Manchester United Banter Archive February 22 2013

22 Feb 2013 23:29:14
Sydney! And Chris

Talking of winning mentalities and your new found love RVP, He would be RVP the bottler, you know the same one who missed that sitter in the game against Milan, the same one who bottled it against Birmingham in the final and got subbed off for Bendtner and who the media have said about him this week, will Utd regret his missed chance against Madrid. Like in the euro's with Holland.
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Stoner would that be the same rvp that scored winners against city, and liverpool not to mention the same one who scored against u when getting dogs abuse?
But hey if you say he is then it shouldn't take too lng to coach the arsenal way out of him i'd say, the winner against madrid mite help u think?

23 Feb 2013 08:08:17
It sure would Chris, but I like to banter with you guys and I only point out his misses but they do show his current big game mentality. Of course he can change, I just like to, you know give you something to think about, probably a bit like he is, thinking how did I miss that.

22 Feb 2013 21:04:45
How's everyone feeling about tomorrow?
Many are feeling quite confident, just hope That the prospect of going 15 pts up doesn't go To the players heads, we can't underestimate qpr, although there having a poor season, they could pull of a shock if we're not at our best
Chelsea springs to mind.

TRUMORS

Agree with that TRUMOURS, they could bully our midfield, and if their players click they are far better than their league position.

No excuses though, this isn't Liverpool where you get in early and claim that the Europa league is tougher than the Champs league, we have to beat teams like QPR if we want to win the league.

I'm confident we will.

I think it will be a very tough game and if end up with a draw it will not surprise me. We always seem to struggle against lower teams as they make it very difficult and are up for it.

I am not too worried as Mancini can say all he wants but City will also be dropping points here an there and have some tough fixtures coming up. The Derby in April will be a big game and a win for us will probably kill the league, until then it is about maintaining a gap that is comfortable 8 to 12 points is always very comfortable.

Shahram

22 Feb 2013 19:56:13
I've got a feeling if we at least do a double this season. The Title plus FA or even better Europe we will be shocked in the summer. Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves & Tevez kind of wow factor signings. I'm not quite sure who we're signing but they'll be either big or potential stars.

It's ironic, I'm sure Nani & Anderson will be moved to free up some cash for these big buys. It's no secret that Scholes & Giggs plus Fletcher, Rio & Evra will need replacing either next season or at least next January. Even Lindegaard if he's just stuck on the bench all the time.

Fergie praised Owen & Berbatov. Bugged them up & off they went. I feel the same will happen to Ando & Nani.

Obviously Powell & Petrucci maybe sent on a Premiership loan along with the Keane twins & Henriquez. It'll be bye, Bye Bebe & Macheda.

Strootman seems to be on the cards. A good addition to the team & can replace an unfortunate Fletcher or an unfit Anderson incapable of completing 90mins. Kagawa will be a lot better next season. Like a young Scholes. Popping up in the box late and hitting double figures. let's hope Zaha hits the ground running & at least contributes.

Anderson 10m
Nani 15m
Bebe 2m
Macheda 2m
Wootton
Brown
Veseli

About 30m raised plus 50m already in the pot.
I can see a 70m smash & grab on players we need.

Some people might just say buy Ronaldo. A bad tackle & that's 70m down the drain.

What to do with 70m

TJ

22 Feb 2013 21:13:48
i'd agree with those outs. Macheda isn't good enough. Anderson and Nani have ran out of chances. Scholes and possibly Fletcher could retire. Some of the kids who won't make it. Strootman seems to be a cert. I wouldn't mind another centre mid in as well though if we do lose Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson. Not sure on wanyama would prefer a modric or cabaye type. Another winger would be good as zaha is a kid, young is injury prone and valencia way off form. Think we'll leave Evra, rio and Giggs till next summer. Mort

22 Feb 2013 17:32:04
When Rooney came back after his hair transplant he was like a new man and his form improved massively. Maybe he should trim his b*****ks again and wear a Alice band, he will smash in 30 goals next season!

Only joking, I love Rooney and no matter what think he shouldn't! Be sold!

IHaveNoName!

Rooney hands down should be sold in the summer, his age and form aren't helping him and his contract situation. We will get £40ish million for him minimum and should be reinvesting that in 2 or 3 quality players like Goetze, Rodriguez and Baines.

