Manchester United Banter Archive November 23 2012

 

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23 Nov 2012 23:36:24
Am I the only person who in the future wishes to see Kagawa play behind Hernandez in certain cup games when RVP and Rooney need to be rested, are injured, etc.

I would love to see this line up for a lower league FA Cup game;

__________________De Gea_________________
__________Keane___Smalling___Evans_________
Toni_______________Jones____________Buttner
______Petrucci_____Tunners______Powell______
_______________Kagawa____________________
___________________Hernandez______________

I haven't been around for a while so I hope everyone is okay :). enjoy you weekend.

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - Hi Moon, nice to hear from you buddy. I hope everything is fine, I haven't seen you post for ages.}

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Are we allowed an extra player? :)

19-20 MUFC

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Take out tunners, I don't think we could sneak a big lad like him onto the pitch as well. ;)

-JakeW

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23 Nov 2012 23:38:30
i wish SAF doesnt play giggs tomorrow or i swear to god i wont watch the match and i will be missing the first game this year.

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I am really hoping for a big result and we need it. I am also hoping Chelsea beats City. I hope we see Cleverly, anderson, Carrick, Valencia in the midfield.

Shahram

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Giggs and Scholes are bound to start. We'll underestimate them just like we did Norwich.
NoMidfield

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24 Nov 2012 13:50:20
please only 1 of carrick giggs and scholes.
i think he will play carrick with either cleverly or anderson and we will batter them 4-1. Rooney MOM
Will Red

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23 Nov 2012 23:14:29
Jose is far too egotistic to win trophies with someone else's team.

Syd!

Where you getting this from? Taking Chelsea out of it as anyone would get who they wanted back then as that boss, Christ he even got 30m players he didn't want!

At Inter he signed 3 in his first season, 4 his second and 1 of those was the Etoo - ibrrahimovic swap. 1st season at Real he bought 4, second 5 (including youngsters Callejon and Varane) and think it was just 2 this summer but a massive clear out.

I don't see how 18 signings in 5 summers while shaping 2 different teams into title winners is egotistical to the point he wouldn't use the majority of SAF's squad.

If he were to join us or in fact anyone was to join us they would need around 3-4 signings to make us an elite team again as we are all saying plus replacements for Rio, Giggs, Scholes and Evra in the squad over the next 2 years so that could be around 6 signings and a couple of youth promotions and that would be us keeping Ando and Fletch.

I think the only difference would be as I have said before if Jose were to come in he would want it all done within 2 summers so his team is great by the second season like he always states he wants.

Jono

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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Sydney talking about a scenario where we signed Strootman/Bender, Rodriguez, Baines and Hummels? In that case then we wouldn't need a great deal more to improve us and I'm not sure Mourinho would want to come in without bringing in his own players, which I don't see as a good thing as I'm not entirely convinced by his spending habits at previous clubs.

TK-Red

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JM is a fantastic manager and he's got an ego. But we need someone like him as he has confidence in himself. He won CL with Porto on a shoestrimg budget. He went to inter when they were struggling and won CL . Then Real won la liga when barca had been so dominant. So how can anyone argue against him being united manager?
NoMidfield

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TK

I don't get what you mean about Jose? Do you mean your not convinced with the players he has bought in his previous positions? And do you mean Jose wanting to bring some payers he wants in is not as a good thing?

If hypothetically he got the job this summer and we had done no business in jan we would all still want a Top LB, 2 top CM's and a top LW to replace Nani. So that's 4 minimum for anyone who comes in. Jose included. Now where I see the difference is other managers might go for top players in 2-3 of those and just a good player in the other Jose would have a player picked for each one and expect them to arrive at whatever point. So the bill could be 100m for say Rodriguez, Vidal, Cabaye and Baines. All top players we would all be creaming over and want SAF to try for just now anyway.

So what I'm saying is if it were Jose or not the next man if he takes over this summer will need a big amount to get the team back into the elite in the world again and as I said the second season will need more to help cover the departures of the oldies and do any tinkering.

Jono

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23 Nov 2012 16:23:41
Did anyone attend the statue unveiling today? What's the statue like? And was tere any special guests?
U.T.I.D

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I dint like the statue to be honest

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Looks nothing like him..
BUT it's still a great thing and he deserves it.

