Manchester United Banter Archive June 22 2012

 

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22 Jun 2012 21:44:48
Just read the report in the Indi about de rossi saying English football was "more interesting" than the Italian league.

I'd love to see him at OT. Anyone else agree?

Andrew B

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No. Too old and will not make money for me.

Love Malcolm and the kids.

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Too old? yet you would be more than happy to see scholes play every week.. even if he is 10 years older.. great logic.

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We don't and never have bought players to make money, players are bought to improve the team, therefore more success, therfore more money from the success. If they make money from shirt sales then thats a added bonus but not bought for this reason.

And people need to get this too old out of there head, it doesn't matter on age of a player, if they can do the business then fergie will buy them being on a free or a transfer, i.e, owen, berbatov, blanc, larrson, van der sar( I know keepers are better older), scholes(brought back), Giggs(kept on for so long)

You get my point.

Neil

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22 Jun 2012 21:41:40
God if only we could get Hummels, will be the best in the world. You could argue he already is. We should have gone all out for him about 2 years ago when the first links appeared.
SqueakyBum

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22 Jun 2012 20:45:44
We have signed a great attacking midfielder in Kagawa and I think he will be great behind Rooney. I think we need another centre midfielder. I would prefer either Martinez, Modric or Cabaye They would all improve our team and they would be worth the money.

Also I think we should give Fryers and Blackett some games so Evra might get the message. We should give Will Keane some games when he is fit again.

I think we should sign Clyne and Redmond because they are obviously talented and we would not have to pay much.

I suppose we could sign a forward but I think Welbeck deserves to play after a good season. Same goes for a winger as Nani deserves to stay as he has been one of our best although a tad inconsistent performers for at least two years. Gilly

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Gilly,

Its quite likely that Fryers will be leaving soon.Although i hope he stays thought that he played well for us.

Mad Hatter

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Forget fryers saf is letting him go due to a rapid decline in his attitude another fool
ARB

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Shouldn't buy Redmond... not proved himself yet

fearny

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Would love to see Cabaye over Modric personally, just as good, but cheaper

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Zeki fryers was just an average player nothing more

Robbo

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I doubt Cabaye would be a lot cheaper in all honesty. I don't think we wanted to pay over 25m for Modric.

I think Newcastle would want the same amount but I'm not sure SAF rates Cabaye as Highly.

Red Joe

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22 Jun 2012 20:19:27
Even thou would like see Modric at Utd next season,after the signing of Kagawa if the money is there to bid for Modric wouldn't be better to our needs that the money is at least tried in a bid for Schweinsteiger!Yes I know how unlikely it would happen but would be good to know Utd have at least tried&with players you never know!....also think there's a few players goin to pay the price for not winning title last season fergie hates losing&with it bein to City!

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Who is to say we haven't? There must be hundereds of enquiries made by clubs resulting in an instant no. Not every link hits the news.

1redarmy

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We don't need to go abroad for this( holding midfielder) which we've never had! 20 miles down the East Lancs at Everton is Jack Rodwell who isn't involved in Euros got talent so you fantasy football scouts can't see the wood for the trees
He is without doubt when fit as good if not better than all the following
Martinez, stroopman,m villa de Rossi and before you all come screaming he would fit into the Utd family at carrington far easier than anybodyelse show patience like you have with Carricks & nani ! And we,ll be back were we belong
Utd Utd.

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Your obviously joking with Rodwell aren't you, injury prone and no where near as good as what weve got not even best midfielder at Everton, behind fellaini by a country mile.

Carrick, Scholes, Carrick, Fletch(If he returns) even ando are all better than Rodwell.

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I agree that rodwell is quality but not sure if he is better than the other names you mentioned but this is due to not seeing enough games with the others to compare. My issue with rodwell is his injury record. hargreaves was a great player but you could hardly call him a success at united due to injuries its was a shame but I see similarities with rodwell. Bookedredmole

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We saw Rodwell make his debut for England he looked very comfortable amongst better quality players loads struggle to step up on the international stage but it didn't affect this kid believe me he is a Utd player all day long I agree his injury would be a concern but he will overcome that and prove his class
Utd utd

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22 Jun 2012 19:39:17
Clint Dempsey will be offered the Champions League football he deserves and sign for Man Utd for 12milion by the time Utd fly out for pre-season.
SAF see's this as a perfect option and a much cheaper buy than RVP who will not be leaving Arsenal for Man Utd.

