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21 May 2013 23:06:13
Anyone know how Darren Fletcher is coming along? Hope he can get back to complete health, he may not be able to play again and I hope we haven't seen the last of him but, he was the ultimate big game player, so underrated, so committed never the most talented player but he made up with his heart and determination. Top quality pro and a great example to any of the younger players!
21 May 2013 22:39:00
Long time since I started a post, I needed to take some time to form a rounded opinion of Moyes taking over.
Ever since I heard Moyes could be taking over I've been watching as much of Everton as I can. Honestly, I'm not too sure why people are super concerned. For example, against City, they played with a certainty and assured passing game worthy of ourselves. The football they play is not unlike our own, and with better players the football can only improve.
However, there is a tendency to go long-ball if things start to go pear-shaped.
If we consider the considerable increase in playing talent at his disposal, what's to say Moyes can't continue the success? On top of that our players are less likely to start hoofing it around when the going gets tough.
That being said, I would like to see Moyes make a marquee signing to cement his conviction to the job, prove he can throw off the shackles of a manager 'on a budget'. Bale would obviously be ideal, Lewandowski could also go a long way to filling the hole I think Rooney SHOULD be leaving behind. Then he's just a CM away from easily one of the best squads in Europe; he MUST MUST MUST address the situation there.
Anyway, my two cents. Thanks a lot if you read it all. Would appreciate anyone else's opinions. Great job as always Eds and the usual lads (you know who you are).
I personally think moyes has to deliver in his 1st season meaning title challenge, the reason being we have just topped a league winning by a margin of 10pts. of course fergie is a major factor but moyes will have practically the same squad. he has to get his summer signings spot on as man city, chelsea, arsenal and even spurs will strengthen. IMO we need a vidal, gundogan or lars bender not seen much of strootman who a lot of fans are calling for though I've heard and read he's like gareth barry, if that's the case no thanks. we are manchester united and we don't want 2nd rate players or before long will end up like loserpool. oh and lewandowski would be a very welcome bonus whether we keep wazza or not.
21 May 2013 22:37:29
Desperately sad Panorama documentary about the Hillsborough disaster. Liverpool have always been our rivals but what happened in 1989 transcends rivalry and sport. The cover up goes on and our thoughts are with the families of the dead. It should never have happened and the cover up by South Yorkshire police was a disgrace.
The thing is paul, it nearly happened to spurs in 81 had there been barriers! Fortunately there wasn't and their fans managed to spill onto the pitch avoididing a disaster! Although a few of their fans needed aid!
I suspect, for some of us, there but for the grace of God go I.
21 May 2013 22:22:43
Ed realisticly who do u think will join us this summer? {Ed004's Note - Baines, Di Maria, Strootman and Lewandowski}
I'd be ok with that ed. Would strengthen our first 11 which is what we need.
Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - My only concern there is the midfield strong enough and is only one midfielder enough. Personally I'd rather we went for another winger instead of Lewandowski so that Kagawa could play behind RVP}
Yeah it's not the best case scenario ed but just getting A central midfielder is a step in the right direction. I think Rooneys going so Lewandowski is a must. We'd have DiMaria, Young and Welbeck for the left. Valencia, Zaha, Welbeck for the right. I would add Gundogan to your list and be very very happy. Then get Ronaldo in next summer.
Brendan81
21 May 2013 22:17:57
Eds, who do you believe out of Ronaldo, bale, falcao and lewandowski is the most probable MU will sign?
Cheers. Dave {Ed004's Note - Lewandowski}
21 May 2013 22:12:23
I know he's Scottish and wouldn't take the job but i'd love England to bin off Roy "I know nothing about tatics and will play the long ball to Andy Carrol" Hogson and Fergie take over for the World Cup!
IHaveNoName!
21 May 2013 22:02:59
Pieces of advice guys, better you keep your mind away from seeing a big name signing in our red jersey this summer. Though it won't hurt to dream big, ain't you tired of getting your hope dashed season in season out.
I'll rather keep my fingers crossed and see who comes in.
fmy {Ed004's Note - Yeah my hopes were dashed last season when it was all over Sky sports that Van Persie had agreed to sign}
21 May 2013 22:46:03
Ed 1 scouser 0 haha
Brilliant response Ed. I was more gutted at Kagawa! Will be ingesting next season if Silva does leave city as much of the Eds expect! It would leave Mata, Corzola and Kagawa as the men without City having one! Obviously they would replace but who's that much better? Maybe Isco but would he stay or return to Spain? De Gea may as we are a world class club (although i'm not naive enough to assume he will return to Spain one day)
Adz
21 May 2013 21:52:53
Really hope Moyes grabs the chance to show from the off that he's not afraid to make a strong stance on Rooney and ship him out. Hopefully Fergie has made Moyes aware of the likely response from the fans should he be kept on. I'm all for the posturing on keeping Rooney and giving him a chance to stay being leaked to the media just to get a top price for him to invest in new players.
I for one wouldn't be too disappointed without stellar signings in the summer and instead really start to blood some of the under 21's along with two or three good acquisitions. Strootman seems the right sort of signing along with a good central defender (Zouma?). Baines again would be very good. Bale would be too expensive, but there must be similar player to Bale out there at a younger age we can get for less than half his potential fee. such as we have just got in Zaha.
Ronaldo with his salary and fee would be too expensive and limit other signings but worse than that in my opinion would diminish the chances of seeing players such as Kagawa develop there presence as all our play will be directed and channelled towards Cristiano. Don't want Fellaini either!
Mind you if we do end up with Bale, Ronaldo, Falcao, Lewandowski, Strootman, Baines etc etc I probably wouldn't be too disappointed
Ianskip
21 May 2013 21:20:59
1. ) Oh no please don't G. A. G. U. S you would be such a loss to the world and then if you die your village would have to find another person
I AM KLOOT
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Would you be available Kloot?
Wats all this i'm intrigued
CAIN
He has already got a village G. A. G. U. S - and is covering a couple of others due to his obvious skill set.
You can spot his villages from miles away by the miserable black cloud that hangs over each of them. {Ed004's Note - It's called Liverpool....}
21 May 2013 20:41:20
I will be interested to see what happens with the Ronaldo situation and whether he signs a new contract at Madrid.
I posted the other day about how his salary rises each year and Madrid would have to pay him £29m in his last year. So it would be in his financial interest to sit tight. However Madrid want to have him sign a new contract, after all £29m is probably well in excess of what they want to pay and it likely restricts them a little in purchasing another Galactico. Add to that I understand they would like Falcao but it is difficult because for one there is an alleged Real Madrid clause meaning Real have to pay 10m more than anyone else and deals are difficult between the two Madrid clubs. Let us also add in the mix a presidential election in mid June and usually they want to announce a Galactico (and this year a new manager) will come "if you elect me", which could of course be another player such as Neymar. Perez is almost a shoe in but politics dictate how elections should happen. Whoever the chosen Galactico is it will be expensive and Ronaldo's growing salary with £29m in his last year is a problem to any club, plus his value starts to fall with age and length of remaining deal. A certain Spanish correspondent said someone at Madrid said he could swear that Ronaldo wasn't leaving and maybe he won't but Ronaldo has them in a spot.
However no prospective President is going to want to announce Ronaldo is leaving and certainly not pre election no matter which Galactico is coming in. So for me unless Ronaldo signs a new deal there are some twists and turns yet and that turn may be Ronaldo's to decide.
Red Man
Ronaldo doesn't enter his final year until June 2014. I think RM will become more concerned next summer.
Sydney!
