Manchester United Banter Archive July 22 2013

22 Jul 2013 23:10:07
Oh no, after promising myself for weeks, and stopping myself getting involved and reading them, I've done the horrible thing of getting my hopes up over a transfer.

Pray for me.

22 Jul 2013 22:55:15
Come on United offer Barca 38m and
Cesc will come or 39. 5 and Anderson

What 39.5 million and anderson if we are going to part exchange players and money for cesc will offer less cash not more Moyes2013

I like anderson, but that was funny. Well played.

22 Jul 2013 22:05:17
It's just been reported on the tv that Barcelona have again reiterated that Febregas is not for sale and the word is that the bid has been turned down.
I think United would be wasting there time with another bid however I personally think that they will now turn to another target.
God knows who?

Simmo

22 Jul 2013 21:36:08
If we're going to bid £40 for Fabregas, as is being suggested, wouldn't it be worth bidding £35 for Gundogan and see what Dortmund say?

Hypothetically, if you could have either player for £40, which would you chose?

TS87 {Ed004's Note - Gundogan}

Forgot to say I would go with Gundogan if given the option.

TS87

I'd give Moyes the £40 myself if it meant getting one of them two.

£40. That's less than the new Fifa will cost!

In all seriousness - Fabregas. Gundogan is not worth £40m (not that Fabregas is) - but if we're forced to spend big to bring one of them in I'd only choose Gundogan if he cost us £5m less than Fabregas.

redseven

Wow wot a toughie! i'd plump for cesc only on PL experience

If we were to pay 40 mill, Vidal would go for less than that and I would rather have him.

Shahram

22 Jul 2013 20:54:45
Fantasy football code please anyone?

15522-6942

TK-Red

GAGUS

Whats your code for your league mate? I am in TK's league

22 Jul 2013 20:35:25
A lot of people seem to think our team is worse than all the others what planet are you from? Without wanting to repeat myself again we walked the league with the same players who have all had another years experience. Which other team has as many options? Just looking at our wide players.

Young - not seen him have a bad game yet, unlucky with injuries
Valencia - player of the year 2012 lacked form and fitness
Nani - very skilfully and still not realised potential maybe new manager might do this
Zaha - championship player of the year, looks great prospect.
Welbeck - played brilliantly in Europe still learning, great potential

All help out the midfielders and defenders who are also great wide players going forward. No other squad in the premiership has as many. The defence has as many options and so does the forward line.
All the carping seems to be about our centre two,
Carrick - player of the year. This leaves us with finding perhaps one more big player to fill scholes gap (he who hardly played the last two seasons!).
Cleverly - still learning maybe not the best at finding that incisive pass but great engine and little spoiler who compliments the others. Giggs still worth a few games more. I admit I don't like Anderson just can't do it regularly but when you add all the new younger talent coming through - Powell, janusev?, we are still in strong position.
Also last bit, we have a style and play that suits us whilst the challengers have to sort out how to fit in their new players.

Are you serious? You haven't seen young have a bad game?!

Sorry mate but got to disagree with Young never had a bad game, he goes down so easy its a wonder he's not got a cauliflower arse. Welbeck is promising but needs to learn how to finish. Nani can be amazing at times but unfortunately not enough times, he has had more than enough chances in my opinion. MIDDLETON RED

Meanwhile, back in the real world.

Young is poor against the top teams and is very predictable and cuts in on his right foot every time. A squad player but we definitely need another top winger unless we play 4321 or something similar

Mad Hatter

Is the Premiership the only competition were in each year? NO.

Is our team and midfield in particular good enough to with the Champions League? NO

Would cleverly, giggs, Anderson, carrick, fletcher or Powell get into a Madrid, Munich, Barca, Chelsea or City midfield? NO

Therefore stop wearing your united goggles and open your eyes to reality, we need to add WC players to compete

Alex Fergusons Condom

What planet are you on?

The team is a shadow of previous teams and for various reasons can't compete against many of the big boys.

Its an above average team at best, that lacks a midfield and owned a lot to the work of Sir fergie and his back room team for winning what they did last year.

You lost me at 'never seen young have a bad game'.

Chelsea and City have stronger starting 11's and stronger squads than us as it stands. Rooney leaving for Chelsea will only increase the gap with signings like Baines and Fellaini doing little to bridge it. Arsenal and Spurs both have stronger midfields than us too!

redseven

AFC

Didn't we out-compete City and Chelsea last season? And give Madrid one hell of a game over 2 legs - that without Nani's red card we'd have probably won?

I think Carrick would get in both Chelsea and City's teams, and wouldn't be far away from Munich's. He wouldn't get near the Barce team to be fair. I agree on the others (although I think Powell will get there) and I agree we need to reinforce the midfield, but the grass isn't always as green on the other side as most here want to paint it.

Mate your telling me you think Carrick would get into Munichs team? Where? Instead of who?

We lost to Chelsea twice last season and lost to city at home towards the end of the season.

Although we did ok against Madrid we were outplayed for much of the first leg, although we did a decent job second leg. But we would of been crushed again by barca or buyern! Remember the two CL finals v barca? We got murdered in midfield mate

Alex Fergusons Condom

I loved the part where Young never had a bad game. That's like saying you never saw Anderson get tired during a game.

Yes I can just see fergie in his below the knee shorts running out.
You don't need silly marquee players or having a 'project'. As for champions league we were winning until Nani got sent off so not too far away.
I suppose the citeh players are all worth their fees sorry if I've never heard of them before!
Anyway got everyone away from talking about cesc so I achieved something - CALM DOWN CAPTAIN MANNERING!

I thought Young never having had a bad game was going to be the highlight of this thread. The notion that 'Carrick wouldn't be far away from Munich's (team)' tops it, however.

What next? Cleverley a candidate for the Ballon D'or? Büttner being the signing of the season? David Moyes being the best man for the job?

Oh wait : (

redseven

Before you respond to my post, perhaps you could all take the time to read it properly. I didn't say Carrick would get into the Munich team. I said he wouldn't be far from it. He wouldn't replace Schweinsteiger or Martinez in the middle, but he was - on last season's performances - a better performer than their "change" players like Gustavo and Alaba.

