Manchester United Banter Archive June 23 2011

23 Jun 2011 21:43:33
ed007 you posted earlier that you'd give the no.7 to hazard or sanchez.so you think we're still in for sanchez?

23 Jun 2011 20:12:39
do you think young for 130k a week is a good deal?!

mistake - could have got much better for that

23 Jun 2011 20:04:43
Can I just say another thing about Young? Young has averaged 36 PL games a season since he joined Villa. Now that is a decent fitness record all will agree on?

Sydney!

23 Jun 2011 20:00:25
Thats it. I'm having that one from now on. Whoever posted the comment calling Fergie "gout nose" had me in bulk!

Nice one fella.

Arise sir gout nose.

23 Jun 2011 19:41:23
"how much was ashely young???
It says undisclosed why???"

@Watford have said that they have been told to expect around £2m from the Young deal. They are entitled to 15% of the fee. So it seems the fee is between £14m-£15m.

I heard the fee was £14.5m and I heard that a couple of days ago. But I guess we won't know for sure until the end of year finances are released in early October.

Sydney!

23 Jun 2011 19:36:40
kaka will not sign for united..he is a has been and will stay at real or go bak to ac milan. so will the silly rumours of this please stop...not funny anymore...lol

23 Jun 2011 18:48:12
Young is only a good signing if he is not a direct replacement for Nani. Nani is a better player than Young.

Ed??

{Ed019's Note - I think Nani is the better player, however I think Young is more consistent and with better players around him could become a serious player. I see no reason why Nani and Young can't play in the same team.}

23 Jun 2011 18:54:59
£15m for a 25 year old (Homegrown) Englishman, that can play LW, RW, CAM or as a supporting striker is money well spent IMO. I can understand people are worried thinking that he is here to replace Nani, but you are wrong. United are looking at bringing in another winger as well as Young.

De Gea & Jones being 20 & 19 respectively have also been top quality signings. Smalling & Jones being the future United & England CB's, in the meantime Jones can fill in for Vidic on occasions whilst playing in midfield too. United have also nearly signed four Italian teenagers, two of which are GK's. So we will have another strong U18's squad again next season.

Sydney!

23 Jun 2011 18:32:22
"La Gazzetta dello Sport confirm #MUFC are set to sign Gollini, Lezzerini, Madrigali and Capezzi from Fiorentina's U16s to join our U18s"

"I don't know if it's Xavier or Saverio Madrigali that we're interested in. The twins have both been called up at U16 level for Italy"

"Leonardo Capezzi has only recently turned 16 and is I believe, their star midfielder. He's already been capped at U17 level"

"Luca Lezzerini is a goalkeeper who has also recently turned 16; he too has been capped at U17 level"

"Pierluigi Gollini is a goalkeeper; I don't know if he's been capped but AC Milan and Juventus have also both been interested in him"

23 Jun 2011 18:13:42
Now Young has signed there will be no Sanchez. 1 more signing for us and thats De Gea. Waiting for July 1st so we can get the deal done and dusted. I'm thinking United will play a 4-1-2-1-2 formation next season. Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra the back 4. Defensive midfielder to be Jones. 2 wingers being Nani and Valencia. 1 attacking midfielder being Young and the 2 strikers... Rooney and Hernandez.

Then in January depending on form... Either Nani or Valencia to be sold, Young to move into the position of the winger departing and Sneijder to arrive and play the attacking midfielder position?

23 Jun 2011 17:54:41
although many people said we are linked with hazard the fact is that he is staying at lille for another season. varane looks to be going to real and modric is either going to stay or go to chelsea.

so the only possible signing now are snjeider which is unlikely, nasri could if wenger doesnt sign anyone and lassana diarra has been told he can talk with united so he might be heading our way.

young, de gea and jones are excellent signing and i can't wait to see us next season!

23 Jun 2011 17:38:07
We are all guilty on this site of moaning and complaining because we haven't bought this player or that player and in my case because some American Leaches own our club. but please read this and lets put things back into perspective:


Little Jack Marshall is lying in his bed in the front room of his parents' house.

His head is resting on a Manchester United pillow case. He is wearing his Manchester United shirt.

A giant United flag covers the wall behind him. His mum and dad put it up for the Champions League final last month and they have not been able to bring themselves to take it down.

Jack is five years old but because of the severity of the treatment he has endured for the cancer that is killing him, he can only speak in a whisper.

