Manchester United Banter Archive June 23 2012

23 Jun 2012 22:09:42
Non united related and not sure if been posted before however thought may be a different topic to post. Based On Barcelona usual starting 11 what would you value each player at:
Valdes
Abidal
Pique
Puloy
Alves
Busquets
Iniesta
Xavi
Pedro
Messi
Villa


KevDarko {Ed007's Note - After a quick calculation I would value them all collectively as equal to Danny Welbeck +£10 million.}

Valdes=£20 million
Abidal=Retired
Pique=£30million
Alves=£20-25 million
Busquets=£20 million (young and spanish starter only reason)
Iniesta=£50-60million
Xavi=£35-40million
Pedro=£25 million
Villa=£20-25million
Messi=£100-120 million

And you missed Sanchez=£35million

fearny

I'm not convinced a 32yr old Xavi would go for £35-40million.
I would say realistically;

Valdes £14million
Abidal Retired
Pique £28million
Alves £22million
Busquets £18million
Iniesta £48million
Xavi £23million
Pedro £17million
Villa £16million
Messi £95million

A few random prices there but IMO those are how much they are worth, putting aside the extra £££ added on just because they play for Barca.

TK-Red

May sound stupid but in todays market with PSG , City etc Messi could go for 150 even 200m+ imo.

Tom.

A 29 year old dimitar berbatov when for close to 31 million... Xavi is worlds apart from berbatov and he us surely worth close to 40 if not atleast 30

fearny

Berba was a case of us paying well over the odd's because of Levy.

He's always been a pain, shame we didn't use that money to buy Modric.

Red Joe

Valdes= £18 million
Abidal= Retired
Pique= £28million
Alves= £22 million
Busquets= £16 million
Iniesta= £72 million
Xavi= £25 million
Pedro= £18 million
Villa= £25 million
Messi= £110 million
Sanchez = £35 million
Alcantara = £22 million

T0MB0Z

Berba was 27 when we signed him

DesiRed.

23 Jun 2012 21:55:21
Xavi and Iniesta have manged to complete more passes in 4 games in the Euro's than Henderson, Adam, Gerrard, Downing and Spearing (combined) managed in the whole of last season.

Stevie g has been immense with good quality players around him u need that no matter how good you are ronaldo and messi have said that many times in the press the other 4 would not be good enough to play for accrington stanley who are they exactly!

I would love this stat to be true - but refuse to believe it's possible.

T0MB0Z

23 Jun 2012 20:44:22
Just a question which will no doubt set some of you off on one!lol if Utd received what would be a decent offer for Da Silvas,Evans,Carrick,Anderson,Park, Nani,Welbeck,Hernandez, which would you sell? For me for Utd to get back to top of Europe the mind set of oh he's a favourite or he does us a good job as got to be are they good enough class for Utd to get Champions league titles

Anderson and Park would be the ones i'd let go. Welbeck is improving every game, Hernandez can be lethal when in good form. The Da Silva's are still young and are growing, Carrick is vital to the midfield, he does a great job. And I don't think you could find a better 4th choice centre back anywhere.

RedDevil19

Carrick- Is in good form, brilliant passer and defensively stronger then people give him credit for. Keep.

Evans, Welbeck.- Both improved leaps and bounds last season, if they continue improving at the same rate could be world class assets for the future. Keep.

Nani - Not the biggest fan but shown good commitment to the club and can always show a bit of flair and make a difference in a game. Keep.

Da Silvas - Still decent prospects making steady progress,
Rafael- Definate keep,
Fabio- Not convinced we need two players who are so simular, see how loan goes.

Chicharito - Hard one, like the lad, trains well, good impact player. Dramatically needs to improve his passing to be a quality modern footballer IMO. Keep for now.

Anderson - Is a quality player when he has a good run of games. But is always injured. Links well with cleverly...I'd probably give him another year.

Park - I hate to say it because he is one of my favourite players, but last seasons performance was poor. With new arrivals in the team I can't see him getting much game time. Sell.

Red Joe

Carrick..... out the door. Alot seem to rate him but overall a very average player. Forces United to play on the backfoot. Took some bad beatings this year with him in the team.

Park..... A good servant but only a bit player. Time to move on

Anderson.... a good player but injury prone..maybe time to move on

No name, so you'd get rid of two CM's?

Leaving us with Cleverly,Scholes, Giggs... Fletch if he recovers?

Thank God you're not manager. Who would you bring in who's better then? you'll need two CM's 30m budget.

