Manchester United Banter Archive December 23 2012

23 Dec 2012 20:49:19
Spoiled little brats on this site. Top of the league, 5 game win streak, most goals in the league, everyone praising the partnership of Rooney and RVP, SAF is a genius...and then one of those off games and ppl start crying for heads? We didnt even lose the game. We are still top and every team has issues with form this season. What makes us so special? Be realistic, we dont have robots out there playing and they will have off days. We were very unlucky to not have scored.
If we follow the knowitalls on this site, we would buy everyone, and sell everyone. See why everyone couldnt be a manager? even the biggest names out there are not always on form.

Bernidre

Stop it now Bernidre! - your realism will see you hounded off this site !

StevieK

ps I love you man

23 Dec 2012 18:51:33
Our thoughts are with Van persie in this difficult time

Somethings are more important than football. I hope Ashley Williams gets a life ban

#PrayForVanPersie

Shak Attack (Liverpool Fan)

You should be praying for Liverpool right now, got beaten by Aston villa 3-1 and the same team get murdered 8-0.. what does that say for you?

-JakeW

Guess your vision must be blurred nearly 20 points behind.

We can still play poor & top the league.

Have another go :)

Moog

23 Dec 2012 18:44:34
Did anyone notice how the substitution ofvalencia changed the whole game. We were much better and could have won if Rooney was on form today.

No I didn't really notice that, Valencia going off meant young had to go on the right wing and he is no good over there.

I see on this site Valencia in the new hate figure as Carrick had a few good games and nani isn't playing. Why don't people get behind the players, Valencia is clearly out of form and if he is still like this in 2 months then fair enough, but give the guy a break, he hasn't had a proper run in the team and we know exactly what he can do and how good he can be.

GDS

GDS, good point. Somebody starts on a player and lots of others pile in. It's bizarre how Carric was hounded and now he's great. Valencia is struggling but some o fthe comments are way over the top.

AJH

23 Dec 2012 18:02:38
I don't really have to say anything, his performance said it all. The wasteful passing and losing of possession sums him up but he has got his big contract by holding us to ransom so he is ok and the media will always make excuses. Once again the Brand did nothing creative at all as the midfield was held together by Carrick. I will take all the abuse you want to give me when I say to bring Giggs and Scholes on was purely stupid and never going to bring a possitive result. If you are going to bring Chicho on don't take off a winger. There was no excuse for today Swansea were there for the taking and we dropped a valuable 2 points and eased the pressure on our neighbours. Fergie will do his usual and make all the talk about referee decisions and the ball being kicked at RVP's head but we all know and he will know he got it tactically wrong and we were very wasteful in front of goal. I AM KLOOT

Totally agree, bringing on Giggs and Scholes is literally saying "I give up"

-JakeW

Completely agree with you KLOOT. Today Fergie showed a lack of ambition. Powell should have been on the bench today. He would have been a more positive substitution. Evra continues to fustrate the Hell out of me. Buttner is youngish and will make mistakes but at least he has an excuse.

Mad Hatter

Kloot, Sir Alex has put out his 1st team, the one we have all been saying he needs to stick with, I fail to see where this is his fault. The players need to take some responsibility for the result. Rooney, Big V, Young, all had quiet game, yes Roo was the worst offender. You could see how annoyed he SAF was with some if the player's, mostly Rooney. The only change I think he got wrong at the time was Giggs instead of Wellbeck but in hindsight that was the right sub to make. The problem we have is 3 forward players vastly off form and it limts how we change it up front.

A bad day at the office for some players, that's all. Swans were there for the taking but all due respect, in the 2nd half they dug in and we couldn't break them down, fare do's.

Carrick was very good today.

Dishforth Red

Agreed Rooney and Clevs were crap Carrick was great and my man of the match and also thought Giggs was good that was my only disagreement with you Kloot

Pardoe

I thought we might struggle today and even lose the game, Swansea are a tough team to play at their place and we managed to have a lot more possession we were just very wasteful with it. Don't think many people will disagree Rooney was poor today, he played today like you have suggested he has played in every game this season. I suppose if you say it enough you will get it right one game.