Sydney
You obviously didn't read my previous post, I know very well when Ronaldo's contract finishes and my point relates to now with 2 years to run and I think RM are notably concerned right now about his contract. Let him go another year and they would be in the same position we are with Nani. Think about it a little more
Red Man
Red Man, I have read your posts thoroughly. What I am saying is I doubt RM will be worried just yet. I do believe they turned down a sizable PSG offer in the past few months from so that alone should tell you that they are not too worried. If Ronaldo keeps rejecting new contract offers until May/June next year then they will start to worry I'm sure, but at this moment in time I cannot see them being forced into accepting a low offer from us due to the fact PSG are willing to offer a substantial amount for him this summer. If he is planning to wind down his contract and join us for a lower fee next summer (highly doubtful) then next summer will be interesting if he still hasn't signed an extension with RM, but RM will be under no pressure just yet.
Sydney!
Sydney
What did you feel about RVP being allowed to go into the last year of his contract which allowed us to buy him for the amount we did? Or should Arsenal have negotiated a new deal with 2 years to go as most pundits have criticised them for not doing? However you feel RM will not be worried about CR7 doing the same! They would be similar ages and another year on would devalue CR notably but do you really think RM would be comfortable with that?
Red Man
I do not know what offer was made to RM from PSG, reports suggested £75m. Now if that figure is correct and RM turned it down, that would indicate RM are not too worried about the Ronaldo situation. Players value drops when they enter their final year of contract, but then so does their asset value. RM would still have no problem getting £50m for Ronaldo next summer.
Sydney!
22 May 2013 13:30:47
@Red Man
And by that logic buying him this summer is going to be all the more difficult isn't it because the price will be dictated by Madrid.
Any slim hopes we have of signing Ronaldo will be next summer, not this one. Even if Real are concerned about his contract they will first try to renegotiate a deal this year and if they decide to sell Psg will be offering a lot more than we do.
REDFAITH
I would of thought any club would be worried about a player getting to the final 12 month of his contract
21 May 2013 20:15:18
Eds is there any interest in reus he looks class? {Ed004's Note - None}
21 May 2013 19:46:29
Where do you think Lewandowski will end up Ed?
AR {Ed004's Note - Here or Bayern}
Madrid
21 May 2013 20:06:58
Monaco in for Moutinho, Rodriguez and Falcao.
Bayern signed Gotze and in for Lewandowski.
City looking to have sealed Cavani deal.
6 players who would have strengthened us significantly.
Me thinketh it's time to launch OPERATION BALE :)
£50m fee offer £200k pw and Giggs coveted No. 11
And how do we finance said deal? Well we have a £30m asset on £250k pw who no longer loves us and a Portugese/Brazilian combo who inspite of their combined £35m cost haven't proved they are United class over last 5 years.
Leftback and some much needed world class central midfield talent and we would be challenging in Europe let alone securing further Prem success.
This is the most important transfer window for many years and I hope United Board signal their intent to back Moyes with the same net transfer kitty of £70-80m I expect to see City, Chelski and Arse all flex their muscles with.
The only one of those I would have signed is Gotze.
Absolute rubbish from a no name. What's new?!
Hhhmmm bale won't happen fella!
21 May 2013 20:01:28
Was just wondering out of the people who want Rooney to leave how many of you would be happy letting him stay until January to try prove himself under a new manager and maybe regain his old form and passion for the game.
I would think this is maybe the best situation as big clubs would be willing to splash more during that time due to panic and worry about league position and not being where they should be.
Dont give him a pay rise or another contract if he doesn't prove himself, he has a lot of time to sort hs head out under moyes and resolve what ever is causing the problem with his form.
Their is a lot of different opinions as to why he has lost his "Spark".
Fatigue, maybe even burnt out (similar to what happened owen due to consistently playing at such a high level from such a young age)
Loss of motivation under management.
Unhappiness at not being the main man at the club.
Unhappiness at being left out of important games.
All can be resolved (Except if he is actually burnt out and will never regain his "somewhat" lost pace), Under Moyes Rooney may be able to regain that spark and as moyes knows the skills rooney possesses he will be given plenty of chances.
I know a lot of Fans believe he has gone to far but you can't begrudge him for putting in a transfer request if he is no longer happy at the club. And would you rather face a (possibly) Rooney at 100% or have him in our team?
I just think he has more to offer the club. Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the Rooney Situation.
James
What top class sportsman, who is paid huge wages out of the pocket of ordinary fans, allows himself to turn up for pre season training a stone overweight and struggles all season to maintain any level of fitness. His first touch has been appalling and his pace has gone permanently. He's had his chance I'm afraid.
No I wouldn't, he sent in a transfer request, I have lost all respect for him
I think he will end up staying as I don't think the big clubs want him, the ones who would and could afford it, I don't think he would go to.
i would prefer he left, as I am sure he will cause tensions in the dressing room esp with the likes of rio and giggs in there
21 May 2013 19:16:11
We have to make a massive signing in early
july to set a bench mark to all the small noisy
clubs in the premier. My choice would be BALE
BFRO
21 May 2013 19:53:22
Bearing in mind Modric was offered to English clubs for 35 million and foreign ones for 45 how much do you think bale will go for?
He isn't as technically good as Modric but he is younger, more exiting and British so you'd be looking at 50 million easy if you were Madrid. Call it 60+ for an English club.
Not worth it.
21 May 2013 18:30:00
Bale sayin if he leaves he wants to stay in england? Is that r cue to go for him which leaves the question wb ronaldo that will put that till bed. Over these past few months were bein teased with the thought of him cumin home. Poh belfast.
Its so hard or even impossible to prove things on these sites with out being ridiculed or abused! Any way I'm going to say it, bale never said anything of the sort! Bale will not leave spurs, because he's not ready too, when he leaves he wants to go to spain preferably madrid! I know cause I know!
I believe the quote "I have offers on the table from real madrid and United but I would like to stay in England" attributed to Bale are fake.
21 May 2013 17:50:15
Hi - hope everyone has somehow gotten over the shocking news & is excited to see how our next manager does replacing the Real special one!
I see lots of speculation surrounding Ronnie and the usual candidates but I wondering would it be possible to give us an update on the Bale situation as it seems to change every hour~/ {Ed002's Note - I don't know of a Bale situation.}
Bale is a rather good player who plays for Spurs. The "situation " is whether he will stay there or sign for someone else. Not difficult is it?
No name,
Why do you expect the ed to answer your question? Read the site there are plenty of posts about bale and many others. If you ask a daft question like that then you should expect a daft response from the ed.
21 May 2013 17:35:55
I don't want to say I told you so again but already the papers are starting with stories of how Moyes wants Rooney to stay. Surely we can't be conned by Paul Stretford twice. He is just taking the P155
Whether he stays or not, it would be mad to give him a pay rise. Interestingly, the Arsenal site is full of rumours of a bid from them for him.
I'm guessing Moyes sees this as an opportunity for him to prove his man management skills and get the best form Rooney, a very risky gamble on his part of true.
Kloot
Offcourse they are going to say they want to keep him. I reckon we were always going to sell rooney this summer and it just the start of the fun and games that comes with the transfer market.
Expect the same stuff until a whirlwind 48 hours of news leaking and him gone sometime this summer.
I also think our first few signings will clarify their intent.
Shahram
I don't see him staying as an option. The United faithful won't put up with the same act twice and he will soon realise that, by the majority, he is not wanted IMO.
TK-Red
No point keeping Rooney if he doesn't want to play. No one is bigger than the club!
So now you believe what the papers are saying when it's bad for United?
