Manchester United Banter Archive November 23 2011

23 Nov 2011 23:22:51
Let me dispel that little myth of yours 'RedDevil92', Liverpool have a much better set up then United to combat Barcelona's strengths, I can guarantee we would give them a harder game then you, even if you had your first eleven.

Jatt YNWA
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Swansea went to Anfield and had 60%(?) possession. They are a team who will fighting for their lives in May. Imagine what Barcelona would do to you! Stupid statement Jatt!

G.A.G.U.S

23 Nov 2011 23:00:21
Arsenal finishing top of their group could face:

Ajax / AC Milan / Lille? / Porto? / Napoli

None of these are simple tasks. Although better options than Barcelona, Bayern & Real Madrid admittedly.

Sydney!

23 Nov 2011 22:45:04
Hopefully Chelsea can finish 2nd, Chelsea finishing 2nd is very good for us. If we finished 2nd with Chelsea winning their group we could face:

Barcelona / Real Madrid / Bayern / Inter / Apoel or Zenit.

If Chelsea finish second we could face:

Barcelona / Real Madrid / Bayern / Inter / Leverkusen / Apoel or Zenit.

If Chelsea finish 2nd we would have an extra option (Leverkusen) AND Chelsea will take up one of the big guns as they cannot play Leverkusen again. They could fluke Apoel or Zenit, but I am hoping we can do that if we can get a result at Basle. You watch Arsenal will get Napoli or AC Milan after winning their group, sod's law.

Sydney!

23 Nov 2011 22:38:28
Be a good follower, does not mean being blind! It takes courage to admit that we also fail.
Most United fans like to show off and pretend to be perfect and always lose or draw you have to attack the City or Liv'pool because we are ashamed to admit that we are not perfect and will not win forever.
When criticizing the team does not always mean lack of support, on the contrary, we are also angry about the situation because no one likes to lose just like you. Please stop messing around and everyone seems to judge that only you know watching football. I think this is a DEMOCRATIC site, so everyone has a say what they feel and see.
We are not to be convincing enough to give guarantees that we can win at Barcelona, ​​Madrid or Bayern. Can we win? Of course! This is football and there are rarely two alike games, but now stop invented stories when we did not play well!
The whole world knows that we are united but not blind!
Agree or Disagree, I just do not care, I am a fan just like you and I also want to always win even if it is almost impossible.

forgive my english, I'm a portuguese speaker!

HolyUnited

23 Nov 2011 21:58:54
They might have beaten Chelsea, but I am confident we could take them over 2 legs. RAINFISHTROMBONE

23 Nov 2011 20:54:54
So SAF walked out on the press conference early when questionned on the struggles in Europe this year. Does it just highlight that even he knows we are not good enough?

I sat there last night and the crowd were very quiet. The consensus was that we know we are just not good enough, there is no expectation of any brilliance and we expected what we got.

There are some who believe SAF when he says we played well, there are no problems. However for me SAF sounded like comical Ali , there are no tanks in Baghdad, but in this case the team is playing well. SAF can tell us as often as he wants the story he wants us to believe but the crowd last night knew better.

Now we are almost certain of only being able to attain second in the group we should hope (if we get through) to avoid Barca and especially Madrid as I would fear (even with our usual improvement in the new year) a bit of a beating.

We will likely improve in the new year but we are in decline as a team at the moment. Last night Carrick played well, if not for him our midfiled would have been shockingly overrun. Nani wanted to beat 3 men every time he got the ball to prove he was the best portuguese on show. Yes we have a similar team to the one that went to the final but we were faced by a struggling Chelsea and Schalke before Barca , the team is another year older and the same problems exist without resolution.

Lastly those who say Gibson's european experience was worth more than Ravel's skill is actually shaming the ethos the club was built on and tells you why the crowd were that bit quieter last night. SAF please note.

Red Man

23 Nov 2011 19:45:14
Chelsea entertain Wolves at Stamford Bridge this weekend, and John Terry is looking forward to their arrival.