I agree about 1 of the CL finals versus Barce - the 2nd one - but I don't think anyone ever could have lived with them that night. We were really hampered in the 1st one because Ronaldo was miles off his game. I think that game is harder to judge. We were outplayed for much of the first half of the first leg in Madrid but - other than 10 minutes after the Nani sending off - we comprehensively outplayed them at Old Trafford. That's what European football's like. We played Chelsea 5 times - won 1, drew 1, lost 3 - but you can discount one of the losses when their first team played our reserves in the League Cup, and even the FA Cup results were skewed by that factor. We played City twice - won 1, lost 1. Hardly a terrible record against top sides in the league though - 2 wins, 2 defeats.

I know that some of that - particularly the City win - is papering over cracks. We need reinforcements in midfield. But things aren't as black as many in here are painting them, is all I'm saying.

23 Jul 2013 08:00:22
Gave up after the Young comment, nowhere near United quality and never will be.

Gadfly. you should read before you submit anything. You lost me like you did all the others here.
DarkLard08, I loved your previous post, but I'm with AFC on this one. we can't be looking at couple of games and thinking we did alright, can we? Also Bayern wouldn't want Carrick, perhaps for sub, but not for the starting XI. You are comparing against Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Alcantara. Some might choose Carrick, but majority won't. Yet in Utd, he is vital. It's not due to the tactical difference. Sadly and simply, it's the difference in quality of squads.
We have been in the easiest groups for past couple of years, yet struggled madly in group stage (and got dropped out to Europa and failed there too! Madness!). When we were European Champion, just remember how strong and brutal we were. Still remember 7:1 against Roma in Champions League. Now that's what we supporters want to see again and remember as a Utd class. I fully support the team and the manager, but it's natural to feel the frustration over our quality of squads than trying to live in a dream imho.
RumourNo. 1

22 Jul 2013 20:19:58
One of the things that confuses me a little about a lot of the negative posters on here (you know, we never make big signings, we might as well give up now, we're going to get relegated) is that they're kind of ignoring the fact that we don't have a history of making marquee signings, particularly from abroad.

Most of the great players we've signed have been making their first big step up (Ronaldo, Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Keane, Schmeichel, even back to Robson). The only 100% established "marquee" players I can remember us signing from leading European clubs are Veron (who flopped) and Van Persie (who hasn't). Even Berbatov only came from Spurs.

Yet every season we go through the same palaver where everybody complains we aren't signing the absolute top players and we're going to fall behind because of it. Surely we should be pleased we buy players and develop them to greatness? Isn't that a better thing to do? One of the risks with the very best players is that there is no guarantee you aren't buying them at the peak of their form (or, indeed, just off it) - look at Torres, Shevchenko, even Kaka to some extent.

If you look at the current team, there are 2 players there who are likely to be the best in the world in their respective positions within the next 2 or 3 years - de Gea and Rafael. They both fall into the "forward thinking" category of buys. We're in a position most teams would actually love to be in when heading into the transfer market - we have a strong squad, with a good mix of ages, and we can focus on buying players with a substantial future.

If, as a team, all you do is buy established players, sooner or later the bubble bursts. It's happened in the past at Lazio, at Marseille, to some extent at Madrid and Chelsea. I'm happy we continue to take the longer view.

They moan that we only sign potential. When we start going for the big guns, they moan that we are punching above our weight. Plonkers.

Sydney!

They are always going to be here mate, they play FM or fifa and then they think they have the knowledge of busby or cloughy! TRUST UNITED WHEN HAVE THEY REALLY LET U DOWN?

Great post that darklord couldny agree more. It is the same every summer. You would think we had not won anything for a decade!

Red Pedro

Dark lard, I agree to an extent but you've got to embellish the team with some proven talent otherwise you end up being arsenal.

at the moment we have a gaping deficit of talent in our midfield which for the last 4 or 5 years has required a world class player to fill it. we've now run out of time to find and develop that player so we need to buy him from elsewhere already fully developed.

hopefully we also buy some mid fielders with potential and get rid of the ones we have who didn't fulfill theirs.

Spot and Andrew, particularly when you think we have only won 3 league titles in the last 5 years

Andrew B

But - even with that gaping hole - we've won the league a few times, right?

The Arsenal situation is different. They refused to compete with other clubs on wages and so couldn't hold the talent they had. If they still had Clichy, Nasri and RVP they would be serious title contenders. They haven't done as good a job of spending their funds or developing their younger players, either.

You have to buy someone first before you can develop them :)

Darklord
Rooney best young player in the world imo better than neymar we got him.
Van nisterlooy the next big thing in Europe we git him ( turned down madrid)
Kean British transfer record
Robson British transfer record
Ferdinand best cb in the world, world transfer record fir a cb
Jred

But Jred, apart from RVN, who out of those you've mentioned, had Barca, RM, Bayern chasing them, never mind new money like City, Chelsea, PSG.

I've said before, we were always a big draw for top British talent, but we've never consistently went for marquee European signings, or if we have, they haven't fancied coming to us - why should this year be any different?

Steve
we don't know who was chasing who we can only go of the papers.
I would be surprised if every team in the world weren't looking at and wanted Vernon Rooney van and Ferdinand.
Even kean and Robson were both the best two cm in England or the best up and coming cm in Europe when we bought them
Jred

My point is contrary to the op we have made big signings in the past and some the players he mentioned where in fact big signings
Jred

Dark lard / ajh:

1. maybe we could have won the premier league more times, plus other competitions if we had a decent midfield

2. just because we won 3 in 5 doesn't guarantee anything for the future, especially with our rivals improving their squads.

if you're suggesting we don't have an immediate need for at least one top quality midfielder then I have to assume you're SAF in disguise :)

22 Jul 2013 20:15:46
A quick question lads.

I think if we bid £40m we would get Fabregas.

However, if we bid £40m to Everton we would probably get Fellaini and Baines.

All good players and both options improve us immensely but in different ways.