Red Joe

23 Jun 2012 20:30:55
There's some on here so called in the know(just like in the know over Hazard)sayin Modric agreed with Madrid,I've no doubt if he's agent as been about them Utds,Madrid&PSG will all have agreed terms,The hard bit as we know is convincing Levy.He of coarse going to push for best price&would prefer Modric to sold abroad than to another english club. Think a deal still pos but wouldn't rule out it would take a Carrick,Anderson even Berba goin other way unless Utd willing to put the cash up

I can tell you now there has been no deal agreed with any club regarding a transfer.

Supasub

A deal with Utd is further down the line and has been for a long time but now madrid come knocking modrics peeps will be speaking to them next week. hard one-Manchester, Madrid, Manchester, Madrid?

23 Jun 2012 19:43:44
For me the player I'd most like to see come to United after watching the Euros so far is Coentrao. He's quality going forward and can do a decent job at the back. the odds of signing him are probable very low though.

Hoppy

No button for massive agree! He's looked excellent, better than Alba for me... Fergy sign him up!

Ye but if this tournament never happened I wouldn't go anywhere near him... No question he is quality going forward (ex winger) but defensively for madrid this year at times has been woeful

fearny

A little rash in defence sometimes but I do think he is one of the best LB's around (after A Cole of course). Still, he will not be available and even if he was would be too expensive given how much Real payed for him last year

Gav

23 Jun 2012 18:51:26
looking forward to tonights game with the likes of cabaye, m'vila, debuchy, jordi alba. it will be intersring
sparky

Did the french lot even show up I noticed Alba

French showed exactly how good they are tonight looked they had a ruck before the game

Pardoe

That's a bit harsh isnt it pardoe. the team lost due to negative tactics. Debuchy isnt suited to be an attacking winger, Cabaye was class the whole match weather you liked it or not, he hassled opponents and was a constant pain in the a** for the spanish, m'vila long range passing and calmness was very impressive but he seemed a little rusty and not ready for the game, normal after an injury. Let's not forget the french had 44 % possession, which is very impressive but their attack was non existent. Alba was good in attack but not really impressive.
Mick

23 Jun 2012 17:40:45
Also hows the move gone?
Jono

Thanks for asking mate, just sweet, just enough life here to not think your in the middle of nowhere and peaceful enough when you want it to be. For rest and recovery the place is perfect,

the beach in the morning "walking with marley" seals the deal nicely

maybe somewhere down the line we'll grab a beer, get in a game

..constantine..

Indeed buddy.

Will look at a CL group game midweek, less hassle from the wrecking ball haha.

Jono

23 Jun 2012 15:21:10
For a start do you honestly think SAF was going to place a offer for a player who has an awful attitude? It could well just be a marketing stunt by hazards reps to make him a well known star. There has been no comment by united that we ever placed a bid in for him and the way he played against england showed hes all mouth.

Now that's over what do you think of tunnicliffe making his debut this season? played 30 odd games in championship last term and i've seen him play - real promise. The new Roy Keane we have been begging for.

Why would Pogba want to go to an inferior league like Italy with lesser pay and crawling with racists? I say he will still sign a new contract - or rot in the ressies this season.

What about this james rodqiguez fella? Young lad could be next Ronaldo.

Id like to see tunnicliffe and petrucci invoved next season even if they play 20 games each i think there both more than good enough to play a part im not talking week in week out

1) Hazard is confident but sometimes looks cocky and arrogant. He's had a terrific career so far and im sure he'll be a top player. Stop being bitter and picking reasons for why we knocked him back instead of facing reality - he knocked us back.

2) as much as I love tunns he won't break through this season. Although I like how you've billed him as Keane class when he's yet to kick a ball. Nice one.

3) Pogba will leave, he's not a United fan so he has no reason to stay and imo juventus are just as big as us, in fact bigger in terms tradition.

4) a country full of racists? You mean exactly like the U.K? Calling the majority of Italians racist is a bold statement, what evidence do you have to support this claim? (the odd 'monkey' chants don't really act as evidence to condemn a nation of people.

5) let pogba rot in the reserves? What a stupid and selfish thing to say. Basically you've just said because he doesn't want to play for us (for whatever reasons) you want him to fail.

6) Ronaldo, Messi, Zidane, Figo, yashin, cantina, baresi, etc. Are once in a generation players. Rodriguez may reach talent levels like that of Ribery etc. Or status levels like Kaka but he wont ever be as good as Ronaldo and co. Also, like tunns you're putting unneeded pressure on his young shoulders, the last player we hyped was the next scholes, or cleverley and that's not currently going well is it.

