Manchester United Banter Archive January 23 2013

 

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23 Jan 2013 22:55:55
I was walking outside O.T today & I Pele flicked a soda pop can up & booted it straight into the bin ala Barnes Lucazade sport ad from the 90's

Anyway, Martin Ferguson saw this from his office window & offered me a 2 week trial on the spot.

I'M ON TRIAL WITH.....
Jurgan Speedy Gonzalez some Mexican lad who plays or works for Tescos 2nd Division side.
Jeffrey Schluppy Giloppy from Leicester reserves.
Daniel Sandandandalsmandand a Reading reject keeper
& some young Scottish centre back called Coll who's playing for Livingstones Academy.

Joking apart.
What on earth are we doing with this lot????????
Expect more DeLaet, Djemba-Djemba, Obertan & Bebe type signings if we're doing the CHEAP ROUTE.
Surely no diamonds in the rough with this shower that's on trial.

P.S I know I'm being harsh, this is United not the Blue Square.

TJ

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Thats why there called trials to try and find a diamond in the rough...

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23 Jan 2013 23:57:19
another fifa spoiled kid who thinks you can only be good enough if you cost millions and millions. Bear in mind all the players on trial are still teenagers. Get them now when their cheap and no risk or leave them and complain if they fulfill the potential and would cost over twenty million? Its commonsense.

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Agree tj, while there is always a need to give trials to unknown players, we do have urgent need to improve midfield with proven quality.
We're not thick to think we can just go out and buy anyone we want, but we are Man united, we should be looking at top players. Is there anything wrong with that?
Days when players just come here for the sake of our history have gone, this is big business, you have to invest to reap the rewards.
Nomidfield

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23 Jan 2013 22:38:56
I think we should sign that young ball boy in the game tonight. He shielded the ball quiet beautifully from Eden Hazard. He seems to go down to easy though :-)
TJ

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Can't afford him. Besides he played as midfielder for Swansea youth and we don't sign midfielders.
Nomidfield

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Could you imagine if that had been Rooney Suarez or Barton they would all be calling for life bans
Blackpool Red

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23 Jan 2013 22:25:23
«The king of all ball boys is back making his final appearance #needed #for #timewasting»
Tweet from the ball boy, before the match. Seriously lads, that boy was acting like a t***, and got served. Had one our players done the same as Hazard, we would try to justify it in every single way.

ZigZag

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My opinion,

Was he acting like a t***? Yes, most likely.

Does that in any way justify Hazard kicking him in the ribs? No, not at all. It's up to the ref to add extra time if anything, not up to the player to lash out.

I'm not sure it's as bad as the Cantona 'incident' but still deserves a lengthy ban IMO. Totally stupid of him.

Gav

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The ball boy was bang out of order and being a first class p***k, but I couldn't and wouldn't defend one of our players if he did that to a child.

Hazard is a grown man and should know better, you can't lash out and people just because they're annoying. If you could i'd belt about 10 customers a day. Now when that person is a young child you have to do more to show withstrian. As you are setting an example.

The ball boy was out of order time wasting, the kick wasn't that hard and didn't make much contact. But he should never react like that and I think somewhere in the region of a 5/6 game ban is fair when you consider previous similar cases and the need to set an example. But the ball boy also needs to be disciplined, but maybe not in such a public way.

Shappy

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You can question how hard he actually kicked him. I for one think that the ball boy overplayed it big-time. Didn't seem to be that painful. But still, I see your point Gav.

ZigZag

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Lets be fair, if that was on the pitch its a yellow card if that. The lad was clearly time wasting and for his crime he got the ball, which he was using as a chez-lounge, kicked from underneath him, serves him right!

Ban and a crappy fine! simple!

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Honestly If that was me I probably would of done the same thing, all he tried to do was kick the ball out from under the lad. remeber his face as you may well see him nominated for an oscar! To be honest I think a red card is a little harsh. Slap on the wrist a signed shirt and all should be forgotten.
Nathan

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Ballboy was being a pisstaker, pure and simple, Hazard should have got the officials' attention but anyone of our lads and we'd be fuming. Play-acting little tool as well, and this is coming from a Welshman.

If it was our ballboy, we'd love it but I thought Hazard was hard done-by.