My preference would Fabregas as he is different class

Which would you guys prefer and why? Creativity or solidity

All three players please.

Sydney!

Fabragas everytime because we need a quality midfielder more than anything else.

22 Jul 2013 19:48:59
so we have had managerial changes in top teams in europe.
top 3 teams in pl- utd, city, chelsea
top 2 team in spanish league- real and barca
top team in german league- bayern

so all champions league contenders have a change in there manager.
so who do you guys thing wil win d champions league this time. obviously all of us wants utd 2 win and will support all throughout but we lack 2 or 3 world class player to win. so who do u guys put your money on.
obviously bayern are strongest on paper or on pitch but as history suggest no club have won it twice but yes that doest mean they wont.
but I wil pick chelsea this time around bcs mou is back and happy and we can never ignr him. if they sign rooney that wil complete their team. real are my secnd fav bcs its been ages they won 1 and carlo wil imprv them.
so who do u guys think wil win this tym

sid

I don't think that an English team will win it this year as its going to be a hard premiership to win with a lot more teams having a chance rather than the usual two horse race. This will mean that teams can't rest players before big european games.
In Germany, bayern have gotten stronger while Dortmund have gotten weaker. Bayern should easily win their league, so they will be in the position to rest players in the business end of the season. Plus they have a winter break.
It's hard to tell how barca and Madrid are going to be this year, and I can't see an Italian team winning it so my money would be on bayern becoming the 1st team to win it two years in a row

B Munich without a doubt

Alex Fergusons Condom

Bayern Munich have to be the favourites although I think CA will do a fantastic job at RM and could end up winning it.

redseven

22 Jul 2013 23:00:05
Juventus have to be in with a shout? Strengthened an already dominating domestic team with the view of being able to progress further in the CL.

Just my opinion but definitely worthy of an each way flutter. They have strengthened without reshuffling their whole team, like others, i. e. PSG etc.

Flying the United Flag from Bondi

No one has won the CL back to back I had munich winning it last year and this year Real Madrid will win the thing.

From the english clubs, I think City believe it or not will make a deep run and depending on what we do in the transfer market we could also make a deep run. Don't be surprised to see 3 english teams in the quarters.

Shahram

22 Jul 2013 19:00:28
Were getting a joke now. Where are these sigings that we were promised by sir alex?

Surley the board cannot just have scrapped the targets we had cause moyes has come in.

We are desperetly in need of midfielders, and if rooney goes a striker.

The window has been open for weeks now and this Whole identifying our targets publicly doesn't make sence.

Unless moyes buys some players that will strenthern I expect the fans will start to be getting a bitt pead off!

bidding for someone that clearly isn't for sale and doesn't want to leave is making ua look embarrasing.

We miss out on thiago and stootman who we were clearly interested in.

I cannot be the only one concered about the lack of activity, not only
Incoming
But the dead wood that's still at our club

Inmoyeswedonttrust

You'd think we narrowly avoided relegation last season with that post, get a grip transfers don't work like football manager

Just like the dead wood supporters that have lost the faith already!!

Fred the red

Giving you the benefit of the doubt I'd tell you to hold your nerve and judge the summer come the close of the window. Even if we get out targets on deadline day, it's a long old season

Not giving you the benefit of the doubt I'd tell you to grow up and stop being so impatient. Yes we all want to see some 1st team quality come in on day one of the window - but it's better to take time to get the right players than to just switch to 3rd and 4th choices who may not improve the first team.

Moyes has always been very careful at Everton when adding players to his squad. He's very big on balance, and players fitting in in a good blend.

He bought well at Everton, he had to, he couldn't waste money. Trust him to get it right at MUFC. Yes, it is frustrating checking media outlets by the hour. But your post makes you sound desperate, and is frankly embarrassing to all sensible MUFC fans.

Your the only one with no brain grow up
ARB

OP, well done on a most ridiculous name, the man hasn't had a competitive game and your slagging him off with your infantile name. I despair sometimes at how thick some people can be

22 Jul 2013 18:49:25
At the risk of repeating myself, this Fabregas proposed deal has me totally confused, I'm lost, kinda like my GF gets lost in our shower, we make a bid and Barca say he is not for sale CF says he don't want to move and now we bid again. We are either being totally obtuse or Barca are playing games.

Vidal has just come out and said he has not renewed his contract at Juve, which either means "I want a new contract" or "I want away"
this guy is exactly what we need.

Lastly a question to the regulars DM has stated he wants to sign the best youth players, do we have any names in mind?

I'd rather we re-sign Pogba ;)

Ozwald

22 Jul 2013 18:29:06
Anyone else worried that if we don't get Fabregas it will be very embarrassing for the club and it will seem we like we have no pulling power? first thiago then strootman and looking like cesc now!
Otherwise fans might be pretty ticked off for not completing the thiago deal!

Although we've never confirmed any bids let alone 'interest' in either Strootman or Thiago.

Ozwald

22 Jul 2013 18:09:09
So apparently we have been knocked back a second time by Barca. Well there's a surprise ;) let's hope that this doesn't happen all summer as we seriously need 3 or 4 top players 1 LB 2 CM's and 1 LW

Certainly something strange is going on with our dealings this summer. I kind of get the impression that we are waiting for something to happen. Whether that is for a manager to arrive at another club to sanction the sale of the players we want or clubs want to hold us to ransom as they think we are a bit desperate?

My big worry is that we dither for too long and end up with nothing; but George I agree entirely that we need those four signings

United have refused Chelsea's bid for Rooney but that doesn't mean he won't end up there by the end of August. Barcelona won't make a final decision on Fabregas until he speaks with the new manager. Also Moyes will have already made his mind up about Rooney, but we need a major name in before we can let him go or there would be uproar. Also, if Rooney goes, and RVP is injured, who will lead the line? There's five more weeks of this and most of it won't be resolved until the last couple of days.

Ryan.

22 Jul 2013 17:25:15
BREAKING: Catalan paper Sport claim that Barcelona have rejected Manchester United's 2nd bid for midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Believe that not too surprised let's move on add fab to the no list

Please don't tell me you are not surprised by this?