One minuet you don't believe a word the paper says now you're taking them as gospel because it supports your theory. Hypocrite. Also of course we're going to say that we want him to stay if not the player would want to leave and the club would want him to leave, usually means clubs get them on the cheep
Id say give him his p45
". I don't want to say I told you so again. "
Then don't. Go on surprise us.
21 May 2013 16:46:39
Hey guys,
Can anyone explain this MLS deal city have struck and what it actually means?
Thanks in advance.
LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD
I'm from NY. They want another MLS club. I hate both Yankees/$hitty so I don't care.
21 May 2013 16:33:16
Eds/Guys does anyone see Moyes changing his style and formations at United?
Going by his past records he has had his fair share of bargains. I do expect him to make some bargain buys for us as well.
I do see him adding steel to the midfield. To be fair that is something which is long overdue.
Sydney!
Who steel? Is he any good syd?
Supasub
Watch it supasub, that's my job ;)
21 May 2013 14:39:50
Afternoon Gents,
Just wanted to make a post about people's concerns regarding Moyes's European experience.
I understand to a degree where people are coming from with this however it must be pointed out that Moyes was a Footballer, who turned Coach, who became a Manager. So he has good footballing knowledge and will and most probably has, studied and analysed football across the globe. He began taking his coaching badges at 22 which tells me he has a keen interest in understanding the game of football, formations, tactics, patterns of play etc.
So although he has not managed regularly in Europe this isn't to say he does not understand how Barcelona, Munich, Dortmund, Juventus play. He will study the teams we are drawn against and develop a system to counter them and play to our strengths.
SAF was never the best tactically, we were great when he had Quieroz, McLaren besides him and then as Rene became more involved this season, it is no coincidence that our football got better, but SAF was a great man manager, motivator and inspiration to the players and this has rubbed off on the players and will be carried on in the changing room through Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick, Evra which will rub off on the younger players.
But Moyes, I believe has a good footballing brain and, with respect to Everton, working with better players will show this through our performances and I actually believe he can be successful in Europe. My concern is whether he has the leadership and motivational skills SAF has/had but then I don't think he would of been a candidate if he didn't plus, what SAF has installed in the players, i'm sure they will ensure the never say die attitude remains throughout the club.
Anyway, as the days/weeks are going on, the more confident I am the Moyes is the best man to take us forward and dare I say, to the next level, but none of this would be possible with the foundations being layed by Sir Matt Busby and then being ressurected by Sir Alex Ferguson.
After watching the U21's last night as well, I really do think SAF has left us in a strong position.
Moyes when at Everton got beat 5-1 at Dynimo Bucharest and 3-0 at a poor Sporting Lisbon side and never got beyond the 4th round of the Europa league. Which in my opinion is poor when you consider that both Fulham and Middlesbro have both made the final in recent times with poorer teams, so for me Moyes is going really struggle in Europe next season as he's not up to it tactically.
He also has a very poor record against the top teams in England
I don't know why we would have any confidence in him. He was hired because he us a Yes man. He'll buy bargains, the Glazers will be delighted, and we'll be ripped off.
Anyone thinking we will get Ronaldo, kewindawski, Rodriguez, modric etc, is deluded.
We'll make some bargain buys and balance by selling Anderson and nani. That's it.
No name,
How do you know?
Sorry that was aimed at no name 3, but I would assume they are all the same person.
Well I see the no name brigade has come out with their pearls of wisdom. At least register and leave a name so that we can remind you later if you were right or wrong.
Shahram
21 May 2013 18:10:00
Nice to see Negative Nigel is still hanging around, what! Good post Ports old chap, have a cigar. Bertie Wooster
How do you know he's a yes man? What info have you got that says that? As far as I see it he deserves a fair crack at it. Personally I think he's far from a yes man. We've got a very good manager and he could be great, he's at the club we should support him
GD
What you all fail to realise is that, yes he got beat in Europe but that was with everton not united, he will have a much higher calibre of player than he used too, why worry just give the man a chance to prove himself at the club Instead of writing him off already!
Welsh Red
The truth is no one really knows he looks a good manager but this is a massive step up.
If moyes had gone to madrid Chelsea or city would people expect him to take them to the top of Europe?
For me he is a good manager who could have the potential to make the step up.
My issue is I think moyes needs to improve us, is moyes the right manager to take us to the next level. The truth is i'm not sure but we are about to find out
Good post Jred that is exactly how it is with Moyes, the club and the new manager need to show their intent
Oh and if fatty ando is still here next season he won't be no fatty or he will be invisible
21 May 2013 14:07:52
Just out of curiosity, if you had a choice, would you guys take Hazard over Kagawa? Bearing in mind Hazard is 22 and Kagawa is 24. P. S Would like to know opinion 004. {Ed004's Note - Depends on the team or formation both play completely different positions. At Chelsea Hazard because they have Mata in the same position as Kagawa but here at Utd we would need both}
Cheers for the reply ed004! Only asked, as much was expected of both, but for me (and I am a Chelsea fan) Hazard is the better player, having said that, I do see Kagawa playing a major role for you next season! As you point out, Mata plays the same position, so may be the question should have been Kagawa or Mata? and there the same age. (give or take a few months) {Ed004's Note - Then after this seasons display it has to be Mata though I have high hopes for Kagawa next season after he has a year to adapt to the premiership like Mata}
I would take Hazard over Young
But Mata was also very good in his first season ed004. (Chelsea player of the year) But I agree, Kagawa looks a fantastic player and I hope he does well for you guys! Hopefully the title race will be much closer next season, especially with the expected return of the Special One! Looking forward to our battles next season! P. S would love Rooney at Chelsea but don't think it will happen! {Ed004's Note - It will be a lot closer next season but remember Mata didn't have Rooney and RVP who could play in the hole ahead of him but still Mata is a fantastic player}
Hazzard for me any day guys and no disrespect to Kagawa. Hazzard is a superb talent and will be awesome in a couple of years.
Shahram
Seems like many prefer Hazard but I am sure in few years most of you would opt for Kagawa. He is a brilliant player but our style didn't suit him this season.
21 May 2013 12:46:03
Ok in response to malaga/champagne/metal, whatever name he goes by now, thought i'd start a new thread as your one much like ure club is very far down now.
Let me start by saying thanks for popping over to our page and giving us your opinions, even thou like most things u say, they will be proved wrong.
Ok, let's have a look at sunday, the biggest game of your season and all your so called 'big guns' bottled it again, yes u scraped 4th with a goal from bird boy, but more worrying for u must be once again your star forwards bottled it again! Now into your celebrations after, SHOCKING imo a real embarrassment to ure fine club, the one thing i'm confused about is why u were celebrating? Was it for 4th? Or beating spurs to 4th? A mentality much like Liverpool and everton and now look where they are.
Oh but we have 70m to spend now I hear u say, well yes maybe that is the case but remember A/ u have not even yet made the CL so any top players will wait or sign elsewhere for guaranteed CL football. B/ exactly how many 'top' players will that get exactly? C/ I see ure main target is jovetic, now I do wonder how many if your fans actually watch this lad, yes he's got talent, but really for the 30m your being qouted do u really want an unproven, injury prone, non prolific forward? U already have that in podolski.
I suggest u start worrying, Wengers press conference after the game signalled another season of bargin basement signings that 'might' turn out good more more often than not turn out to be, well Ramsey or Diaby.
So ok u go out spend massive on one player and he says yes I do want to play for u, u meet his agent who says he wants 160k a week, what do u think the non confrontational Wenger will do? If he goes against his beliefs and says yes, then u get walcott, cazorla etc knocking in his door wanting the same ( if they dnt already have a match the highest earner clause in there contract)
So all in all i'd worry about ure club much more than us because I believe next season it might be ending in st gooners day and tje spuds saying mind the gap!