RED_SKY

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When the prat crystal palace was giving the King verbal abuse and ran 10 flights of stairs to do so, the King launched into him and got banned for 8 months.
So a ball boy was an person, but there is absolutely no excuse for hazard to kick him.
Interesting to see what fa will do!
Nomidfield

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23 Jan 2013 22:07:07
Eric kicked a fully grown man that was launching personal abuse at him hazard kicked a young kid that wouldn't give him the ball back.
Yes I know Eric kicked the guy harder but does that make all the difference!

I agree that the kid was out of order and I think he obviously made the most of it but at the end of the day hazard kicked the lad in the ribs whilst kicking the ball from under him.

Lets see what the fa will do about it and can you begin to imagine what the country would be like if it was Rooney? Was it 4 games he got for swearing!

Karllap

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The kid was going to save a couple of seconds in a match its not exactly any different to a player taking longer on a throw etc.... He kicked the wrong side of the kid to the ball so clearly only had one intention and that was to hurt the kid.

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Hazard should've gestured to the ref that the ball boys were deliberately time wasting (which they were, obviously under instruction) and there is no excuse for kicking the ball boy. BUT! most of the contact of the kick was on the ball underneath the kid and at most Hazards shin made contact, and the ball boy has obviously had acting lessons, that couldn't possibly have hurt. coming from a fan of United and someone who hates Chelsea, please don't go overboard with this. I'm sure some will be bitter that he didn't join us.
Flyhalfmitch.

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I completely agree the kid was in the wrong and he made the most of it but does that make what hazard do any less wrong and should he be dealt with differently? In my opinion no, he is guilty of kicking the young lad, simple as,

To put it another way, I am a 39 year old man playing football in the park when a kid gets the ball and won't give it me back. He does exactly what the ball boy did I do what hazard did. A copper see's me, will he or the judge go easy on me a grown man kicking a kid because it was only my shin that hit him and the kid was being a little git and deserved it?

Karllap

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Hazards a kid himself, you take the consequences of your actions and the ballboy deserved everything he got

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23 Jan 2013 19:44:20
Eds, can you see the wanyama deal happening in this transfer window? {Ed004's Note - No....}

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23 Jan 2013 21:43:28
I am actually happy that we didn't get Hazard. The poor boy had only picked the ball up and Hazard was all over him, disgusting.

-JakeW

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Stunning. He could be prosecuted or that.

AJH

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Stupid say! Remember a legend who didi the same?

Players make mistakes as any one else.

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JakeW !!
specsavers me thinks !

fozzy58

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23 Jan 2013 21:38:17
just wondering who the eds and the regular posters believe we will bring in over the summer transfer window.i was hoping fergie would have a look at strenghtening our cm but it is very worrying that our wingers are so off form and a lb is a necessity {Ed004's Note - I reckon zaha tbh}

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I'll stick my neck and say we'll sign a CM two winger/forward type players and maybe a defender if Rio leaves. I don't see us signing a first choice LB but instead let Fabio and Buttner fight it out for the spot for a season. If I was to have a guess at which players we sign i'd go for

Strootman, Zaha, Gaitan and either Garay or Ogbonna.

but the summer is a long way off yet.

Shappy

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Realistically, Zaha, Rodriguez, Wanyama and perhaps Zouma or Garay.

Fresh!

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23 Jan 2013 21:24:50
Cantona got a seriously long ban for kicking out at a fan..... Hazard just booted a kid ball boy! He should get banned for a year but will end up with a one game ban if anything ! {Ed004's Note - He just got sent off haha}

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Ed004 - In all seriousness Hazard should get a b0ll0cking ! {Ed004's Note - Yes he should so stupid}

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A three game ban and a stern warning is what it will be. It probably should be just that too. It does reveal the immaturity which Chelsea did worry about before signing him.

Sydney!

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I guarantee a Man United player would get a hefty retrospective punishment and Hazard will end up getting a slap on the wrist and a fine..

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Sydney

Sorry but that is a disgrace and if anything it was worse than Cantona. Hazard kicked a young boy.

Benitez expressed his opinion about the FA letting SAF get away with it, well will the FA let Hazard and Chelsea get away with that?

Just think about it that incident will be shown all over the world, player kicks ball boy, it deserves a minimum of the same ban Cantona got and any less would indicate the FA are lenient towards Chelsea

Red Man

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I bet Hazard wishes he'd join City now, Bernstein would of got him off Scott free!

