Manchester United Banter Archive December 22 2012

 

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22 Dec 2012 23:24:49
You know I'm getting a bit pi33ed off with the BBC. Is it just me or are they completely dismissing anything United? For the last two weeks I have been able to watch both football focus and MOTD and FF said nothing about our Derby win and again nothing this week about the win last week, lots more about the Santa hat wearing neighbours I must say. MOTD all about how brill Citeh were in the second half (what?) nothing about how our tactics were very good. This week on MOTD. Logan says Norwich's record over the last ten games is only bettered by Barca, if she means ten games all in, maybe? But if she means league games then the BBC are seriously wrong.

Paranoid!

Dishforth Red

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23 Dec 2012 01:19:55
the best and indeed only response we have is to keep winning games and ultimately win the league. If we can manage both with style, flair, panache and goals galore so much the better.

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I won't lie..she can say whatever the hell she wants to... ;)

Andy!

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Was she speaking??

;-)

Jono

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22 Dec 2012 23:06:16
Anybody dissapointed we missed out on Lukaku? Playing very well this season. Also, don't give me none of this MOTD fever rubbish, he's got 6 goals this season so far, and they weren't all tonight on MOTD. I'd like to see Welbeck make the same strides but his goal to game ratio isn't too good, needs to be scoring more goals.

Kez.

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How the hell can you compare the 2 of them this year. Wellbeck isn't a regular and when he does play he is out on the wing. We have Rooney and RVP in case you arent aware. Wellbeck was good at Sunderland when he regularly played and was a striker. Baseless comparison

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He is so good that he's on loan!

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Chelsea have a shortage of strikers and they still loaned him out

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He's out on loan to get game time, he's not going to be selected above a player they paid £50 million for. And to first reply to my post no name, Welbeck had 6 goals in 28 apps for Sunderland ''when he regularly played and was a striker.'' which isn't good enough, Lukaku has 6 in 16, also, Welbeck was 20 when he was on loan, Lukaku is 19 and this is his first season on loan, so how is this a ''baseless'' comparison? IN FACT, I wasn't comparing the two in my first post I was just pointing out the fact that Lukaku is developing into a very good player at 19 years old and I would like another STRIKER that plays for us to be making the same strides! Thanks for reminding me we have Rooney and Robin van Persie playing for us, kinda forgot... Baseless comment. Haha.

Kez.

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David beckham went on loan to Preston, he didn't turn out too bad!
Nathan

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22 Dec 2012 21:20:15
I'm telling you, that Madrid team is not all it's cracked up to be. If Ronaldo is kept quiet, they are average.

G.A.G.U.S

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I fully expect that we will be in better form defensively by the time the tie comes round. On the flip side they might be in a better vein of form who knows. The tie for me depends on the Bernabau game.

Dishforth Red

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Ozil, Alonso, Marcelo, Ramos, Di Maria...five players that are miles ahead of any of the players we have in the same positions...i'm not saying we won't give them a game...but they aren't just about Ronaldo G.A.G.U.S...

Andy!

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Disagree Andy, we need to be careful about putting them on a pedestal. Yes they have good players but so do we. Match the following up against the players you mentioned:- Kagawa/ Anderson, Cleverley/ Carrick, Evra, Smalling, Valencia.
Ozil is good yeah but so is say Anderson. Alonso is good too but I think Clevz is better and potentially world class. Evra does make me nervous with his defending but going forward he's a threat. We will need a plan to cover for him. Smalling is at least as good as Ramos despite the greater profile of the latter and Valencia can be unplayable if he's fit and on form. We have a great keeper in DDG and a formidable strike force. If we can come out of the away leg in a reasonable position I fancy us at OT.
PerthDave

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Good job we're not playing top trumps with them eh Andy?! ;)

Seriously, we have a chance... A good chance of beating them.

Fergy will have to get his tactical brain ticking, he'll rise to the occasion. Games like this are the reason he is still going at his age

Di Maria & Ozil can be kept quiet. Ronny will be very dangerous. Alonso is excellent, but if you mark the runners his incredible passing is less effective. Ramos is a reasonable centre half, he should be terrified of facing us. (Although he will be dangerous at corners).


DodgyBanter

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22 Dec 2012 21:17:24
I have been reading a lot of rumours saying Ronaldo wants to leave and even though I don't think they are true I could see United making an enquiry about him in the summer if Real Madrid continue their run of form and drop out of a champions league. I know it is only a slim chance but I don't think it is impossible. Any thoughts Eds? {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

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22 Dec 2012 20:37:04
Malaga 3-1 up against madrid!

Caolán.

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22 Dec 2012 19:27:58
I thought the world actually would end before Downing scores!