So when I ask him who his favourite player is, I can see his eyes sparkle but I have to kneel beside him to hear his answer.

"Rooney, " he says. "When I met him, I told him he was the best player in the world. And I asked if I could give him a kiss."

Rooney bowed his head low that day a few weeks ago at United's Carrington training ground so that the brave little boy's wish could be granted.

But then football has brought Jack joy throughout his short life. It fills many of his family's happiest memories of him.

He learned to walk by kicking a football. His mum, Tracey, held him by his hands as he staggered round the house as a toddler, swinging his foot at a ball then tottering after it and kicking it again.

Then there was the time his parents took him and his older brother, Josh, to Old Trafford to watch his first game against Blackburn Rovers when he was three.

Jack rode down Sir Matt Busby Way on the shoulders of his dad, Craig, and even though it was a cold December night, he refused point blank to wear a jumper over his United shirt.

Craig and Tracey worried that people were looking at the shivering little lad and thinking they were bad parents but Jack was so proud of that shirt, he wouldn't let it be covered up.

At home in Scunthorpe, he lived for football even then. He went to the local Footy Monsters kids' group every week without fail.

The coaches there said they had never seen a little boy who loved the game so much.

Even after all their lives changed in October 2009, somehow it was football that brought them the most comfort.

Jack kept waking in the night, being sick. The doctors thought it was a virus. It kept happening. They still thought it was a virus. Then, one day, Jack lost the use of his legs.

So he had a scan and they discovered he had a brain tumour and an aggressive form of cancer that had already spread to his spine.

He survived a 10-hour operation to remove the primary tumour. Then he had to endure drastic chemotherapy and radiotherapy treatment to try to stop the disease raging.

While he was recovering from the trauma of the operation, the doctors made special arrangements for him and his family to watch a United-Chelsea game on the television.

"It meant we could just sit as a family and watch something Jack loved, " Craig said. "It brought some normality to the most extreme of abnormal situations."

When Jack was finally allowed to go back home to Scunthorpe, still desperately ill and unable to walk, there was a surprise waiting for him.

His mum and dad had met Sir Alex Ferguson at the Tankersley Manor Hotel in South Yorkshire while they were having a couple of hours away from the hospital.

United were there preparing for a Carling Cup tie against Barnsley and Sir Alex had spoken to Tracey about Jack and asked for her address.

When Jack was wheeled back into the house, there was a box of United paraphernalia sent by Sir Alex. Amongst it, there was a football with the club crest emblazoned on it.

So Jack learned to walk all over again, using the same method he had used as a toddler.

This time, he had a walker, a kind of mini Zimmer frame, and he chased that United football all over the house until he could stand unaided again.

"He used that football every single day in his rehab, " Tracey said, "because it had the United crest on it. His physios used to joke with him about it all the time."

By March this year, Jack had been brought so low by the cancer that doctors told Tracey and Craig he only had a couple of days left to live.

He came home again to the bed in the front room and the television and the football. And the couple of days turned into weeks and now the weeks have turned into months.

And as Jack lay there, surrounded by the love of his family, football began to give something back to the little boy who had given so much to it.

United have acted with great class, helping to organise the training ground visit in mid-April. Ryan Giggs, in particular, went out of his way to be kind to Jack.

Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and many others have helped to grow him an army of nearly 40,000 followers on Twitter and publicise the fact that brain tumours kill more children than any other form of cancer.

Jack Wilshere has shown a maturity and a concern beyond his years, staying in touch with Jack and his family and wearing a wristband to draw attention to fund-raising efforts on little Jack's behalf. Rooney wore the wristband, too.

Wolves fans took a huge banner with Jack's name on it to games so that Jack could see it as he lay in front of the television. The banner was signed by Mick McCarthy and the Wolves side and given to Jack as a gift.

And then there have been the messages on Twitter, from United fans, from Liverpool fans, from Manchester City fans, from fans of every team.

"People have written to us, " Tracey says, "saying that they would never have believed it but they had found themselves wanting United to win because they knew it would make Jack happy."

The end of the season was hard for the family. It showed that time was passing and sometimes all Craig and Tracey want is for time to stand still.

They have poured as much energy as they can spare into raising awareness, highlighting the fact that 1 in every 2500 children will develop a brain tumour and that the UK has only a 14% five-year survival rate.