He said, "Wolverhampton is a great town. I love the Black Country as it has two of my favourite syllables."

im here all week ;)

RedDevil92

23 Nov 2011 19:22:54
Although i am sad with the present situation of our team but in a way it can be a blessing...
i want man utd to play either real,barca or bayern in last 16..of these three we will surely beat bayern...now before all of u start berating me let me tell u bayern are not that much great as all of u are making them to be....they are on the same level as we are ...
now if we could have a fully fit team against real or barca i am sure we would give them a run for their money and might beat them with a sound strategy...
this team would be suitable for those ties...

de gea

jones smalling vidic fabio/jan buy

carrick fletcher/january buy

cleverly

nani young

rooney


subs:
lindegaard
ferdinand
rafael
valencia
anderson
berbatov
hernandez

absolutely no evra, and rooney in striker's position is a necessity.


do let me know ur opinion...

PRATEEK {Ed004's Note - We have found someone as optimistic as myself :)

23 Nov 2011 19:10:27
people are probably going to disagree here but im gunna say it anyway.

our team just isn't good enough this year, we play with two out and out wingers and then we have two attacking fullbacks, which in my opinion is where we're going wrong, i think if we are going to play two attacking fullbacks then we shouldn't be playing out an out wingers, and visa versa.

so basically we rely to much on the old style of play and it just doesn't work anymore, the game has move on, imo we need two attacking fullbacks and instead of having two out and out wingers we should go for 2 attacking mids and two defensive mids to allow the fullbacks to go forward and provide this width. like this.

________degea______
rafa_smalling_vidic_evra
______CDM_CDM_____
___CAM__CM__CAM___
_________ST_________

The two attacking fullbacks will provide the width, the two CDM' will cover them, the 2 CAM could be support attackers and the cm could spread the play about.

for this to work we'd need to get a new defensive mid, and maybe two new CAM' and possibly a new lb to replace evra. so the ideal team would be this.

__________de gea__________
rafa___smalling___vidic___alba
_______jones_martinez______
__cleverley_modric_rooney___
_________hernandez________

keightley!

eds can you place this in the banter section please. {Ed004's Note - Rooney would be played centrally, he is not a wide player.}

23 Nov 2011 18:06:45
Do any of you think chico might leave in 1 or 2 years time. Fergie doesnt play him and I know he will be grateful for the opportunity given to him but if madrid etc come in for him doubling or trippling his wages then you never know

I would have him over berbs anyday

?

23 Nov 2011 17:39:41
Am I missing something or do they give out the Premiership title and Champions League in November because reading this site you lot have got me believing that we have lost both already. This is basically the same team that reached the final last year and now suddenly is not good enough. There is no bigger critic of the regime at United than me and I have called time after time for some world class players to be brought in,. But one thing i can guarantee is that Fergie will sort out whatever the problem is at the moment and we will come again. Do you think any team that wins its group is going to want to face us I don't think so. As for the league, is there anyone out there stupid enough to write us off at this point of the season. We are Manchester United don't you ever forget it. RAINFISHTROMBONE

23 Nov 2011 17:11:34
So G.A.G.U.S and Mik are you both going to tell me that everything is going to be ok and we are going to pick up number 20 and that city are not now better than us? I have been at nearly every home game for the last 15 years guys so dont try to make out that I am not entitled to an opinion. This is the worst team I have watched in those 15 years and there will be nobody brought in to improve it. Are you guys telling me that I am wrong about VDV and that Bebe was worth the spend instead? With all due respect lads take your heads out of the clouds and understand the concerns the real fans have. I always feared the day Liverpool might catch us. Never thought it would be city though. This mess needs sorting and quick. Fergie owes the fans who pay his wages at least that. We are still Manchester United, we can still attract good players but we have to actually contact them in order to sign them.