JK92

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Some people are slamming the statue for its resemblance, it is a younger Fergie donning clothes he wears today.

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23 Nov 2012 14:40:41
A very important and correct gesture to give SAF a statue. Now to give Scholes and Giggs one!

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Giggs dont need a statue coz atm he,s like one when he,s on the pitch

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Giggs scholes and g nev for me. great servants to our club

ms85

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23 Nov 2012 14:35:37
I totally disagree with anyone who says that Ronaldo, Kagawa, Rooney and RVP can't all fit into the same XI. In the summer we are going to lose Nani, Scholes & Giggs and probably Evra & Ferdinand also. So a significant cash out lay is needed over the next two windows.

Bringing in Baines, Bender, Hummels & Ronaldo would replace all the named above. People say Ronaldo doesnwork hard, but we would signficantly strengthen the spine of the team and the left hand side.

____________De Gea
Rafael__Smalling__Hummels__Baines
_______Cleverly__L. Bender
__Kagawa___Rooney___Ronaldo
_____________RVP

Kagawa, Rooney & Ronaldo all would change positions, much like Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez did. Rooney natrually drifts out to the left and Ronaldo naturally comes inside. I think it would be a very difficult team to pick up. Cleverly and Bender are good passers, Bender is very solid also and the heart of the defence is solid. Baines is also more solid than Evra and Rafael is excellent.

In terms of sales figures of players I would expect that we can recoup £25-£30 million (selling Nani, Macheda, Evra, Wooton, Bebe and maybe one or two others). That initself would pay for Hummels, then Bender will be around £15 million, as would Baines. Then around £70 million on Ronaldo with Nike helping with the finance.

With the departure of said players, we would free up between 300-400k if not more. This would help a lot with wages.

I think its all plausible, so I'm hopeful!

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - The team looks unbelievable but I just can't see it happening and I am not sure Cleverley is the answer for our midfield concerns}

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IMO Ronaldo is better on the right and Kagawa is better on the left. Other than that would be a perfect team.

-JakeW

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If we found the funds to do this, and that is a very BIG IF.... I would prefer to keep the baines cash (10-15m) and add it to the Bender cash and try for Vidal.....

I think if fabio can stay fit for the last half of the season under harry he will come back a very good player and then we will have 2 raf's.. although 1 will be called fabio..

swap kagawa and ronaldo over and job done....

Happy days.......

____________De Gea
Rafael__Smalling__Hummels__Fabio
_______Cleverly__Vidal
__Ronaldo___Rooney___Kagawa
_____________RVP


rrrrrrrrrr to dream..

Oxred...

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See JakeW agrees... swap ronaldo and kagawa....

what about vidal & fabio or Bender & Baines?

which would you prefer...?

Oxred

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I too hope that Fabio does well. Redknapp is the perfect man for Fabio. If he comes back and gets to his brothers level then that saves us £15 million.

Fresh!

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Probably Vidal and Fabio. I don't think we'll sell Evra in a summer that we lose so many experienced players. Hoping Fabio gets to Rafaels levels tho.

Fresh!

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I think Fabio could reach and even surpass Rafael's level because he seems to be the more talented brother before his injuries halted his progress and Evra was in great form prior his slump. Just a consistent run of games and some confidents...Diego-06

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Surely This would be the most threatening possibility WITH Ronaldo...

______________De Gea_______________
________Smalling____Hummels_________
Valencia_______________________Baines
____________Vidal___Sandro__________
_____Kagawa___Rooney___Ronaldo
_____________Van Persie_____________

The Moon.

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'Moon' - there is no way I'd want Valencia to play over Rafael and I think that Sandro is rubbish.

Fresh!

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I really like Sandro I think he is brilliant at his job... I dont know why you have chose Valencia over Rafael that is suicide.

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23 Nov 2012 13:49:55
We missed out on one of Hazard & Lucas 30m & spoke to Lewandowski's representatives in the summer about a possible 20m deal.

For some reason Dortmund wouldn't sell us Kagawa & their star striker in the same window. So instead we managed to get van Persie 24m who scores when he wants.

Q1) Do you think our interest has dropped in the Polish striker now Chicharito is at full throttle again. Plus Welbeck has established himself as an England striker now?

Also there was a lot of talk of Baines, but it seems we got priced out & went for a cheap last minute alternative to cover Evra?

