be back in for him when Xavi retires, maybe before he does. So Barca are just trying their best to make sure he doesn't cost them too much to buy back in the future.

As for would Thiago want to go back? I'd imagin he would, he's only leaving now to get first team football ahead of next years world cup. I expect by 2018 he will be a Barca player again, if not sooner.

Shappy do u think there is any point in buyin a player that's going to back to his original team after we've put our hard work in him as a club. I would want him but would be against him leavin in few years we'll prob be in the same position again needing a midfielder. Unless Powell or somebody else steps up.

Singh

22 Jun 2013 12:37:31
I'd still sign him. Yes he might want to go back to Barca in a few years time. But he is ready to play at the highest level now, there isn't going to be a lot of work our coaching staff will put into him to improve him.

So we'll get a top level player for at least a few years then make a large profit on him IF he wants to move back to Barca. I mean he might come to us and find his place and not want to move back. But if he does it will be 3/4 years down the line where we should hopefully be in a better place with regards to our midfield. Powell should have progresses and I expect we'll see other players from the academy or players brought in.

We have players for the future, we need a player for now. And Thiago is one of the best, so we get a top player and when we are no longer in such dire need of a midfielder we let him leave if he wants for a profit.

21 Jun 2013 22:39:56
I'm glad I'm not one of the Ed's on here, the questions have been raining down like I haven't seen on here before. The daft thing is that a lot of the questions are the same just worded differently. Do people not know about the search function?

People should put questions on here generally and not ask ed's, if the ed's have any info they will always give it, if not they will leave the question open and let everyone else gave their say instead.

We all need to calm it down a bit, this is a great site but we need to use it correctly.

Cheers to all the Ed's for their hard and often tedious work.

Brendan81

Hear hear

21 Jun 2013 21:47:14
Ed, how about we have a discussion about what could have gone on between Lance Armstrong's Spanish doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and his apparent ad hoc work assisting the medical staff of Barcelona, Real Madrid and the Spanish national team to name a few teams.
Just trying to coax you out of you silence.
I'm willing to take one for the team!

Supasub

Fuentes was not Armstrong's doctor. He was involved in a major doping ring but Armstrong wasn't one of them, not proven to be anyway. Armstrong used the services of Dr. Michele Ferrari.

REDFAITH

21 Jun 2013 19:49:47
I do wish people would spare the ed's some slack.

They will have jobs/life/children etc outside of these sites.

Spare a thought before " piping up "

Moog

P. S. your work is appreciated by most. the 80/20 rule seems to apply here.

Slay 80 irritating posters and serve just 20 years?

Must look like quite an attractive offer for Ed002 at times during the silly season :D {Ed007's Note - I am the only Ed002 attractive offer needs at any time.}

I like the way you used secret code there Bond to leave a message that only you and Ed002 could understand. Do you need a copy of catcher in the rye to decipher the order of the words?! ;)

21 Jun 2013 20:29:55
Well another day has come and gone still no one signed or any nearer signing. The suspense is really starting to get painful at this stage. Just wondering if it is making utd fans sweat a little more than usual has it had any effect on the stockmarket share prices? I know that the transfer date being the first of july but would it not be benefical to all concerned to push deals thru and confrm that an agreement is in place before then. With SAF retiring and Rooney wanting out, surely there has to be some jittery investors out there.

Really? On this planet, the stock market is probably unconcerned with endless rumours and speculation

What a ridiculous post the manager
does not start his job until the 1st July and he decides who we want where as the owners of Chelsea and City have bought players even while their new managers were still working elsewhere be patient as there is 8 weeks before the season starts
ARB

21 Jun 2013 21:10:14
Who gives a flying Kloot about the investors? Its called gambling on the stock market for a reason. Their money, their risk. They'll make a nice profit which won't benefit the club, and any loses well that's the gamble. From what's been said we're working on several deals which seem to be progressing. And based on what the ed's have said deals should be done in time for July. The time to worry is when its this date in August if we haven't done anything. MrE

21 Jun 2013 19:32:00
If rooney goes we will have major problemhernandez could not do the job up front alone as welbeck could not score in a brothel so for me rooney should stay
boarshawred

And we all know Rooney can score in a brothel ;)

1redarmy

If Rooney leaves it means there will no longer be a problem with a 1st team AM being used out of position on the left and Kagawa will get a descent crack at the 1st team.