Stephen
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The real fans? And who would they be Stephen? I've already been on this site plenty of times this season criticising the team and the Glazers. Do you think I am blind to the lack of quality in this team? I've said plenty of times that Evra needs replacing, I've said plenty of times that we need someone to come in and replace Ferdinand, I've said hundreds of times that we need TWO central midfielders and we need a world class striker. Will all this happen? Of course it won't, I'm not stupid. I can see maybe 1 midfielder and a left back and we will probably go for cheap options. We are the biggest club in the world, yet players like Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema, Di Maria, Ganso and Goetze don't want to join us. Why is that? I'm not a blind sheep. I can see when we're not good enough!

G.A.G.U.S

23 Nov 2011 16:28:51
Reflecting on last night's game and our form over the season so far, I offer the following for discussion.
Fergie has said many times that with young players you have to accept they make mistakes as they learn the game and last night was yet another example, De Gea should have dispatched the ball into row Z from a bobbly back pass by Jones. The first goal found Jones caught flat footed then he just stuck a leg out and in it went. We all want to see youngsters playing so we have to accept the odd mistake early in their careers.
The midfield does lack creativity and personally I think we need to make a couple of signings to supplement the squad. This won't be popular, but Carrick should be a regular, it is no coincidence that in his time with us we have won 4 EPLs and reached 3 CL finals. He is a player that needs game time, you can't keep bringing him in and out of the team.
I appreciate that the Fergie generation expect constant success, sadly football isn't like that, it goes in cycles and if we finish in the top four for a couple of seasons or so whilst we rebuild again then so be it. We are going through a transition and yes we can all pick fault and moan about the team and the players, or alternatively we can rally around the team and trust Fergie will get it right, if not this season then certainly in the next couple of seasons.

Keanooh

23 Nov 2011 16:22:19
On the BBC website (and last nights coverage) it says that if Benfica win against Galati then they will be top. Also the table for our group shows us below Benfica even though we have a better goal difference. Surely if we win by the same or more goals as Benfica do then we will be top or is there another rule that I don'tknow about?

Welsh Dragon {Ed002's Note - The goal difference only comes in to it if the head-to-head results are the same.}

23 Nov 2011 15:25:51
Blair fool
I think there are very few true worldclass players about at the moment ronaldo and messi are worldclass zidane was worldclass but that is the standard I set for worldclass
by the way you are a worldclass fool
jred

23 Nov 2011 14:10:47
how is tunnicliffe doing out on loan,anybody know?joeyored

23 Nov 2011 13:32:42
Ive been slating Carrick for a while now but he played very well last night and actually dictated the game. I felt we missed a middle man tho as Nani's surging runs etc there was only Berbatov there and no link up man.

Yes we missed Rooney last night, but i think the team as a whole once we went one nil down started to play really well.

Thinking about it, Carrick andCleverly could be a very good duo in midfield as they would complement each other. Think it been previously mentioned.

Nice to see Smalling back and Fabio played really well and even Evra started to play and look like his old self for majority of game albeit with a few lapses of concentration now and again.

I know Fabio made some mistakes but his speed made up for it as he could get back.

Jones played well and a good learning curve for him last night.

I think Vidic and Smalling/Jones will be our CB pairing although i think Jones looks better at RB than Smalling has done. But we now have Fabio and Rafael fit now and raring to go. I really like the energy the twins bring to the team and their never say die attitude. Sometimes they try too hard but you can't blame them.

On another note we seem to be getting alot of i juries over the past two seasons or so. Do some of you find it strange, we should have top fitness coaches etc but in particular our defence has had alot of problems. I know so of this is due to players age etc and some plyers are more injury prone than others i.e owen and ferdinand.

I can't say i wasn't surprised not to see Morrison on the bench. He'll probably play against Palace and will hopefully get 45 mins or more. Be nice to see morrison pogba and fryers start against Palace.