It is all being kepted so quite so Arsenal and Chelsea dont bump up the price for him.
The relationship between Man Utd and Fulham is the reason the deal is going through without any press etc just as the Edwin deal was done before he signed for us..

Does anyone else feel this would be a great singing along with Kagawa!

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Being kept so quiet...yet some one told you (apparently) and you tell everyone on here...

JK92

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Not particularly.

Whistler

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Nope, there is no point in us signing him, he wont make us a better team he is just good at Fulham.

1redarmy

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Cant beat a good singing imo
ARB

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Albeit Dempsey is a grafter and certainly gives his all everytme he pulls on a Fulham shirt, i can't see Fergie parting with £12 million to purchase him when that money could be put towards a younger better players who would provide a longer service at the club.

Mad Hatter

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People said the same thing about Teddy Sheringham and look how that signing turned out. Dempsey has loads of experience and the reason he stands out at Fulham is because he is hungry for success, give him a run in a top team and he will win trophies.

Flimbo

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Id much rather see dembele than him

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I like dempsey but cant see where he would play for us,he plays as an attacking left midfielder come forward for fulham and cant see that we need him when we have nani,young, welbeck, rooney and his age wont help either dont think he is far off 30 phil

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Wouldn't want to see either Dembele or Dempsey. Neither have the quality to improve our squad. Plus Sherringham was a long time ago before we had this ethos of buying young.

Red Joe

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22 Jun 2012 19:19:42
Just a thing a thing,I see a few on here saying we should be signing players who are reserves at other clubs like Madrid,Surely a club the size of Manchester United&as Fergie as said before should have won more champion leagues shouldn't be goin for players who are a reserve at any club! It should be the top players from any clubs 1st team Utd should be after! Yes know the exceptions like Messi/Ronaldo but would be good to see Utd turn the tables on like Madrid&say were after whoever from there 1st team&hound them for a change.not the if Madrid want a Utd player its there games with the press for a while keep pushing it!

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Sneijder was a Madrid reserve and he signed for Inter and look what happened there....
SqueakyBum

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22 Jun 2012 19:19:04
Situations like the Nick Powell situation are what annoy me. Don't get me wrong, he's a great talent, but if he gets game time next season, why couldn't Pogba or Morrison get game time last season, and don't mention the hour of game time Pogba got. The same happened with Phil Jones! Why did he get to play in midfield ahead of our home grown talent? I have a huge problem with this willingness to start players such Jones, Rooney, Ronaldo, Keane, Smalling, etc. But not letting our most talented home grown youngsters have a go at such a young age, with the exception of Giggs.

Percy

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Honestly? I think SAF has lost a touch of his bottle when it comes to younger players. The players you mentioned were brought in for the future but because of the fees paid for each player, he was under a certain amount of obligation to give them game time. He would have told them they would get game time when signing them, where as the younger players coming through carry lower, if any, fees so there is no pressure for them to play. I agree that there was no excuse not to play Pogba. The lads agent is a greedy waste of space but if Pogba goes to Juventus then SAF only has himself to blame. Had SAF sent him out on loan then I am in no doubt that the lads apetite for first team football would have been met and he would have stayed at the club. Unfortunately he was consigned to reserve team football and Pogba must be questioning whether the same will happen this season if he signs a new contract.

TK-Red

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"why couldn't Pogba or Morrison get game time last season"

Because Pogba wouldn't commit his future to the club and Ravel kept committing crimes. Powell is committed to our club and he has not committed crimes.

Sydney!

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TK, listen to Ed002 when he says Pogba's decision to leave United has nothing to do with playing time or wages. Pogba's reps have been trying to get him away from OT and SAF's influence since last summer. Us giving him a loan move would have played right into the hands of Mino Raiola. Instead of distancing Pogba from OT the manager brought him into the first team a year ahead of schedule, promoted him to the first team to train with the senior staff and that still wasn't good enough for him. This has nothing to do with the manager and if you open your eyes you will see that he has done his best to try and keep the boy. The more Pogba played, the more interest other teams would have had in him. Surely you can see the difficult position the manager was in?

Sydney!

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Syd!