If Kagawa gets injured RVP can drop into the hole with Hernandez or Welbeck taking his place up front.

If we can swap Rooney for a quality winger we'd have a top, top team for Europe.

Might even be able to keep possession.

Red Joe {Ed004's Note - Can't post teams}

21 Jun 2013 18:16:07
Off to watch Spike Island now. Looking back what a generation. Great music + Great football = great life!

21 Jun 2013 18:32:47
According to one journalist, the performances of Thiago in the U21's has made one or two other clubs more interested in him, but feels the MU deal maybe too far ahead now. Thiago's performances and Lewandowski's four goals against RM would have no doubt made it harder for us to sign them. People say it doesn't work that way, and they are probably right in most cases. But nowadays there are clubs with cash who will see a player playing well in a tournament and that would be enough for them to sanction a move.

I hope we can sign both these players, but I think it will be tough and it doesn't help when they are playing so well either. It seems we are in a very good position with Thiago, I hope it doesn't go the same way as it probably has done with Lewandowski. If we snooze, we will lose.

Sydney!

It's a shame because it looks like we are going to miss out on Lewandowski. Before the RM game he would have been destined to join us but now it looks like his desire to join European champion Bayern will overcome our chances of getting him. I also wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea make a big money move for him.

I think we have had chances to wrap up the Lewandowski deal on occasions, but I think we have been playing too much hardball with the fee. I think Lew always wanted a BM move, but until Goetze made the move perhaps thought it would never happen and he seemed to be more than happy to join us. Since he seen Goetze make the switch he seems to have hope of making the BM move and has almost forgotten about us. I still think there's a chance of Lew, but it does seem BM is his destination this summer.

Sydney!

Sydney i'm not sure if you saw the post but ed002 gave us an update on Thiago a couple of days back where he said Thiago was fortunate enough to meet up with some people after the game not sure ed wll tell us who because of some persons you made him delete the post


Red91

Red91, I didn't see the post my friend.

Did he say who met him after a match?

That is kind of important. Does anyone know?

Sydney!

Not sure Ed02 said that after the game Thiago was fortunate to meet some important people can't remember the rest of the post but I don't think he meant anyone from City or United, I think Ed may have meant Roman Abramhovic as it was reported he was in israel watching the final not sure if it means he spoke with him regarding a transfer or just generally met him


Manred

Roman Abramovich Syd but not sure if it was anything to do with a transfer


Salford red

Supposedly abramovich

MLG

It was Roman I think Sydney!

REDFAITH

21 Jun 2013 17:11:18
People I have to thank this week.

Obviously Dave the Save for his attempts to bring the best in Spanish football to Manchester United.

The Hibs supporters for singing the best song by supporters apart from United. Still gives me goosebumps.

MrE for getting the point of a banter page.

21 Jun 2013 20:14:26
No problems old chap. Does look a good film. MrE

21 Jun 2013 14:29:33
Apparently a few very high stake bets been placed in the last 24hrs for Rooney moving to Real Madrid.

Supasub

Where did you here this? If true I hope we get one of their players in return, Ozil in particular.

1redarmy

I wouldn't expect Rooney to go to RM. They want Suarez and Cavani.

Sydney!

"And"?, or is it "or"?
can they afford both syd?

If any at Real Madrid have any sence they will have figured by now Suarez and Cavani cannot play together as shown for Uruguay, They will get Suarez IMO with Cavani going to City/Chelsea.

RED91

DJ, RM will go for both Cavani & Suarez.

Sydney!

It's on a Manchester news site. A series of maximum bets placed with ladbrokes.

Supasub

Well Napoli's presiden has said Man City have told him they will no pay the 63 Million Euro's they want for Cavani rule them out of that

MANRED

What about Gareth Bale?
Apparantly that's there no. 1 target Syd.

Simmo

Well I tried posting a link to a screen shot earlier, Graham Hunter this morning said he believe's Rooney could be used in a swapped deal with Ronaldo. He said he only started believing this could happen earlier today, maybe he's heard something?