AS far as i see it the CC should be the place for us the blood our youngsters and see of they are ready to play in prem and Palace will give our youngsters a good game

23 Nov 2011 13:15:30
Worldclass to me is a player that no one would argue is one of the very best in the world in there position
messi yes nani no ronaldo yes suarez no
like I said before I think there are maybe only 10 worldclass players in the world
jred

23 Nov 2011 13:12:21
okay the game last night was decent..i fault evra for slipping and being out of position for the first goal..and he was bad defensively..

the others had a decent game..apart from valencia who just isnt into full gear yet..

for newcastle i would get rooney in for valencia..change the back four to jones smalling vidic fabio

carrick did well last night going forward and did pick out some insane passes!

rudi

23 Nov 2011 12:06:03
It's been a strange season so far, we have played 20 games and lost just one, yet we are five points behind the EPL leaders and we need a draw to get 2nd place in the CL group.

Sydney!

23 Nov 2011 11:25:57
What can I say about last night apart from terrible the cheque book needs to come out. Without Rooney we are a lost team. There's not much I can say about our midfield apart from from the worst I have ever seen at united a shambles. Sneijder, diarra (Madrid) and get rid of our not even in the best top 20 midfielders in England.

Neil muff forever.

23 Nov 2011 10:55:37
Ed001's Note - Modric, Xavi, Iniesta, all far
better players than Rooney and none as
prone to insane acts of idiocy in a fit of
temper. Rooney would rather charge round
like a bull in a china shop than use what
little intelligence he has to position himself
in the correct place to be a real threat. He is
one of the best strikers of a ball in the
world, yet he very rarely even tries a shot
from distance.}
Ed you call syd and us other(utd) fans bitter
but you saying that modric is better than rooney just shows how bitter you are
rooney is an all round better player than modric.granted xavi and iniesta are better but rooney is very close to them.
And u saying that rooney charges like a bull instead of being in the right position is total nonsense...its that drive that makes him a special player,he always wants the ball and if he cant get it he tracks back and gets it,he is forever working hard for the team,and he is a game changer who can alter any game with a bit of magic...so saying that modric is better than rooney just shows how bitter and deluded you are.....
But that is expected from liverpool fans isn't it!!
G1 {Ed001's Note - or perhaps you are just biased and see nothing wrong with a forward being at right back when the team is on a break and then wondering why the wingers give away the ball? Sorry lad but there is nothing bitter about me, or deluded, quite the opposite. Modric is more all round, he is far better defensively than Rooney and offers almost as much going forward to the team. If all you have is insults, instead of any kind of intelligent analysis of the roles of players, then your opinion will be just dismissed as the bitter, deluded, biased ramblings of the clueless fan who never sees any bad about their own team's players. You think his drive makes him special and that is why England suffers with dross instead of top class players. You would rather have a player who runs round like a headless chicken than a top class player who gets himself into the right positions to win the ball back without being noticeable. It is nice that Rooney puts in effort, but he is not learning how to put that effort into the right areas. If you can't see that, then that is your problem.}

23 Nov 2011 10:05:10
Sir Alex Ferguson admitted that he was not sure Wayne Rooney would be fit for Manchester United's Premier League game against Newcastle after the striker sat out the 2-2 draw with Benfica.
Rooney sustained a hip injury in the weekend win at Swansea but Ferguson had hoped to have him available for Tuesday's UEFA Champions League clash at Old Trafford.
He failed to recover in time to feature in the squad and it remains to be seen whether he will be back in contention for the visit of high-flying Newcastle on Saturday.
Ferguson will not make a decision until nearer kick-off as he wants to give Rooney every opportunity to take part.
Asked about the England striker's condition after the match with Benfica, Ferguson said: "He wasn't fit for tonight, so we need to wait to see what he is like over the next few days.
"We will give him every chance, of course - we did for today, but he wasn't really fit, so we'll just have to wait."

HERBIE

23 Nov 2011 08:40:10
Oh the irony,
in june i had an argument with my real madrid supporting roomates, regarding madrid players saying they too could have clobbered united in the CL final.