I see the way SAF dealt with Pogba and think that because he froze him out and played other non CM'ers before him that would of done nothing but damage to his thoughts of staying. Had we shown faith in what he can do for us and gave him game time from the beginning of the season then we would have strengthened our hand rather than weaken it. Also if he did leave even after a season of involvement with us then surely that would contribute to an increase in the compo we would receive if he did move. So imo it would have been win-win whatever he decided.

SAF has been very funny with a few decisions in the first team recently. From not trusting in youth as much to holding on to players for far to long. Old age brings a need for security and maybe he feels keeping the likes of Nev (till he decided he couldn't carry on), Park (who had to be persuaded to sign a new deal as he thought he would not be up to the top level of football), Evra (who we can see is a shadow of his former self), Giggs (playing in CM so we have his exp on the pitch), etc is more a necessity than a luxury.

All are legends at the club but I find it rather unnerving the blind faith SAF seems to continually put in those players to perform against the worlds best.

Jono

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The answer is simple ,both boys were not good enough , you would have thought a lad the size of Pogba could and should of had game time in our midfield being so poor, i remember one game we were down to the bare bones so we played Rafael while Pogba sat on the bench, if he was any good age means nothing if your good enough your old enough,People get carried away on this site without ever having seen him or Morrison play just odd clip here and there,SAF has watched them very closly and something must be missing for two midfielders not to have played when its the one department where we so badly lack in.So a strapping 6 foot 2 fit young man cant get a game ahead of two ageing prize fighters and a young rash fullback the answer is simple not good enough.John the big fisherman

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You are overlooking the main reason these yougsters did not get game time
it was called 'INJURIES'
ARB

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My eyes are wide open Syd! I just dont agree with you.

TK-Red

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Jono, but that's just it my friend, Pogba's reps have been hawking him around Europe since last summer. The club and especially SAF would have been well aware of what Pogba's team were trying to do and what their long-term goal was in regards to their cash cow (Pogba). His previous reps knew they needed to get Mino on board as SAF would have been too strong for them and too persuasive for Pogba. Pogba was always going to be pulled away from the club and I believe the manager thought he would have had a better chance of keeping him by not showing the world what he can do by playing him week in, week out. I think the manager wanted to give him tasters of what to expect, but also not show RM, Barcelona etc what kind of talent he is. I could be wrong, but I genuinely believe Pogba was always leaving and SAF was fighting a losing battle. How many times did the manager say on live TV that PP was a first team player and the player knows this is where he should be. I do not blame the manager for this, however I do worry that Mino Raiola will get another one of our youth talents. I hope the club is prepared this time and they make sure the contracts are water tight.

Sydney!

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John...all I can say is having watched him play your wrong on pogba. I promise you here and now that if he isn't in the top 10 cm's in the world in 5 years I will give you £100 quid!

I'm guessing you've never seen him play. Ask anyone on here who has, and they'll all say the same. The kid is something special!

It won't happen but I'm praying he signs a new contract and if he did I for one would consider it the best signing we could make this summer.

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When will people get it in there head that Pogba hasn't moved because of game time because he is never getting a game at Juventus with the amount of midfielders ahead of him in that team. He moved for MONEY

fearny

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It makes me laugh how some supporters believe they know better then SAF. He works with these players day in and day out, if they don't get game time it's for a reason. I'll tell you one reason (apart from their experience and class) is that they all have loyalty to the club and the manager rewards this.

How would it look to all the young lads if Pogba was given a lot of game time after shouting off about leaving, what example would that set?

Red Joe

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Red Joe

While I don't doubt that SAF knows the player inside out I would just like to point out that he in fact doesn't take the team training sessions these days, preferring instead to work from his office rather than the training ground like younger bosses such as Pep Guardiola and Mourinho, so maybe SAF just doesnt make the same impression on younger players these days as he might seem out of touch with them.

Flimbo

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Funny how your views have changed Sidney as you were telling everyone that Pogba and Morrison were the future of the club right up til Oct or Nov. When people suggested making signings you said we only needed a couple of players to complete the transition, now I see you list 6 or 7 signings we need
Hindsight, what a wonderful thing.

keanooh

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Red Joe

As Flimbo has pointed out unless the camera's are there SAF is in his office for the majority of the training. Even Pique said not to long ago that was SAF's style and that would have been over 5 years ago.

If we had played Pogba and the whole world took notice maybe we would have thought twice about stumping up for the agent fees for this one case and his development in the first team would act as a reason why he warranted a bit of special treatment.