Ports

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Call me controversial but I think I might've given the ball boy a heftier boot than that. He was deliberately being a git. Kids get away with murder these days and need the occasional good hiding lol Ok so I may be joking about the last bit.....partially.

TK-Red

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Red Man, the lad is 17. Not a great deal younger than Hazard lets not forget. Ok Hazard shouldn't have done what he did but lets not kid ourselves that this little sh!t is innocent. He even tweeted earlier today saying

"The king of all ball boys is back making his final appearance #needed #for #timewasting"

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for the lad, its not as though he took a pasting.

TK-Red

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Come on Red Man, it was poor and he should be punished but it wasn't a full blooded Kung fu kick (go Eric!).

AJH

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I agree with TK-RED, hazard probably should not kicked the ball/boy, but nobodies really mentions the fact that the boy was acting like a pr1ck he should not of been lying on the ball in the first place, but people probably won't mention that

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Haha worse then cantona are you for real cantona followed up his kick with a haymaker of a rite hook this was a flick of a boot and a ballboy makin a meal of it if anything it shows how players makin a meal of soft tackles affects young people carrying on in the same manner

Cork city red

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TK, AJH

The image of the Premier League will be tarnished for some time even though it was the cup. Those images will be played all over the world in the same way Cantona's were, with headlines to match. The kid held on to it too long, rolled over on it and yes it must have been frustrating but there is no excuse for what Hazard did. It was a ball "boy" regardless of his age.

If that had been a United player can you imagine the length of ban the radio, the papers and the TV would be calling for? Rooney got two games for swearing at the camera so where does this sit?

Red Man

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Some of you guys are unbelievable..... Your telling me a ball boy should be kicked for holding it for a few seconds longer.... To me it looked like he slipped then couldn't get back up cus Hazard was all over him anyway...Im sorry but he is a disgrace for kicking anyone no matter a ball boy no matter how old he is..... If I was the ball boy I would milk it for as much as I could...

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AJH - It doesn't matter whether it is a full blooded kick or not..... Shambles.

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Red Man

If we are talking about the incident in relation to Cantona, how it will be perceived and what would happen if it were a United player then, yes, perhaps Hazard should be given a serious ban. BUT in the grand scheme of things IMO it will all be made into something that it shouldn't be. Without wanting to get into a moral debate, if I had a 17 year old son who acted like that and prevented a 21 year old from trying to do his job (lets not forget a place in the final was at stake) and my son took a boot for it then my response would be "sorry son, you shouldn't have done it in the first place". Would I be happy about him getting a kick? No. Would I fully understand why the old lad did it? Yes.

TK-Red

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There is no justification lads come on, some of you are as bad as Jason Cundy on TS right now! Yes the lad was being deliberately awkward but that is no excuse. He deserves a lengthy ban IMO.

Gav

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Shambles see my other post, I think Hazard could be prosecuted. I was pointing out it wasn't a full blooded Kung Fu kick!

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24 Jan 2013 00:32:19
TK I actually agree with you, at the time when it happened I thought that's out of order but when I saw what he had said on twitter I lost sympathy lol. Still personic of Hazard to do it and he should get a 3-4 game ban.

The best thing I've seen about it is that someone actually asked the ball boy to conveniently slip over if Chelsea needed the ball back! Might be a bit harsh but after what's happened that's funny.

Rjmanutd

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24 Jan 2013 00:32:41
The Kid's 17 and wrote on his twitter hours before the game he is the king of timewasting why do people make such big deal's over the littliest things

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I should also add that it shows the impact of cheating by footballers when a ball boy deliberately cheats to waste time, how low can things sink. But it highlights how things can be influenced by what footballers do and is the reason why Hazard should get a lengthy ban.

Red Man

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23 Jan 2013 21:17:16
Syd

Not looking good for your bet mate.

I put arsenal, PSG and Roma games yes and chelsea no so I'm on for 150.

Jono

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Whatever Benitez touches turns to sh1t ;)

How many great opportunities has he had for silverware now that he has blown? At Chelsea and Inter. 2xWorld Club Cups. 2xSuper Cups & a League Cup with just Swansea and Bradford to beat.

Sydney!