Thanks again malaga feel free to drop by again anytime
Chris the REDman
21 May 2013 13:34:21
Wow Malaga,
You got a reply from the intellectual JUGGERnaught that is the REDman. Me thinks from all the replies they are somewhat concerned what will happen to the greatest club in the world next season.
Was it one of our strikers or one of our ex strikers who bottled it in the Champion League at Real Madrid. Oops probably shouldn't have mentioned that. How many games did he not score after that. But hey he got a medal. Do you think he's polishing it now whilst wondering what the hell Moyes will do next year.
You'd imagine anyone with half a footballing brain would know exactly why the Arsenal fans celebrated.
I can't imagine how much you guys would of been at half time back in 05 with Milan 3 nil up. But hey let's not concern ourselves with any of that what's good for the goose stuff. You guys are always right, you're the best club in the world, aren't you?
Guess you guys are off the hook. Still let's hope the legendary United attract the right players this summer to add to the proven quality of Nani, Anderson, Giggs, Rooney, Valencia, Evra, Welbeck and Cleverely.
Maybe Moyes will just wait and see how they get on before he dips into a disappearing market. Who knows hey.
Pop by anytime REDman, you're always welcome.
UFB
I'm not even going to bite. I'm just going to laugh and wait until this exact point next year when we're here again and all the fans of other clubs come out and say 'Moyes has had a lucky first season but he won't win it next year, because its our year. '
Welcome to all the Gooners, as AW says finishing 4th is like winning a cup. So I think a well done is in order ;)
Still have the preseason Emirates Cup to play in too, a little bit more of silverware for your empty trophy cabinets.
Sydney!
Ufb and u are? U know me but I dnt have a clue who u are, by all means keep hiding ure miss comings but trying to criticize us!
Or is that u really malaga signing off on another name lol
Chris the REDman
Why are telling me I can pop by on my own page lol, why dnt I tell me where i'm wrong to start with?
Chris the REDman
Cant wait for you lot to fall apart.
you will be asking for moyes head by xmas.
your cocky attitude is about to brought down to size.
rvp face when asked about moyes was a picture.
lmfao
malaga gooner
You seem more excited for our season than you do about your own, troubling times ahead cocker
The Arses haven't actually got into the Champions league yet, have they? Don't they have to play in some sort of "qualifying" competition first?
MG, laughing at something that hasn't happened and will probably not happen. I wish I could be as easy to please as you are.
I will remind you about this post of your next May when we are battling it out for the EPL, while you are struggling to finish 4th ;)
Sydney!
Malaga how are we cocky? U started this argument! If ure going to post drivel at least post something relevant! Ure post relies on something that has and prob may not happen!
Is it our fault ure teams in decline? Is our fault ure best players leave? Is our fault your manager never spends?
Ure obvious anger and bitterness is directed in the wrong direction mate.
Chris the REDman
Love these gooners coming on here and chirping away, especially the intellectual Malaga. lmfao is that what you have been doing all season at your usual procession to nothing apart from champions league qualification. Why don't you concentrate on your own fortunes instead of hoping against hope that the biggest club in the world suffer a dip in fortunes.
By the way can one of you gooners let me know what qualities the star striker Giroud posesses? Definitely a suitable replacement for RVP. or maybe he was replacing Franny Jeffers as he is about as good. Also enlighten me to the virtues of Gervinho as that muppet should be playing sunday league.
Anyone enjoy the emirates cup and trying to squeak into fourth, but even more enjoy a summer of being linked with loads of top players whose wages you can't afford and then sign some pile of s**t from Lorient or some Ligue two club.
Bazza
21 May 2013 16:53:29
REDman,
Who exactly is this Miss Comings, is she by any chance related to Miss Fortune, maybe a Miss Guided or even a Miss Tyfied.
Please son if you are going to banter try and speak proper England. lol.
The fact you didn't grasp pop by any time speaks volumes about you.
As usual I do note you have no answer other than to make your usual not very funny and fairly childish comments, you go on about respect for Arsenal but can't help yourself when it comes to trying to be smart. For your own sake dont.
So in relation to RVP being the true meaning of the word BOTTLER you actually have no real reply.
UFB!
A player who leaves a club who celebrate finishing 4th for a club that wins trophies is hardly a bottler, that's what you call a winner, maybe arsenal should have learnt this and brought some quality to your club instead of players like gervinho.
phil
21 May 2013 17:23:11
Yes redman, "if your going 2 banter try speaking proper england!
C86
It makes me laugh how any if the gooner or shall we say 'goner' fans can have a dig at rvp. Umm, where did he finish in the scoring charts? Where did his team finish in the league? And where did our under21's finish?
You've got it lads!
Do u honestly think a club like united are going to collapse and die because our great manager has retired? If u just get your heads out of piers Morgan's arise and look for a second, you'll see that our team is in fantastic position for years to come, also you'll see that all our under 21"s are not too shabby!
Grow up and start picking on your own manager and owners for lack of ambition. You'll be fighting it out with spurs for fourth spot again.
Nomidfield
Nomidfield,
I am a little confused, I know on this thread you are defending united but what you just said is the kind of positive post that you very rarely post when bantering with united fans.
It leads me to think you just post the opposite of what other people on the post are saying to provoke a reaction.
Don't get me wrong I loved the positivity in that post, but it has been all too lacking in any of your posts over the last 6 months.
21 May 2013 12:32:42
I've been reading this site for a long time. Ever since the second transfer request By Rooney, fans have been slating him off. They want him sold and out of the club in an instant. But let me remind you that this is the same player that stayed and took on the responsibility when Ronaldo left for Madrid and Tevez joined s***ty. I'll admit that he has handed in two requests uptill now but think for a second, no player just wants to leave the best club in the country, one of the major clubs in the world. Maybe he has a reason?
All I'm saying is that no matter what happens with him in the future, just remember the good times and the memories he gave us. He has had a dip in form this season but despite that he has played an important part in the success with his goals and assists. I for one am prepared to give him a chance again. I mean in today's football world, there are very few players who choose to remain with a club for a long period of time, look at Ibrahimovic!
Long post I know but one I was prepared to write for a great player that Wayne has been.
Long post? Wait til shappy and moon get going ;)
Whats the reason?, that he smokes, that he can't look after his body. that he doesn't want to fight for his place with rvp. that he cam at the beginning of the season unhealthy, that he had to work on his fitness in the middle of the season because he couldn't be bothered to stay away from alcohol partying and smoking not to mention eating junk.
He's been great for us at times. but if he is not bothered to look after his fitness and be prepared to be a professional sportsman then its no point in keeping him.
There are no excuses or reasons to not be fit, there is no one here trying to slate him or there is no here that hasn't noticed his contributions to the team.
But the matter of fact is that he's one of the highest paid footballers in Manchester united has no excuse for his actions.
If he's willing to accept a pay cut and work on his fitness no one here would mind for him to stay with Manchester united.
If he can't work on the simple things then he has no place in the squad in my point of view.
Singh
The guy was world class and for whatever reason has turned to an above average player at best so why should we tolerate someone with this behaviour let alone have some one not good enough in our team!
