Manchester United Banter Archive April 23 2014

 

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23 Apr 2014 22:01:00
Many may disagree with me but I fail to see the hype in Toni Kroos. Not in the same league as our very own Paul Scholes, nowhere near IMO

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He didn't have a great game, perhaps he's unsettled :)

Lets hope so, good night lads and ladies.

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Yeah agree he's knowhere near scholes standard but very few are though so that's no bad thing. would still love kroos at united though, think he's an outstanding talent. luka modric was awesome tonight for real madrid.

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Kroos or Modric for me - we need someone that is happy to get up and down the pitch and is an excellent passer. Van Gaal if he comes in likes to see a lot of the ball so these kinds of players are important.

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There is no Keane Scholes Eric. Etc we have get the next best thing not Carrick. ETC.

We love history but to go forward we have to embrace the now and future. Pgoba and Morrison would have sorted us out.

But that's past.

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23 Apr 2014 21:27:31
I do hope Giggsy brings himself on in one of the final games, imagine Scholes holding up a mirror and Giggs giving himself instuctions prior to coming on! haha. Stupid I know, but would funny.

RD

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23 Apr 2014 21:49:53
Now, that'll be funny. Lol. Does Giggs still qualify to play though?

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I would imagine so mate, he's a registered squad player :)

RD

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He should pick himself for every game

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23 Apr 2014 21:01:58
This summer is massive, and will determine the future of our club, it seems LVG is our man, I'd suspect the job was offered to him a while a go, but in terms of transfers we need to get deals done before the World Cup witch is going to be hard with LVG at holland, I'm hoping its a case of Manchester United going out and getting deals done for him, we can't afford to wait, shaw would be a great signing as would William carvalho, but where these moyes targets? I guess time will tell, would like to wish moyes luck for the future tho, he is a good guy and dint deserve half the abuse he got,

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23 Apr 2014 20:45:58
I looks like we have a bandwagon forming that will replace the Snidjer one. So, does anyone else think we will sign Strewtman?

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I asked Alf and he said that Strewtman is a flaming galah.

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I think there are many better players than struteman out there, although he was spotted viewing houses in Urmston, so you never know.

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23 Apr 2014 20:31:23
Ive heard Januzaj has chosen to play for Belgum.

RD

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23 Apr 2014 20:10:47
Eds, I had a post on the banter page that has been deleted. May I ask why, not sure what rules were broken?

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{Ed002's Note - No. Editorial decisions are final.}

Editorial decisions being final is fine but I don't find it unreasonable to ask why. On that note I think I'll impose a self-enforced ban till, hopefully, things get back to normal, if they ever do. If not good luck everyone and, like you I'll be cheering us on I've really enjoyed my 18 months posting here and much longer reading. Be safe.

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{Ed002's Note - It is up to you man - all of the bollocks has gone to the Other page, but it won't settle until Manchester Unite sack the Roy Keane/Paul Furlong dream team as joint managers.}

23 Apr 2014 19:36:57
Now there is a real opportunity to build a better future. For too long United have been run on sentimental decisions, emotional speeches, hype, comments based on sentiment, we don't want his type, support your new manager, we are United we don't sack managers, we do things differently. It is time to put sentiment to one side and make good logical football decisions that cement the building blocks for the clubs long term future.
Sentiment puts Giggs in charge immediately when he has no experience. Being logical we need to build a club structure that gives us the ability to appoint a coach like Giggs rather than the all powerful manager and then find very few can cope at that level. It is too soon to put a coach in charge, yet. Sentiment means people want the stability of twenty years when that was actually exceptional. So we need to define the clubs style and build a support structure not just for one coach from within but a structure that gives the opportunity for more to grow at the club. That isn't going to come from appointing Giggs and hoping it works. This will come from appointing a top manager who will put a structure in place and define the football we will play, we know our identity our style but instead of relying on finding a manager who will retain it let's ensure it is enshrined in the ethos of everything we do. I am not suggesting Van Gaal, but I read how he wrote out what Cruyff had suggested for Barca, enshrining it almost.
The club now needs to establish the candidates and their ability to deliver the restructure of the club, find out what their vision is and will they embrace developing their coaches, establishing a succession plan. That for me is when we decide which candidate to choose, we shouldn't look for someone to just be here for twenty years, we need a shaper and a developer as well as someone with vision. He also needs to stabilise where we are, inspire players but demand respect. He needs to understand what it takes to win, that goes without saying but select him based on the delivery of the change needed to the club whilst delivering a winning team. There are some good candidates and so there should be, this offers a fantastic opportunity for someone not just to manage, to win but to be the architect of the new United. SAF managed the club brilliantly but we were not ready to change, now perhaps we are and it needs to give us the ability to be more seamless in change. The new manager shouldn't be selected for longevity but for a visionary and inspirational leader. There are two or three candidates and I am excited at the prospects now.