All who watched the youth and rezzies could see his difference in class hence the reported best contract offer for a lad at his stage in his career. But as Syd and Ed002 are saying its maybe not all to do with wages or game time so it could possibly have been the case his mind was almost made up to move a while back. I still believe that had we not frozen him out late last year that would have helped our chances instead of hindering them.

Jono

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"why couldn't Pogba or Morrison get game time last season."

Followed by:

"The same happened with Phil Jones! Why did he get to play in midfield ahead of our
home grown talent?"

Ah yes, I remember watching a young Paul Pogba kicking a ball around the streets of Gorton!

Ports

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I would question the selection of Park and Rafael in central midfield for the Blackburn home game. It was mid season at home against a side that was eventually relegated. If SAF didn't trust Pogba to play in that game then it does leave a few questions open. When I watched the reserves Pogba definitely had talent but didn't dominate games as much as I would have expected him too. Maybe just maybe he believed he was better than he really is just a little too early.

There is a question though about why our youth players don't get much chance in the first team whist ageing players who are notably slowing like Park Scholes and Giggs are given time. There are plenty of examples of players who are the same age as our youth who are playing in their clubs first team and even their country team yet our youth has not even made the first team. I am not clear why

Red Man

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People say he left because of money and that may have been a major factor but what is for sure is that SAF made the decision much easier for the lad. If he were playing more regular first team football and Juve came in with their big money offer, then Im not so sure he would be on his way. It would certainly have given him more to think about. By not selecting Pogba for such games as Blackburn at home etc, SAF made it much easier for Raiola to bend Pogba's ear.

TK-Red

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Exactly TK

We made it harder for ourselves whether through SAF stubbornness or he thought it would work as a bit of reverse psychology I don't know but I believe we defo made it harder by doing so.

Jono

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Fair play lads, but according to the editor he was always going to leave regardless of playing time or salary. I just hope the player comes out in the future and says he made a big mistake.

Have to love you and leave you as I can hear at least 15 double Jack Daniels and Coke's calling my name and a few ciders to get me going ;)

Sydney!

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How can people question fergie about not playing him enough. When it comes to young players he gets the timinng right. Giggs,Both Nevilles,Beckham,Scholes,Butt,Rooney,Ronaldo,Cleverley,Welbeck,Jones,Evans,Smalling,Chicharito the list goes on and on he doesnt get it wrong and when the time is right he gives them a chance and they have to take it and Morrison couldn't against Aldershot and Pogba didnt really impress him enough to keep giving him a game

fearny

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22 Jun 2012 19:18:38
Any ideas who could be the new number 7.

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Ed 007 is nailed on lol
ARB {Ed007's Note - After King Eric even I am not worthy of that mate, I wouldn't dare sully it with my Neil Ruddockesque footballing skills. I was once sent off by the referee showing me the back of a Monopoly card, that is my claim to fame.}

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22 Jun 2012 19:02:37
Vids and pic of Kagawa. OFFICIAL. Who's next?

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Modric
Martinez
and done..

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Modric - Madrid,
Martinez - Buyern Munich
and ....bugger

Red Joe

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It is a shame that we missed out on marvellous marvin martin... or we could have signed the 3 of them...lol...

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And we could get Marilyn Manson to do a new club song, Mickey Mouse as the mascot and the Minogue sisters to replace the twins!

Flimbo {Ed007's Note - WTF are you watching you sick, sick man!!!!}

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I'm not watching anything mate, that's the sort of genius that floats around the universe of knowledge that is my mind :-)

Flimbo {Ed007's Note - Better than what floats about in Malcolm and his Kids mind mate, he has just threatened me with his dad!!!!!!!!!}

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22 Jun 2012 18:54:26
btw, congratulations kagawa is official now
DJ

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22 Jun 2012 18:20:04
no insider news just my thoughts. fryers to spurs rumours that levy wants nani, could it be it is bale who we are going to sign not modric.

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22 Jun 2012 17:48:35
------------DDG------------

Rafa---Vida-----Chris---Alba

-------Sahin--Carrick-------

Valencia--Kagawa--Rodriguez

----------Rooney-----------

Alba (IF POSSIBLE) 12m
Sahin 17m
Kagawa 15m
Rodriguez 21m
Powell
TOTAL: 69m

Nani 25m
Berba 6m
Kiko 4m
Ando 8m
TOTAL: 43m

I have no problem with Nani, i think he performs fairly well. However, he's not going to get better, and i think the 25m or hopefully the 30m mark will be the peak of his price in his career, so i would sell.