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He is useless.

I ended up only just up for the night.

Chelsea bust a coupon, ba and lampard failed to score and the biggest ball breaker I put 15 on negrado at 71 mins to get his hat trick for Sevilla as he had two and Zaragoza down to nine then they subbed him in the 72nd! So bet again this time on Reyes next scorer and he got subbed on 76!!

Gutted!

Jono

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I am getting killed, lost every bet I had. Chelsea is useless, should have bet on arsenal instead. Benitez is a person.

Shahram

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23 Jan 2013 20:05:16
Brooklyn Beckham having tryouts with Chelsea. Will be interesting to see if he lives up to the heights of his father, he will certainly have the fame on his side

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Children very rarely match or surpass their mothers or fathers, so I doubt it.

Fresh!

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I am already a better tiddlywinks player than my dad Fresh.

Sydney ;)

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I think Luke chadwicks kids are better looking than him already!

Or at least I hope they are.

Jono

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Very impressive Syd, turning pro?

Fresh!

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23 Jan 2013 19:35:49
marco reus would really improve our wing options and striking options

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He isn't leaving dortmund anytime soon.

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He is unavailable sadly. He wouldn't be short of suitors if he became available either.

Sydney!

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23 Jan 2013 18:40:48
Just read an interview with Wanyama for Strictly|Gentleman and he was asked growing up who was his favourite team, his answer - Manchester United.

Know it doesn't mean much but good to hear, hopefully if we bid it'll make his decision easy.

Ports

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23 Jan 2013 19:22:27
i'd rather have strootman at least we can believe his birth certificate.

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I was at Victor's birth, he is 21 mate.

Sydney ;)

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An nine months before that syd I was at his mother ........ ........

CAIN

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Apparently it's not his age that is disputed but his nationality. He is actually Chinese but has faked a Kenyan birth certificate so he can play in his favourite competition........the African cup of nations.

Or so i've been told;-)

Shappy

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24 Jan 2013 00:08:55
he clearly looks late twenties. Or he had a bloody hard paper round. If he plays to giggs age he'll be shuffling around the pitch on a zimmer.

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Now we know what Cain looks like.

Shahram

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22 Jan 2013 17:40:22
do the eds believe we will go for youth in the summer fischer zouma zaha wanyama
or look for experience garay gaitan di maria yacob {Ed002's Note - The summer is a long way off and naming 8 players in two lines doesn't help.}

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Fisher will stay at Ajax, I am not sure we are interested in Wanyama, Di Maria is not going anywhere and I don't believe we would go for a CB unless someone gets sold and rio moves on. So from your list with the exception of Zaha none are potentials.

Shahram

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23 Jan 2013 18:16:13
I really don't get the Zaha hype and the price tag!
People wake up and watch Isco! Same age but Isco plays so well against Real Madrid(even scores) and Barca!

Golden Boy 2012 v the npower Young Player of the Year

The choice is obvious!! I just can't get my head around it!


Red Samurai! {Ed004's Note - If Isco was to sign were would people play him though. Kagawa needs fitted in and I think he will be but out wide left. Rooney will play centrally. We need someone who is good on the right such as Rodriguez or Gotze but still has the ability to play anywhere else in the attack}

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23 Jan 2013 19:11:47
young english talent or the latest fad foreign player? One who'll have no language issues, won't get homesick or have settling issues vs one who will have language issues, might not settle, might get homesick and certainly will have an eye on a move to madrid or barca. By summer you'll be chasing some other fad player. Personally I don't think isco wants to leave spain or he'd be at chelsea already.

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23 Jan 2013 17:22:36
whats the chances of rvp being rested at weekend?

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Wel just saw a pig fly ....... So probably .......;)

CAIN

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23 Jan 2013 16:24:11
Does anyone listen to Richard Keys and Andy Gray on ? I've never heard anyone with such an agenda against Sir Alex as Richard Keys. I've listened to the station for about 15 years and since they've been on there he's constantly trying to incite other supporters with conspiracy theories about Man Utd and Sir Alex getting away with things other teams and managers get punished for. Could everybody try to make an effort to contact the station and complain about his biased views. Sir Alex stopped talking to Sky when they were there and perhaps that has something to do with his obbsession, But I can see the Gaffer stopping dealing with soon and Utd Fans switching stations would be a massive shame and loss to listening figures!