Scratch him off your list! Who's next? Bale? Ok, the next two weeks the main topic is Bale, Rooney's fitness and outfield issues. Ah yeah and the awesomeness of Cleverly.

The "no list" seems to be getting longer and longer.

Yeah because your lot are really leaving us behind in terms of signings aren't they 8years and counting

togthered

Gooner why are you spending so much time on the United page? Is Arsenal's page pretty dire at the moment? that wouldn't surprise me.

Ozwald

Ozwald, Gooner is spending so much time on here because like most Arsenal fans his first obsession is United.

22 Jul 2013 17:04:10
Already seeing a lot of reports saying Barcelona have rejected United's second bid for Cesc Fabregas of around £30m and insist he is not for sale.

Ozwald

Really?
Well shame on them :))

Well GoonerMKD at least that's the best bit of transfer work arsenal have done bet you are well made up

Are you seriously surprised?

Do I sound surprised? I'm merely informing people of what i've seen.

Ozwald

22 Jul 2013 16:12:52
Rene made manager of Anzhi Makhachkala, can see why he left. Was probably in the know that Guus Hiddink would resign soon. Wish him all the best!

Hiddink has only resigned because the Barca job has become available hasn't he? So I think that is just a coincidence to be honest.

Well the barca job is going to martino so unsure why he has resigned

Fair enough it may all be a coincidence then. To be fair I was pretty shocked Hiddink resigned anyway given that he has just started building a team with endless funds.

22 Jul 2013 16:00:08
Hi folks

Just watching Manchester United 1998-1999 Season Review on youtube but it is incomplete as only one part for over 1 hour.

Can anyone please give me a link for a complete video to download or watch online. Thanks

22 Jul 2013 15:47:32
Hiddink to Barcelona?

Sydney!

That is looking pretty much done to be honest and Barca are getting a great manager. let's hope that Meulensteen will provide United with some hefty offers for some of the players we could do with flogging ala Evra, Nani and Anderson.

I got 66/1 on it's this morning Sydney. He's now odds on.

Well done UWS, you could be collecting a nice amount next week mate.

George, I said the same above LOL.

Sydney!

I seen it after I replied, I would like to see if they did come in for Nani how much they would be willing to spend because nobody seems to want to spend anything for than about £8m!

Martino will get the job

Seems like 66/1 wasnt enough they have offered the job to someone else lol

22 Jul 2013 14:54:37
If TK or gag us is about, what is the code for the fantasy league?
thanks.

22 Jul 2013 14:45:39
People are getting confused with this first refusal clause in Fabregas's contract. If Barca accept an offer of 25M from any other club they must also accept an offer from Arsenal matching the 25M. If they accept an offer above 25m upwards then arsenal have to match that also.

Its absurd that some people think Arsenal cold just buy back Fab at 25m when ever they want. If that was the case why wouldn't they have done it earlier?

Barca paid 29m + 5m in add ons so why would they sell him for a 9m loss at any time?
Makes no sense
Max90

It's a £25m buy back clause IF the player wants to leave AND the club want to sell him. If he hands in a request its void. If United bid £40m arsenal will be offered him for £25m. If Arsenal say no and he signs for united, arsenal get 50% of the profit (any amount over the £25m they paid initially)

Anyway he's not leaving Barca so it doesn't matter

22 Jul 2013 14:14:09
All the United "fans" are doing on this page is ripping each other apart for posting opinions. It's a rumours site! No wonder the Eds are fuming with everyone. It's gotten silly now.

Some people on here believe their opinion is the truth or that their opinion is better than other peoples opinions.

JK92

And some people seem to think its ok to slag off other people for having opinions whilst stating their own opinion don't they no name?

It's a banter site, it's refreshing to see so many opinions, as long as nobody is being abused then let people have their opinions.

22 Jul 2013 13:28:54
If cesc is not for sale why have we gone
back in with a second bid. To me that tells
us that Barca would sell for a bigger offer.
A high percentage of deals are done
after the selling club have got what they
want. So I would have a shot in the dark
and say that the Fabregas deal is almost
done at about £38m

In which case he'll go to arsenal for 25m

No name no he won't. If we have a bid accepted for 30 million then arsenal have the option of taking him for 30 million but if doesn't want to go back to winning nothing with Arsenal then it counts for nothing. The decision will be Fab's.

If MU agreed a £38m deal for Cesc, Arsenal would need to pay £31.5m. Would Arsenal pay £31.5m for Cesc when they do not need to strengthen the midfield? NO!

Sydney!

Arsenal surely have to match any other clubs offer?
johndenton

Can't believe that moyes as bid 30 mil for a player who is worth 20 at most.

Oh my days! That is one of the silliest posts I have seen in a while! Cesc Fabregas only worth £20m? Are you kidding! HE is obviously worth £30m +! He is so talented and would walk into any team apart from the one he happens to be at!

Let's put that in perspective. Cesc is worth the same amount of money as Liverpool paid for Jordan Henderson?

Gar

Yeah Manchester United fans logic:
Fabregas worth 20 mil;
Nani worth 25 mil;
Rooney worth 35-50 mil.

Gooney, don't include us all in that statement. Every club has deluded fans. Most United fans would value Rooney at £30-40m, Fabregas at £30m+ and Nani at £15m.

22 Jul 2013 12:39:39
Reading down the page a bit there and this quote interested me.

"I have my own pair of eyes and I can clearly see that since Rooney signed his new deal in October 2010, he has slowly been going downhill physically. Poor first touch, slowing down, losing the ball and not chsing to get it back etc etc. "

Tell me Sydney!, did you have a blindfold covering said pair of eyes during the 2011/12 season, when Wayne Rooney had his best EVER season for the club? He scored more goals than ever before yet the following season he was returned and was moved all over the pitch to accomodate RvP. I'm not saying he should have played instead of Robin, but he shouldn't have been moved into midfield etc the way he was. Both of them should have been accomodated in the way they were before Wayne got injured around Christmas time. So in some ways I do believe he has a point with regards his position in the team.