The subs were a joke and the comments after the game sounded like they came from a man who is starting to seriously lose the plot. There is no doubt it my mind fergie is still the motivator he once was, but he is now tactically inept and is starting to sound like a very grumpy old man.

Giggs actually did ok today but how anyone in their right mind could think him instead of welbeck was the right decision is beyond belief. Lets hope we get back to winning ways in the 2 very winnable home games while city go and struggle at Norwich.

GDS

I am not sure if you have noticed Kloot, but every game we have played well in during the past year and half or won convincingly has had Cleverley in the team. Coincidence?

Spurs 3.0
Arsenal 8.2
Newcastle 3.0
Chelsea 3.2
City 3.2
City 3.2 (shield)
Arsenal 2.1

Sydney!

I'll give it to you - Rooney was poor by his standards today. Too many mis passes. He usually does enough positive stuff to outweigh the bad but not today.

I agree with most of what you said TBH, but Giggs actually did well when he came on in a wider position and I can remember a few bits of creativity from Cleverly off the top of my head 1) lovely through ball for Young to run onto 2) diagonal floated pass that RVP brought down in the box 3) bit of interplay on the edge of the box with RVP/Young

I thought Cleverly did OK but nothing inspirational. Rooney and Valencia both had a poor impact on the game IMO. Jones I'm a fan of but his composure and end product aren't always there in the attacking 3rd. I've always thought CB is his position and that hasn't changed

Gav

I meant play Buttner instead of Evra.

Mad Hatter

KLOOT..can i just ask you to give me your best XI out of the players we have at the minute, including those who are injured? I'm very eager to see how you could come up with anything different/better than what we've been using...

Andy!

Sydney are you cleverly in disguise?!

Absolutely agree with you Syd. Cleverley didn't have his best game but give the lad a break. His attributes are what is needed for fast pass and move football. I thought Wazza was shocking and really needs to focus. His passing was terrible. Perhaps he was hungover again ? Clevz would have been better if he'd had more support from Rooney.
PerthDave

Gav

1) lovely through ball for Young to run onto

I think that was Carrick not Cleverly

AJ

AJ - sh!t you're right. Hmmm, that kind of devalues my point! : )

Gav

23 Dec 2012 17:38:49
Watching chelsea shred villa. 6-0 and they have missed a ton of other chances. They might not be there this year but have got loads of young talent guys and a factory of good players on loan.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I will say it again and again. I feel the way forward in football is to play 4231 with a solid spine to the team. Look at last seasons champions league. 3 of the 4 semifinalists played this formation and Borrusia Dortmund who are my favourites for the Champions league are playing some fabulous football. Also Real Madrid won La Liga playing that formation, Dortmund won Bundesliga, City won the premiership and Chelsea won the champions league.}

8-0 with a penalty saved.

Mick

Villa kids were due a pasting, I just wished it was us that done it. We are due a scoreline like that. Arsenal was the last team to get a pasting from us.

Sydney!

23 Dec 2012 21:28:04
Yea, they might not be up there this year but they have a young talented team plus so many others on loan. Might be world beaters in a couple of years.

Ed004, I agree that it is the most balanced format today and most favored by many of the top teams.

The post was about Chelsea and their current squad and the fact that they are not far from being a top team. The way they spend money and knowing them they are a couple of signings away from a great team with a nucleus that is there for a number of years.

I would say they need a lot less players than we do to get there. One striker and someone like Fernandinho (spelling). They played some great football today and it was good to watch.

Shahram

I said similar to my mate, who's a Villa fan, Syd! I know they beat Liverpool but that Villa side has had a good hiding coming for a while, it was just a matter of when.

TK-Red

Shahram, only one team turned up for that game. When a team capitulates then the other team will take advantage. We will have a better idea of Chelsea when they play someone decent. So far they have played rubbish. Nordsjaelland, Monterry, Leeds & Villa are nothing to shout about. Corinthians beat them mind.

Sydney!