Q2) Will Evra be sold & a quality LB (Baines or someone else) come in & Buttner just cover?

Q3) Will Fabio be sold or cover RB & LB next season?

As it seems we will need to replace Nani 15m will it be a cheaper buy or a more expensive buy?

Q4) Who? Ince 6m, Zaha 12m, Isco 22m, Rodriguez 27m

Scholes may retire, Rio may leave for the U.S

Q5) Will Rooney drop into the Paul Scholes role?

Q6) Will our under 21 first team squad players step up & challenge for a place on the bench?

Powell, Jones, Lingard, Brady, Henriquez & the Keane twins
Will have a good chance next season for opportunities.

TJ {Ed004's Note - Q1: I do not see the need for Lewandowski anymore unless one of Welbeck or Hernandez leaves. If Rooney leaves we will look at someone similar to Rooney IMO. Q2: I think Evra will be sold and I am hoping we go for Baines. Q3: I think Fabio will be a top squad player. Q4: I would 100% go for Rodriquez and I think that is our likeliest signing. Q5 I think we will sign a replacement for Scholes. Rooney isn't ready to drop that deep yet IMO. Q6: Powell, Petrucci, Jones, Rafael, Smalling, Henriquez and Cleverley will be the young players that will make the biggest impact for us IMO. I like the look of Keane but cb usually do not start maturing later in the teens so he has a lot of time IMO.}

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Why would Tom Ince cost £6m? He will cost nothing in the summer as he is out of contract.

Sydney!

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Compo syd?

DodgyBanter

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Because his club will do a deal in January and accept an offer so they get some value and there will be plenty of clubs who will put in a bid.

Shahram

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23 Nov 2012 22:14:42
DodgyBanter there will be no compensation issue. Shahram Ince will c out his contract at the Tangerines and join for free in the summer, I has been agreed between his daddy and AF. {Ed003's Note - I'm amazed none of you know B'pool hold an extra 12 month option on the kid,so he won't be going anywhere on a free in the summer,tut tut Sydney.}

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I did not know however sounds smart business on behalf of his club. Anyway i don't see him as solution and prefer Zaha and a proper stablished left sided player to help us now. We all know even if bought him he is probably 2 to 3 years away to making a regular first team contribution if he develops further and hence it does not solve anything for us now.

Shahram

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23 Nov 2012 13:30:13
Ed do you know if Hummels would be interested in a move here? I heard him say himself that he revieved one offer that was of particular interest to him, do you know if that was us?

Dan {Ed002's Note - Hummels is perhaps an option for a January move and there is strong interest from Inter, Barcelona, Manchester United and Juventus and there will no doubt be interest from elsewhere should he become available. I rather suspect that the summer might be a more likely time for Dortmund to agree a sale.

If he is talking of an "offer" it can only be details of the sort of deal he would get moving to another club as informed to his agent. I would not read anything in to that.}

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Ed002 how serious is the Barcelona interest because to me as i posted a few months ago that he would go to Barca.

Shahram {Ed002's Note - I don't know the units of measurement for "serious" but they are interested.}

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I think that the reason people suggest him going to Barca is because he is the perfect replacement for Puyol.

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23 Nov 2012 12:32:31
I meant he was the voted 2nd beat player in the Dutch league after vertonghen

Hammond

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Feyenoord Player? im sure he wouldnt cost too much either

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23 Nov 2012 12:25:30
If you are a serious manutd fan you need to stop throwing all these names about.
We are english team saf wont have to many non uk players, or players that are not prem proven!

One signing in january only!

Big V

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I can see maybe Tom Ince signing a pre-contract for the summer as I believe that can happen (I may be wrong). I would like to see Lars Bender bought in with maybe Baines (dream world I know).

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Any top class midfielder who is a playmaker and can defend.

Shahram

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23 Nov 2012 11:36:45
looking at the list of players who are attending the unvieling of Fergie's statue today they seem like a better team than the one we will probably put out tomorrow against QPR. I AM KLOOT

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23 Nov 2012 10:56:05
Not United related...

On , there's an audacious article that Chelsea are ready to spend big (again) to bring in Falcao, Cavani and Rodriguez. This cannot happen surely?