I agree with points people have made about him not being bigger than the club etc. and I feel if he wants to go then let him go as we will obviously be able to replace him. However some of the nonsense being spouted by certain people on here is ludicrous. Rooney is a legend at Manchester United. Plain and simple. The lack of respect for his legacy is very poor.

GRD

If he wants to go let him go but why some people are desperate to sell him is beyond me.
but everyone to there own time will tell
Jred

Well why dnt u tell me wot we won when rooney had his best season? Or wot we won when RVP had his second best season?

Not agreeing with Sydney in any capacity but what annoys me about Rooney is the whole contract impass in 2010 was due to him believeing we could not attract world class players, we gave him assurances we would sign top players and that's what we have done. Unfortunately for Wayne he didn't realise they might be in his position and instead of knuckling down and fighting for his place he is throwing his toys out of the pram.

IrishRed

22 Jul 2013 13:20:46
I have to disagree with the use of the word legend. Your putting him in with some extremely illustrious company and I have to ask what has he done that is so legendary. Sure he scored a few goals but its his job and he's very well paid to do it. I agree there has been a lot of crap said about him, from both sides of the argument. Good player a lot of the time, great player some of the time but legend? Sorry but no. MrE

Jred, because a lot of us feel it's time for him to move on.

He is not happy playing second fiddle to RVP, who is the better striker, and when it comes to attacking midfielders, Rooney is not that good in that position.

He is not happy at the club, he is earning wages he no longer deserves, his fitness is gradually fgoing down and he has not improved since 2009.

His all around play this season has taken a step back. He wastes too many chances with his poor touch or his shocking inability to dribble.

the only thing that seperates Rooney from the likes of Welbeck is his goal record, but his goals are no longuer that important since we have RVp, Chicharito and Kagawa who are all able to score 20 goals + per season.

Mick

I expressed my thoughts on Rooney some weeks ago however I think many have jumped on the press bandwagon to create havoc at our club. You only have to look at the United in crisis type of headline that they love, plus they hype up every minute issue and those on here who want rid of Rooney so vehemently have been taken in. Remember Chelsea want Rooney and Jose is nobody's fool. Admittedly Rooney did not have a good season but there were others as well, however is that what Manchester United fans have become, fans who hound players out at the first set of poor performances. If Rooney had another poor season then I would agree about selling. I looked at Rooney last season and to me it was clear that he was not mentally right. I also believe that was partly down to the manager who moved him around the pitch. He also had to play in front of a sub standard midfield and we did not create the chances we did in previous years. RVP had a lean spell and we didn't create chances for him then.
Many on here have had the anti Rooney agenda since he asked for a transfer several years ago whilst conveniently forgetting he also actually said what most on here were saying, that the club lacked ambition. I doubt the manager forgave him because it slighted him and went against the cosy image of our owners. Many on here didn't forgive him so now it's the chance to give him a good verbal pasting.
I was not satisfied by Rooneys performances last season but this automatic assumption he is in decline could be very foolhardy indeed. If we sold him to Jose he will in my opinion have a notable resurgence and it will come back to haunt us.

I would also be concerned that we would be one injury to a 30 year old RVP away from big problems. Hernandez is good coming on as a substitute but not anywhere near as good as a starter. So sell Rooney as some are so keen to do and replace him with who? Most of the top strikers are already committed.
The Rooney situation and the bile towards him may well see him leave but those who want to sell him to Chelsea should not come on here crying what he has done towards their League title success at the end of the season. As I said weeks ago we need to be very sure he cannot rediscover what made him so good before seeing it destroy us in someone else's shirt.

Chris the REDman

That is just plain stupid saying what did we win when Rooney had is best season 2011-2012 compared to RVP this season.
What about all the trophies we won before RVP came to United and Rooney was the focus of the team.
Your completely missing the point what GRD is making. He is clearly saying Rooney should of been played in his correct position up front behind RVP which I completely agree with.
Maybe if Fergie had done this in the first place we would'nt have this circus going on with Rooney.
I don't think for a minute that Rooney is jelious of RVP I think he just wanted a chance to play alonside him every week to develop the partnership which could of been fantastic.

Simmo

GRD, Rooney's best ever season for MU was in 2009/10. I cannot continue this discussion if you do not even know that. Pointless.

Sydney!

Irish, it has naff all to do with "club ambition" or "playing out of position", it's down to him getting the MU board to pay him and his agent what they want. With the threat to join a rival if we do not give into his demands. MU are under no pressure to give in to him this time round. I doubt we will give him what he wants this time, but if we did he would do another U-turn.

It's all about the cash, it always is my friend.

Sydney!

Red man
I completely agree and have been trying to make the same point myself
Jred

Anyone slagging Rooney just for the sake of it and telling us he doesn't work hard and doesn't track back is talking utter tripe.
He works his socks off, he had a mediocre season by his standards, scored 16 goals and over 15 assists. Some of these goals came when rvp was having g his 11 match barren spell. Also, rvp looked tired during that spell.
So if we want to play one up front, then we better have two top strikers who can perform that roll. Rvp and Rooney are the best in the business at that. So why sell one of them?
Valencia, nani, young, Anderson, all these lot earned ridiculous money last year and were total rubbish. So why aren't all the Rooney haters coming on here and slagging these lot off?
We will be the losers if we sell Rooney, make no mistake about this. He's not finished, not by a long way. Beware, if we sell him to Chelsea, then it would be the biggest mistake we have made.
Nomidfield

I actually think it's all about playing time and his position.
At 28 with a world cup coming up I think Rooney may feel it's time to be the main man up top.
If he stops at United or goes to Chelsea the cash will take care of himself.
jred

It is simple Nobody is bigger than the club and Rooney is no different. He doesn't deserve his huge wages and definitely does not deserve an improved contract. I support Manchester United not the Wayne Rooney fan club. I will support United if we end up broke and fighting to stay in League 1 if it comes to it. People need to realise it is not about one player move on.

Nomidfield, you seriously need to grow up. Having an opinion on a football player is not "slagging him off". The reason Rooney gets the criticism is because his salary is almost as much as all four of those player's combined. Grow up!