Now that the Premier League season is over, Jack watches MUTV and recordings of old matches, the England U21s, whatever snippets of football he can catch.

He is a beautiful child, still sweet-tempered and loving despite all the agonies he has been through, still blowing kisses to his mum's helper when she pops her head round the door to say goodbye.

Sometimes he wears an expression of heart-breaking solemnity as though he cannot quite believe his life has been stolen from him like this.

Sometimes, if you talk when he is trying to watch Peppa Pig, for instance, it is replaced by a flash of indignation. Sometimes, there are glimpses of the dashing, carefree kid he used to be.

When I have to go, I kneel by his bed again and confess to him that I once went to watch City regularly as well as United.

Jack's eyes widen. "I don't like Manchester City, " he whispers. And then he smiles.

Some fool once said football isn't a matter of life and death it's more important than that. He was talking rubbish. As Manchester United supporters on this site let us send all our hopes and prayers to Jack's family and friends. RAINFISHTROMBONE

23 Jun 2011 16:52:28
"I thought that as well. AlexisS7 is the name of the account. I believe that is his official twitter page. Just like Sneijder and Rooney are on twitter, I believe Sanchez has an account too, and that may be it.

G.A.G.U.S"

Hi G.A.G.U.S....Yeah I completely agree. I know there were meetings between Gill & co with Sanchez last week, but I am sceptical how real our interest was. Whether it was the fee or not, I do now believe that Fergie wasn't 100% keen on him. Just as one of the Ed's has said before, if we had really wanted him, we would probably have gone in for him before.

Rudderpost

23 Jun 2011 16:28:16
Good evening. First time poster so please embrace me. It's my thought that although young may not be a world beater I think he will be a good addition to the squad. He can fill any forward role and offers good set pieces and pace. When park and toni Were out last season we badly needed cover. I would not sell nani. I wouldn't be surprised to see us on occasion play roon upfront alone with nani and toni wide and young dropping in behind roon. Would I prefer sanchez, of course but that's looking like it's not going to happen and at least young is left footed as despite how amazing sanchez is young may fit the squad better positionally.

I I also cannot see us spending 30 million on any of the big names being posted on here. The best signings for me would be m'villa and gotze, but I just can't see it. CM clearly needs work so fingers crossed.

Cheers

Shrek

23 Jun 2011 15:27:54
why aren't my posts being put up? i posted them 25min ago.. i cleared my internet cache ed007 before you say.. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea - try looking under Banter. If not, they are gone because one of the Editors made a decision not to post them.}

23 Jun 2011 16:00:31
united officially sign ashley young

personally i think this is a good deal, fantastic crosser of the ball and good at dead ball situations such as free kicks and corners which in my opinion is what we have been lacking badly. Rooney is ok now and again at free kicks but not persistant enough, and iv always thought giggs was rubbish at corners as well as nani....far too wasteful and not putting the ball into the right areas.....

welcome ashley....now who's next!

Robbo!

23 Jun 2011 15:42:27
Ashley young lol, we are wasting money trust me

23 Jun 2011 14:52:50
@2 Jun 2011 19:25:35
From a source working for Manchester Evening News. Changes to United's squad 2011/12: Young (at 130k per week) will replace Nani, Morrison will be added as a replacement for Scholes, Welbeck will replace Berbatov and De gea will replace VDS.


How is young gonna replace Scholes???? They dont even play the same position!!!!

23 Jun 2011 14:52:01
ashley young done and dusted now its time to wait for sanchez

Good luck with that then.

23 Jun 2011 14:46:44
Can i just say that any talk in papers about transfers are usually complete fabrications.....example: I was reading one particular paper yesterday (Irish paper, won't name it) and it claimed that Seb Larsson was in talks with Newcastle Utd and Kieren Westwood was in talks with Leeds Utd. Both players were signed by Sunderland yesterday evening.....this would be less than 6 hours after the paper went to print. Ignore all rumours in tabloids, wait for official word! {Ed007's Note - Or come on here :-)

23 Jun 2011 14:09:26
man U announce signing on Young on five year deal..... I actually think he'll be a good signing, he has pace, can play a number of different positions, can deliver from set pieces (something we're very short of), works hard, good penalty taker, proven in the premiership...

23 Jun 2011 13:52:53
Sydney, how do Barcelona expect Udinese to accept a deal for Sanchez that only adds up to £22m? Jeffren + £10m is way short of Sanchez' value. Udinese are looking for in excess of £35m for Sanchez.

