Manchester United Banter Archive May 21 2018

 

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21 May 2018 22:08:19
Evening guys. Ok your all still having your season inquisition and are down in the dumps so hopefully I can cheer you upšŸ‘. Only a bit of banter like. There are stalls set up all round the city selling flags banners etc for the weekend it's buzzing down here ( u been there u know what I mean) anyways I stopped at one for a couple of flags for van windowsšŸ˜‰ and they had the Man Utd dvd 17/18 top ten throw ins šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£.

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21 May 2018 22:20:38
Good luck for the weekend. If you don't win it just think. You would have had a worse season than us.

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21 May 2018 22:20:46
Come back to us when you win the premiership and we will talk then.

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21 May 2018 22:44:16
Emojis galore, indecipherable run on sentences and the punctuation of a child. If I could decipher your post I might be able to reply, but, as it is, it may as well be written in hieroglyphics.

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22 May 2018 06:28:06
I thought it was funny!

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22 May 2018 07:30:05
That old chestnut, the 10 greatest throw ins, well used in the eighties and it was a yearbook joke then, usually trotted out after Liverpool won a league title. Not heard it since.

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22 May 2018 12:45:27
Cmon whereā€™s your sense of humour. Supasub youā€™re right we will of had worse season points wise but our football has been well more fun than yours. Leahy I will come back next week with 6 timesšŸ˜‰šŸ‘Œ RWWD you just sound like a out of work southern school teacher talk about the grammar not the content typical. Hoping Ronnie can save your season ten years after he left. šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø.

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21 May 2018 21:28:20
Gentlemen,

There are a few spots left for the Site Posters charity match next month.

As I want full squads and we are getting close to the date, the match fee will be whatever you are happy to donate to SEVA foundation and Macmillan Nurses.

Details are as follows:
16th June, 3pm KO
Wroxton Sports Club
Horley Road, Wroxton, Oxon OX15 6PY
There are cheap local hotels, and as some of the lads have already mentioned, plenty of beer joints!

I am in the process of adding all current participants to a whatsapp group. So I will put my back up phone number here, god forbid I put my usual number :)
07719565417
Whatsapp / text me asap, if you can attend and play.

The game will streamed live on the football rumours facebook page.


If any one reading this wants to donate to the above charities, there is a football rumours just giving donate page.

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21 May 2018 21:31:43
Anyone seen the Sanchez article in the mail?

Basically it sounds like a response to Scholes criticism of him, and saying he is not used to Joses tactics.

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21 May 2018 20:11:33
Reports that McKenna will be the 3rd additon to the JM staff. If he can manage to implement his style on JM and the team then that will make for a refreshing change next season.

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21 May 2018 22:17:58
Nice to promote within. Would be nice to see Jose perhaps delegate and appoint someone who can sort of the attacking side of the game. Some sort of cohesion and plan wouldnā€™t go a miss.

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21 May 2018 20:06:20
Fans on here seem obsessed with this right winger we need, our main issue is the RB and LB. If our forward players stay wide or cut inside like Martial, Mata, Sanchez etc then the full back must push on and overlap (Neville did it for years) . At present we have Valentia who stops every time and plays the ball back, it's hard to believe he was ever a winger. Sort out our full backs and we will immediately look better going forward by creating more problems for teams.

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21 May 2018 20:16:42
I wonder what's Jose asks the players to do?

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{Ed025's Note - not get beat..

21 May 2018 20:28:08
Exactly ED. Joshā€™s team talk is donā€™t concede and we donā€™t loss. Then he hopes someone will manage to score the odd goal.

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{Ed025's Note - i think your spot on PTD..

21 May 2018 20:31:46
Valencia used to have the engine to get up and down the pitch but ever since his mid season injury (West Brom away? ) he looks to have lost it. I don't think it's tactical that they sit and wait for the ball to come back to them.

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21 May 2018 21:15:57
So maybe not fully commit the fb until your a goal or 2 up .
If your fb is in the last third don't lose possession and get caught out of position, find feet support the attack .
Don't just lob it in the box?

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22 May 2018 09:43:55
Its so confusing as to why we have taken 2 "wingers" made them into wingbacks and all of a sudden they cant/ won't take a player on, go past an opponent and reach the final 1/ 3rd only to check and play behind or sideways. Valencia seems incapable of crossing a ball and young overhits most of the few balls he puts in. Simply upgrading these positions would help with the speed of play that can both excite the fans and bring goals.