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When you say we have been run on sentiment for 'too long' do you mean >10 months? The 20 years previous we were winning things so sentiment didn't need to come into it.

Sir Matt and Sir Alex were both given time to create a winning team. that's not sentiment either, its allow someone the time to make the changes required.

BR had an unspectacular first year with Liverpool and perhaps LFC are about to be rewarded for their patience.

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The problems Moyes' had went deeper than just the results on the pitch. If half of what I have read was going on behind the scenes, United, as a club, seems in a bit of a mess. Of course, it can all be rectified very quickly. That said: some of the players' who showed so much blatant disrespect, should be outed in the summer. I suspect most will.

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Sentiment has run through us for years. Simple example, It is Old Trafford not the Theatre of Dreams

The time argument, Sir Alex was given time to create a winning team because he had earned it from his CV. If LFC are about to be rewarded for anything it was being decisive about Hodgson

Move on, look forward and we now have the chance to progress the club on a football basis

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I agree the way forward should be for the club to have a structure similar to how it works in holland where the future manager works his way through the clubs coaching system. Gaining plenty of coaching experience, this also gives them chance to work with the youngsters at the club so they kno weather they should be able to make the step up. Continuity doesn't have to mean 10, 15, 20 years of the same manager. This approach gives continuity.

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I agree about the structure being changed so that so much on the club doesn't fall on the manager, but this is a big change that doesn't happen overnight.

Red Man, there is sentiment at every club, of course. Your original post said that we had been 'run' on sentiment for too long, which is not the case.

LFC might well have been 'decisive' with BR if they hadn't paid off Benitez and gone through Dalgleish and Hodgson in relatively quick succession.

Move on, but don't be blind to the unsavory aspects of this season that extend beyond the results. We might well be having similar conversations with frequency from now on, depending on results.

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With this team we will have a worse season next year. It will come down to how much we spend and who comes in and maybe even more importantly which players are sent packing.

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23 Apr 2014 15:59:04
Any chance of Scholes, Giggs, Butt and Neville (P) making an appearance for the team? can't be much worse than some displays this year LOL.

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23 Apr 2014 15:40:03
Hi ed, is my ban fully lifted? I have sent in numerous posts and replies today but none have been posted yet. Just wondering if I'm not allowed to post yet.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I have not been around much, but you can acceot that from now until you piss me off again the ban has been lifted.}

Edd002, very funny mate the bans' also right to do them, will cut out a lot of b*ll

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Is there a standard period of suspension. Perhaps you could adopt a card system, two yellows and you're off?

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Is there a standard period of suspension. Perhaps you could adopt a card system, two yellows and you're off?

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{Ed002's Note - How about I ban you and then you see how long it lasts? Then you can come back and share that information.}

Given that you are in control that, it would be at your whim. Be sure to issue a warning before you eject me from the game though.

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I reckon pip should receive a very lengthy ban for seriously poor posting and questioning your disciplinary procedure. Give him a "Cantona" suspension.

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Fresh is not the Messiah, he is just a very naughty boy

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23 Apr 2014 14:08:05
Hi ed2,
Just wondering, I know you did a long post a while back about players we have shown interest in do you now think, in your opinion, those areas of interest will have changed with a new manager coming in or does a club not work like that? Thanks in advance!

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{Ed002's Note - Some will and some won't.}

23 Apr 2014 13:08:00
Just had a chance to read the statement moyes released. Although he just couldn't make it work at united I've got a lot of respect for how he has conducted himself throughout and even with a dismissal as poor as his has been he can still only be positive about it and lays no blame on anyone and thanked all the people he worked with.