That would mean that with a young and improved side we would have spent about 25m over the summer, and by my maths, that's good value.

Anyone else be happy with this team for the start of next season?

MelonRed

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22 Jun 2012 18:15:39
Modric is looking increasingly unlikely now that all the arrows point to Madrid (as can be expected)

Think we need 2 maybe 3 signings and we should have enough depending on how much are neighbours spend.

First position that needs strengthening speaks for itself really... CM. I think the two main targets we should be looking at are Nuri Sahin and Yohan Cabaye. Sahin was excellent for Borrusia Dortmund but has never really had the chance at RM and as such seems to be on the way out. Wouldn't cost a bomb and looks talented at either end of the pitch. The other option Cabaye has had an excellent season for Newcastle and has carried that form on and been excellent at the Euro's, he is also good at both ends of the pitch and has proven himself in the Premier League which is a big positive. He would be the more expensive of the two as they will ask for ridiculous money for him.

The second signing needs to be a left back. Fryers seems to be on his way out (don't know why) and with Fabio going out on loan we only have Patrice Evra as we all will agree probably had his worst season in a Man Utd shirt to date. Don't see many options available but the names that keep appearing are Baines,Alba, and Willems. Can't see Alba joining as he is from Catalunia and would never turn down Barcelona. Baines to me isn't up to Man Utd standard and that leaves Willems. The youngest of the three and has looked out of his depth at the Euro's but would improve playing at Man Utd without doubt. And would provide back up to Evra.

Finally the third in my opinion depends on whether it is all talk about Nani or whether Fergie is actually serious about selling him. Only one replacement for me and that is Rodriguez, young very talented and will provide a good balance to the team as we would have an express pace winger with a left foot in the team.

My choices: Sahin,Willems,Rodriguez.

Team 2012/2013

De Gea

Rafael Evans Vidic Evra

Carrick Sahin

Valencia Kagawa Rodriguez

Rooney

FEARNY

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22 Jun 2012 18:01:26
Modric seems a done deal to Madrid. Another target of ours lost to another club. This is getting ridiculous. The list is endless of players who chose other destinations to United, and the only real question is why I still allow my hopes to be raised when the inevitable loss of the player to Madrid/Barca/City/Chelsea, etc has been the only consistency of our transfer movement in recent years. Manchester will never be as sunny as Barcelona, but certainly this has to be seen as a serious flaw in SAF's record. People keep talking about finishing tied on points with City, but forgetting that we were given the easiest CL group Ive ever seen and managed to finish third. Improvements are desperately needed, and while Kagawa is a step in the right direction, it's not enough on its own....KG

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Done deal to Madrid? Why?

REDFAITH

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"only real question is why I still allow my hopes to be raised"
Yes. It's a frustration that United fans haven't been used to over the last twenty odd years but it's reality now.

M.D.

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Because the Daily Fail said so of course. How often are they wrong?

Ste-Utd

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Many clubs have many targets. Modric isn't just a 'target of ours', he is a target for a number of clubs. Over the years we have tried to sign Ronaldinho, Gazza, Shearer, Batistuta, Rui Costa, Ronaldo, in fact the list goes on. We are still doing ok aren't we?
Life goes on...

Whistler.

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22 Jun 2012 17:22:07
anyone think mbaye niang would be a good player ? young, full of potential, perhaps a replacement for will keane in the reserves now hes injured.
sparky

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22 Jun 2012 17:04:28
kenooh on your formation style question mate, Dont know precisely on formation....thats fair guesswork from most of us, but style wise....

the type of players bought Kagawa Petrucci and other players of thaT type within the youth set up,

the advancement of Cleverly and Welbeck and the buying of Young in terms of link up play and interchanging,

in some ways the continued faith in Anderson and Park and Nani who in pre season last year were all linking up very well with Young and rooney, even beating a barcelona team, in a closer together faster paced interchanging linking up one touch one twos style of play which produced some barcelonaesque goals. preseason last year was the biggist clue to where we are trying to head.

then clevs got injured Anderson too and back to same ole same ole, the buying of kagawa should prevent that happening so easily again.

throw in berbas agent saying why we want rid of him

its more about style than formation as its never static anyway especially with the right personell.