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21 May 2018 15:58:18
Seeing as the defence is just as important as attack for jose, why not go nuts out and sign not only alderweirald but also eric dier, i think dier could be the leader needed, give the spuds shaw, smalling and jones, heck give them martial if it gets the deal over the line, at least that way its put to bed now, and not spent in a bidding war over the summer on players from other leagues who normally take a season to settle in, spend extra if needed, just get players in so the team can hit the ground running, hungry and angry for wasting last season, splash the cash now.

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21 May 2018 17:20:47
Wow, give them 4 players so that we can get an average defensive midfielder who has never won a thing? Talk about an overreaction / absolute nonsense.

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21 May 2018 17:27:07
Not a fan of Dier myself, he gives the ball away a lot, very average at most parts of the game. He can make good last ditch tackles and is decent in the air, but we'd get our pants pulled down for Spurs weak link imo.

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{Ed025's Note - very average for me beast..

21 May 2018 18:20:04
What about lindelof?
30 odd mil didn't even make the bench for the final .
Have we Give up in him.

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21 May 2018 18:37:00
Dier is so average itā€™s painful. I would like to see Alderweireld come in but we already have two very good young cbs at the club who we should be building our defence around. Lindelof and bailly have hardly been allowed to play together or build an understanding. That is 60m spent on defenders the manager wanted. No point buying more if he is going to just bench them for dumb and dumber (jones and smalling) . Perhaps giving bailly and lindelof an opportunity to make the position there own would be the best way forward. Itā€™s not rocket science.

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21 May 2018 18:37:22
Dier is often exposed and slow thinking. He is no better than Phil Jones at CB or CM.

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21 May 2018 18:42:06
Lindelof improved a lot over the season, just think he needs a good run instead of the odd game, shame he never really got to try and build a partnership with Bailly this season.

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21 May 2018 19:15:15
Alderweild and Erickson will be my pick of the Spurs team.

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21 May 2018 20:11:20
Glad to se eopinions to my own on dier I think heā€™s dire (waheyyy) he doesnā€™t offer anything really, bad being a utility player. Think Iā€™d rather have jones as much as he makes mistakes he puts 110% every game.

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21 May 2018 20:35:50
Fair do, i was just thinking maybe its time to buy players who know the league, as for dier (dire), fair enough, i just think he could do a job (yes a bad one, before anyone says maybe), but he has leadership quality, look the likes of when tony adams started at the arse, even his own fans called him a donkey, look at john terry at chavski, not blessed with pace or technical ability, but again it was what he brought as a whole that made the fans (and players' wives! ) love him, i see dier in that same mold, clearly the united dressing room is lacking someone to bring them together, and so far there's no-one stepping up;so for me, dier could be that man., but that'll be just me again then!

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21 May 2018 22:03:52
dose not lindelof play right back for sweeden when asked we could save money there instead of buying shiny new players all the time.

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21 May 2018 22:21:05
Agreed Cesar never seen the obsession of praise in dier. Never been impressed by him. Too slow as cb and has not got a good enough passing range to play defensive midfield.

Dawz- that would be square pegs in round holes again. Lindelof was bought to play cb and should be played there. Need to start playing players in their proper positions.

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21 May 2018 15:46:36
Just want to share my two cents about Sanchez and how it impacted our season and see what you guys think.

When we signed him, I wasn't exactly over the moon, like you'd usually be when you sign a big player in the league. He wasn't what we needed at all, nor did it address any of the problems we have seen all season. It made us even more unbalanced and disrupted how we were playing. Around late Dec/ early Jan, we had a pretty settled 11 and were doing okay. I said at the time how it was a more "look what we can do" signing, rather than a properly planned one (over City) . Now this isn't a dig at him or anything, but to me he just doesn't seem a good fit and I'm not sure if we will ever see the best of him (hope I'm wrong) . We desperately needed a RW more at the time (still do) and would of been way more beneficial to our season to sign someone like a Mahrez for example. It's just so frustrating because it's so obvious what we have needed all year and how it's turned out.

The balance in our team has cost us this season and probably impacted how we play in general, so I just hope Mourinho going forward, addresses what we actually need, otherwise this time next year will be even more negative than it already is.