I really hope he can succeed with another team and I wish him good luck

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Moyes has always been a gentlemen - with every interview and press conference that I've listened too - it shows the type of character he is with this statement.

He could have easily came out all guns balzing critising everybody at the club but he has kept his class and dignity.

He is a good man and a good manager unfortunalty 'good' isn't enough for a club like united - one thing that did strike me was the lack of address to the players in the statement - maybe the players were never behind him from the get go and found it difficult to win them over - if this was the case then Keano is right in saying' they should be ashamed of themselves'

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23 Apr 2014 13:08:00
"lays no blame on anyone and thanked all the people he worked with"

Didn't notice any thanks for the players. many of them should be hanging their heads in shame. a lot acted like spoilt kids for his reign.get rid of a few of them as well, we know who they are.

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I was going to write something very similar myself I have a lot of respect for moyes with the way he has handled this whole thing while I agree that he had to be sacked it is embarassing how the club have behaved and handled the situation and hearing all the stories now coming out about how the players behaved he never stood a chance I just hope whoever comes in next boots these players out irrespective of who they are before we turn into chelsea it shouldn't of mattered who the manager was the players should of given their all and I hope by a few of them getting shipped out by the new manager the others will think twice before ever trying something like this again. Once again thankyou for your effort David Moyes you are a bigger man then me because I would of named and shamed every player that tried throwing a spanner in the works.

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Moyes is a good man and a good manager but he was just over his head at United. There is no easy way to fire someone, it's a nasty thing to have to do.

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Red79, best post I have read on here for a while. Cheers!

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Maybe we should all thank him for spending 27.5mill on a useless lump

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Red79, what are all these stories coming out about how the players behaved? And who is it that's coming out with it?

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Evening guys/girls.

Haven't posted for ages, but enjoyed the site none the less. I find it amusing how Fellaini gets so much stick on this site from the same people that were demanding we go out and sign him at the start of the 12/13 season when he had a blinder against us for Everton!

Thanks for all the hard work eds, especially Ed002 whom has kept me amused this past few days!

Steve

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Steve, to be fair myself, Red Man, Pardoe and one or two others said before he was even linked to MU that he wasn't a good fit. So far that has been proven to be correct. £27.5m for Fellaini was an obscene amount of money for him. That being said, he still has time to prove us all wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

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Syd you should have loads of splinters in your arse after all that fence sitting :)

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23 Apr 2014 12:10:51
Bet Wilfried Zaha feels a new sense of optimism about his united career now.

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No doubt. There's a lot of things being leaked now that Moyes is gone, like we expected. It turns out things were even worse behind the scenes than we could have imagined. The next manager needs to be someone who will not take any sh!te.

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23 Apr 2014 12:45:38
Agree Syd, next in an interview about it all with Moyes somewhere down the line he's going to say how he never had the backing from the players etc

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It's interesting that Moyes thanks everyone, accept the MU players.

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23 Apr 2014 16:57:31
Rightly so to be honest, they're the ones who have pet him down for 10 months and inevitably took away his opportunity at managing such a great club

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23 Apr 2014 10:38:03
If MU go for LvG, could he go for Pedro & Cesc? Barcelona can still trade and LvG does like these types of players. It would be instead of the likes of Reus/Griezmann and Kroos/Gundogan. Would be two great signings.

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23 Apr 2014 12:06:36
Add Alex Song to that list, 70m for the 3 anyone?

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{Ed002's Note - Pedro perhaps.}

Hi guys,

first of all feel sorry for moyes, but hey this is business.

I would be over the moon with Pedro or griezmann. but I think van gaal will go for a lil bit of dutch flavour in robben .

have a nice day guys

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Would still love to see Fabregas in a united shirt - I was gutted when it didn't go through last summer. After RVP and then Mata I don't bye the whole - we'll never get him etc if we produce the funds and a contract anyone is buyable lol

Sure reports on twitter that we are battling with PSG for Messi haha its on lads ;)

For me a summer of Shaw, Managla, Coleman, Fabregas, Pedro and Reus would be a dream - very far fetched but its the amount of changes we need - maybe another centre mid lol Vidal maybe

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Seems live Van Persie has been assisting/pressing for LvG, not that I am complaining. I would not be surprised if he has similarly been in Fabregas's ear about a move too with a bid going in for Strootman as well (even though currently injured).
Could we be seeing a front 6 of
Strootman
Fabregas
Kagawa-Mata-Reus
Van Persie

Rooney can interchange with Van Persie or he can move on and we keep Hernandez instead!