Im really looking forward to the football next season.

..constantine..

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Agreed Cons

I think we seen a preview against Sunderland where we played a similar 'style' of faster attacking play mixed with a bit of inter change. The system I am sure was set up 4-2-3-1.

Hopefully this is the likely move from 4-4-2 and with Kagawa, Powell in along with us targeting a deep lying play maker then that is more evidence of a system and style change.

Also hows the move gone?

Jono

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22 Jun 2012 14:21:26
Is it possible that United are interested in Genoa and Portugal midfielder Miguel Veloso, who would be a great replacement for Scholes in my opinion, Veloso is underrated by many, but with his impressive appearences in euros, is it likely that Utd will sign him ?

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He was poor last night lost possesion on numerous occasions not good enough,we looked at him a couple of years ago
johndenton

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Maybe a few years ago i would of liked him but now he looks lazy slw and lathargic i would love Moutinho but were talking 25-30million so highly unlikely

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22 Jun 2012 15:51:35
I think Sahin would be a great shout. Cheaper option to modric and excelled in a good dortmund team. His passing range is very good and is comfortable in the tackle. He is also a standard CM and not a CAM or CDM. The only question I ask is his energy levels and also would fergie be willing to admit in getting a madrid reject?

Also on the rodriguez topic, he is a very bright talent but its suggesting we would have to pay more for him than what we actually might get for Nani (if its his replacement). IMO I would be happy to keep Nani but I do question his consistency. Either way im content

dec

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See if madrid would accept 20m for sahin and gago we get two quality additons they get most of the funds to pursue modric
win win all round

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22 Jun 2012 14:51:04
Eds, how much does it actually affect team spirit when a load of new players are linked with us?

Do you think they will be excited that new faces will be coming in or scared they will lose out playing time?

1redarmy {Ed007's Note - I think it will depend on the individual player's standing in the squad. Young players and players on the fringe might see it as a threat to their game time whereas players like Rooney will see it as the squad/team is improving.}

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22 Jun 2012 14:49:23
Guillem Balague on Twitter said that PSG and United have lodged bids for Modric. He also said that Real Madrid were interested, claiming their interest in Silva was a smokescreen, and that Madrid will meet with Spurs and Modric's reps next week.

Also he tweeted that we ARE interested in Jordi Alba but thinks that his move to Barca is too far along to collapse now, they only have to agree a fee with Valencia.

MattL

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Sorry for my poor knowledge of the matter but who is he?
someone important?
DJ {Ed007's Note - In his own mind he is VERY important.}

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This is the same bloke who in 2006 said we were nailed on to sign torres,not saying hes wrong all the time but it seems he thinks he knows more than he does.

phil

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To be fair to him, he confirmed the De Gea deal very early in 2012 and when it comes to Spanish clubs he does have some good sources. You might know him as the Spanish guy that always does Sky Sport's La Liga coverage.

MattL {Ed007's Note - The De Gea deal very early in 2012? Not that bloody quick is he?}

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Balague is so far up his own ass, he can see the food come down his throat.

G.A.G.U.S

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Ha... Ed sometimes they just walk right into it.

TK-Red

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22 Jun 2012 14:23:23
Regarding United's need for a creative center-midfielder, do you truly believe United has interest in pursuing Luka Modric for transfer? Personally, I believe Modric can be the creative "engine" that drives United to titles in the EPL and UCL.

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22 Jun 2012 14:08:30
We should be going for Sahin if possible. He's the type of player who will leave Madrid and instantly double his value when he gets a chance to prove his worth.
SqueakyBum

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Great player but injury problems did him no favours last season. If he's 100% I'm shocked Madrid would be looking to offload him/sign a replacement. I think AC Milan have been mentioned in relation to him in the past, and I'm sure plenty of clubs would want him.
He'd be my ideal signing just as he was last season. Not sure what our chances are though.

M.D.

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22 Jun 2012 09:43:33
Let's say for arguments sake Luka Modric doesn't end up at at OT who do you guys/Eds think we will be looking at in that position instead, if anyone?

Welsh Red

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Cabaye has to be next on the list.

Jono

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Seems like Cabaye and Sahin are our pick at the moment and could both be great players. I would like to see one of them but I feel Fergie has a few suprises up his sleve just yet.