TK, Villa have been there for the taking for a while now, Chelsea took advantage of it. 18 months ago nearly all of this Villa team were the reserve side. After 3.0 their heads dropped and they just rolled over. Will be interesting to see how Chelsea do against a good side. I imagine they will win a League Cup this season and I expect them to be stronger next season with a striker, but they still need a few players as their senior squad is small.

Sydney!

23 Dec 2012 17:06:30
So Rooney has come out and publicly disagreed with our manager in regards to the Williams/RvP incident. Obviously feels angry about being subbed. Careful Wayne. Be interested to see if he plays against Newcastle now.

Sydney!

23 Dec 2012 17:21:53
I hope fergy comes out and apologises after that crazy outburst. Embarrassing to be honest Syd.

Stoner {Ed004's Note - I reckon if it was the other way around and it was Vidic driving the ball at someone form two yards away from behind when they have no idea they are about to get hit, the majority of opposition fans, and dare I say you as well Stoner, would be calling for the United player's head. Also I am sure that due to the fact it is RVP has done nothing to influence your opinion}

Rooney was awful today, he should be dropped, it's not like we don't have other strikers. If the rumors are true that we are signing the Polish lad then surely we are selling one of our current strikers.

23 Dec 2012 17:55:45
Ed004 It's easy to use the RVP card, Williams is a genuinely nice guy and it was apparent it was not meant but fergy was way over the top and it was uncalled for.

Stoner

It was certainly intentional, he didn't even flinch when the ball hit Robin.
I'm sure he would have apologized if it was unintentional.

Haven't heard Fergie yet, but I am sure he used this incident to draw attention away from his poor tactics, once more.
the only times he seems to get it right is when we play the strong teams.

I am afraid he doesn't even give proper tactical instructions in those games against "lesser" opposition.
I can still remember the disaster at the beginning of the season, when we obviously didn't even have a ranking on who should take penalty kicks.

Jonny8 {Ed001's Note - he did apologise, which is how RVP knew who to attack.}

Just saw Fergie's interview and he looked completely flustered. He said Rooney played poorly and that is why he took him off, I am assuming he is going to give him an earful.

Shahram

Shahram, you have said further down you didn't watch the game. I will go as far as to say Rooney had his worst game in a united shirt. Just one of them days, nothing came off and he looked frustrated. If fergie hasn't noticed that I would have given up!

GDS

Give Swansea some credit they scored as many as we did and deserved the point

GDS

I did not see the game but watched the highlights and SAF Interview on Sky and posted what he said. He looked all out of sort and quite frustrated.

I think fergie will get a fine because he basically said the ref was useless.


Shahram

23 Dec 2012 17:04:21
Feeling like we are missing Rafael, not to discredit Jones but Rafa is better of in that position, will he be back for the newcastle game? Also hoping to see Kagawa play soon!
RD27

23 Dec 2012 16:18:44
Jesus! Hopefully AF reconsidering his position on Nani because this rubbish with Valencia is painful!

Percy

23 Dec 2012 16:00:43
Manchester United should look at signing Zaha in the summer. We need a player with a few tricks in their locker, if we want to replace Nani.

Haven't seen Zaha play but there is a need for a player who can beat his man once in a while and create something. Too reliant on passing the ball around.

Maybe Valencia has lost it bc he doesn't have any competition for his position.

KB

United should look at signing ISCO and Sneijder and you would be amazed how good this team can be even with our deficiencies at LB and RW. For 30M we would have a legitimate chance of winning everything this year.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I think a left back should be our main investment this window.}

Zaha did score a belter yesterday.