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21 May 2018 16:06:02
Elvis I think we are caught in a trap.

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21 May 2018 16:30:13
we can't go back.

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21 May 2018 16:46:36
You lot have got suspicious minds .

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{Ed004's Note - My concern with Sanchez is that I don't know if his poor form is down to not being used to our tactics and just him needing a preseason and bit of time to gel. If we can get him to his best there's very few players around better in his position. However, I'm worried we have seen the best of Sanchez. I can't really tell but he seems like he's lost a yard of pace and I'm worried we are going to see a Rooney like decline}

21 May 2018 16:41:11
Love it Leahy.

'It's always on mind mind', how much it 'all shook up' Martial's season. Maybe we should 'Return to Sender', got a feeling 'it's now or never'. Or simply Sanchez just needs a 'Big Hunk O'Love', but I don't think he'll get it from the 'Devil in Disguise".

Sorry.

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21 May 2018 17:11:31
Haha fair play guys.

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21 May 2018 17:13:15
Also yer completely agree Ed, thought that too tbf. He's been playing non stop for years, so wouldn't be surprised if he is burnt out and he doesn't look at quick as he used to be. Just hope he does rediscover his form, because as we all have seen, he can be absolutely lethal.

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{Ed004's Note - I'm hoping he's just burn out and needs a nice rest over preseason. I'm worried tho that he's losing his athleticism that made him a pain to deal with}

21 May 2018 20:14:53
Very good Beast.
Elvis has left the building.

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21 May 2018 14:53:58
Alexis sanchez:

Started 12 league games, 2 goals and 3 assists.

Anthony Martial:

Started 18 league games (12 as sub) 9 goals and 5 assists.

Was sanchez worth all the hassle and commontion to sign him?

Has anthony martial been as bad as made out this season? Bearing in mind he was on course for double figures goals and assists before sanchez arrived.

If it was a straight choice between sanchez and martial, taking into account age and ability who would you keep?

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21 May 2018 15:04:22
Martial was doing ok, but was very inconsistent - I love watching him play, much better than Rashford for me. On paper Sanchez was a fantastic signing, like so many have been on paper.

Truth is a player is only as good as the manager let's them be more often that not. You see several of our ex-players and other Prem players pulling up trees in other teams/ leagues, not just our club but some players just don't fit certain styles or systems. Some join us and are never the same again afterwards.

Sanchez left Arsenal as their superstar - he is a fantastic player - almost every team in Europe would have signed him if they could.

Put it this way we have a lot of players playing well below their known potential - that is not a fluke, there is a pattern and I know how to change it, or at least try to change it!

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21 May 2018 15:07:29
Martial. Sanchez obviously the better player but he looks like he's on a completely different wavelength to all of our attackers and the midfield. Doesn't look suited to playing on the break at all, countless breaks fall apart when he slows it down. He'll no doubt improve but the last 5 months have been the worst he's played this decade. Shouldn't have signed him, think Woodward just fancied a "statement signing". That statement being he has no footballing intelligence.

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21 May 2018 16:23:45
I seen Memphis Depay score a hat trick for Lyon last game.

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21 May 2018 21:00:55
Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku and Rashford should scare the hell out of defences and score goals galore. Supported by Pog as a 10 I think heā€™d do wonders there.

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21 May 2018 14:17:20
United reportedly about to make a bid for Toby Alderweireld in the region of Ā£55m, can't make my mind up about him but he would be better than having to put up with Jones and Smalling again next season.

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{Ed004's Note - He is the best cb in the league and used to playing in a higher line which I hope we implement. Him and Bailly seem to be a perfect partnership in the making. Just sort out right and left back and we are nearly good to go}

21 May 2018 14:26:17
Yes would like to see him paired with Bailly, hoping the rumours of Sandro joining are true as well.

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21 May 2018 14:42:23
Not sure either for that money-although he is certainly a talent. I hope Bailly gets off the naughty step, which is where he appears to be .

I would go for quality over quanity every time, I see no place for Jones/ Blind/ Rojo - Smalling at a push/ lindelof/ new cb/ bailly / tuanzebe is plenty.

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21 May 2018 14:56:14
I couldn't believe Spurs got him so cheap to be honest, same with Kante to Chelsea. Both of them now would cost 5 times what was paid just a few years ago. Still worth it.