The Moon.

You've changed your stance on Pogba, Moon. I remember you saying not to long ago that you reckon he will stay. Also you're being a bit harsh on the OP with comparing Tunnicliffe to Keane as you see loads of articles and people doing exactly that, young players will always be compared to great players if they are good enough and it is up Tunnicliffe to do his best and not let these comments go to his head or overwhelm him.

CnM

The Moon, you need to sort your views out mate,

You're right about Hazard, he chose someone else and Pogba will probs leave but that's as far as you're right.

BUT ''a country full of racists? You mean exactly like the u.k''!!

SO many footballers like Ballotelli and Yaya toure have commented on how amazing England is at knocking out racism and that's one reason they love it here. We have the best record of cracking down on racism in the WORLD! So sort your facts out before you say stupid things!

Secondly Man Utd has easily as much history as Juve, what kind of fan are you! No joke, sort it out and don't come on to a Manchester United site, lambasting our tradition!

And finally unless you can see into the future you have no idea how a player is going to turn out so stop saying Rodriguez can't become as good as Ronny because you just don't know!

Red Joe

CnM - I have indeed, but only because im getting the impression that SAF doesn't care anymore and he's done with the matter. Plus with Kagawa, Powell and possibly 1 more,it would limit game time for pogba even further.

Okay, that may have been harsh and a lot of you guys will know how highly i consider tunnicliffe stating numerous times that i believe he's more important to our future than both ravel and pogba.

Red Joe - i don't mean in football terms mate, i mean the general attitude of the country. Im Spanish and I've had a lot of abuse over the years regarding my nationality. Look at how British people react to asians and eastern Europeans...not all, some are great but we have more racists and prejudice than Italy. Although is hardly the place for a racism debate. All i was trying to say is that Italy is a country with less general racism as a nation.

Secondly, you miss my point completely, im not demeaning united and what we stand for. In success terms we haven't been consistent over the past century and a bit. Whereas in my opinion Juventus a long with Real Madrid have been constantly successful. Again, my point was simply that its hardly a step down, more of a side step. Although we may believe his playing time will be next to nothing he may have had assurances from Conte.

You're right, we won't know but i believe that he will be a ronaldinho, kaka, Gerrard status player rather than a Ronaldo, zidane, etc. Status player.

P.s I apologise if caused any offence with the racism debate.

The Moon.

The moon, O.k I'll chill out a bit a bit.

To be fair I can't argue with someone who's experienced it first hand and I didn't really think about racism against orientals or spaniards. If it is a problem then it's a shame.

I may have been over zealous in my reaction.

Red Joe

If memory serves correct, Moon's been kicking around these parts for quite a while and some people like reading his views. Whether they're "sorted" or not.

M.D.

To be fair, I realised I was over the top. And i apologise I was out of line.

Red Joe

23 Jun 2012 13:08:39
why is everyone so hung up on jordi alba? He is nowhere good enough. His tackling isn't good, his positioning is bad, he has little strength and gets pushed off the ball easily. All he has is pace. He'll do well at barca as they usually retain possession at levels in the 70 per cent so all he'll do is push up into midfield as an extra sideways pass option but in the majority of games wont need to defend much. Whereas this is a more physical league and he'd need to defend more where his shortcomings will be exposed.

23 Jun 2012 10:30:25
Has anyone seen Bryan Oviedo play or can shed any light on the lad?

Cban

23 Jun 2012 05:21:50
Anyone know what number powell has been given? Just wondering.

Daniel

Either Obertans 26 or Gibsons 28 I'd imagine. Or 42 some greedy person from France had it before.

27.5

OTSPY

Don't know, Why do people disagree to this question?

Supasub

22 Jun 2012 23:52:51
As for Nani, let me ask you, would you rather have an electric winger who makes and scores great goals, or 25m in my, I mean our bank account?

No contest, of course you would rather have the money. You know where the fun is, that's why we fleece, I mean love you.

Arn't you loving Martin Ferguson's work, he's super!

Love

Malcolm and the kids {Ed007's Note - An electric winger......are we allowed to play robots now? Going by your other posts you're an idiot and really starting to scunner me. That is not an advisable course of action. Yellow card for simulation of a plank.........}

Ed007 great response made me chuckle. Keep up the good work. Bookedredmole