1redarmy

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Next on the list? Nobody.

You can quote this word for word, come the end of the window:

GILL/SAF
"We had a target in mind, one or two targets actually, and we made our interest known but sadly the player chose a different club. We're happy with the squad we have, we've brought in a great player in Kagawa and Powell's one for the future."

Some fans on this forum:
"We WERE interested in Modric and Hazard, we bidded £X, so we do have money, SAF just won't blow it on second choice once first choice has gone elsewhere, good on him, the Ronaldo money will be used when appropriate."

In other words, pretty much a word for word account of last summer's events.

RED_SKY

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You must be a bundle of laughs to drink with ;)

Sydney!

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AKA RED_RAG

Whistler.

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22 Jun 2012 11:26:49
For the last few weeks, it has felt as though we were getting closer and closer to signing Modric, but now it seems as though we are further away than ever. Madrid seem to be all over him and I think that he will choose to go to Spain, its probably also the only place that Levy will let him go when you think about it.

So if Modric is out of the equation which is very possible, then we will have to look at other options. Who are they? Well I would say that Cabaye and Moutinho are the two best options out there, I also think that the Fernando Gago rumour has legs as it makes perfect sense. I say it makes sense because he is cheap, got a bit of quality and more importantly his price tag wouldnt command a start. SAF has said many a time that we don't always need that defensive midfielder, just in some games. He'd be very effective in a midfield 3 in big games. I'd say for under £10 million, he is better value and less risk than a move for a Strootman or an M'Vila.

And in terms of a flair player/technical player, Cabaye is the best option out there i feel, he also has plenty of bite to his game and his handy on the set plays. He is the complete package. Moutinho is the second best option, but he is not quite as tough as Cabaye but he would be marginally cheaper. Probably £15 million for Moutinho and £20 million for Cabaye would be realistic prices. If we were able to get Cabaye for £20 million and Gago for £10 million, our midfield would be in much better shape than before. We'd then have options of:

Carrick (Deep)
Cleverly (Box2Box)
Gago (Deep)
Scholes (Playmaker)
Cabaye (Playmaker)
Fletcher (Box2Box)
Giggs (Playmaker)

We could also have Anderson and possibly Pogba if he makes a U-Turn. But that midfield looks quite decent with a good balance of passers/playmakers and then those with a bit of bite.

The other point is about Rodriguez and Nani. I'm very much hoping that Rodriguez comes in and Nani stays. At present, we have Nani and Valencia who are very strong on the right, on the left we have Young who is good and Nani who is not as effective out there. So you could say that we have a very strong right flank, and a weaker left flank. With Rodriguez our left flank with Young and Rodriguez would be strong, but we'd have no cover on the right if Valencia left as Rodriguez and Young are pretty ineffective out there. In essence we'd be strengthening one side and weakening the other which makes no sense.

With the rumours that are circulating, we could be looking at spending upwards of £60 million with Kagawa, Powell, Henriquez, Rodriguez, Gago, Cabaye coming in, and possibly a left back as well. We would need some return from players, Berbatov could fetch £6-7 million, Anderson could be used in a deal for Rodriguez, Park could get us a couple of million, Pogba a bit of compensation as well as a few young players leaving. So money would be there i think.

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Evra
_______Cabaye__Carrick
Nani_______Kagawa____Rodriguez
___________Rooney

That doesn't look half bad to me with plenty of options like Fletcher, Scholes, Gago, Valencia, Young, Welbeck etc to come in.

RedDevil19RedDevil19

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The only turn Pogba will be making is a j'U'ventus turn or a 'U'dinese turn.... Haha..ha... Sorry...

1redarmy

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Someone posted earlier in the week that if we loss out on modric we would go for Cabaye & M'Vila instead...

these 2 would be fantastic signings.....

M'Vila instead of Carrick in RedDevil19 lineup would be a fantastic 11 and cover all aspects...

Oxred

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New name or error lol ?