I know Sugar Daddy got the money but he may aswell p**s on the "Financial Fareplay" rulebook

ALDUtd

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It would be Falcao or Cavani I'm sure. I cannot see why they would need Rodriguez either. I know it's a squad game, but with Hazard and Mata on each side there wouldn't be much room for Rodriguez. Hazard could move to the centre, but then where does that leave Oscar? I am not saying they will not go for Cavani, Falcao and Rodriguez, but I will say it's unlikely. Ed002 would know more.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Gosh. A bold statement Syd.}

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If they did get those three and a replacement for Mikel they would be one of the strongest teams around.

Jono

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Nothin' like stating the bleedin' obvious eh !
Cosh

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I still do not understand Chelsea not buying some improvement for the defence though.... If they managed to sign Hummels, Falcao and and a replacement for Mikel maybe M'villa then they would be utter class.

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Ed002, do Chelsea have an interest in Rodriguez? We know there is interest in the other two.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware Syd. But you are correct about the other two.}

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How would they fit Rodriguez, Falcao, Cavani, Oscar, Mata, Hazard all into the first 11. I understand rotation and team game but they would all expect to play as first choice pretty much all the time.

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Ed002, United have net spent over £100m in the past two seasons, do you expect (your opinion) them to spend a similar amount or more this summer to deal with the departures of the old guard and possibly the manager? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I would not want to put a figure on it but I am sure that the owners will continue to release funds to do whatever is necessary to sustain the club's position within reason. However, we cannot lose sight of the need to bring through youngsters rather than keep spending on high end players. Certainly the money being asked for certain players Manchester United has looked at is well beyond the natural value that people would place on them.}

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I agree with syd, rodriguez isnt a neccesity for chelsea they need strikers and as said a better defence.

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Ed002, thanks for that. I think Rodriguez is one of the players you are talking about that is being vastly overpriced by the very difficult FC Porto. However we did overpay for a 29 year old RvP so I guess if the manager wants a player enough, he will get his way. Berbatov is another example of that and also another example of why the owners will want the manager to be extra careful with his purchases as arguably Berbatov was a costly mistake. I know you do not like to put a figure on things, but I think we will need over £100m this summer and with Nani etc leaving and the wage bill coming down significantly with older players leaving I think the club will have their biggest spend in the club's history this summer. Falling out of the top four would be very damaging for the club and nothing will be guaranteed when SAF has gone. I do not see us spending more than Chelsea or PSG, but I do think the Glazers are expecting a record amount of cash sent this summer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rooney is sold to help fund the transition if he chooses to leave this summer.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The plan is always for sustainable growth rather than transition. A couple of the old folks will no doubt say goodbye but MU did not let themselves get in to as bad a situation as Chelsea with many of the players growing old (as opposed to growing up) together. With the control over transfers very much in the hands of the manager I am not so sure, if he is going to go next summer, that it would not be best to have some liaison with the new man, or woman, before making significant purchases.}

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I believe we might spend at the maximum 50-70 million pounds net and maybe gross 100 but player sales will be factor as you can't just buy players whilst you have the likes of nani, anderson sitting there.

Shahram

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Ed002, Exactly my reasoning behind Jose not replacing SAF. I told folk on here that Jose will want to put his own stamp on the squad, not let SAF do all of the building and then be left with SAF's team. Jose is far too egotistic to win trophies with someone else's team. I guess this could be the same with Guardiola too? Perhaps this is why Blanc is favourite, because he would use the team that SAF has assembled for him.

Sydney!

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Any manager will want to put his own stamp on the team.
if we need over 100million spent on our team what does that say about our current team

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I don't believe SAF is retiring this year so all this stuff from a timing perspective will not work.

Guardiola will take a job this summer and Most likely at AC Milan or City if Mancini gets the sack. I also agree with Ed002 that AC milan will be good fit as they have funds to spend and he can rebuild one of the European giants with history.

From a timing perspective i think both saf and mourinho will continue where they are for another season at least. I still think Mourinho might end up as our manager in 2 years time that is if he does not get the sack at Madrid this summer :). If he fails to win the league or CL, I don't believe his job is safe by any measure.