G.A.G.U.S

23 Jun 2011 13:38:03
I love the quote from the Daily Telegraph today:-

Steven Gerrard, the Liverpool captain, says he is feeling "as good as ever" but could miss start of new season.

Sums him up a treat, really!!!

23 Jun 2011 12:57:18
First of all, I am a big fan of Man United ! I can t understand all the people that say Berbatov is not worth 30mil. Just look at his stats from the start of his career to now CSKA Sofia - 38 goals, Bayer L - 91, Tottenham - 46, Man United - 47, Bulgaria - 48. And I don t count the assists and key passes for others goals made... ! Leave him alone !!! As a fan I prefer Mata, rather than Wes S...He is much more mobile and can play on both flanks...He is a fantastic player and I think he is cheaper than Snejder ?! Which one of the two you would prefer EDS ?! {Ed007's Note - I need to stick with my original choice and say Sneijder, that doesn't mean he is signing, just sticking by my guns}

23 Jun 2011 12:51:39
Hi everyone. I personally think that De Gea, A.Young, P.Jones are decent buys. But we need only 1 CM. Everyones talking about Nasri, Snijder. Darria would be perfect then play Anderson, Nani, Young behind Rooney + Hernandez. What do u think ED? love this site

23 Jun 2011 12:36:19
I for one am happy with the players we have so far. De Gea/Jones/Young all will add something to our side next season....

The Premiership - last season we had no problems scoring goals, conceding was a problem hence Jones arrival to improve in this area and also put pressure on others in that area for a place..
Scholes - departing, we need someone to fill this position, and i think fergie will pull someone out the bag/ but it wont be sniejder/nasri... but maybe modric...if not modric it will be a surprise..
Young - is a fantastic addition to our squad.. his delivery is 2nd to none, something we not had for a couple of season. his corners will pay for his fee trust me. rooney/vidic/hernandez will feed off his crosses constantly.
De Gea - Obviously replacing VDS

But to all the fans saying we got no money to spend. the 3 players already combined will cost 40-50 million in fees and signing on fees etc...

Champions League - every club in europe want to beat barca, and its not always about filling your side with star studded players.. the barca side is filled with there own players... lets face it they not been very good in the transfer market over the last few years.. with alot of suspect buys.. but also players that other teams would have wanted... how many of you would have taken David Villa.. but now barca are looking to off load...

i trust SAF fully and expect us to be there challenging for all honours in 2012...

Jenny

23 Jun 2011 12:11:35
Thought I would try and start a conversation about something other then transfer gossip to try and save everyone from driving themselves crazy,

Who thinks that the Olympics would be the perfect oppotunity to test goal line technology ETC in football?

MP

23 Jun 2011 10:52:35
As fans I think we all like to dream, but sometimes we need a dose of realism. We are not going to sign Sanchez or Sneijder or any other player whose clubs are asking 30M plus. The transfer policy is clear, talented young players who can be bought for sensible money on sensible wages who retain sell on value...

Is that why the likes of Veron, Ferdinand, Berbatov and Rooney were bought for around 30million each?.

23 Jun 2011 10:30:29
The way some people are reacting on here is as if the transfer Window closed this morning.

Young is an improvement to our squad, providing healthy competition for Nani isn't a bad thing? hopefully it'll push him on to be a better player.

The whole Sanchez thing? well It's starting to bore me now, I wish Udinese and Sanchez would make their minds up, although I'm not going to pay much attention unless I see him having a Medical at United.

1 week and 2 days until we announce De Gea?

The Moon.

23 Jun 2011 09:22:48
yeah the mirror reckon hes told udinese its either barca or utd and that hes not keen on city. would make sense to me. Utds 27 million looking top

23 Jun 2011 09:01:44
According to the mirror website sanchez flat refused to get on plane to city as he wants either united or barca. From what I hear out bid is £27m which is only 3 less than city which I do believe puts us in th driving seat.