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What about 30 million striker berba. (lol)

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What about his hatrick against liverpool?

Ste-Utd

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Ha best reply ive seen a while

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22 Dec 2012 19:14:25
Would Malaga qualify for champions league next year if they win it this year?

James

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Yes, even if they finish outside the top 4, same as Chelsea.

Mick

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No, they will not mate.

Sydney!

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Oh my bad, I forgot about their ban. My mistake. In that case, no they will not.

Mick

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If they don't pay off their football related debts by March 31st then they won't be in Europe at all.

TK-Red

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TK- they are already out for the first season after this that they qualify for Europe ( expires after 4 years).

If they don't pay by then they will get further sanctions.

Now if only FFP would start tackling clubs bank rolled by sugar daddies (who almost invariably obtained their wealth by privatising public resources)

DodgyBanter

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Guessing that means Isco is up for grabs then, do we have any interest?

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Bloody hope so! Rumours favour Citeh though.

DodgyBanter

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22 Dec 2012 19:07:40
Doubt Mourinho will even be there when the Champions league tie comes around dropping Casillas? no coming back from that

MANRED

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I posted the same the other day I think he could be gone v soon
Jred

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Part of Madrids problem is that the managers position is transitory. The manager doesn't have command like Ferguson does, so Mourinho is immediately at a disadvantage.

Mourinho has to contend with a Spanish clique in the dressing room working against him, Ferguson wouldn't just have dropped Casillas he would have sold him.

The manager needs control and backing from the board, you back your manager otherwise the players have control and that is what has happened at Madrid. Going back a year or two Raul and Guti had more control than the manager.

If Perez can see it he will empower Jose to sort it out, but more likely he will bow to the clique.

Separately Watch Ronaldo's body language he is not enjoying his football

Red Man

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Why would we want Mourinho though he has shown if he does not get his own way he make decisions which effect the dressing room and Ultimately on the pitch the team suffers,He has a inability to build a dynasty at a club he is a short term fix he has never stayed at a club longer then 3-4 years he wins and then he leaves

MANRED

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Red man
It's not part of the problem it's the whole problem ' the clubs a circus
Jred

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Manred
he either stands up to the dressing room and board or becomes a yes man.
i actual admire the fact he has stood up to them
jred

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Come on this is a personal thing him and Casillas do not see eye to eye this was not a footballing reasong for Casillas being dropped but more a message from Mourinho showing his ego,He cannot stay at a club longer then 4 years by that time either the player's board or fans get sick of him he is a short term fix for someone who wants success which fit him with PSG perfectly

MANRED

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Manred

Yeah you really seen the scenes of players rejoicing at the fact he moved on from Chelsea and Inter.

Oh wait a minute they were all emotional over the fact he was leaving in the way a loved and respected part of your life is taken away from you.

I'm sure the only person who was happy was mr A.

Jono

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Tell me a manager who would stop at madrid for 4 years or more.
i wonder if porto and inter would of liked him to stop more than 4 years or if chelsea regret him leaving.

of course it was personal dropping casillas he should of dropped ramos weeks ago
jred

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Jose is 16 points behind a fully refreshed Barcelona before Christmas and people are blaming Real Madrid for being a circus. The manager is responsible for where the club is currently at and if he is sacked it's because HE has failed.

Sydney!

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Sydney

If Mourinho had the same level of control as our manager and could deal with those who are working against him as Ferguson would then Madrid would be far better able to cope with Barcelona.

Madrid has been a circus for years which is why they have no consistency. Ferguson wouldn't do any better in the circus that is Madrid, I think a lot of people forget how long it took our manager to get it right , yet criticise Mourinho for not making Madrid being world beaters years quicker than Ferguson

Sydney you have nailed your colours to the mast with an obvious anti Mourinho stance but in my opinion he is by some distance the best option to be our next manager

Red Man

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Red Man, WHY would he be any better if he had full control? How could you know that? What would be any different?

I am not anti-Mourinho in the slightest, I just do not have my nose up his arse like some on here. I think his time at RM has been a failure.

Sydney!

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22 Dec 2012 18:43:46
GUISE, THIS IS NOT A PRACTICE DRILL. I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A PRACTICE DRILL. STEWART DOWNING HAS SCORED A GOAL AND MADE AN ASSIT. I REPEAT, STEWART DOWNING HAS FINALLY MADE AN ASSIST AND IT TOOK HIM 45 MATCHES! IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!


Oh and also, prepare for the Liverpool fans to raid on this website.

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Can u imagine a lpool fan going like 'he scores when he wants' my goodness de imptus

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Correcting my own mistakes . .guys* assist**

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Fulham are a strange bunch, at home they are very strong, away they are p1ss poor.