Can some one please tell me why they think rooney is unfit and eating unhealthy blah d blah come now unless your his best mate and see him every day how do u know what the he's eating sorry I forgot that you know every little thing about what rooney eats oh and how much he trains etc yes he's had some terrible form this season but I have to say the man management of the whole situation has been to leave rooney out in the cold don't blame him he was being puched out little or no confidence and the fans haven't a clue what's going on behind the scenes I think fans have made rooney a scape goat purely because of the timing of the request, remember before saf announced his retirement it was saf that decided to tell the media which was uncharacteristic of him. oh and remember when rooney wanted to leave in 2010 and the numerous post on here including me saying how it was about time a big player came out and spoke out about the standard of players we were selling compared to bringing in we were all on his side because we thought it would kick fergiw and glazers up the arse and buy world class players, 2 we've bought in those 3 yearse and one of them is 23 and still developing I think its laughable how fickle fans are and how they can't remember last season let alone others
Forgot to sign the post, oh and sorry if u don't understand I didn't proof read my bad, ps I think fergie give up on rooney and seen that rvp was in form so didn't see the need to deal with rooney if u look back at everything he said about rvp and rooney, fergie clearly had a favourite
littlereddevil
21 May 2013 14:35:24
Well consider this, at the end of last season Rooney went off to the Euro's with england and would have continued to train every day and have his meals monitored while away. Meaning his weight would have been under control. Then he came home from the Euro's and had a three week holiday before turning up to pre season with us. When he arrived at pre season he was nearly one and a half stone over weight. To put on one and a half stone in three weeks is very hard to do. And he hardly did it eating salads.
Lol at eating salads ;) Shappy that was a great one.
I really needed someone to reply to no name talking nonsense.
Singh
Oh I forgot you left a name so excuse me for that.
Singh
Anyone wanting Rooney out is seriously mad. This man is one of the best in the world. He needs to get fit and get his head in then right place and Moyes will do that.
Valencia was rubbish, do I hear you calling for his head! Same goes for nani, young, Anderson? They're all rubbish and they have no future here, but all everyone wants is for Rooney to go?
When rvp was not scoring, rooney scored some important goals for us. And also he forged a very good partnership with rvp.
A lot of players rightly crtisize people who don't support the players, so what is all this hatred towards Rooney for?
Just remember, saf played him out of position most of last season. Just like he's played kagawa out of position. So maybe we should all calm down, give Moyes a chance to have talks with Rooney, and then whatever the outcome we have to stand by it. I for one, want him in my team and not playing for Chelsea or city. Be careful what u wish for guys.
I think this guy above is spot on, I think if rooney wanted to leave he would have announced it publicly by now I think with a new manager its like a new start for him
littlereddevil
Noname - the reason other players like Valencia, don't get as much abuse right now, is because we can see that for Toni, playing for this club means everything to him, and he probably realises just how lucky he is to be here.
The main reason Rooney is getting criticised, is not actually because of his poor form/fitness issues etc etc
It's because he's asked to leave our club twice now in three years.
If you don't mind our club being treated like that, then fair enough, but it would appear that many here actually think a player, any player, is not bigger than the club.
22 May 2013 01:05:02
surely it can't all be down to rooney, don't get me wrong I totally agree with everyone but if your telling me that a professional football player who trains nearly everyday can't shift that before Christmas for example with all the help of sport science something else must be affecting him weather its psychological or physical we as ordinary supporters will never know all the details 100% but I just get the feeling that fergie gave up with him when he decided to retire over xmas and decided to play whoever was inform getting the goals (rvp) I don't blame fergie because he knew he was leaving and I would have done the same to go out on a high, I would go as far as to say this is why rooney wanted to leave 'a fresh start might be better' but now that moyes will be in charge he will be looking at long term obviously which may include rooney or not. moyes recently was speaking very highly of him, I also think there are differences in the circumstances leading up to both requests and shouldn't be judged together remember last time how straight away he released it on his website and twitter via his agent and this time we are still waiting for a single word or sentence from him which is weird but I also think that we won't be going out spending 70 or 80 odd mill on various players I don't think that's moyes style or utd DM did say that he will carry on the tradition of youth and who knows maybe there could be some talented youth players getting a go next year if rooney does go I can only see us buying 2 player at most
21 May 2013 11:58:40
Ed who is the better midfielder between vidal and marchiso. And who is better suited to the way united play
Sid {Ed004's Note - Vidal for both imo. Though I would happily take either}
Vidal is a monster.
ed who would u sign to improve us more next season and wot formation would u like to see implemented by moyes? Obviously being realistic.
Chris the REDman {Ed004's Note - I dunno I'd like to make a few changes but it all depends on the money available and players going. I reckon outs could be Rooney, Nani, Anderson and possibly any of Young, Evra and Hernandez. So I reckon we will see four signings Baines, Strootman, Di Maria and Lewandowski but I would prefer to sign two midfielders such as Gundogan and Lars Bender and instead of Lewandowski another winger and keep Hernandez while moving Kagawa central}
21 May 2013 15:17:15
Vidal is probably the best all round midfielder in the world, and me and Jono were calling for him to be signed before he went to Juventus for a measly 14m. The only all round midfielder close to Vidal is Schweinsteiger. No one else offers that combination of defensive stability, ability to drive the team on and attacking proficency with his work rate. He will dive into a crunching hard tackle, win the ball, play a pass and drive into the oppostion half, recieve the ball back and either take on a shot or lay on a pass for an assist all in about 20 seconds. But what makes him the best is he'll do that 2/3 times a game in every game. As well as always being an option to recieve a pass and will keep possession of the ball and keep it moving thus dictating the game. For me he is the perfect blend of Scholes and Keane, although not as rash as Keane or the passing range of Scholes. He's much better version of Gerrard.
21 May 2013 11:55:59
i am abit unaware of our targets this summer? I know we need a new defender and midfield is a must! lewandowski is a fav of mine as is thiago or fabregas of barca for midfield and zouma from st. etienne? oppinions appreciated! oh, rooneys gone in my mind! cheers guys! scott.
Do we need a new defender? Where?.
Rio is signing a new deal and with the number of defensive players we have I think we are covered along the back.
I think we might get a CM this summer not sure it'll be either of those, I like thiago not sure he's a player we'd go for though.
Think most of us would like Lewy here, especially if Rooney does go.
Other place I see us signing some is in goal. Can see Lindegaard leaving this window and don't think Amos will be put in as no. 2. Not sure who we could go after talk about Begovic but really don't know.
Imo we will sign a forward, winger, leftback and center mid
Lewi for striker, di Maria for winger, bains for left back and I hope gundogan for CM but I think it will be Strootman
Chris the REDman
Chris
That would be a very good summer for us.
Shahram
21 May 2013 11:28:18
In response to the comment credited to Juergen Klopp, I think the guy is spot on. I've always wondered why we always have to play players out out of their positions. take Wayne Rooney's case for instance, instead of buying a solid midfielder who'll be supplying our forwards accurate passes, we deployed Rooney there. Don't you think Rooney performs better when he plays up front? Same goes for Nani, Giggs, Jones, who had been played out of their positions. Kagawa had been subjected to this as well.
fmy
Anderson looked like such a prospect before he came to United, playing in a more advanced role.
I still think he is a good player but his fitness let's him down massively, but still he was never used in his best position.
Anyone who doesn't rate Kagawa in with the very best clearly doesn't watch him closely enough, he is exceptionally good. I'd happily play him in an attacking midfield role at the expense of Rooney.
Agree with both posters, saf has played all these players out of position. And mostly due to his reluctance and inadequacies when buying decent midfielders. The last good midfielder we bought was carrick, and Keane and ince before him. The rest came thru the ranks.
He bought veron, Anderson who have not performed to the level required. And then deployed giggs and Jones there? This is man united fie god's sake. All the top teams have world class midfielders, while our manager chooses to move our main striker into midfield, then he puts a 39 year old and a 38 year old against Chelsea's midfield.