Sydney!

Nomidfield, have a look at whoscored, a statistics site and look for Wayne Rooney, and then come on here and tell us how defensively important he is for us

mick

Red Man, you are conveniently forgetting that Rooney is the one who is causing all of this. Perhaps you can find a way to blame it on the owners like you usually do? If you cannot see that Rooney hasn't been the same player since 2009/10 then you have really surprised me.

Sydney!

22 Jul 2013 15:00:37
I think this being played out of position thing is s myth does anyone have stats on how many starts he had in each position? I bet most were in the hole then up top.

Jred, utter nonsense! Rooney is under zero pressure for England. That is a poor excuse and you know it.

If it's about playing time and his position then you agree that MU is no longer the club for him then and has to leave?

Sydney!

Guys why is this so difficult to see?

Rooney doesn't WANT to stay so why should we keep him?

He will no doubt stay if we give him what he wants but we will have the same uninspired player who can sit happy as he has signed another 4-5 year deal and can coast along as his recent performances have shown but in this case we are having to persuade him to stay when he clearly isn't bothered if he stays or not.

If he was actually bothered about his place as a Manchester United player he would have been public in his wanting to stay and say 'next year I will win a contract renewal with my performances'.

He hasn't and has only reacted to any press releases through Moyes, Woodward etc and added fuel to the fire with those responses.

Whether or not Rooney will rediscover the heights of his career absolutely nobody knows, we could sell to Chelsea and he becomes inspired by Jose and fires them to a treble and we all say 'christ if we got Jose look what he could have done with Rooney' and 'sh*t what a dumb move that was' or we could sell him to a foreign team and he gets fatter and lives off past dreams and we all say 'christ we should have sold him to Chelsea as he has done a Torres' nobody can predict that.

The things that matter is 1. Does he want to stay? doesn't look like it. 2. If he stays do we give him a new contract as letting him run it down is dangerous? He doesn't warrant a better one so its very unlikely he would sign. 3. If we are to sell him is it best to do so now? Business wise yes. 4. Can we replace him? Yes (and on allot less money).

If he stays and he won't sign a new deal he has no motivation and we could see him even worse.

I personally would sell him now and run the risk of him haunting us.

Jred, you still see some point in arguing with the lot who think that their opinion is fact and Wayne Rooney is as good as John Rooney!

Deeps.

Syd
No it's not pal it's quite simple, going in to a world cup I would imagine Rooney would prefer to be playing a full season in his preferred position as the main man there is a chance this could be his last world cup so he may want to make the most of it.

As a United fan I want us to keep our top players and I certainly would want to strengthen our opponents which I think Rooney will.
But if I was Rooney I would maybe move to Chelsea I think it could be a good move for him fir all the reasons I have explained over the past month
Jred

Sydney

Actually SAF started this with the what I feel was an unnecessary pronouncement about the alleged transfer request especially as it appears the alleged conversation was more about why he wasn't playing than him asking for a transfer.

I know Rooney was not at an acceptable standard last season but are you willing to take the risk Jose will rejuvenate him?

If we sell it should be abroad

Deeps very true, the strange thing is I can't remember a single negative post this time last summer which indicates to me that most are forming there opinion or "complete fact " of the situation on one bad season.
I think a lot have nailed there hat to the Rooney will leave mast over the past 10 month and now will try to justify it by any means.
I think a lot not all though we could sell Rooney and buy there favourite player, lewandowski or gotze but never happened but after going on about it so much have drawn a line in the sand.
I hope we get fab a team with Rooney fab and Rvp in it would hAve some real quality imo.
But as I have said before I think Rooney and Chelsea are a good match
Jred

It's pointless continuing the discussion because people get too watery eyed when someone says something negative about Rooney.

I will not be commenting about Rooney until something significantly changes.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - You best get in training for a Man v Food size challenge of humble pie Syd :-)

There are so many reasons people give as to why Wayne should be flooged to the highest bidder. One of them being his last season and how his complete play crumbled from a world class standard to pedestrian. I think people were only watching Wayne Rooney and esp his misplaced passes/control, anyone who watched last season, based on performance would want Valencia, Nani, Welbeck, Clevs, Smalling (albeit injured for most part) etc from the first team to be sold. Guess what? a lot of posters on this particular thread have a favourite player in the list that I mentioned.

Deeps.

Syd
I would try to cut down slowly, to just completely stop could be dangerous
Jred

Redman - you're showing naivety in the extreme, if you think Wayne's request in 2010 was motivated purely by his desire to see the club get better players.
StevieK

22 Jul 2013 12:24:16
I am all for David Moyes getting the job etc, but when it comes to buying the players etc, is he a big enough draw, players are after money these days, hence they all end up at City & Chelsea, its a real shame, but we will wait & see who we get, before I start to rant & rave, but it's not looking good from where I'm sitting:)

I think you answered your own question. Players have turned us down to earn more money elsewhere before this summer.

I don't buy the manager being too much of a concern for foreign players that are used to clubs changing their manage every couple of seasons.

Ben

Ps of course some players just prefer to play elsewhere, weather, fans of other clubs etc all plays a part.

22 Jul 2013 11:35:30
Will david beckenham start a lot

Mohammed

Yes he is more than likely going to be on the right hand side of midfield, with bobby charlton in the centre and Roy keane in the hole.

We are looking to make a signing of Alan shearer up front but hopefully Thierry Henry will come, a young lad from France.

Hope this helped.

Did this post take 10 years to come through?

GDS

you obviously have MOTD fever

Shearer will never amount to anything

Is he "David Beckham" and "Franz Beckenbauer's" cross. If so, I think he should start!

Deeps.

22 Jul 2013 11:30:39
'At this moment in time I can only tell you that Ed Woodward is working hard to make the deals happen and we're hoping some of them will fall into place shortly. '

Well let's hope that we do see some deals in the next few weeks as I would like to see all of our transfers signed before any Premiership game.