Sydney!

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22 Dec 2012 18:39:41
Downing scores. I repeat, Downing scores.

Mick

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22 Dec 2012 17:34:04
reports Ferdinand is being offered an extension. Although out of the older guard he is still the one that can compete, but quite worrying if true given the managers others comments about Giggs and Scholes.

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It is no secret that the club want to extend Rio's contract by one more year. He will have to take a pay-cut as he will be used more sparingly next season.

Sydney!

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They will probably offer Giggs and Scholes new contracts also. I'm sure Fergie sees them as instrumental in bringing along the newer and younger players and teaching them what it means to be a United player

I do feel Scholes will retire bc he's not playing much. Giggs may decide the same. They will probably stay on if they accept that they won't play much and bc Fergie asks them to. If Fergie retires after this season all three will definitely leave.

KB

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22 Dec 2012 18:25:07
how much of a pay cut do you reckon syd?

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It will not be public knowledge just like Giggs' and Scholes' pay-cut wasn't public knowledge. £60k a week maybe. I heard a rumour that Scholes and Giggs are on even less.

Sydney!

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Who did you hear a rumour off

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Even at a reduced salary, what is the point. If they do more harm to the balance and performance of the team when on the pitch then why sign them to an extension.

We look like rubbish defensively against second tier teams when they are on (scholes, giggs).



Shahram

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No one worth mentioning, it may not even be true.

Sydney!

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22 Dec 2012 17:04:08
reading were so so close to getting a point.. and taking 2 off of city... that would have been a great start to the festive fixtures for us...

still city have managed to do what all great teams do and then is keep going to the very end...

need to make sure we put in a good performance tomorrow and come away with the 3 points... we then have 2 games at home and they have 2 away... and we can see where we are then

Oxred

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Have you seen the goal. Gareth Barry was all over the defender. Shocking decision

Nozzla

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22 Dec 2012 18:15:36
and the penalty reading should have had.

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Barry's goal could have been called a foul. City deserved all 3 points to be honest. Reading 's inability to hold the ball did them in. The gulf in quality btw both sides was just too big.

KB

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22 Dec 2012 19:35:18
KB things is if we had been in that game, struggled to score and sneaked it in the 93rd all we would get from the media is the same old "flukey United" rubbish and "United struggle against Reading" headlines. Instead all City are getting is "resiliant City show stuff of champions" the media bias is really quite ridiculous.

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22 Dec 2012 17:03:49
I hate Gareth Barry.

SK

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22 Dec 2012 16:55:32
Once again Shi*** get help from the refs, how was that not a foul by Barry {Ed004's Note - My first thought was that he was climbing but the player made no attempt to jump so I don't think it was a foul...}

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After I saw the replay I agree with you, the defender stood still.

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City get help from refs. How's that, fergie picks your refs from his friends list. I am a Chelsea fan, remember, chicaritos offside goal at the bridge. Steve wonder knew that was offside. When fergie retires you lot won't have refs on your side and it will be a level playing ground. Help from refs, i take it your smoking the green stuff?

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22 Dec 2012 16:44:47
I've just read that if Real Madrid qualify for Copa Del Rey Semis, they will play these matches in a row: Barca, United, Barca, United, Barca. Quite a testing program wouldn't you agree?

TK-Red

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Which of those barca games is the league game ?

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22 Dec 2012 17:16:27
Well they got the 2 games in between where they can rest their best players so shouldn't be to bad for the big ones against Barcelona. Lucky really but that's Real for ya.

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22 Dec 2012 15:38:35
Any one think El Shaarawy is worth buying, arsenal are interested and he's the top goal scorer in Serie A and at only 19 he's got time to adapted to the prem. Plus AC need the money as they are trying to sell the club.

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22 Dec 2012 16:06:08
nowhere near good enough. Its a mark of how bad milan have become, he wouldn't have got near previous milan teams.

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He's 19, a very good young player, the italians rate him highly, i like how people say not good enough and i bet they haven't seen him once.

JK92

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Absolutely right. He is only scoring goals because the Milan team is bad.

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So scoring in a team full of world stars means you're a good player but scoring for a team that isn't good makes you crap... good logic there...

JK92

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A 19 year old wide player who already has 14 goals in serie A this season ( leading the charts ), and is single handedly keeping Milan close to european football is, according to unnamed, " nowhere near good enough ". Fu** logic.

Mick

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22 Dec 2012 18:22:12
the second no name is different to me. All i'm saying is he is over rated. Serie a isn't what it was compared to 15-20 years ago and he wouldn't have got into any of the milan teams of that period. He'd have got nowhere near the milan '94 side one the best teams ever. He might have made the bench in the milan '03 side.