The problem does not lie with Rooney, it lies with Ferguson and his rubbish scouting system who have not managed to buy one decent midfielder in years, apart from kagawa and then playing him DM, left wing etc, anywhere but his best position,
I'm glad we have a change now, Ferguson has been superb, but his tactics in recent years against the top teams have been shambolic.
21 May 2013 10:47:16
What with both Ronaldo and Bale looking like
they will be staying at their respected clubs
and with us hopefully in for a leftfooted winger/Acm who do you think will be tje best option out of the 3 we seem to be most linked to? Di Maria Gaitan or Rodriguez?
My choice would be di maria as he has
more experience at the top level and would probably be the cheapest
Id be very happy with Rodriguez but he's not the finished article! Hope we stay well away from Gaitan!
LP {Ed004's Note - Would love Rodriguez but I reckon it will be Di Maria}
I think you're right re bale and Ronaldo. Shame.
But why do we need to get de maria as he's the cheapest? We're not Blackpool? No disrespect to Blackpool. We are man united, we should be buying the top players not the cheapest ones as the Glazers will want us to. We've bought enough of the so called cheap players, tosic, obertan, Bebe, bellion, young, Anderson. So we don't need any more thank you!
No name - just because someone is good value, does not mean they're not good.
Di Maria is a regular for his country, a top footballing nation, and one of the top club sides in the world.
I think it would be a steal, when you see what some over-rated, over-hyped English players are going for these days.
Well StevieK I reckon Di Maria would be a great player no doubt but Gaitan would be the cheapest just to point that out
21 May 2013 10:46:16
Can anybody or the eds tell me was there anybody else in the frame for the United job when Fergie let it know to the board that he was retiring apart from Moyes. I would have gone for Mourinho or if not Ancelotti, I read an article last week that Gill had favoured Mourinho also who decideds the new manager was it the board or who
Cheers
Kloot applied, Sydney rejected his application and then Percy said Nani should get the job
Nat
Its a good job Sydney turned my application down as there are a lot of average players who would be shown the door and the takings of the KFC would go down
I put myself up Ferguson said I couldn't because I make a show of Rooney and Anderson in training
21 May 2013 10:44:21
Ivanovich's son signed a professional contract with Chelsea. It is said that they signed him to replace Fernando Torres after seeing his wonderful run and finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqsgQLRezKU
Some Chelsea fans aren't happy though. They think it was poor defending for this goal.
21 May 2013 10:25:36
Good Jurgen Klopp interview here would have loved him at Manchester United
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/21/jurgen-klopp-borussia-dortmund-champions-league
Agreed pardoe. Some also posted that he'll be no good as he is a foreigner! I've heard the man, he speaks better English than a lot of people I know, and he would be a superb manager for us. Hopefully he'll still be available in two years time when Moyes is gone.
21 May 2013 10:26:56
Can anyone confirm that we will still be playing Wigan in the community shield? Just curious if their relegation has a bearing on them playing in the game. I don't see why it would, but I would just like confirmation. Thanks
Yes of course we do.
21 May 2013 10:05:59
Herr Kloop in the gruniad
". He hits his head with his palm. "Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing! My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji's best role. He's an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw. ""
I always felt that with Kagawa coming we were seeing the end of Rooney (unless he reinvented himself).
I would take Rooney over Kagawa any day of the week.
He is nowhere near as effective as Rooney.
Rooney is a better player all round, scores more goals, creates more assists. The facts don't lie.
Simmo {Ed004's Note - I think we have played or most exciting football when Kagawa is on the pitch tbh}
Simmo,
I could not disagree anymore with your whole post. Have you watched the two of them play this season? Kagawa has been totally wasted.
Simmo let's wait and see if Kags plays as attacking midfielder next season. Sundays game only gave us a morsel of how good he is
21 May 2013 11:37:01
Simmo - Facts may not lie - but how we interpret them frequently distorts the truth.
@Ed004 - spot on as usual
GDS
The facts don't lie, Rooney has had a stinker of a season, scored more goals, created more assists than Kagawa and let's not forget that Rooney has been played out of position as well.
I am not saying Kagawa is a bad player, he will be judged next season where he needs to step up and produce on a regulat basis.
Simmo
I don't have the stats to hand but I would suggest Rooney has played up front a lot more than kagawa this season and has also played more games in general.
Kagawa has a touch of class that Rooney has lacked for 2 years now. Rooney obviously has other things going for him that kagawa does not have, but the truth is, facts do lie unless you are looking at two players who play the exact same games in the exact same position for the exact same team, which is never going to happen.
GDS
Easy reply to your post.
People really do have short memories.
Simmo
Both kagawa and wazza have been poor this season but one can Do no right one can do no wrong Last year kagawa was poor before xmas and really struggled for form but played well after that. Rooney carried the team last year and scored more than rvp has this year so maybe some people do have short memories
21 May 2013 15:29:45
Kagawa started off well enough but obviously the rest of the team weren't on the same wave length as him. Then he got injuried and came back when the team were playing well and when they had adapted another way of playing which didn't suit Kagawa. He then knuckled down worked hard and started to force his way into the team with some great performances toward the back end of the season.
Where as Rooney had his nose put out of joint with the signing of RvP and adapted to play behind the main striker, but he has struggle with form and fitness and at times hasn't shown the same kind of commitment to the cause as he has in other seasons. He then started to be pushed out of his new role behind the striker by Kagawa and even Welbeck. This was due to Rooney's lack of effort and poor form which came from it. Then instead of knuckking down like Kagawa did after his injury he decided to throw his toys out of the pram and ask for another transfer.
As Sir Alex has said a fully fit and commited Rooney will always be one of the first names on the team sheet. But this lazy can't be arsed Rooney that has come out this season is a squad player at best.
On form Rooney is for the moment at least a better player than Kagawa, but Kagawa will only get better where as Rooney appears to be on a downward slope.
Rooney is a better player than Kagawa, like someone said, short memories. but I should say "has been" a better player than Kagawa. Rooney has been talent wise amongst the very best players in the world, though consistantly performance wise not as good as that talent bar a couple of seasons.
I also agree with what someone said on this post, Kagawa started off very well, got his injury and only started to perform again the end of the season. Kagawa technically is excellent at doing the simple things, finding space and threading balls through, if he goes on to be as successful as Rooney has been for us bar the last 18 months he has done very well. Next season he could be an important player for us, but let's wait and see before lauding him over Rooney just because of vitriol over Rooneys last 18 months and actions at the club please
Invisible STuey
21 May 2013 09:26:19
seeing as sydney keeps invading our page giving his opinion on our club I thought I would do the same.
for me I think your club have made a HUGE mistake by giving MOYES the job.
i think utd have got to the stage in footballing status that hi-profile was the only way to go.
i do not see moyes being able to attract the top players.
would rvp sign for moyes?
moyes will be under immense pressure, he will have to hit the ground running he will have to deliver 1st season.
what happens if moyes is a disaster and you do not get cl football.
every club has a lull in its history, what happens if you have a barren next 2 season.
next season is the most important time in your history. what if its a disaster.
MOYES DOES NOT DO IT FOR ME.
MALAGA GOONER
What if, what if, what if. LOL.
Clutching at straws methinks.
Sydney!
Malaga
Thank you for your hysterical moaning but I think you have enough to worry about with your own club -
we are more than capable of moaning about ours.
If he wins anything in his first 3 years I'd be happy we aren't a knee jerk club let the guy come in get a feel ov things the see how/if he wants to change things,
Let's give the guy a chance.