We made a little bet on what would happen if madrid meet united this season.

If we finish second, i hope we dont draw madrid, but i have a funny feeling we will.
Oh well, guess i better start looking for a new roomate cause if we get thrashed, i ll never hear the end of it.

23 Nov 2011 06:11:29
To those who want Nani to be sold :-
HOW DO YOU GUYS SLEEP AT NIGHT ?

23 Nov 2011 01:45:34
people keep saying that on this form whoever we play in the next round(assuming we make it, lets not be arrogant) will beat us. Now lets look at this properly, the next round is after christmas in fact we'd have played what 10-12 games before the next round, who's to say we haven't come out of our slum by then? just think 10-12 games ago we were thumping Arsenal 8-2 and playing great football so why isn't it possible that we could be playing like that in 10-12 games time? Also we always play better in the second half of the season and we could have signed one or two players by the time the first knock out round game starts. Seriously people we need abit more positivity around here, don't let the scousers drag you down with their team. It wasn't a great performance but a much improved one, from what i saw tonight we are starting to move in the right direction.

Shappy

23 Nov 2011 00:15:57
I have seen on many Rumour sites that there are four teams that are been said to have United scouts at there matches alot more than others. The four teams are Everton, Spurs, Borussia Dortmund and Napoli! I am not saying that these transfers will happen I'm just saying what players are most likely been reported back to SAF as been worth a look in the end he decides what happens!

Napoli have great players but it's obvious enough that if scouts are there it is to keep tabs on Cavani, Hamsik and Lavezzi. In my view these 3 players are top class but Napoli are very stubbourn when it comes to transfers. Most likely-Hamsik

Borussia Dortmund have made no secret of Uniteds attempts to open talks over players and the 3 that have being linked most are Subotic, Gotze and Kagawa. Gotze is a brilliant young palyer but he has stated that he feels he is to young to move abroad yet but I'm sure that SAF could change his mind. Most likely-Gotze

Evertons Rodwell and Barkley have made an impression on SAF and with the likes of Gibson, Macheda, Dioufe and owen there to be used as make weights in any deal it looks likely that SAF may look at raiding the toffees. Most likely-Rodwell

Spurs have 3 in demand players in Modric, Sandro and Bale. Modric wanted out during the summer but despite a huge bid from Chelsea he is still there. Ferdinand and Carrick are falling out of favour at United and could be offered in a deal. I can see Harry been tempted by such an offer and I would not be suprised if this happened in January! Most likely-Modric

AdrianDManUFan

23 Nov 2011 00:05:35
Couple of points:
1. We played ok, but we struggled when Benfica came forward. Vidic clearly makes a very big difference when he plays.

2. Michael Carrick played very well. He seemed more confident when going forward, and played some brilliant passes.

3. Man City will more than likely be playing Thursday night football. That is very good news for us in the league.

4. Cavani is fast becoming one of the worlds best strikers. Blair won't appreciate his ability because he thinks the cannibal(Suarez) is the best, so no point in listening to his views. He called him cr@p a few days ago, now he says he's decent. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

5. All the Liverpool fans coming on here gloating about us drawing tonight, I refer you to Red Man's comment from a few weeks back - 'Liverpool fans cheering for another team beating United is like a man cheering for another who can give his wife the orgasm he can't give'

6. Nico Gaitan is not worth £40million.

G.A.G.U.S
ps - Mario Gomez is the best striker in the world.

23 Nov 2011 00:00:20
Never understood why people moan about finishing second and meeting better teams in the last 16. Got to beat the best to be the best. Honestly I'd rather go out to inter in the last 16 than go out to Inter in the semi's.

Concentrate on the league. If we can't beat them in the next round then what's the point in going any further. Getting to the final facing a weak set of teams is pointless.. unless we're beating the teams like bayern and madrid then we're not champions of Europe.

Joe