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That's where you are wrong, IMO, I'm afraid. They probably get a higher number of people listening/calling in who agree with him that they would lose if United fans stop listening. Lets be honest, as many fans as United have there are many times more that amount who are ABUs. Plus everytime Keys talks about Sir Alex in that sense, he no doubt gets endless calls from United fans who aren't happy about what they hear. Like you say, its all about listening figures.

TK-Red

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As far as I know are a part of sky. Might be wrong tho.

Joe.a

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Why would anyone pay any attention to Richard Key's view on football?

The man's an person.

Andrew B

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You have listened to that station for 15 years and not realised yet that every person on that site says what they say to upset listeners and make them ring in? It's how the channel lives. If people agreed with it all they wouldn't get any callers, funny how if two 'DJs' are on they always have the total opposite opinion on every situation.

GDS

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23 Jan 2013 22:19:05
Richard keys - its like someone partly shaved a monkey - booted it through Burtons - whilst shouting football simalies at it to remember- with Andy Gray "hanging out o the back of it"!
WHy did he lose his job with sky again?
Why are you bother what it grunts?
Pedroknight

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23 Jan 2013 16:03:14
My dream for the january window:Zaha and Wanyama in.

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You might get your wish.

Joe.a

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My dream for the January transfer window: de rossi, schwiensteiger, ronaldo, messi, xavi, iniesta

Andrew B

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My dream for January ........ A night wit wazzas missus.......... An as a surprise Roy keane the 98/99 version since we have never an will never replace him.......

CAIN

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My dream for jan is Cain with wazzas missus and I will slum it with CR07 Missus.

Shahram

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I couldn do that on ronnie..... Blasphemy....... But I could do it on wazza

CAIN

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23 Jan 2013 15:42:07
I think it is pretty obvious that Fergie is losing al his faith in our current wingers...... Would you prefer to go in to next season with....

1) Valencia, Young, Nani and Schlupp

2) Rodriguez, Young, Zaha and Schlupp

I would take option 2.

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We may aswell forget about Schlupp for the time being. The lad is only training with us and even if he does decide to join, I suspect SAF is looking at him as a potential left back more than a winger.

TK-Red

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Or 3)Isco, plus our current wingers and they are young ones coming up.


Red Samurai

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How about:

Zaha, Young, Kagawa and Ronaldo ;)

Thats what I'm dreaming for haha.

Fresh!

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23 Jan 2013 15:28:02
Ed, I have seen a lot of Dortmund lately and have found out that Reus has a 35 million Euro buyout cluase. Has anyone shown interest in him?

Fresh!

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Reus only joined this season, he won't be leaving anytime soon I reckon.

-JakeW

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Okay fresh no bother be right over to dortmund tommorrow to buy him
Sir Alex Ferguson

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23 Jan 2013 16:42:17
So Santangelo has more or less signed, anyone know what he's all about? Secondly, with the Zaha deal seemingly almost done what do you guys think is more likely? Will he come straight here or stay at Palace? Personally given the form of our wingers I'd very much like him in the team right now, would be something different for teams to think about any may improve the form of Nani & Valencia.

Fresh!

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It could mean that Sam Johnson will now be allowed to go out on loan and gain some invaluable experience .
Santangelo would then take over in the U21s nd also double as number three keeper if Amos is sent out on loan again.
Raffa

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23 Jan 2013 16:46:54
Reports in spain suggest that we are going to sign Garay from Benfica in the summer, any news/thoughts on this anyone? I'm not saying this is going to happen btw, just wondered if people think that this is a good move or not.

Fresh!

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Can't say i'm convinced, very injury prone, and can't see us paying the reported price, 18 million euro's. I think we could get better for similar or slightly more money.

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I would agree, I would rather have Zouma every day.

Fresh!

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23 Jan 2013 16:42:21
Should we not be interested in Moussa Sissoko? Out of contract in the summer and available for a knock down price, he could be the beast we need in the middle.

Supasub

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I think we have already got our eyes on Strootman for the summer.

Sparky

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23 Jan 2013 14:29:58
Klopp needs to be the one who succeeds fergie, his style of play, tactics and man management is amazing, he has done a great job with Dortmund with so little money, also brings youth through..

the perfect man for the job IMO.