22 Feb 2013 10:27:37
Hi all,

The Daily Star are reporting we are working on a deal to bring Ronni back. Don't shoot the messenger, before you read it. The guy who wrote was on a web site this morning sounded quite convincing. What he writes is also quiet feasible. Anyway happy reading and heres to hoping.

Treble1999

Yeah I read that to, also seen that united will ask chevrolet to appoint ronaldo as the ambassador.

ed, would real sell ronaldo to us for 55m and would Chevrolet be able to help us get him?

The Chevrolet deal has been finalised, they would not be able to help with bringing Ronaldo back unless the current deal was binned and they start negotiating again. Nike could in theory help, but wouldn't the club prefer to make more sponsorship money? I just think it's all fantasy, would love to be wrong mind.

Sydney!

£55m may well be achievable, but there is no way the club would pay £87m for him. I cannot see why RM would accept just £55m for him therefore I do not believe it. Anzhi were willing to spend £300m+ on Messi, so why would RM accept anything less than his 100m euro release clause?

Sydney!

Its perfectly plausible that Chevrolet, working in conjunction with United, could strike an agreement with the Ronaldo camp directly that wouldn't have anything to do with our own agreement with them.

TK-Red

Wel syd is it not a case of him running his contract down personally can't see a sponsor helpin the deal for any reason but if he has a year or so left won't sign a new contract an won't agree terms wit another team other than us then is the ball not in our park. I think 55mill pound which is 60 odd million euros is not a bad deal they get most of the cash back we get CR7 back an there club would free up a lot of funds. RVP rings a bell a year on his contract wouldn sign a new one an wouldn agree term wit another team leavin arsenal wit two options sell him now to his preferred choice for a good fee or let him run the contract down an he will move for nothin to the same team who offered to buy him the year before. Ronnie wants the move no question an I think he will be fergies son again before the start of next season. Could be funny the two best signings fergie makes could be the same player. Apart from keane of course. An Luke Chadwick

CAIN

Cain, all these stories have come from the Daily Star, when they start coming from more legitimate sources I will start to believe, until then it will go over my head ;)

Sydney!

Syd, its not that difficult to understand why Madrid would accept £55 million. Firstly, players like Falcao are going for £40 million, so how can you say Ronaldo is twice the price even though Falcao is keeping up with him in terms of goals. Secondly, Madrid need to get some money back for him while he still has a good value, when he has one year left then he would be very cheap. Thirdly, if Ronaldo wants to come here then they have to accept it if they intend to let him go - even if Anzhi put £300 million on the table for Ronaldo and he didn't want to go then what use is that.

Fresh!

Fresh, I'm not convinced my friend.

Sydney!

22 Feb 2013 09:37:49
Can I just say a big thank you to King Brenny and Liverpool FC you really are the gift that keeps giving. Once again Liverpool lose and Brenny comes out with his classic outstanding performance. The date is Feb 22ND and their season has finished completely yet he is still talking as if they are a big club challenging for trophies. I thought it couldn't get any better on that fly on the wall documentary where he tried to do the snide Fergie thing with his list of players and of course my favourite the massive portrait of himself in his house. They are a marriage made in heaven and long may they continue. Every day if I am feeling a little down or sad I just think of Liverpool and King Brenny and smile. Thank you

Lol this bloke is amazing, jusy recycles the same junk wether they win lose or draw! Players were terrific etc. Long live brenton Rodgers
Chris the REDman

It is beyond a joke. Every game no matter what result he churns out the same junk. They were outstanding, we are Liverpool and the best. They have one special player aka Ratface, then an over the hill player who can perform every so often in Gerrard then every one else are okay mid table to top 6 or 7 players. It makes me laugh.

Well I'll say it even if nobody else will. You have to give credit to the way they responded yesterday. By the time they got the 3rd goal I don't think anyone thought they wouldn't get a 4th. Regardless of them playing like a bag sh!t for most of the season, you have to give them credit for the spirit they showed to get back into the tie after a mistake, albeit fantastically satisfying one, by Carragher.

TK-Red

If I heard the manager say we'd had a 'near perfect' performance in the away leg and an 'outstanding performance' in the home leg, I'd have thought we would have, you know, WON the tie.

TommyH

BR is a PR robot. FSG install a chip into the back of his neck where they control what he says.

Two equally poor sides battling it out last night, this is a tie they should have won home and away.

Other than Hulk and Witsel the team is full of average Joes. You can see why SAF wanted Witsel.