22 Jul 2013 10:58:47
As an Arsenal fan it's funny to finally see you lot clueless in a transfer window. No one wants to join, you're bidding for everyone and now you're helping Cesc come back to Arsenal. If your £30m bid is accepted when the new manager comes in, we get first refusal and sign him for £25m.
Great work Moyes!

Paul

And youve signed who?
johndenton

Well done. Any bid we put in, you have to match it. Your refusal clause is that if we bid 35, barca has to go to you and ask if you want to match it, if you match it then they are obliged to sell him to you. Stay on your own page. Saying that, who exactly has arsenal bought?

Fagan

And who have you signed? hows the Higuian, Suarez, Torres, Mata and rooney bids going?

And who have you signed? hows the Higuian, Suarez, Torres, Mata and rooney bids going?

Once again we get a visit from an Arsenal supporting person.

You may have first refusal on Cesc but we have van Persie, it's not guaranteed he would join you, he may turn you down.

Also, as far as we know one player has maybe said they don't want to join us and has gone to play for their former manager.

We have made public bids for two players and there's a difference between players choosing not to join and not having the bid accepted at all.

Finally, where are all YOUR new signings then?

MEF

What like Arsenal are going to sign Higuain, Rooney or Suarez ;)

Sydney!

Do you think barca will let u have a player
for 25m when we are will to go upto 40m
dont think so. They will only let u have him
for the asking price (40m) minus 50% of any profit over 25m
All this info has come from gooners on your
rumours site
buisness is buisness and barca have massive debts!!!

No Paul, that is not how it works
KevDarko

You only get him if he wants to return. He left because you had won sod all for 6 years. It's now 8 years and you've added world class talents such as Gervinho and Podolski. Anyway, who have Arsenal signed apart from the usual 9 year old French kid?

No you don't. you get the chance to match the offer that's it. The choice goes to fab who he signs for

So. The alternative is to go back to trophy less Arsenal sounds so appealing, speaking off signing big players when did Arsenal last sign one? They certainly lose there better players to better clubs for example RVP joined a bigger club but I can't quite remember the name;)

Mad Hatter

An Arsenal fan claiming United are clueless in the transfer window, hilarious! I assume Paul that Wengers apparent bids for Rooney, Villa, Suarez and Higuain were all accepted and its just a matter of time until your club announces them!

As for Fabregas, why do you assume he will return to Arsenal, particularly after winning trophies with Barca? Surely, having tasted success he wouldn't want to go back to a club lacking ambition and a manager unwilling to spend. Your club and its board continue to sell your best players and replaces them with mediocre players. Gervinhio, Andre Santos, Podolski et all are world class!

I would stick to moaning about your own club not spending despite astronomical ticket prices and the lack of ambition from a manager and board who are satisfied with nothing more than a champions league spot. Maybe you can come back when good old Arsene has bought a world class player or two.

Gerdy 7

£25m buy back clause as first refusal. We don't need to match your bid at all. They owe us £10-15m still from the Cesc & Song deals.
You do not stand a chance of signing him and I know it's got to be embarrassing watching Moyes going public about trying to sign him.
The only reasons he would leave Barca is to be closer to his family, in London.
In his own words he will only play for one English team, that's us.

Paul

"He left because you had won sod all for 6 years".

No, he left to join his boyhood club and his great love for barca. It was always expected that he would return one day - even if arsenal had won the league every year in those 6 years!

Why would Wenger throw €30 million on a player who plays in Arsenal's strongest area, when Arsenal still have obvious defensive and striking frailties?

Nathaniel

Hello Paul, another clueless gooner I see, answer me this why are arsenal waiting so long to sign any1 too? I guess that cue of worldclass talent takes a while to go through yes?
When will u lot learn, u come on here giving us grief over summit u know nothing about and the season is still over a month away, why dnt u pop back on September the 2nd and we will see who is laughing?
Do u have a 25m buy back clause do u? Hmmm funny how it seems barca need cash yet u still ain't shown any interest in him.
8 years and counting mate.

Lets just see if he wants to go
back and win nowt or go and
play with the champions and
his best mate remember him
R V P
HA HA HA

Paul,

According to your logic. Manchester is nearer to London than Barcelona is so moving to United would get him closer to his family.

I'm not convinced we'll get Cesc but there's no smoke without fire and RVP is bound to be trying to influence his decision.

I do think Arsenal fans are nervous about this deal though and that's what a lot of this "banter" is about.

I'd be nervous too if City had bid dor Ronakdo and no obvious rejection noises came from the Ronaldo camp.

Ben

Cesc, speaking about 6 months ago:


'Apart from Arsenal and Barcelona, I don't see myself playing anywhere else, '

It was a dream of mine to play for Barca, but I was not bitter at Arsenal, " he said. "On the contrary, I was living somewhere which, for me, was the most beautiful city in the world, I was in an incredible team with a superb coach and supporters I adored.

"It was not a question of life or death. If Barca had not come in for me, I would have played my whole career at Arsenal. That was certain. "

"Yes, there are teams who pay better, " he said. "But it was always clear to me. Either go to Barca or stay at Arsenal.

The last thing on my mind was money and I have come to Barca and I earn less. "

"I only owe 3 people something in my life, my mother, my father & Arsene Wenger"


Now, I am not such a naïve gooner to appreciate that things change, especially in football, but if you think it will be an easy decision to join utd, if arsenal make a bid, I think you would be mistaken.

We know, funny enough, greater than anyone that we have not one sod all for years.

But we are in a very good financial position now and can pretty much compete for the top players, at least financially (ofc the club have to actually live up to that and deliver and spend!).

The challenge for any player joining arsenal will be to turn it into a winning club again. The finances are there now, so we'll see what happens. {Ed004's Note - He also said “I'm a massive Man United fan,”}

He said that once he had signed for Barcelona. He thought he would retire at Barcelona. He now knows that's not going to happen as Barcelona will listen to offers for him. That inevitably changes everything. If he knows he is not 100% wanted by Barcelona and we agree a fee for him, then is it that out of the ordinary that he will want to join MU on a very tidy salary, teaming up with his bessy mate?

Sydney!