An u don't kno how good he'll b for us u earn high profile did u kno who wenger was before he was appointed? Wher was he japan?
Mouriniho was a interpreter, guardiola was barcas b team coach they earned it they ddnt jus wake up high profile 1day
That's nice to know. 8 years, how's it feel to be small?
I don't know what happens if we have two barren seasons, i'd imagine very little - perhaps you could advise given youve been trophyless for the best part of a decade
You could be fighting out with the spuds for 4th spot.
lmfao
malaga gooner
I wonder what will happen to Arsenal when Wenger moves on? I think you are the one that needs to be worrying Malaga my dear boy.
Brendan81
I'd concentrate on your own clubs failings, losing top players season after season. In-fighting within the board, you lot moan about Wenger, but you'd be in a far worse state without him. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Malaga Gooner. 7 years now without a major honour, yeah it's all change at Old Trafford the fact that everyone seems pre - smug thinking we will fail at this that and the other, drives us on. I'm be no means saying we will set the world alight and maybe just maybe we will have a barren few seasons, but I for one will be behind the manager and staff. I am sure Sir Alex has made the right choice and him staying on as Director is probably to advise Moyes on any settling in period. So as much as you smug cockney's would like us to fail, so your not alone in the world of underachieving. Kindly keep your sarcy comments to yourself.
R3DJay
21 May 2013 10:35:31
Well done for your ignorance. When in history have United EVER done things the same way as everyone else? We don't we do things our way, were trend setters not followers.
All of our success has come under managers who do things a certain way, they bring in players of a certain attitude, and they base the squad on foundations of players from within the club. And because of this it breeds a kind of winning mentality. The only players you have in your team who care about Arsenal are Wilshere and Gibbs. The last time you had sustained success was when you had players like Adams, Winterburn, Dixson, Keown, Wright, Parlour ect. What does that tell you? It tells you that you need players who care about the club in order to maintain long term success. Now all you have is Arsenes obsession with young men, ship them out when they get too old or they develop ambition to win things. And replace them with some young lad. This obsession with young men has made your club a stepping stone club. And until you get a manager who has actual ambition to win things rather than a manager who would rather not rock the boat as he's happy with his huge salary and his changing room full of young boys.
Moyes is a man who has the same principals as Sir Alex and Sir Matt, yes he maybe lacking experiance at the highest level but so were Sir Matt and Sir Alex when they took the job. I think he will be a great managaer for us. Unfortunately no one can replicate Sir Alex's success which means history might not look as kindly on Moyes as maybe it should do.
What you need to remember as well is that unlike most jobs Moyes is walking into a winning team with a winning set up and a winning mentality. This doesn't happen often, ironically it is happening at Bayern atm as well but it is a rare occurance. Normally when a new manager comes into a club it is to rebuid it as it isn't winning. Like the next Arsenal manager will have to do. But Sir Alex has stepped aside with the team at the top with an excellent aet up and a fantastic group of players who will only get better such as DDG, Rafael, Jones, Evans, Smalling, Buttner, Cleverley, Welbeck, Kagawa and Hernandez. With a group of experianced players with a history of success such as Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Valencia, Young, Rooney, Nani and RvP. And a great group of young players coming through such as Micheal Keane, Blackett, Vermijl, Tunnicliffe, Ekanamene, Petrucci, Cole, Lingard, Januzaj, Will Keane and Henriquez. Not all will make it and not all will stay at the club but it is a fantastic time to be taking over Man Utd. Plus there will be money to spend and the ablity to attact top players.
So people hoping and prey this is the end of United as its their only chance to win things should probably think again.
Sydney how old were you when saf took charge at utd?
have you ever seen a barren spell as utd fan?
i have been an arsenal supporter since the 70s, it is not the 1st time I have seen arsenal go through a barren spell and it probably won't be the last.
saf was an exceptional manager and I doubt you will ever see his likes again.
i gave an opinion on moyes.
sydney I thought you were a real fan what's with the childish reply.
ed can you tell me why my post had been edited.
my original post stated is was not a piszz take and I wanted to gage utd fans opinions because I thought utd were a huge part of football.
you have turned my post into a pissz take and it was not meant to be.
malaga gooner {Ed004's Note - The only part of the original post I edited was the part of you asking to have the post put on the site in engage with United fans I only edited 2 lines}
The way your team celebrated finishing fourth says it all, it was embarrasing, anyone who didn't know would have presumed you had won the league.
phil
At least NINE years without a trophy.
Embarrassing!
Sydney!
I think every true Manchester united fan with atleast an ounce of common sense would understand that its the beginning of a new era and wouldn't have knee jerk reactions because IMO I expect Moyes transitioning and gettng used to life at a big club to be next season so I think all of us would be quite patient and hope that by the following season we are champions again. Its quite reassuring that his taking over from a league winning team.
So please worry about battling Tottenham for fourth place and don't worry about united, you going to quite surprised!
21 May 2013 08:31:55
Been watching a few videos of Shinji Kagawa on YouTube and well it's been a good season for him, struggled a bit around Christmas time but these last few months he's started to find his feet and well he's been excellent, I really hope Moyes plays him behind van Persie next year as he'd be far more effective imo, we have the likes of Powell, Daehli, Januzaj and Henriquez coming through, but I think Shinji deserves a special mention, he's going to be a Key Member of our side for years to come. He has all the attributes to be one of the best midfielders in the world, he is the only midfielder I would say wouldn't look out of place in the Barcelona midfield. I would also like to mention Hernandez too, a loyal pro and let's face it one of if not the best poacher in Europe at the minute. He's also adding more to his game which I'm pleased to see and hopefully he gets more of a chance under Moyes, but 17 goals most from the bench, can't complain.
Caolán. {Ed004's Note - Video link wasn't working for me so I have deleted it. Though videos of Kagawa are not hard to find on Youtube}
Interesting interview with Klopp in The Sun today where he mentions him and Shinji crying in each others arms when he left for us. He also says it "breaks his heart" watching him play on the left wing for us, which tells its own story
Invisible STuey
What is it with people on here waxing lyrical about Kagawa.
No way has he has he had a good season, he's even said himself that he's been dissapointed with his contribution this season.
Yes, he may have the potential but we have only seen little glimpses in 3 or 4 games that's it.
It's a massive season for him next year and that's when he will be judged.
Simmo
I do feel sorry for Kagawa, he's been messed around out of position and wrongly substituted all season. He should be key to our midfield next season, playing just behind RVP and Hernandez/Lewandowski. No room for Rooney any more.
Simmo maybe if he wasn't played out of position he would have done a lot better.
Caolan
Does playing out of position apply to Rooney as well?
No. I didn't think so because Rooney doesn't matter to the club anymore because he's asked to leave hasn't he.
What short memories some fans have.
I really hope Moyes persuedes him to stay and he goes out next season and scores 25-30 goals to shut all these (so called fans) up saying he's no longer class, his best days are behind him.
Simmo
Short memory? Yeah Rooney has been played out of position but if you use that as a reason to leave it obviously shows he wants to be the main man, I respect Rooney for everything he has done for the club been a great servant but I think I speak for everyone when I say I want the Wayne Rooney back who if asked to play on the left wing did it and did it brilliantly, he was fantastic for us when Cristiano was the main man. Wayne needs to realise he isn't the main player anymore and sometimes you need to do what's best for the team instead of throwing the toys out of the pram. Start of the season did Michael Carrick complain about play centre back? Did he ask to leave? No he did what was best for the team.
Caolan
You don't know anything about what's happened behind the scenes at United, it's guess work.
Only Wayne Rooney knows why he want's to leave, not you and not the other fans on here.