Sydney!

Sydney!

Really? I can't see why we wanted Witsel (on the strength of that match, anyway). He looked no better than Allen, Henderson, Shelvey etc. to me.

TommyH {Ed004's Note - Considering the players Witsel was playing with he looked decent. However, I think it is impossible to judge him while he is playing with Zenit. Your best bet of trying to form a solid opinion on the player is probably be watching him with his national side were he will be playing with players of good ability.}

You're doing a bit of a disservice to Zenit Syd. They may not be full of world class players but to call a team of full internationals average joes is harsh.

TK-Red

What Zenit done is they splashed their cash on a couple top quality players to mix with the average players they already had at the club. They could have and should have spent their money more wisely. Take Hulk and Witsel out of their first team an they are average. They are average with Hulk and Witsel IMO.

Sydney!

Not at all TK they are a very poor side as are Anzhi. Just because they have internationals in their side doesn't mean they're very good ones. On that basis then why don't we sign Kevin Davies and Paul Konchesky along with James McFadden and Kris Commons.

Witsel would have been a great buy, but the price he went for was ludicrous.

Witsel looked very comfortable on the ball every time he was in possession. He has what Carrick has plus much much more talent. I can see exactly why we went for him, in a top team he would be special. Not £33m special mind ;)

Sydney!

Witsel has much more talent than Carrick, are you joking syd I would have Carrick over witsel any day of the week

That is such a weak argument to talk about people like Konchesky and McFadden. Zenit, aswell as Hulk and Witzel, have Portuguese players Danny and Bruno Alves who are certainly no average Joes, a Belgian international in Lombaerts (unless you're going to tell me that Belgium are average now aswell) a young Italian who was in their Euro 2012 squad until the max fixing investigations started and then a host of Russians whom have over 400 international caps between them. Like I said, they may not be a team of Messis and Ronaldos but they certainly aren't average or comparable to Paul Bloody Konchesky.

TK-Red

TK - Fair enough they are not Konchesky's but they are not exactly top talents. Behind Hulk and Witsel none of there players are very good Danny and Alves are ageing and are decent at best then the Russian internationals are very poor just because they have loads of caps doesn't make them good players.

Danny and Alves are 29 and 31 respectively but that's irrelevant to this conversation, they are still good players. The Russians record over recent years would suggest they are anything but very poor. I never said Zenit were "top talents" but they have earned the right to not be labelled average joes. That is my main point.

TK-Red

22 Feb 2013 08:02:21
The boy ronaldo is back in the press again linked with r great club 55 million in the summer it seems there sayin and fergie has been working on that deal from october is this realy possible that he will cum home. I no its turnin into like the time he wuz going to madrid will he won't he saga. But like to get sum light shed on it ed! P. o. h

It's in the daily star.

22 Feb 2013 00:08:14
Anyone see Fergie's comments regarding Nani, he wants him to stay because he's a match winner. Do you think this is just to increase his price before he leaves? I'd rather get rid of young and valencia.

Sulei

Yeah!
It's the old praise & raise routine.
Raise awareness he could be sold & raise the price.
TJ

It would be hard to understand offering Nani a new contract based on a few minutes of decent play when he has done little else for some considerable time. It could well be to increase or more likely maintain his price to the summer.

However could it be the change of CEO, Gill more amenable to funding a replacement and the new CEO not as convinced? Has the change at the top of the finance tree left Fergie a little exposed? This is speculation but may also explain the slight shift in position because there is no way at all that Nani has earned anything other than the sight of the exit door

Fergie stated 'Nani wants first team football, he will get it if he performs, he's one of the best on his day' which imo you can't argue with, on his day Nani is up there with the best but unfort these performances are few and far between, if he can put a bit of consistency in his game he might sign a new deal

Well I think most fans think that Nani is surplus to requirements and it is a praise and raise on Fergie's part but at the end of the day it a guess on our part.

One of the only ways that I see him staying is if Ronaldo rejoins. Some say that we will definatley sell him, however he plays his best football when Ronaldo is around. A front 4 or Ronaldo, RVP, Rooney and Nani would be extremly effective. If Nani could bottle his form against Reading, then I would much rather we sell Valencia. We can't get too much from one performance, he has been useless this season - however he has carried our team when Rooney was injured a couple of years ago. He has it in him and his performances in these last few games will be crucial to whether he stays or not.

Fresh!