Either way it coincidentally falls on the same day as big bets being put on Rooney to move to RM.

Ozwald

Rooneys gone from 40/1 to 10/1

Considering Napoli are asking 50 mill for Cavani and LFC will want atleast 30, add that to 60 odd levy will want for bale, I don't see the money needed being generated here syd, even if they sell higuain, Di maria, kaka and all, unless. ronny is on the move?

I would have thought that if this were true the odds would have shifted a little. According to slybet he's still more likely to stay than leave and more likely to go to Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG than Real Madrid if he does leave.

As such; I wouldn't be reading too much into this one!

redseven

Bale isn't moving anywhere this summer.

Ozwald

21 Jun 2013 12:17:57
Well city have signed big so far and looks like there getting isco. Arsenal look set for higuian. Chelsea will spend big,, Liverpool are getting business done early. A wish we could make a statement in this transfer window instead of pointless rumours

Shut up mate.

at least wait until we CAN sign somebody before you start crying.

Then again, if you're not happy being a united supporter you do have various other clubs that you can run along and support.

Bit harsh no name
Chris the REDman

We look set to sign Thiago, how can you say we are not making a statement? Chelski have only signed Schurle so far of note, City have spent on players that don't scare me, Arsenal will fall apart as always and don't even get me started on Liverpool.

1redarmy

As I have said in the past few weeks don't hold your breath on any quality signings, potential will be order of the day as always as thy come cheaper and on lower saleries

Dear No name, whatever you've written is just pure paper talk as well except the city "signing" big part which is true, I heard both Fernandihno and Jesus Navas are pretty tall in height, so try being a bit more positive? please? Chin up and put a smile

If by 'signing big' you mean overpaying for average players that we were never even linked with then yes I guess City have done that.

boarshawred,

Will you be on here saying how well we have done when we make some good signings this summer mate? Your posts are always the same negative stuff with no bearing on reality. If we sign Thiago from Barcelona are you going to say we have signed 'potential'? Because I think if we get him we could have a potential 'worldy' on our hands.

Agree with you GDS but let's wait and see when you buy potential you get the likes of bebe i'm not convinced we are going to get any off the talent evryone sems to think we will get

Lol no I will be on here saying how shocked I am if we get the players we are supposed to be interested in I would take 1 quality player now for next season and who cares at the cost unless its in the region off 7 million because you know what you get for that amount bebe of course, so let's forget potential and buy proven quality

Who you thinking then? Who do you want that's available and would sign for us and improve us? Bear in mind we need more than 1 player.

How much did hernandez cost not too sure might be wrong but wasn't it around 10m
kyhughes87

21 Jun 2013 11:25:14
Is Raffael banned for the opening game at Swansea or does the Charity Shield count as a competitive game?

Raffa

Why would he be banned?

Sent off against Chelsea--- phil

21 Jun 2013 11:16:45
Weird question but can anyone tell me if Graham Hunter is a reliable source? Does he ever get anything right in terms of being itk?

1redarmy

When it comes to Spanish football he knows what he is talking about. Usually he is pretty spot on but, if you notice, he doesn't say things WILL happen, he tells us what he sees as likely at any given time. If he says that United and Thiago are more or less in agreement then I am inclined to believe him.

TK-Red

He is certainly far superior to Balague who I think knows about as much as most Spanish waiters.

Cheers TK, I can believe stories like that as it is wide spread but then he goes and says things like Rooney and Ronaldo may swap clubs and he loses cred again.

1redarmy

Ballaguie is both a liverpool fan and close pal with Rafa not to keen on us.
I wonder why!
Dylan

Fresh! let's not forget that is because Ballague's main source is THE fat Spanish waiter that worked up the road a few years ago.

As for Graham Hunter, I don't think the Rooney/Ronaldo comment loses him credibility at all. He never said it would happen but the fact he mentioned it may just mean that he has been told that it is an option either club may have looked at. Like I said, he rarely guarantees anything as he knows that the wind can change very quickly when it comes to these kinds of things.

TK-Red

Graham Hunter has said that a couple of year's ago he got MU in touch with Thiago's dad. So I imagine he would have some sort of contact with his dad or someone close to Thiago's dad.

Sydney!