Shahram

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23 Nov 2012 10:11:08
Given that Ronaldo is morel likely to leave Madrid than stay, I think he'll be our sole summer signing. So how about Hummels and Bender/Strootman in January and then Ronaldo in summer? {Ed004's Note - Still think a left back is required. However were would you play ronaldo? Taking into consideration Rooney plays best centrally and you need to incorporate Kagawa? I am not sure a 4231 would work as Kagawa is better and more suit out left as is ronaldo}

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In reply to Eds...

Maybe play narrower? Without wide-men...

____________DDG
Rafael__Hummels__Vidic__Evra
_________Strootman/Vidal
_______Kagawa__Cleverly
__Rooney___RvP____Ronaldo

??

ALDUtd {Ed004's Note - I am not sure. Not sure Kagawa suits that position or Utd suit it and Evra isn't good enough as he won't have much support from ronaldo. Also neither Cleverly or Kagawa take a game by the scruff of the neck}

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Could Rooney be used in a deal to bring Ronaldo back? Rooney has already been replaced in the hole (Kagawa) and upfront (RvP). Ronaldo is slightly older than Rooney, but he keeps himself in top shape, Rooney is already struggling with his weight so IMO Ronaldo may as well be 3 year's younger than him.

Personally I cannot see him back at United, but this would be the only way a deal could be brokered IMO. People will say why not have both players, but that is never going to happen. We do not have £80m to blow on one position. £30m-£40m plus Rooney on the other hand and Ronaldo having Rooney's wages really could work.

But then you could argue that Rooney and Rodriguez would be better than just Ronaldo, so what would people do in this situation?

Sydney!

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The problem with Ronaldo is that he is 28 now, give him a few years and I think we would slowly see him deteriorate and lose his pace and flair, I would carry Ronaldo back to Old Trafford If I could but it's unliley that we will see him come back. I would prefer to keep Rooney and buy Rodriguez.

-JakeW

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Ed004 i will take ronaldo in the centre/left/right side over any player we have in out team. This fantasy stuff of him coming back is never going to happen. I can see PSG putting in bid. For those of you who think chelsea and city have sugar daddies, prepare yourself as the qataris will dwarf those guys and maybe just getting started.

Shahram

I do some business there and not kidding never seen capital like this that can be employed without a care. I wish they had bought us lol

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I would rather sell Rooney and then buy Rodriguez, Cabaye, Baines and L.Bender.

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Jake, I tend to agree.

Sydney!

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Ed004 could you not see a 4231 like this working:

___________De Gea

Rafael__Smalling__Hummels__Evra

______Strootman__Cleverley

Ronaldo_____Rooney_____Kagawa

____________RVP

I know you don't rate Strootman that highly so maybe replace him with Bender.

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - Bender and Baines in and yes I could see it working. Though think we would be better of getting Rodriguez and Cabaye/Moutinho and maybe a replacement for Young. I reckon it would be money better spent}

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I would tend to agree Ed but the romantic side of me would certainly not complain if the money was spent of Ronaldo.

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - I would not complain either}

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I believe Kagawa should be played more centrally and Rooney out in the wider position. Not in the form of a winger but more a LAM and he can drift out, like David Silva and Nasri play for City.

Kagawa was bought to play in the hole and Rooney is just shaping his game o play there.

ALDUtd

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23 Nov 2012 08:28:31
Ed wat are ur thoughts about marco verrati from psg hvnt seen him alot but heard alot about him...

Sid_mumbai {Ed004's Note - Seems a very talented player. Similar type player to Modric but can't see him leaving anytime soon}

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23 Nov 2012 09:31:40
Here's a question to any of the Eds if they have some info.

Regarding the up and coming manager change. I read that ed2 said Pep is highly thought of inside OT and SAF would no doubt push his and Joses name forward as replacements. Add to that the hints on Blanc is there any incling as to where Jose stands outside SAF's opinion? I know Sir Bob's opinion is not good but is there any other influential people who have made any other anti Jose stance known?

I would just like to know as I don't want to get my hopes up just to end up with Pep or Moyes ha.

My preferences would be:

1. Jose 2. Klopp 3. Bielsa 4. Blanc.

If we cant get one of those there must be something wrong.

Jono {Ed002's Note - Just to be clear, I said nothing about SAF recommending Guardiola and certainly nothing about him putting Mourinho's name forward.}

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I know Ed you had said Pep was thought of highly inside OT not specifically SAF himself.