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21 May 2018 15:01:50
55 million pounds for a centre back that will be 30 in August and has spent 2 thirds of the season out with injury. madness.

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21 May 2018 16:24:55
He will be terrific signing.

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21 May 2018 18:39:32
Kante is a magnificent player. Would improve every single team in the world. What a steal Chelsea got him for. He would easily cost 100m if sold. There is nobody like him in world football.

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21 May 2018 12:29:21
Where is ............

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{Ed002's Note - Wrong page.}

21 May 2018 12:45:17
I know but was semi hoping youā€™d say here Ed šŸ˜‚ how are you 002?

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{Ed002's Note - I am fine thanks.}

21 May 2018 16:33:44
Ed002 i wondered if you would let us know where you get the samples for the sharkopods. Not football related i know but i love them as much as the info.

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{Ed002's Note - They come from the original records, in a couple of cases from CDs.}

22 May 2018 06:45:37
Thanks ed will have to trawl a few second hand record shops to find a few gems. Appreciate the response and looking forward to the samples in the next sharkopod (if there is one)

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{Ed002's Note - I might just be persuaded to do a Sharkopod with just music and nothing about transfers.}

22 May 2018 15:28:40
Ha ha i would enjoy it even if others didnt. Thanks again for taking time to reply.

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{Ed002's Note - Seems like a plan. I am heading for mainland Europe right now but will see what I can do next week.}

22 May 2018 19:44:03
Nice, thanks. Look forward to it.

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21 May 2018 12:26:27
Giorgio Chiellini contract is up at the end of the season

may be 33 but experience and leaderships is what we are lacking massively.

could do the job for a year or 2,

would it be worth it or would it be another stop gap option.

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21 May 2018 12:48:10
No. Too old, wages would be too high, would probably struggle to adapt to the league, and assuming in 12 months time we have a new manager he'd be another highly paid bench warmer we'd be struggling to move on.

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21 May 2018 13:48:35
Better than anything we have in our back 4. We have no leadership or experience there. Get him in!

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21 May 2018 14:03:20
Over 6ft, over 30 years old and likes to play the dirty game. Perfect Jose signing. Lol.

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21 May 2018 15:05:00
LOL Shappy.

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Review Of The Day 21st May 2018

21 May 2018 06:08:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 21st May 2018

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21 May 2018 02:28:46
I've read the debate down below about the United way, and just thought I'd throw my opinion in.
Firstly, the last great team we had was the 2006-2009 side. Pace, power, and breathtaking to watch. Once that side began to break up and age, we never played the same way under Fergie again. The final title win in 2013 was down to Van Persie who was out of this world. I remember watching games in that period and whilst we had exciting comebacks it wasn't champagne football, but it was effective (sounds familiar? ) . Fergie got the best from an average side which was built to play to the best striker in the world.

Now here we are, an average season and yet again the football hasn't been great, which I feel can't be argued. All this talk about the United way etc is blinding a lot of people, we haven't played the "United way" in nearly 10 years. This began under Sir Alex and has continued right through to Jose.

I would love to see us go back to the United way and promote youth, play in an attacking manner with pace and power, but that hasn't happened in years at the club.

There's talent in the youth sides, and there's some quality players at this club, we've just come second in the league and beaten every side. So let's be optimistic, losing a cup final can happen, we were wrote off by many after the 2005 final with arsenal, and things began to pick up after that.

As a fan base we need to get behind the team, the club and the manager. It's a big window coming up, we need to get it right with both incomings and outgoings. We can't force out another manager with complaints about style, when we haven't played the United way in about 10 years.

CaolƔn.

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21 May 2018 05:59:01
I am sorry but this is nonsense, the whole fergie didn't play the utd way in his last few years has been blown way out of proportion, in comparison to his best teams those years weren't great but somehow they weren't the utd way is bs.

Post ronaldo this is our league goals each season under fergie, 2009-10 - 86 goals, 2010-11 -78 goals, 2011-12 - 89 goals, 2012-13 - 86 goals. In comparison the so called great attacking Liverpool team this season has scored 84 goals. So except for the 10-11 season where rooney's injury in the second of the season screwed us a bit, we have scored an average 85 goals a season, if that isn't attacking football i don't know what is.