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He's nurtured some great talent also as well as finding a gem of a player in Reus. I really would love to see Reus in our team, but its just a pipe dream!

Fresh!

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Why would he swap? Dortmund are biggest club in Germany and their team is arguably better than utd.

its like suggesting saf would go to inter

Andrew b

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Dortmund is the biggest club in Germany(ticket price are lot cheaper in germany and they have bigger stadium). But Man utd is the biggest club in the world(Financially and fan base).
I don't see why Klopp wouldn't want to come.


Red Samurai

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23 Jan 2013 18:28:12
i think you'll find bayern are by far the biggest club in germany. Their one of the biggest clubs in the world. Comfortably in the top five.

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23 Jan 2013 14:26:26
Really think we should try and sign gundogan from Dortmund.
very good young player who has great work rate and is good with the ball.

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Give Nuri Sahin a month with full fitness and he will take place of Gundogan. Sahin was better than him and still is. That says a lot. I am not sure of his passing ability. We don't just need a defensive midfielder(rather Wananyama who scores is box to box).

Red Samurai

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23 Jan 2013 09:06:05
Am I the only one scratching my head regarding Macheda going on loan to Elche a Spanish second division team.

What is the point? he may as well go to Stockport County as at least he would be close by so he can be monitored. Same standard of football IMO.

If he is successfull then it is against inferior competion - and if he is not......

I would have liked to have seen him at Everton or Spurs who have both to play City yet but I know - "game time" etc etc.

Hernandez to Wigan is the right type of loan. Surely someone like Newcastle, Norwich or even Villa would take him?

Colin W

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Kiko has no future at United so it's about sending him somewhere where he will play often enough to get noticed so that we get a decent fee for him. Elche will get promoted this summer and will get a windfall from La Liga. If he impresses this season they will make the deal permanent.

Sydney!

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Yeh cus we always loan players to teams 4th and 5th in the EPL...the reason he is gone there is because that is his level.

IrishRed

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23 Jan 2013 08:52:47
I have not been keeping up to date with the views about FFP on here but was interested in a posting on another site where the poster was making reference to how the agenda could change if say Chelsea & Man City are painted into a corner
What you could easily see is clubs abandon the gentlemans agreement not to sign players who leave thier clubs under what is termed Websters law or by its proper title Article 17
In brief the whole business plan of any club buying in cheap players and selling them on could be deemed irrelevent as players could in effect just give notice and walk from their clubs and yes a small amount of compensation, in certain circumstances, may be payable by the player to the club.
A good example could be say Rooney who is of an age and far enough in his contract to say to man united I want to leave in the summer.say his wage is £5 million a year and has 2 years left the compensation (based on the sum awarded in the webster case would be about £5 million. Rooney would easily be able to agree a signing on fee of at least the £5 million and no doubt agree a contract in excess of what he is paid now.
The knock on is that man united would loose about £25 million i(assuming that Rooney is currently worth £30 million)
OK the bigger clubs able to pay the wages will be net gainers but in one stroke clubs like say Lille who sold Hazzard for £30+ million would see prized assets . {Ed002's Note - Someone is scratching around a little with what you have read. Simply put this won't happen at the highest level.}

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You say it won't happen but the situatuion is could happen .
A few players have already moved under Article 17 indeed Webster himself moved to the EPL from Scotland but I am interested why you don't think it will happen at the highest level {Ed002's Note - You are correct that a few players have taken the opportunity to move under the ruling, but it is a very small number. I am aware of two players, and there are probably more, that have used the ruling as part of their negotiations for new contracts but neither would have gone as far as invoking it and potentially entering in to a protracted legal case which could see them sitting in limbo.

The far bigger threat to the FFP Rules is that of a breakaway pan-European league. Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity a once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. These discussions, the last of which were in late August, also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen.

There is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.}

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Ref ; ed002 's comment about a break away - I feel that this is inevitable, and probably what a lot of (esp. But not only, the American owners) are hanging around for; it would for example, make Manchester United share price look like good value, and is prob why Fenway are not pushing big bucks into Liverpool at the moment but waiting for the breakaway.

Mike

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Great response and thanks sharing your thoughts.

I will take exception however when you say that a player making an exit via Article 17 would be drawn into protracted legal proceedings as the rules are already in place and legal arguements have already been made.