That was just my opinion he would put Jose and Pep forward as he has stated before he thought Jose would one of very few capable of the job and Pep's job at Barca has drawn high praise from SAF as well.

It could be he puts neither forward for whatever reason but the main point of the post was to find out if any ed had knowledge of any other anti Jose individuals inside OT (outwith Sir Bob) who have made their feeling clear?

As if there are a few influential people in the right places not wanting him in particular then no matter if SAF puts him forward its unlikely he will get the position, unfortunately IMO.

Jono {Ed002's Note - Who would he be putting these names forward to?}

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Well its widely known SAF will be consulted as to who he thinks should be in the frame for the job at least and if so he must be putting names forward to someone, who that would be exactly I don't know.

The original question is still unanswered. Do you or any other ed know of anyone inside OT other than Sir Bob who has already decided he is not the man for the hot seat? Or could it be enough that were SAF to say 'Jose only!' he would be offered it despite any opposition from higher up?

I think the last thing we want is unrest from the beginning between the new man and some of the board down to them not 100% wanting him, that would just be added and un-needed extra pressure IMO.

Jono {Ed002's Note - I have explained where the interest is right now - it is tough for me why it is so difficult for you to grasp this.}

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What am I finding hard to grasp?

You have said Blanc and Pep are regarded inside OT, fine, that is not what I am asking! I was asking as to any knowledge to who else decided Jose is not to be a candidate? I am certain it is not just down to Sir Bobs opinion that Jose is not on that list as well!

I am sure Utd are not holding all there hopes on either Pep or Blanc definitely taking the job.

Or is it just as simple a case of they are that confident of getting 1 of those 2 that they need not consider Jose?

If thats the case then IMO thats just stupid as he is far more proven than both those put together and will continue to be more successful throughout his career.

Jono {Ed002's Note - You want the names of people to blame for not including someone on this "list"?}

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Not 'names to blame' more a case of names (if any) who think we shouldn't go for him.

Sir Bob has said he doen't think he is the type of person for us as a club and as I said it might just be a case that the other two fit the position better but I find it hard to believe that someone as successful as Jose wouldn't be considered unless one or multiple desicion makers didn't want him.

If you don't know who has disregarded Jose or why then fair enough I just think that any top club should look to the best first and he has no equal success wise IMO.

Jono {Ed002's Note - I am not going to go in to anymore detail over this. At present there are two people the club are interested in but much will depend on when the manager leaves and what other jobs are available. And I am by no means certain that Manchester United woulld be Guardiola's first choice. If the job becomes available next summer I know of four offers he will have on the table.}

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Us, Chelsea, City and Milan?

I think Chelsea will be his destination. So could leave Blanc as our only candidate then.

Jono {Ed002's Note - I suspect AC Milan is more likely than Chelsea. Actually out of the four I think Chelsea could be least likely. Things change over time Jono - and Mark Hughes is available now. Solves your problem about needing to know about the history of the club.}

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I'm no convinced Ed002, I think the only reason we may not be Guardiola's first choice is down to SAF still being at the club. If we contacted Guardiola and told him SAF is leaving at the end of the season and the job is his if he wants it, then believe we would be favourites. I think the Manchester United job outweighs the Chelsea, City or AC Milan job. Yes City and Chelsea have unlimited funds, but the United job is so much more. The Chelsea job is potentially a risky job for his long-term career as Roman is very trigger happy. If there is people at United that want Pep and this summer is the only available window, then I expect they will force SAF out so to speak.

Sydney!

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Speaking of Mark Hughes he will probably go down as one of the worst managers of all time when it comes down to transfer business and ED002 thanks for the offer but I think we will pass:)

Shahram

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23 Nov 2012 08:40:01
I think we our number 1 target for the midfield should be Jordy Clasie his 21 IMO he is better than strootman and he came 2nd to verthongen in the Dutch league last season.

Hammond

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2nd to vertongen in what? stroopwaffel eating competition?

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There is no point in going for Strootman imo. Khedira and L.Bender are much better players and wouldnt cost that much more.

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23 Nov 2012 08:28:31
Ed wat are ur thoughts about marco verrati from psg hvnt seen him alot but heard alot about him...