Whitey

23 Jun 2011 08:38:45
sanshez refused 2 board the plane for talks with city he his a Manchester United fan and he does not want 2 play for city he is not happy with his club utd are bk in for him whatch this space he will be are next signing in fergie we trust

23 Jun 2011 08:03:04
We may have a chance of getting Alexi Sanchez after all. He refused to board the plane to manchester for talks with City because he said they were not a club he wanted to join. He said he wanted to play for Man Utd or Barca. Barcelona are struggling to come up with a package over £22m + player because none of their players want to go to Udinese. Barca are probably still favourites but if we really want him I think he is there for the taking. Come on Fergie Sign him Up

23 Jun 2011 07:26:33
considering that citeh signed Milner, Johnson, Lescott and Barry (All english) for ridiculous prices ie more than they are worth, i think we've done well to get Ashley young for around the 15-17m quoted, will be a good squad player who can take set pieces and add a bit of flair after european games, not necessarily the only winger signing, but it could be worse. Besides, look at toni, reasonable PL player, now top quality

=v1=

23 Jun 2011 06:39:36
can anyone explain if we sign sanchez...where will we fit young?...dont say centre mid cuz if anyone of them play there.....its gonna be a defensive disaster
DJ

23 Jun 2011 04:24:58
Fed up of people on here damning Ashley Young before he's even played! I don't remember anybody minding when we first showed interest. He had a great season for Villa and has been their best player for some time.

To the fellow that mentioned Valencia's improvement since joining from Wigan - I totally agree with you. You could see potential in Toni when he was playing with Wigan, but since joining United he's really stepped it up (his development is encouraged due to being surrounded by world class coaches and staff, and also brilliant players). I believe the same might be said of Young at the end of the season. And what did Toni cost - think it was 16m?

The main point really is to trust in SAF, he rarely screws up, and if he thinks Young is worth 15m+ then he might well be.

-Joe

23 Jun 2011 03:43:26
Every 1 are saying now that we have got young, nani will leave..but i think young will replace giggs(who is going to retire next year), park(who has said he l leave), obertan, even gibson..so nani will stay..that answers a lot of people..

A question to ponder, if we can splash out 16million on young, then why didnt we go for mata for 18million?
I really feel we should try for banega, shaqiri, pjanic, kagawa etc..they look class and definite stars of future..

Surz

23 Jun 2011 01:37:53
Please can people stop saying that Sanchez might still come! He is primarily a winger and we have nani, young, park, giggs and Valencia now fergie isn't stupid enough to have 6 players who are competing for 2 places! Let's be realistic we are going for a proven European playmaker! That will conclude the summer along with young, de gea and jones! What a great transfer window, well played fergie!

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No he is not primarily a striker. He is a second striker/playmaker. Fergie probably has in mind to put Rooney back as a lead striker and Sanchez as the playmaker.

I know Hernandez is a very good striker already but his technique and hold up play isn?Ç t that good and because of that a lot of attacks breack down. Hernandez would be the "first" backup striker for Rooney up top and would still get around 40 games a season.

Could imagine that SAF has something like this in mind. (players in brackets are the first backup)

--------------Rooney(Hernandez)-----------
Nani(Young/Park)-Sanchez(Young)-Valencia

Valencias first backup would be Nani with someone of Young/Park coming in for Nani on the left.

Sanchez wouldn?Ç t be that a bad buy for us. Looking at that even Park could easily get 30 games. Young is so versatile that he?Ç d also get around 40 games.

It?Ç s a squad game and if we?Ç re honest in the offensive departement 2 new players were/are needed, especially if you consider that Berbatov is on his way out of the club.

So finally we would have:

Lone Striker: Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Owen

Second Striker: Sanchez, Young, (Rooney, Welbeck)

Left Winger: Nani, Park (Young, Giggs)

Right Winger: Valencia (Nani, Sanchez, Young)

That is every position sorted with enough backup players. We saw this season how bad we played when just 2 wingers were injured.

23 Jun 2011 00:44:44
i was the one you posted the rant over people criticising young signing. Thanks for the responses. Can't believe some fool thought i was a scouser i'm properly insulted! Can assure you i am in no way shape or form scouse. I don't have a cilla black mug, ken dodd dvd or a single shellsuit. Just got fed up with all the moaning.

23 Jun 2011 00:04:11
"In reply to;

Sanchez tweeted this about an hour ago: "Barcelona se congela, Man City ofrece :/"

Anyone want to translate? I think he'll still end up at Barca.

@ Doubt it's a real account my friend!

United Till I Die 1987"

Sorry didn't realise it was a fake account. A few websites had been reporting on the tweet (that's where I got the story from). I guess they didn't know it was fake either.

Matthew...