Ed he said he was a massive fan of the way united play

23 Jul 2013 09:58:25
ed004, you are quite right, once, in an interview just before arsenal played utd at old Trafford.

Something about utd being a great club and team, etc. and how he admires utd.

But, be fair, you can't compare a one off comment and how he feels about arsenal.

He still follows arsenal games, has regular contact with wenger and puts comments on twitter when arsenal win, well done lads, etc.

22 Jul 2013 10:42:50
Sky are quoting Moyes confirming that a second bid for Fabregas has been made.

To me this suggests that they are willing to sell as if it was a straight 'no' from them, why would we bother bidding again?

Also, it appears they have changed their stance from 'no way' to 'will make a decision once a new coach as been appointed'

Getting more confident that this is going to happen now.

I think that things are coming together. Tito's retirement, Neymar's arrival and the need to raise funds. Fabregas is no doubt an asset to Barca, but he is expendable given that they need money. Also on our side is the fact that Arsenal aren't moving for him but instead going for Suarez.

After selling thiAgo what do barce need more, cash or fabergas.
I think there midfield starts to look a bit light
Jred

Jred, to be fair Barcelona have decent youth midfielders and I would imagine if they sold Cesc they would buy Herrera who they have been tracking for a while and use the extra cash for a much needed CB. Not sure what's going on, but I would doubt MU would be bidding unless Cesc was available.

Sydney!

22 Jul 2013 10:29:56
Sly sports stating that David moyes has confirmed a second bid. They also go on to say Barcelona wil not make a decision on fabregas until new coach is appointed. The waiting goes on!

22 Jul 2013 09:18:36
We will not sign Fabregas so stop dreaming!

I love it when no name posters are adamant about something. Do you work closely with MUFC or Barcalona? No thought not.

The truth is nobody knows what will happen. Every single one of us is speculating. So let's wait & see & hopefully something will happen.

No, I'm not saying it will happen either.

We will sign fabragas and I'll keep dreaming.

oh sh*t' I left my name

22 Jul 2013 00:39:23
I have seen some absolute rubbish posted about Strootman/Garay/Alcantara/Ronaldo "flying in tomorrow to sign" and I understand that we all get a bit stir crazy at this time of year (and I fall for most of it!)

In my humble opinion, if we can get fully fit Jones/Nani/Valencia, and even Anderson, in the team next season we will effectively have our new signings. Also if you add to that the young lads like Januzaj and Powell, we should be well placed to defend our title.

Well that's the biggest pile of old tut I have heard yet
Anderson and nani have been here years and done little they are crap have been and always will be

Pardoe

nani was our best player in the 2010 and 2011 season and anderson had a great start to his carrer at united, they are a long way off crap and whether you like it or not they might still have a future at united

nikz

Pardoe, you have been mouthing absolute nonsense for sometime and you seems to not like a single united player and always comes up with false united rumuors

PLEASE don't TROLL

Have you seen the size of Anderson? I thought he might start shedding some stones when he heard of Moyes arrival, but it doesn't seem to have made any difference!
Get rid of him as he's had plenty of.
Nomidfield

Pardoe, nani has had a couple of dodgy performances but I have to admit he was better than Valencia and young when they played. he's a great talent with an eye for goal. Nani is extremely talented. he was great v Rm until he got sent off. my opinion on Anderson is he struggles to keep fit, but when he is fit he is very good, very strong, can go passed players with ease, is very good on the ball. I will admit its very frustrating because Anderson put in some man of the match performances at the beginning of the season last year only to get injured again,

I think Nani will become a much better player because he will play for a new manager. Regardless if it is for United or some other club. I think Sir Alex "destroyed" his confidence, and you can understand why, cause he knew he wouldn't play the next match anyway, and if he once every 10 match started, he always got subbed

Maybe Moyes might play them in their PROPER positions!
LP

Our squad is simply not good enough. We need some signings and quality ones. I believe Moyes has put all of our eggs in one basket and they have all cracked.

No Thiago
No Fabregas
No Ronaldo
No Baines.
We will be lucky to finish above Arsenal at this rate

Like new signings? a couple of dodgy performances? I think a few of you have been out in the sun too long or don't watch many utd games
johndenton

I can't take any United fan serious who says positive things about Anderson.
Please, no more stupid posts about Anderson having a GREAT START TO HIS UNITED CAREER.
It's getting boring now, he had plenty of chances and done absolutely sod all in the six seasons he's been here apart from improving the end of year profits at Mcdonalds and KFC.
Nani has showed glimpses of the player he could be but is just to incon sistent and has been crap for two years.
Both need moving on with Macheada and Bebe. At least this will raide about 20 million pound cash and we can buy another player.

Simmo

Anderson is shocking.

I hope Nani pick up his form again and have a little hope with Moyes. But I don't see much hope with Ando imho. I think there will be more chance for us to get Fabregas than seeing Ando shining (prove me I'm wrong!). As for Fabregas, I still don't think they will sell us.
RumourNo. 1

21 Jul 2013 23:47:51
So the board say there's no budget. let's put this to the test and get Jack Wilshere then! Do it as part of a deal for Rooney if needs must as for some reason I'd much prefer Rooney at arsenal than Chelsea. We all know what a star all ready is never mind what he'll become, albeit injury prone. He's a little pit bull whom I reckon could easily bring back that steel we lost long ago after Keane. Plus can't be bad having such a strong English theme in our team can it :)

19JackC94

You must be out of your mind.

GoonerMKD

Gooner has a point jack, why pay the big fee we would have to for an injury prone player that ain't exactly done anything of note as of yet?

Think about it. With Jose playing his tricks saying Rooney or bust then let's let him go bust. No disrespect to arsenal but if Rooney went there I'd be less worried as I could hardly see then winning the league as I'd fear with Chelsea, most that would happen is he may help them win the FA cup or something which isn't a bad think and I must admit I feel it's about time they get some silver so without saying throw them a bone.
Plus Arsne is always banging on how he can afford room eyes wages so let's get the ball rolling see if we wants to take our swap if not he may come back with a cash offer and start a bidding war with Chelsea :)

19JackC94