To be fair, I doubt Real Madrid want Rooney, but if Ronaldo wants to come to United and Rooney wants to leave United and go somewhere big, both of them moves would suit the players.

So it isn't really that silly is it?

Syd, hunter used to live next door to thiago in spain a few years ago an they still talk quite often, so anything he says about thiago I would say is the truth + he is in the know with spanish football

Corby12

21 Jun 2013 10:07:42
any news on Mendy from Monaco? described as the next Makalele and obv free. Surely Moyes would be daft to pass that one up.

Makalele, if RM had not sold him, would have helped them to domination for a few years. He was the bedrock for Chelsea trophies. I doubt Mendy could be as good, if he was I'd go there myself and give him a piggyback to Manchester.

J Bones.

Don't listen to anyone who says 'the next enter name here' generally they don't turn out to be any where near as good as the original.

Red Joe

When I was younger I was the next Mark Hughes. I am now more like the next Merv Hughes.

21 Jun 2013 10:04:22
Pretty sure he's signing for citeh or Madrid, but the thought of adding isco to the side is awfully tempting. Especially at that price and at only 21. A 4-2-3-1 with carrick and thiago, kagawa Rooney and isco behind rvp. Says he's going to have an answer by Sunday. Either citeh or Madrid have packed midfields, why not take a shot and see if he'd like to play with ddg and thiago. -kg

That would be a dream, he's going to be some player! With de Gea already here and quite likely thaigo I think he'd be open to a move

This is the exact team I would love to see, I think they could dominate, people go on about getting over run in midfield but when you look at teams like barca it really is only busquets that's there enforcer as such. Carrick and thiago in central mid with kagawa, Rooney and isco behind rvp would be an amazing lineup, just the defense to sort but it sort of picks itself although I would like a better defensive left back if this was the case.
Malky

21 Jun 2013 08:26:49
Bild is reporting that Isco will sign for United, with Jan Aaga Fjortoft reporting the same, you can't beat a decent drop of dreaming

Don't think there is any truth in that to be honest.

REDFAITH

Not a chance, unfortunately he's Citeh bound, I just hope Madrid can pull it off rather than the blue

Alex Fergusons Condom

Imagine a double swoop for thiago and isco, wet dreams all round!

phil

It would be amazing if we got both Isco and Thiago but unfortunately it won't happen. It does make me wonder why we don't seem to have been in for Isco though. Surely with DeGea here and hopefully Thiago following shortly we would be an option for him? Maybe he likes Pellegrini too much I suppose to come to his now biggest rival.

Shame as with Spain U21's three best players we would be in a fantastic position for many years to come. I'll still be very very happy if we just get Thiago though.

Brendan81

I would be happy to get in 1 player off quality

21 Jun 2013 02:59:46
Just been watching a few thiago videos and one thing that impressed me is his final ball, finishing and aerial ability! Like scholes he is excellent in the air for someone so small!

Scholes was excellent in the air. are you serious?

Yes he is serious, for someone so small scholes was excellent in the air, I presume you didn't watch him much.

phil

Wow. let's count how many headers Paul Scholes scored in his career. How many headers Paul Scholes won in the center of midfield from goal kicks, how man headers Paul Scholes cleared from his own penalty area off corners.
Stop being stupid will you.
Patrice Evra is what you call good in the air for his size.

Scholes is good in the air, and although he never scored loads with his head, he did score some and he had good technique, and he scored most of his goals from the edge of the box by making late runs into the box, often from a cut back or knock down, which is not an ideal position from which to score a header. Remember the last minute header against Man City in April 2011?

21 Jun 2013 00:49:08
In the words of Graham Hunter:
'Thiago wants to sign, club to player all good. Club to club may need work'

What could be holding it up between club to club? I hope Barca don't want a buyback clause.

Structure and form of payments and many other complexities are involved in a deal I suppose. Its not as simple as pay some amount stipulated in a "clause" and he is free to go.

REDFAITH

My guess is that's probably what they are trying to do, if that's what they want then put it in at 60m.

phil

21 Jun 2013 00:18:16
Where are we expect to see Hernandez and kagawa in the line-up?

Would their International duty make them have longer holiday?

JLBER84