-JakeW

Ed004 whilst I agree we need a left back, i don't agree to it being the most important come jan. When the first choice 11 is not working there is no midfield options and Giggs and Scholes just don't do it for me and have zero goals in them in terms of changing the game.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I can't think of any midfielders currently available though that would significantly improve the midfield. I feel if Witsel is available we should go all out to get him but Carrick has impressed me lately and he was very good today and I am not sure Witsel would do a better job than him in the team. I also feel Cleverley has been very good recently and we need to build the team around him and players like Kagawa, RVP etc and am not sure Rooney suits this style of play. He isn't quick compared to Kagawa and Cleverley and doesn't have the first touch as good as Rvp to make up for it. Personally I think Isco could be a very good signing at any amount under 20 million. However, our defence with the return of Vidic is the best in the league imo apart from Evra he has cost a lot of goals and teams are built on great defences. I rate De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic and Baines possibly as the best defence in the league and it would make us a lot better at the back.}

23 Dec 2012 19:03:05
Sign Baines, McCarthy, Zaha, Isco, Lewandowski, sell Evra, Nani, Rooney.

ED004 I am a big Carrick fan and have posted this many times, however my point is on days like today when by what I have read Rooney and Valencia are having a shocker having players like sneijder and Isco would make a big difference. A midfield group of Carrick, Cleverly, Kagawa, Isco & Sneijder ( both good enough to play as a cm) would be ideal.

The issue is we have carrick and cleverly and then a huge drop in terms of quality of options. Anderson when fit is a good player but that happens around 5 or 6 times a year.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Yeah I understand what you are saying I'm just not sure Sneijder would want to be a squad player and we also have Kagawa to come back}

Ed004 I will take any improvement to the current team in January transfer window to be honest. I am concerned with the Debth of our squad in midfield.

If the reports on Strootman are true, I would be pissed if we don't make a move especially at the price that is being quoted. For an odd reason I think we will end up going after Erickson from Ajax in the summer.

Realistically, I can't see SAF buying a left back after having spent money on Buttner and Evra is very durable and pretty much plays all the games and he will not bench Evra.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - But where would we play Eriksen. I can see Ferguson only signing one midfielder. So he will sign someone to partner Clerverley or Carrick IMO and Eriksen and Strootman are two completely different players}

23 Dec 2012 15:43:00
Well, guys. This was a disappointing performance, but not a disaster. If somebody told me that we would be 4 points at the top by Christmas, I would take. Let's reflect on the positives and negatives on the game.

NEGATIVES:-

1. Evra= Good going forward, but can be as bad as Rory Delap defending. He is at fault in the Swansea goal.

2. Rooney= He was very disappointing in this match, rightly substituted. I couldn't count how many misplaced passes he made, and how many fouls. I'm not a Rooney hater though, but I expect better from him in the next matches.

3. Valencia= How many times did you guys shout ''JUST CROSS THE BALL!'' I honestly don't know what happened to the man. Where is the beastly-amazing Valencia we always loved to watch.

I'm not going to put Vidic as a negative, because I understand he has just came back from injury, and lacked fitness.

Positives:

1. I thought Carrick played well in the first half. Always had a pass in him. Amazing pass he gave to Young in that chance that produced the corner in which we scored in.

2. Cleverely= I thought he did okay.

Sorry for the long post!

New poster A.K.A T-O-I

23 Dec 2012 15:39:47
I fail to see the reason behind bringing scholes on instead of welbeck. Rooney was dreadful today, one of the worst games ive seen him play! Although i hope none of the 'sell rooney' gang emerge from their dark corners as he is still a quality player. Thought van persie was out stand out player, unlucky not to score as was carrick. Didnt think we did enough to be worthy of the win, deserved point for swansea.

Ste-Utd

23 Dec 2012 15:35:45
I missed the game today and see we have drawn which is a little disappointing, although not an easy team to play away from home. would be interested to know if we played well ignoring the score.

Shahram

The first half was pretty even, in tems of possession and chance created. In the second half we dominated them from start to finish and they barely got a sniff of the ball.

Unfortunatly, we hit the bar twice and missed quite a bit of chances.

Rooney and Valencia were the worst players on the pitch. Rooney just couldnt even produce a single pass while Valencia looked so off the pace it was embarrasing, he was even glad to go off. He should be given a couple of weeks to get over his niggling injuries.

Evra was partly at fault for the first goal, but it was a decent showing from him, he was not as bad as he could be.
Cleverley had a positive game, hardly Xavi-esque but solid whatsoever.
Carrick was the best player on the pitch.

Hope this answers your question.

Mick

Shahram - I think a lot of us realistically thought this would be a potential banana skin.