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In my eyes and in my opinion Huntelaar has always performed well for Holland while van Persie hasn't, " said van Gaal. "In the 4-3-3 system, with Arjen Robben on the left flank and [PSV Eindhoven's Luciano] Narsingh on the right, then I choose Huntelaar as striker.

"He gets my trust because, in my vision, he is still the best player"

They have since patched things up but I have no doubt van gaal will surprise and upset a few

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There was never an issue in the first place. Van Gaal has every right to choose whatever players he wants to play in games, if Huntelaar is playing better then he will play. That's football. He's the manager. Van Persie often spends the day with Van Gaal in their free time. They watch Dutch football together and I think they share an agent (could be wrong). They were together at the PSV/Feyenoord game and the Vitesse game. Van Persie is also very pally with Strootman and spends time with him too in their free time. Strootman is injured, but if LvG arrives, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Strootman becoming a future target. Isn't he the Dutch captain? Or captained a few times? So Van Gaal must rate him.

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Hoping it isn't van Gaal.Not much success of late, brings a bit of baggage, falls out with everyone wherever he goes. Would much prefer Ancellotti out of the managers being tipped at the moment. He would definitely steady the ship and tons of experience. A class act in my opinion.
Number One choice is still Klopp, he'd be magic with a bit of a budget.A real character.He would definitely need time to adjust but he would undoubtedly get the team playing in the style and tradition of our club.
Anyway, a lot depends on the next choice of manager, needs to be top class manager. I wonder how much say Ferguson will really have this time?

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Van gaal has a habit of up setting players rivaldo toni RVN to name a few.
Like I have said rvp kissed and made up but but many never.
He will upset and surprise a few if he gets the united job.
He lasted 3 year at barce, 6 month the second time 10 month as Td at ajax and 2 year at munich. He has said himself it takes 3to 4 year to apply his football philosophy .
At ajax he did an amazing job was given time to build the club from youth up, they had the best youth set up I have ever seen (not sure how much credit he can take from that ) .
If he gets the united job there will be changes imo and I think he will surprise a few.

I think he might get the job but I also think it could but another short and unstable stay ancellotti would be a much safer bet I would like loew

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I think he will get the job too, and I would prefer Ancelotti like you. We do need a manager with credentials. The MU players simply didn't respect Moyes so it was doomed from the start. LvG will be strict, he will upset a few, but they will respect him.

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I think there is more to it to be honest a lot of the senior players are about finished and if reports are true have undermined moyes.
That type of thing has happened before in the past at other clubs and united fergy for example just got rid
Dressing room power imo is never a good thing or you end up with j terry picking the manager.
I wonder if rio, evra will now get the new contracts they have recently been talking about or if giggs will get more playing time.

I hope a lot of it is paper talk

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Jred

SAF was able to get rid because he had demonstrated he had the stature before, it bought him that time. He made a comment about winning bought him time, it is a key point. I also think Moyes undermined himself but he has gone let's move on.
I am interested to see who comes in, if Klopp is out then Ancelotti would be my call, let's see.

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Redman
Take moyes out of the talk, the players still have a responsibility .
I don't see any good in dressing room cliques .
And it doesn't matter if it is j terry, messi or giggs .
If the players had the same attitude to a manger you liked I think you would be appalled it is not up to the players to decide which managers they will give a 100% for and which they wont.
I wonder if any of the players new they would be moved on and have had a sulk

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Jred

If a manager has the stature and experience they can deal with members of the team that cause issues. These situations can be difficult in all types of business but it does reflect badly on the manager if it is not handled well as in this case. It is unpleasant when there is disruption and a new higher stature manager will unlikely get it and will wheedle out subversive members where needed.

The difference in the players was the lack of motivation and possibly the unrealistic expectation from fans that we pay them all this money they should die for the cause. No the money makes them mercenaries but belief in a cause makes a team more unified, that belief comes from the manager. You can talk responsibility but the motivational mix needs far more than telling people what they must do

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Redman
You are fixated on moyes to the point you can't discuss any topic with out referring to him

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