JK92

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22 Jun 2012 11:02:19
Could one of the 'informed posters' that keep saying we are changing style / formation next year tell me on what information they post with such authority.
When I last looked we had signed one young player with immense ability and potential who may get the odd first team game and also one definite first team player. So SAF is going to change his whole system of playing just because we have signed Kagawa, I don't think so. SAF has always believed in playing two wide players so I think it will be a case of Kagawa fitting into our formation rather than changing the system because of one signing.
Most of these posters who submit their likely formations omit the likes of Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and in particular Welbeck to suit our 'new style'. SAF has been very vocal on how good he things Welbeck is and how good he will become, so I don't think he will completely change our playing system resulting in Welbeck being left out.
I look forward to hearing where I can read that SAF has said he will change our playing style next season. Please don't quote signings we are linked with as a source, as using that argument would result in at least 15 - 20 new signings if I beleived everything I read.

Keanooh

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Keanooh
dont forget most of these people also leave valencia out even tho his a firm favourite of fergys
jred

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22 Jun 2012 08:51:02
More reports saying Madrid are to offer 30mil for modric I can see him going, any chance united could go for cabaye would be a class signing IMO

Edds what do you reckon?


Dwright

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22 Jun 2012 08:21:45
Baines has said he's happy at Everton. He won't move Better to stick with Wvra and get someone young in instead.

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Isn't it true that Everton have no money? They may be forced to accept a fee in order to bring in new faces.
Baines may be pressured into moving and Old Trafford isn't exactly hard to resist.
Not entirely convinced we'll go for him but it wouldn't be a bad signing.

M.D.

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No way, we have young players at the club already, we need a world class player to come in and make Evra fight for his place cos he was terrible at times last season and should have been dropped but wasnt as nobody else was deemed to be good enough.

Flimbo

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Ok ?cause a world class player wants to sit on the bench and wait for evra to have a bad game and be possibly number 2 choice lb ? I personally would expect to be one of the first on the team sheet every game if I was "world class" DISNEY !

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No if he's world class then Evra would be on the bench of course! keep up Dizzy, I mean Disney

Flimbo

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22 Jun 2012 07:42:01
SAF and Harry Redknapp have been good friends and Redknapp infact asked SAF before signing Yakubu from a club from Israel. In the transfer market a team does every possible thing to snap a player.
Why not requesting Harry Redknapp to change bale's mind for a move to old trafford?

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That's just silly, do you honestly think United would need to utilize the fact that Harry has Bales' number in his phone to sound him out about a move to Old Trafford? Its the agents you need to be dealing with, they're the ones who can get into the players heads, remember the Rooney situation? the same thing happened with Rio a few years ago as well. The agents are the ones who paint the best picture for the players otherwise they wouldn't exist!

Flimbo

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It's nothing to do with changing Bale's mind. We don't want him as Spurs want stupid money for a very over rated player.
SqueakyBum

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22 jun 2012 07:38:31
how good were moutinho and veloso yesterday..... loads of talent!

redcore!

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Veloso was slow, do not want. Moutinho looked good though I agree.

Sanshine

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22 Jun 2012 07:28:40
Modric will be off to Madrid as daniel levy has previosly insisted that he wont sell him to premier league club. Alcantara has featured for almost 40plus games for barca and people say he may leave for lack of games.IMO with the likes of xavi,iniesta,busquets and Fab, 40 games for 21 year old is an achievement. So i dont see him leaving unless he his offered a good salary.

In reality,SAF will never wish to sell player like Nani coz on his day he is simply outstanding.. how can we forget the screamer against chelsea and his cheaky little chips? Rodriguez and Gaitan are possible because united have to offload ando and with some millions involved it can be a good deal.

Baines has always been on SAF's radar on priority but the asking price can ruin the deal. I believe we will sign him but it will take time as we all know he has all the qualities we are looking for. A low profile player, good in crossing and never gives up untill the last minute which gives him a good chance to be at O.T.

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21 Jun 2012 22:27:32
Is there any chance of us ever bringing ronaldo back. What do the eds think:

united4life97 {Ed007's Note - I can't see it.}

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He's recently said he wants to end his career at Real Madrid. Shame though...

Red Joe

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Get over the Ronaldo thing....it's history!
Jesus, it's getting as annoying as the Wesley Sneijder story now.
Stop living in the past, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

Simmo

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That's a bit of an over reaction Simmo, people are allowed to ask questions and tbh I hardly ever see posts about Ronaldo coming back on this forum. Calm down mate........

CnM

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21 Jun 2012 23:39:24
Unbelievable! i've missed 2 transfer windows now on our Sun Dream Team League :(

DB-Red

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HA HA

G.A.G.U.S

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