A lot of the frustration on here stems from the fact that we probably should have won, but lacked a cutting edge today.

Rooney was poor by his own standards, Toni continues to disappoint this season, and looks a shadow of last year's explosive force. Young was in and out, Cleverley largely anonymous, Carrick solid and tidy, defence largely sound apart from Evra not picking up the run leading to the goal, and Jones and Evans reacting too slowly to Michu's movement in the box. Giggs had a cameo in the last 20 minutes and was probably our most creative player, despite the usual groans from here when he came on.

That was it in a nutshell. All in my own opinion of course :)

One of those days, where we could have played for another 90 minutes and not scored mate, but not the end of the world by any stretch of the imagination.

StevieK

Thanks guys. I was dreading a shock defeat to be honest as we are very unpredictable so not too disappointed by the draw and city have a very tough fixture in the next 6 weeks and expect them to drop points.

Shahram

23 Dec 2012 15:30:31
Midfield cost us again today..

Cleverly is not or does not have the potential to be top class

Carrick is just Joe average. How does he even get in the team. He is the root of all that is wrong with United at the moment.

Valencia. Just gone so far backwards this year. He is no threat going forward.

Bullseye50

The midfield was very good today, what game were some of you watching? 65% possession. Cleverley intercepted three Swansea build-ups in the first half and Carrick again was very accomplished.

The game wasn't lost in midfield, it was lost in attack by wasteful and off form players.

Sydney!

23 Dec 2012 16:10:46
Are you blind. Carrick and cleverly were excellent today. Especially Carrick. It was Rooney that was useless. He had a very bad day.

Nozzla

Bullseye50? More like Bullsh1t

AJH

Just to reply.... our midfield should be over running teams like Swansea not just having a little more possession. Carrick is harmless at best.. how few tackles does he put in for a holding midfielder? Valencia has been terrible all season Giggs at 39 looked more of a threat...... Can anyone actually see these 3 competing with Madrids midfield....

Bullseye50

Apart from Carrick isn't a holding midfielder

What is his position so?

Bullseye50

23 Dec 2012 15:27:41
Disappointing performance today.

But off the point, anyone think our players need a bit more grit? RVP is the only one, whenever there is a mini brawl, the opposition always out numbers our players who seem scared to get in. Today, and Nani v Oscar too. Wish Roy Keane was on that pitch. Just a little thing, more to do with pride other than anything else lol.

Still, Williams needs a ball to the head.

23 Dec 2012 15:26:18
"The great elder of football" sits there and watches his team fail to break through a determined Swansea City. His main man Wayne Rooney couldn't yet seal the deal and finish the game off, so surely you would bring on another fast striker who needs some game time, but no this great man brings on a 38 year old man.

As it reaches to the dying minutes of the game, you would think "bring on Welbeck or someone who can score" oh no, we bring on a 37 year old, now what I don't understand is why do we continue to let teams like Swansea do this when we work so hard to beat the big guns?

It strikes pain in my heart when I say this but, once we get rid of the old men, we would start to see a much more stronger side. What a great start to the Christmas period.

Merry Christmas guys, don't allow that poor performance spoil your week. I guess we may be a lucky win on boxing day to make up for it.

-JakeW

Feel a little stupid for some of my points I made, atleast it was a draw against an improved Swansea City, lets hope we can gain two wins next week. Also it was good to see Vidic return.

-JakeW

Giggs is 39 ( just accentuating your point ).

Mick

23 Dec 2012 15:25:08
Surely we should of put Welbeck on instead of Giggs?

23 Dec 2012 15:19:41
PLEASE GOD, hurry back Kagawa, Anderson, Nani & RAF

23 Dec 2012 15:13:00
I am sorry but does Fergie want us to win? Giggs and Scholes continue to ruin the game.

-JakeW

Have to disagree, Giggs was the most creative player for a while.

Yes I do agree he should go and usually slows the game down but today for his bit part role he did well.