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22 Dec 2012 18:50:05
i agree he us a talent jst 19 wuld improve for sure wit better playet around wuld mt mind if we were to sign him but there are better options

vishu red devil

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THE second noname was being sarcastic

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22 Dec 2012 20:12:13
sorry for the spelling mistakes on the previous post cant w8 for the game

vishu red devil

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22 Dec 2012 14:57:41
Malaga v Real Madrid

I'm eager to see how Isco does against Real!


Red Samurai

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Talk about Malaga and Isco!! I hope Roque turns Isco's head away from City and to us!!!


Red Samurai

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22 Dec 2012 14:44:34
I hope someone at the club is strong enough to say to Fergie when he retires, "Thank you very much Alex goodbye". The biggest mistake we will ever make is to let him hang around the club casting a giant shadow over the next manager. I personally don't think Fergie's ego will let him walk away and he will want some kind of job upstairs. This will be an absolute disaster. Plus there is the matter of the Press. Fergie realises that when he leaves United he loses his power over the press and there are quite a few stories that may come out that will not paint the Glasgow Knight in such a favourable light. At the moment he can ban any member of the press for ages from OT and Carrington which renders you useless as a sports journalist but when he no longer holds that power? I have spoken to several Journalists who have some very interesting stories to tell and are just biding their time. Then again you know that I am convinced Moyes will get the job and Alex will sit upstairs still pulling the strings. I AM KLOOT

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I think you are paranoid mate, SAF has said before that when he leaves the club he will leave in all capacity. The editor has already told us that the two names being bandied about within OT is Pep Guardiola and Larry White. I imagine a Jose is the wildcard, not Moyes.

Sydney!

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Hey syd whos Larry White?

I googled and all the results were of a baseball player.

MUMBAI_BOY {Ed007's Note - Laurent Blanc.}

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Sydney wait and see.I AM KLOOT

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22 Dec 2012 14:35:08
I am sorry but I will be the one to say it. Has Fergie completely lost his marbles? When he says that Giggs can play on for another 2 years you start to believe that he has gone nuts. Giggs and Scholes were both finished 2 years ago and every time they come onto the pitch they detract from the team not add to it. Gary Neville knew it was time I just wish he would have a word before any further damage is done to their legacy. I AM KLOOT

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KLOOT I agree with everything you said!, Sunderland was a prime example they both came on and dulled the game we lost all momentum there was no drive like the first half apart from the capital one cup game against Chelsea giggs has done nothing this season and keeping them two on for another season let alone two will just hamper the progress of the youth and probably stop fergie from buying a midfielder again


Munkydunc

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The 'Giggs for 2 years' is a particularly strange comment, he actually said he expects that to happen! I honestly wouldn't mind them being in the squad but not at the expense of Fletcher, Powell and some youngster's getting game time - like happened against Sunderland. Personally I think Scholes is useful as a 3rd/4th choice midfielder but Giggs should have retired by now. I agree, Gary Neville left with dignity IMO and just look how succesful he is already in the next stage of his career. Perhaps a lesson to be learnt by our other ledgends?

Gav

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Well he said today that he miht play gigs against Ronaldo for the madrid tie as giggs knows him really well. Very strange stuff, either he means it which to me is he has lost his marbles or if he does not what is the point of saying this stuff.

Shahram

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He is protecting Giggs from the lambasting him and Scholes are getting from United fans and other critics. There has been a lot of pressure put on him recently about why he keeps giving the old guard games ahead of others. The manager is protecting his players and even though I agree with the criticism, I also agree with the manager for protecting them as a collapse in team morale could ruin our season. Saying Giggs may play against Ronaldo is saying he still has the confidence in him to play in the big games. I wouldn't worry as Giggs will not play in that game unless half the squad get flu.

Sydney!

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22 Dec 2012 13:56:28
LOL at Wigan fans singing " OH Robin Van Persie " against arsenal !

Mick

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22 Dec 2012 13:47:06
Hope you lot are ready for Swansea.

They will play you off the park.

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Why is everyone obsessed with United? So much jelousy, and for the fact you said 'they' you're not a Swansea supporter. W

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Swansea play good football and are a threat at home TBF. 3 points would be massive for United with City playing Reading at home. It will be a tough match but I hopefully Rooney, RVP & co. can make the difference.