Barring Mourinho's madrid team which were the outlier his teams can only dream of consistently scoring 80 goals each season in the league, fact is his teams have never scored 80 goals in a season except for when he was managing madrid. So this mou's football is like fergie's is his last years nonsense needs to stop.

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21 May 2018 11:05:42
Csm, this post isnā€™t about saying we are playing exactly how Ferguson played in his last season. I hope it doesnā€™t come across that way.
The aim is to suggest that as a club we have lost our way and as a fan base have helped forced the clubā€™s hand (Ed002 was correct) due to the style of football. Yet the simple thing is we havenā€™t played the United way we all agree on in the best part of 10 years, and that even sir Alex put results above performance.

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21 May 2018 12:26:21
How exactly did SAF not play the utd way. After Ronaldo was sold likes of Cleverly, Smalling, welbeck all were given chances sadly none of them made it but kids were given chances to succeed, fergie never played for a draw, it is one thing to play on the counter that too 2-3 games a season and another to go to a game with the sole objective of getting a draw not even trying to win. Please show me a game where Ferguson setup the team like mourinho did at Anfield or at Etihad last season or Sevilla away.

You are saying we didn't play spectacular football in fergie's last few years and then calling it the non utd way, just because it wasn't as good as our peak doesn't mean it wasn't the utd way. what the grumpy one plays isn't the utd way don't compare those two is all I am saying.

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21 May 2018 12:30:56
The United way was largely about exciting wide players. Think Coppell or Hill. Giggs, Sharpe and Kanchelskis. Beckham. Ronaldo.

Who have we had like that post Ronaldo. Valencia in flashes, a declining Giggs. Mata in flashes. Martial in flashes.

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21 May 2018 08:10:19
Am going to take a stand and people may not agree.
Jose came out to say that he suspects Lukaku and Fel saving themselves for WC.
I would think there is some truth in it and I feel Jose has been ā€œtoo niceā€ to some of the players. He is not as hard hearted like SAF and push the players. I think Jose being nice is the reason why some of the key players are not giving their all. Protecting them and yet being screwed by them. Unlike the older players like Young and Valencia who though they are slower but still give their all ever game. Thatā€™s what make them worthy of wearing the United shirt. Matic played for Jose before and probably understands Jose best and is very committed.
Pogba, Lukaku, Fel all have their own personal objectives. Sanchez is new but still tries hard I can see. I feel he will come good next season. Herrera is committed and needs to be given more games.
Moving forward I think we need to seriously decide if the likes of Pogba and Martial is worthy of the United shirt. Sure I stand by that Jose have made mistakes but I do not think itā€™s anything major. He is not my best friend But he is our team manager and for that we need to support him, well at least for another year. We need to be rid of the bad influence from certain players and I think weā€™ll get back to a new United. We need to do this before the manager or any manager loses the dressing room.
There is no point we keep asking to sack the manager as it will bring us back to square one rebuilding. Can we afford another 5 years without the title. So what if we are the richest and biggest club in the world? I donā€™t want us to become a Liverpool of the last decade without winning anything. I also think a lot of people are not honest when they say theyā€™d rather we play entertaining football without winning the title. I know I will not be happy without the title even if we play entertaining. We are just too spoiled all those years. The road to success is a long and difficult one so I urge all to support the club and team (including the manager) . Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Look forward to the next season.

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21 May 2018 12:38:40
Until we bring in a right winger that will actually stay on the right we will always look unbalanced, we play Mata, Lingard, Rashford and Sanchez there over the season and all of them either drift in centre or go over to the left, we have become so predictable when attacking because the opposition know every attack will come down the left.

The right wing position for me is the most important one to fill for next season in my opinion and i welcome the talk of Willian coming to us as Jose can trust him to stay where he is supposed to.

When that is sorted i think we will look better, more balanced and our attacking pace will improve and we will play more like the United way that everyone is craving.

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21 May 2018 13:42:57
What about the performance in the Etihad in 2012 when Nani was playing well and got dropped for park who hadnā€™t played in weeks.
The football isnā€™t vintage this year, but the fact is we havenā€™t played great football in years. Maybe more players need to leave, but thereā€™s so much talk about the United way, but have we played phenomenal football in the last 7-8 years? I donā€™t think so.
Thereā€™s an entire improvement needed within the club, players need to go and certain players need to come. However if the only stick thatā€™s being used to beat Jose is the ooor football, we canā€™t celebrate if we win then because itā€™s not the United way.
Itā€™s not an easy fix, the clubā€™s only clear plan got ruined by the fans, and we shouldnā€™t ruin another plan that may well be in place.