Andy S

To be fair to giggs, I think he did quite well when he came on. A lot better than wat Rooney did for the time that he ws on the pitch. T45

To be fair to him (Giggs), I thought he carved out a few chances and he had a good game. Rooney had a mare today, I hope it's just a off game and we hammer W.B.A. on Saturday. We can't afford any more slip ups .
Flyhalfmitch.

Forgot we've got Newcastle boxing day, I'm not going to that match.
Well if we win the next 2 home matches 7 points out of a max 9 won't be too bad.
Flyhalfmitch.

23 Dec 2012 15:00:39
Aargh no not Giggs!!!

Hypatia

To be fair, he is the best Player in right now.
Every attack is through him, he's the only one moving around and asking for the ball, while every one else just stands and waits for Scholes to do something

Jonny8

He actually did OK in that LM position

Gav

Save your bile mate - he wasn't far off being our most creative player, and he was only on for 20 mins!

StevieK

23 Dec 2012 14:45:05
Why are Swansea playing better football than us we look like Stoke with some flair players we may well win this though this is not the way we should be playing.
It's not this player or that one it's our type of play again I would like to play like Swansea and pass and move very good European teams will take us.

United have dominated, not sure what game you are watching. If it wasn't for a couple players playing average today we would have scored plenty.

Sydney!

Shows how costly injuries could be. Raphael was def missed in our attack today. Anderson could have replaced Cleverly early in the 2nd half. Kagawa for Valencia. Instead we had Giggs (who did ok) and Scholes (nothing)

Our midfield was an issue today. Maybe Welbeck (more creative) instead of Chicharito (needs to be supplied) may have helped. A draw away from home isn't all bad. Still have a 4 point lead but we definitely dropped 2 massive points today

KB

23 Dec 2012 14:31:29
Valencia has gone fro this rapid, man beating, phenomenal crossing force to a slow, lack lustre crossing turning backwards passing goon.

Hes becoming nani in disguise

23 Dec 2012 14:28:29
We need to defend better than this!

Nick8)

23 Dec 2012 14:21:54
Okay Valencia is starting to get annoying now. Every single time he gets the ball and isn't on the wing, or sometimes even is, he just stops and slows play down in brilliant positions. So many scoring positions too where he can cut in and shoot but he can only cross, even if there is barely someone entering the box at that time. Everytime he stops, turns and passes back.

Honestly, right now I think he has all the assets to be a rugby player, not a footballer.

23 Dec 2012 14:20:54
What is Young doing out there today, 2 great crosses that if he made good runs would have been easy tap ins. Surprised Vidic is playing today instead of vs Newcastle

23 Dec 2012 14:18:52
What a horrible first half by United. Cleverly needs to be better defensively and Valencia needs to do something positive, he seems clueless when he get the ball.

Carrick has been the best player for us and that's not a good sign.

KB

Better defensively? How about breaking up three Swansea attacks?

Sydney!

23 Dec 2012 14:16:46
Valencia is just killing the attacks, whats happened to him? he hasn't a clue.

JK92

23 Dec 2012 13:46:53
evra is a little fox in the box from corners this season.

JK92

23 Dec 2012 13:23:17
Wow... Our only midfield options on the bench..

1. An over the hill legend who cant run - Scholes.

2. A player who literally can not do anything right now and is tarnishing his legacy - Giggs.

3. An ill player who looks a shell of himself - Fletcher.

Do you want to revise your post you plant pot?

AJH

23 Dec 2012 12:42:49
if you think your getting ronaldo your deluded. you got more chance of bobby charlton lacing his boots back up

Not bitter then!

23 Dec 2012 12:23:55
Is kagawa in the squad today?

Caolán.

No, still not match fit unfortunately.
JK92

No, line up is:
De Gea; Jones, Evans, Vidic, Evra; Valencia, Carrick, Cleverley, Young; Rooney, van Persie

Subs: Lindergaard, Buttner, Giggs, Scholes, Welbeck, Hernandez, Fletcher

Luke

Cheers like strong side!

Caolán.

Crikey, consistent selection from SAF, perhaps he's banged his head.

AJH

23 Dec 2012 11:54:18
Hey, what do people think of James mccarthy from Wigan ? Think he has everything required to sit in our midfield. There's not a lot of box to box midfielders around but think he is one.