Gav

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At least be proud and leave the team you support or your name so we can prove you wrong and expose you to ridicule. The fact is that we are the best team in england(and possibly Great Britain as well) and whoever you support, we are at least 6 points above you in the league.
Campian

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22 Dec 2012 12:25:18
Interesting to hear Mark Lawrenson's view on football focus about the United v Real tie, Saying that the match could be a job interview for a certain Mr Mourinho! Opinions? TomJP

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I damn we'll hope so.
Nov00

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Sorry about the we'll, should be well, damn apple autocorrect!
Nov00

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22 Dec 2012 11:40:02
I kno swap deals are rare among top clubs.
But some local news in italy says inter are interested in nani.. And they are willing to offer 5m+ snijder for his services.
Snijder is ready to take thw pay cut to revieve his career and name as a top player.

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WS to PSG I think.

Jono

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Yay, a player who's over the hill and 5 million (less than we paid for Bebe), where could we go wrong?

Percy

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Please explain ur calculation percy..

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22 Dec 2012 16:14:22
basically he's past it. Washed up. Over the hill. Yesterdays news.

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No name

"snijder is past it and washed up", you are a tool. 6 months ago the best dutch player on the field at the euros including RVP.

Shahram

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I am sure that if Sneijder loses his greedy demands he could be a United player and the successor to Scholes, but something tells me he will continue to be difficult.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - But Syd were will he play. He isn't good enough to push Rooney out. Kagawa suits our style of play better and at Sneijder's age I can't see him adapting to be a deep lying playmaker as he is not one to get stuck in and tackle which will be required. He is also very injury prone}

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22 Dec 2012 18:39:39
now now shahram having to resort to personal insults shows your losing the argument. Ok i'll agree he was the best dutch player at the euro's. The same dutch side which was one of the worst i've ever seen at a tournament. He had a couple of flashes sure but nothing i'd pay the kind of money him and inter were after. I'm against his signing as he's injury prone, we don't need him, and i don't like the way he's disrespected us in the past using us to screw inter for better contracts then asking for stupid money to come us. I'm sure the manager hasn't forgotten it either.

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004, Sneijder is not on my wishlist, but I think he would have no problem replacing Scholes playing as a deep playmaker. I do not think we will pay what we were willing to pay for him, but if he was available on the cheap and he was realistic with his wage demands I think the club may consider a move. After all Scholes still needs replacing.

Sydney!

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22 Dec 2012 09:14:03
a quick question eds
when AC milan were drawn in the champions league draw then only barcelona was the only option available to them even though PSG was was also available
PSG and AC milan were not even in the same group nor from same association.....................then y werent they could be paired 2gether??? {Ed002's Note - I suspect it was to do with the number of Spanish clubs left.}

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22 Dec 2012 09:11:49
I think it's clear Carrick is not world class. But individuals who think he's rubbish or in this case 'pointless' knows little about football
KP

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- Can you define World class?

Mike

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I think world class is used to much, some world class players are Ronaldo, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Ribery, RVP, Rooney?, David Silva, world class should be a stsatus given to a player who can change a game, take the game by the scruff of it's neck and dictate it. Carrick is a good all round player, but not world class.

-JakeW

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I am not sure Ribery or Silva should be in that category if Rooney has a question mark.

Sydney!

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Best I have seen world class to be described is a player that would get into any side in the world

Pardoe

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Ribery is vastly overrated IMO.

TK-Red

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IMO a world class player is One that is in the top 2 of his position in the world.

The Moon.

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Agree with KP. And just to add to that, he is currently our most complete and consistant CM'er

Gav

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Yeah Sydney, I was just picking some names from the top of my head, i guess i shouldn't have added Ribery but i was trying to get some big names in there, a lot of people do say Rooney is overated.

We do get a lot of fans saying their players are world class like Liverpool say Suarez is, Spurs would say Bale is etc. I guess there are only 4 real world class players, Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta.

-JakeW

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Jake, how about Falcao, RVP, Rooney and Hummels? Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure, Pirlo, Silva, Aguero, Ibrahimovic and Lahm ? Each one of them would argubly get into any team in the world and improve it, while also beeing one of the best in their respective positions.

Mick

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Good point Mick, what I am trying to get across is that there are few "world class" players out there and players like Carrick are not one of them.

-JakeW

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22 Dec 2012 00:08:54
Would have been really funny if Sir Alex wasn't joking about our contract with madrid states that Ronaldo cannot play against us

James

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21 Dec 2012 23:47:29
fergy asked if Ronaldo might come back and play for United, Ferguson said: "I don't see that. I'd love to see that but it's fanciful thinking really. First of all, how much it would take to get him from Real Madrid? And second, I don't think there's any chance they would want to sell him.

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So Fergy asked the question, and ferguson answered it? Are they two different people, or has fergie lost the plot?

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