This is what annoys me, everyone thinks thay know his reasons and have slated him without knowing the facts.
Anyway, in my opinion I would take Wayne rooney over Kagawa any day of the week.
Simmo
Well Rooney hasn't been committed and as Alex Ferguson said an on form Wayne Rooney would not be subbed of early, I'd rather have a team of players with the commitment of Phil Jones or Darren Fletcher who play every game as if its there last, that commitment Rooney had.
Simmo, it doesn't matter what went on, or what his reasons were - asking for a transfer twice in three years is just taking the p1ss. If it was another player at another top club, we'd be laughing our arses off at them.
You talk about short memories, as if this was just the first time he'd asked to leave - it would seem you and his apologists are the ones with short memories.
22 May 2013 00:33:48
Oh okay Simmo, so we aren't proper fans because we take exception to this greedy person handing in TWO transfer request and basically overshadowing SAF's retirement? I want him out.
21 May 2013 07:52:24
With Bale signing a one year renewed contract extension, Ronaldo looking more and more unlikely this summer, Rio staying on for another year and Rooney still in the balance but more than likely leaving.
Who does everyone want to sign this summer and how likely do you think those transfers are?
Paul
Ronaldo I think is unlikely this summer unless he still refuses to sign a new contract and Real decide they would rather sell him now than next year for less money. I 100% believe he will be back but more than likely it will be next year or when he is a free agent in 2 years.
Personally I can see Moyes going for Baines unless he has assured Everton he won't take any players. If so he could go for someone like Alex Sandro who I would be very happy with.
I can't see Fellaini coming as I think SAF has pretty much decided that Strootman is the man to improve our CM position and I honestly don't want Fellaini anyway.
I think we will get Lewandowski, SAF likes him, he'd like to come and I think the Bayern talk is a smoke screen as we have agreed, in principal, to sign him in July. He has had the Champions League to concentrate on and United do things the right way unlike Bayern so won't allow anything to leak out yet.
We already have Zaha coming who I think will get more game time than people are thinking.
It then depends on who goes, if Hernandez or Rooney go we will need another striker. If Young AND Nani go we will need another winger along with Zaha. If Anderson goes probably another CM player or if Moyes sees Jones as a CM then we will need another CB maybe Kurt Zouma as he looks very good.
My prediction would be.
Outs
Rooney, Anderson, Nani, Macheda, Bebe, Lindegaard, Evra,
Ins
Zaha, Lewandowski, Baines (unless agreed otherwise), Strootman, Zouma, Rodriguez (if we decide to upgrade from Young).
I'd be pretty happy with that in one summer I think. Then the possibility of Ronaldo coming next summer too.
Brendan81
As you say Brendan, a lot of our incomings depends on those who are outgoing. I don't see why Ronaldo is becoming less and less likely though, he is still not signing a new deal and I can see him not wanting to play through another transitional phase at Madrid. Now, I know that we are under going a managerial change, but SAF will still be at the club and there will not be radical changes like there will be at Madrid. There will still be levels of stability.
I can see us going for Lewandowski, Ronaldo, Baines and then one of Strootman/Moutinho/Fellaini. Ideally Strootman or Moutinho (or both). 4 players though seems realistic. With Rio signing a new deal then we don't need another centre back till next season or January if he is young to bed him in - someone like Zouma would fit the bill perfectly. {Ed004's Note - How would you line up with Lewandowski etc and I'm not sure about Moutinho there must be a reason why no club has taken the risk on him at the age of 25+ year old as he is still playing in Portugal}
Fresh I just think Ronaldo is unlikely this summer as if he won't sign a contract and Real don't want to sell now we know we will get him for a lot less next summer so we might not push it unless Madrid are willing to negotiate. He would cost £60m+ this summer but next summer he would be 29 and in the last year of his contract so realistically would cost about £40m. Will United be happy to pay £20m extra for 1 season? Probably not unfortunately.
I would definitely go for Zouma now and give him a good year to settle in before Rio leaves to help him learn and see how he goes. If it was me I would get him and Sandro in as they are both young and will be very good players for years to come. i'm kind of hoping Moyes has told Everton he won't come knocking.
I don't want Fellaini or Moutinho personally. If I was getting 2 CM's in I would 100% go with Strootman and Gundogan for quality, age and value.
Brendan81
Apparently moutinho is close to joining spurs
How much revenue would we (Nike, Chrysler etc. etc. ) get for Ronaldo in the next twelve months if we signed him now. Reckon the extra £20M probs a drop in the Ocean
No name, I agree and would personally get him this summer but just can't see it. I would carry the guy back from Madrid if it meant he came this summer.
Brendan81
21 May 2013 03:12:49
i for one cannot see united paying anywhere near the asking price from bale, i'm a welsh united fan and would love nothing more than to see bale tearing it up at united for the next decade and follow in flying ryans boots. I just hope moyes doesn't run us on budget and does splash out on some big players to strengthen the squad, but not I don't agree that fellaini is technically gifted enough for united, surely there is another player moyes could look at in the same price range?
21 May 2013 00:24:48
Jurgen Klopp on Kagawa 'Shinji is one of the best players in the world and now he plays 20 mins at Man United on the left wing! It breaks my heart really I have tears in my eyes central midfield is Shinji's role he has one of the best noses for goals' Red91
21 May 2013 01:17:40
He's right, Kagawa is a world class player who needs to be played in his best position inorder for him to reach his full potential.
I think he needs to be played in the middle of the three in a 4231 formation or as the one in a 4312. which is the formation I think we should move towards now.
hopefully next year we will see the best of Kagawa.
I read the same interview, if Rooney stays where does Kags fit into our team. He is a great little player but Fergie had a bad habit of playing people out of position.
I totally agree Kagawa & RVP is the best player we have now in terms of technical ability. But we failed to utilize him in the best way. I hope that Moyes can sort this out in the right way.
I think we'll see Kagawa more this season, his injury didn't help and I think United put him on a weights programme like Hernandez to cope with the physical side of the Premier League.
It would be very easy to throw him into the side but players do need a bedding in period, his quality would not of gone unnoticed and I think he'll be in the nominations for for PFA player of the year next season after a good break and pre season.
21 May 2013 00:03:14
If Rooney were to stay how many on here would continue to support him?
21 May 2013 01:14:04
I've been on here on many times saying that imo it's time for Rooney to go. But if he stayed I would continue to support him every time he wore the shirt.
I want what is best for United, and although my personal opinion is not a flattering one of Rooney. I will continue to cheer him on while he plays for us.
But I will never forgive him for the way he has treated the club and our greatest ever manager.
When Rooney leaves our club the statistics may indicate that he was a great player in our history. But having lived through his time and seen his performances both on and off the field I can be confident that he won't be remembered in the same favourable light as our legends.
So although I will always support any player who wears the shirt, Rooney included. To me he will always be that scouse kid who did alright.
If his performance improves drastically I would support him but on current form and attitude I think we are being robbed at 200k or what ever his wages are.
Shahram
I surely will. He is the one player who gives more than 100 percent day in and day out when he is committed. Its very difficult to find a player now with such attribute at world class level.
Rooney gives 100% day in day out? Leaving aside him returning to training overweight and his other lifestyle problems, how many times have we seen him meandering around the pitch in a sulk? Sometimes he puts huge effort in, sometimes he's not bothered.
DarkLard08, I guess you forgot to notice that I mentioned he gives in all when he is committed. I don't anyone will disagree on this
Fan_of_Carrick - how can you be committed on a part-time basis?
You're either committed or you're not - not just when you fancy it.