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21 May 2018 13:47:09
Also CSM honestly Iā€™m not comparing them at all. Iā€™m just saying I feel the go to insult of any manager we have at the moment is about the football. Itā€™s what got rid of leg and cost us allegri. We either want success or we want to be spurs, but when the team is winning consistently the style comes. I just havenā€™t seen us play the way we all wish since 2009. Thatā€™s all Iā€™m saying.
So letā€™s get behind the manager and the club and try and rebuild this club to where it belongs!

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21 May 2018 14:22:19
Caolan
We want both why can a United team be successful and entertaining?
Why can't this present team with the players we have be more entertaining.

It's just excuse after excuse.

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21 May 2018 14:39:16
Most of us have short memories and are only very aware of the ā€˜right nowā€™. There was a lot of negativity about SAFā€™s last season even though we won the league. It was often painful and RVP regularly rescued us.

However, the key points by I think is that SAF and Jose are diametrically opposes when it comes to how to play the game. There was probably the odd game when a more pragmatic approach might have helped SAF but on the whole he knew how he wanted to play.

Take the start of the season, we were flying and next up weā€™re a dodgy Liverpool team who were yet to get into gear. SAF would have gone for it, Jose reverted to type and thatā€™s when it all started getting tedious.

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21 May 2018 14:40:02
Good post Caolan.

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21 May 2018 15:11:08
Caolan if we just drew that game we would have won the league so fergie went pragmatic, not Jose mourinho no one crosses the halfway line pragmatic just pragmatic and we lost. But again it is one thing to be pragmatic to get a result that gets you the title and another for it to be your template to football.

You are missing the big point when you say it is OK for us to play mourinho anti football because we haven't played great in a while, mourinho's football with 11 of his chosen players will never be more watchable than it is now.

Jose mourinho Will never play good football he has a history of dour unwatchable football, Chelsea, Porto, inter his teams were never known for entertainment and unlike those teams he hasn't won enough here to justify his football. Also what plan is this, we signed moyes, lvg and then jose, I don't see anything remotely resembling a plan here.

I respectfully disagree with what ed002 says. Lvg was sacked for his incompetence, barring martial none of his signings worked, even martial is about to go, that is after spending 250mn. Fans don't pick teams or set tactics or pick transfers. Why blame fans for the manager's failure, if he finished 4th do you think he would have been sacked because I don't think so. We had a wretched December that killed lvg fans weren't to blame for that either.

Also how much has mourinho actually improved us? You want him to continue rebuilding but right now his 2 cb signings can't dislodge Jones and Smalling. His 90mn signing is pissed off at him and might leave, he has bought a 29 year old whose signing has badly messed up our 22 year old attacker who until the signing was our 2nd best forward and for what, Sanchez is looking more and more like Rooney 2.0 on bigger wages. Add to that he wants to bring a 30 year old willian whose figures are worse than martial to chase his trophies, what happens when Mou leaves and utd are left with a bunch of oldies in team again having to go through a rebuild, I don't want us to be Liverpool but letting mourinho do his stuff will turn us into the next inter.

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21 May 2018 16:01:24
I havenā€™t said itā€™s okay once, I just think we need to be realistic about where we are. Iā€™m not saying Jose is as good as Sir Alex. What Iā€™m trying to say is, the stick thatā€™s always used to beat him, is style of play. I donā€™t think ya unfair to say we havenā€™t had a great team since 09 or even played great football since then.
Thereā€™s a reason we arenā€™t playing great football but itā€™s not just the manager. Look at the squad, thereā€™s no one in there who when things are getting tough look like digging in.
But to reiterate, we have been playing poor football for about 7-10 years. This isnā€™t anything new.
CaolƔn.

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21 May 2018 16:04:37
Also CSM I trust Ed002 opinion on this topic regarding lvgā€™s dismissal. In my opinion he is correct, but I get we donā€™t share the same one and I understand your point. But if all we as fans are going to do is cry and moan because we donā€™t play the same football as SAF did in our glory days, then Iā€™m sorry but itā€™s going to be a rough few years until we can get anywhere near that level.

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