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23 Jan 2013 07:36:12
How would you compare Wanyama with Pogba? Both are young, both good solid midfielders (wanyama slightly more defensive), both are good at ball/passing, both have a good shot, both have an eye for the goal.. may be wanyama is at times slightly rash (but he tackles a lot more)..

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Pogba will be the best central midfielder of his kind in the world in a couple of years time. I said the same when he was with us and I believe it now he isn't with us.

Sydney!

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Pogba will shine in Italy as its a poor League as could be said for Wanyama in Scotland...the real test will come when they play top teams in the Champions League, Wanyama has already proved himself to some extent in this regards with his performances over two legs against Barca.

IrishRed

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Pogba IMO without injury will bypass vieria. As a powerhouse box to box player with the ability to dictate play and influence it in the final third there is not much more he could add to his game for his position.

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Seria A is light years ahead of the SPL mate. In fact so is league 1!

Jono

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23 Jan 2013 11:13:02
Agree Syd. Have said it for a long time... we really have missed a trick with Pogba. He will be a world beater.
Having said that, he's gone. Good luck to him!

Whistler.

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Pogba will be better than Wanyama, but Wanyama will be a good signing if we can get him. I believe he is United fan as well.

Fresh!

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So we let pogba go for free basically and are going to pay between 15-25mil for wanyama. Ferguson logic.

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Pogba's attitude/arrogance and his agent will potentially cost the lad making it to the heights that his ability will allow him. After half a season in our reserves after being promoted from youth he wanted game time guarantee, after half a season playing in the 5th, argubly 6th best league in Europe his agent is talking of him being worth £25 Million.

Sometimes attitude gets you further in life than ability. Wanyama seems to be keeping his head down and working hard at Celtic, staying out the press and not getting carried away by his hype. Pogba may well go on to be the better player but I think Wanyama will be more successful!

I look at Keane, Gerrard and Viera, although I believe some people didn't give Keane the credit he deserves for his ability, for me Gerrard and Viera were better ''Footballers'', however, through his attitude and desire, I would choose Keane ahead of those two every day of the week.

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He scored 2 crackers for Juve at weekend. I heard he wanted to leave and ran his contract down? I cannot believe fergie would allow someone so talented to leave the biggest club in the world

ms85

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Sorry should pof read further doewn and added this view there.

ms85

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We won't be paying anywhere near £25million for Wanyama, even if we do sign him.

TK-Red

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Didn't fergie pick a midfield of giggs and Rafael ahead of him when we had no fit midfielders? not exactly a vote of confidence when other players of the same age are regular first teamers.

smacks of bad man management to me because if we really rated him then we would have gone all out to keep him. now we have to spend 20 mill to get a player of the same quality.

Andrew b

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It was actually park and rafael, even worse!

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Andrew b

It's widely thought that the manager knew Pogba was looking to leave well before the match you talk about, so why should we give game time to a player who does not want to play for us and who would benefit from being in the 'shop window' ?

Also, and more amazingly, you really think SAF is a bad man manager?

Gav

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Wasn't disputing that Jono....but both still poor leagues that any decent player could look world class in.

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23 Jan 2013 06:43:23
BBC Sport claims agreement is now close for Wilfried Zaha with United and Palace "set to hold further talks in the next 24 hours as they work towardsconcluding a deal for the England winger... Sir Alex has remained behind as his squad travelled to Qatar on Sunday for a short training camp... United are understood to be willing to pay £12m for Zaha and will then loan him back to the Championship club for the rest of the season."

bally(australia)

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23 Jan 2013 00:26:21
Manchester United have bought out Sly's 1/3 share in MUTV and now own 100% of the station.

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I wonder how much it sold for because MUTV and everything that goes with it (telecommunication/mobile deals) is very profitable.

Sydney!

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Will this change the subscription package or will it stay the same.

Personnally I don't have MUTV, can't justify an extra 6 quid a month on top of an already hefty sky bill to the wife unfort.
is it worth it? I notice a lot of repeats throughout the day etc

Giants14

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It's worth it if you are interested in watching academy and U21's football. But if not then get it for July just for the six preseason friendlies. £6 is a small price to pay for 6 games. Especially when you are watching the new signings play for the first time.

Sydney!

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