Not fair to make a comparison to Keane but he does remind me of him.

I've heard one of the eds quite likes him...

GDS

James who?

JK92

23 Dec 2012 12:56:21
Bond isn't the only fan. McCarthy, Baines and Zaha would be a very good start for me. Mort

He is quite good actually. Good with the ball, very good at winning the ball back and can retain posession. A more physical but less dynamic version of Cleverley. They would complement each other nicely as we saw in the olympics.

Mick

He is currently better than scholes or fletcher.
he is like carrick less injury prone
on d contrary ando and cleverley are very injury prone.
you start either of these 3 games in a week and theyll be injured.

I would favour Strootman or Bender above mccarthy.

23 Dec 2012 11:25:25
Ronaldo reported to have a pal he wants to come home to MUFC next summer.

I told my mate yesterday I want to play for united next season as well, what do you think the chances are?

GDS

I think the chances are very well, GDS. Get yer' boots on and show Fergie what you got. You could be an amazing part of our midfield! :)

They couldn't afford my wages!

GDS

23 Dec 2012 10:27:50
SAF will hang up his hairdryer at the end of the season according to my info this worries me greatly as we will be a mid table outfit without him and to put the tophat on it all i have been told avram grant is in serious consideration for the post although i think this would be a better option than the special one just my opinion please tell me this info is wrong

Liverpool fan? City fan? WUM?

We will be a midtable team without him, did you seriously just say that? The united who are 6 points clear at the top of the table and haven't finished lower than 3rd (only lower than 2nd once) in 20 years, grow up.

GDS

23 Dec 2012 10:21:30
just curious, what players would people sell to get ronaldo back?

id sell nani, vidic and hernandez.

before i get slaughtered let me explain...

nani..we know the story there.. 15m

vidic.. love him but he isn't getting any younger and injuries are affecting him bad just lately, we could probably get 15-20m for him

now hernandez, hard decision to let the lad go but he isn't a first on the team sheet each week, he deserves regualer first team football, apparently he is unhappy with being 3rd/4th choice striker and he'd also bring in a decent amount of money.. id say 20m

so that is about 50m to contribute to getting ronaldo and those 3 aren't even first teamers anymore so we can raise 50m without affecting the first team.

No name - too much Xmas spirit last night, sell a 31 yr old CB who is returning from injuries that have kept him out of the game for nearly 12 months and expect someone to pay 15-20m for him. Maybe you could tell us which other 31 yr old CBs have been sold for that anount of money when fully fit, let alone one recovering from injury.

Yougottalaugh

We won't be signing Ronaldo anytime soon, maybe when he is older but right now it's a no.

-JakeW

Add to it evra and even hernandez
hernandez30m
get lweandowski 20 m
evra 7m
baines 10m

23 Dec 2012 09:42:44
Odds on Giggs, Scholes and Rio get another contract seems SAF knows nothing about Scholes retiring this season

Pardoe

23 Dec 2012 08:21:37
Right, come on lads, time to show your selves.

Citeh are clearly not going to lie down and give us the title this year, and they are currently being very lucky IMO.

Today's games has banana skin written all over it. Away to Swansea, Vorm back in goal, everyone distracted by Xmas, late winner from Citeh last night and Liverpool actually won! (Even Downing played well?!?!)

We need a good team selection today with legs in midfield, please Fergy resist the temptation to play Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, Ferdy, Evra in the same team... We might get caught out by a Swansea team who, on their day, are a decent team.

Days like to today are where titles are forged.

DodgyBanter

I agree Dodgy. Swansea are capable of playing very good football we will need a competitive midfield today

ms85

We have to have energy in midfield against Swansea..... The way they play by passing it around everywhere we need to be able to chase them down and run rings around them... Imo NO Scholes or Giggs should even be considered...

After all the news stories this week I'm hoping Fergy isn't tempted to play Giggs and Scholes to prove they can still hack it.

Hoping for something similar to the derby team, give Swansea the respect they have earned.

DodgyBanter