Sid_mumbai {Ed002's Note - He is a young lad much is expected of. He won't be moving to Manchester United in January.}

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23 Nov 2012 08:18:07
In the game against Norwich, in the last 10 mins when we deployed young on the RW, he was a far better player than whole of this season. His crosses were better than of Valencia.
I feel Young should be played on the RW.
Valencia been given a 14 day rest to recover, he hasn't been his best, and Nani be used only from the bench. Game against QPR we should go with Buttner at LW, He'll be better than nani or young or giggs there. The wigan game he was attacking like a winger, and we never do that from our left, we pass it Valencia/Nani on the RM almost everytime. It should be balanced.
Buttner will be up against Bosingwa, awful defender for me.

Rohan
I wish SAF buys Rodriguez, we never had a left footed LM since Giggs was 33.(Tosic doesn't count :P)

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How have u decided Buttner is a better winger? Have I missed a dazzling display on wing trickery?

AJH

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He used to be a winger, he should atleast get a game there.

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23 Nov 2012 08:08:31
People gave short shrift to RvP joining United so never say never to what may appear to be far-fetched dreams!

Who knows whats going on behind closed doors but imagine this happening...

Fergie, Rio, Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Nani move on next summer

In comes Ronaldo & Mourinho; Hummels and Strootman

Hummels (the first German to play for the first team) would form a solid partnership with Vidic or any of the other young CBs.

Strootman would provide that steel & leadership in midfield which we've lacked since Keano.

Ronaldo, RvP & Rooney would be akin to the modern-day "Holy Trinity" of Best, Law and Charlton.

It would also make commercial sense for Nike to have three of their star names together at United which would certainly generate a massive amount of revenue (they could even pay part of the transfer fee if required to broker a deal).

This sounds outlandish but "football's a funny ol' game!"

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That would be the dream. We'd have to play a 4-3-3 of:

___________De Gea
Rafael__Smalling__Hummels__Evra
___Kagawa__Bender__Cleverly
____Rooney___RVP___Ronaldo

I've put Bender in as I have been lead to believe that he is more solid than Strootman. Looks a fantastic team.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - Rooney does not play well on the wings though}

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Your massively over rating Strootman by comparing him to Keane!

IrishRed

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Just replied to another post with more or less the same team as you Fresh.

That frontline should work surely!

ALDUtd

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How could Evra make your 'dream' team? Very odd. I think I would have Baines, Strootman, Lewandowski & Rodriguez. Hummels if Vidic is sold which is very possible. It's not my 'dream' team mind.

With Nani, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, one of Vidic or Ferdinand probably all leaving we will need to spend a fair bit to make a statement. With the manager likely to leave too it is a massive summer for us.

Sydney!

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I thought Adidas supplied RVP'S boots?

AndypMUFC

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I mostly agree with you,that would be a dream.But wh
y should Anderson leave the team?He improving and becoming more fit.He pushes the team forward and for me he should always be a starter at the current United team. {Ed004's Note - question to Sydney. Why would you sign Lewandowski if no striker leaves?}

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Ed004... I think the problem with signing Lewandowski is that he will want first team football almost all the time and RVP and Rooney will not be dropped for him so does that mean going with Lewi and RVP up top and Rooney dropped deeper or selling Rooney and signing Rodriguez and some others to then play Kagawa behind the strikers. {Ed004's Note - I don't know you are thinking along the exact same lines as me and I feel Lewandowski won't be signed for those reasons. I feel we will play a 4231 as it will give us the option of using wingers and keeping some width during games. Also playing with the likes of Kagawa in a 4231 means they can drop into midfield to help out}

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Ed004 that is my exact thinking... That is why I could actually see Rooney being sold this summer even if I do not want to see it. Imagine selling Rooney to then play Kagawa in the hole then Rodriguez on the left and Valencia on the right with Lars Bender and Cabaye centre mid and Baines left back. {Ed004's Note - I reckon we would still need a world class player to replace Rooney. Someone like Ozil. Imagine a front 4 of Rodriguez, Ozil, Kagawa and RVP}

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Ed004.... That could work especially if Madrid came in for Rooney we could strong arm a deal of sorts... I would take Ozil and £15 million then use Ozil on the right Kagawa behind the striker and Rodriguez on the left it would mean all 3 can play anywhere across the pitch then I would use the sales of Nani, Anderson, Evra and Macheda to sign Baines and maybe Lars Bender. {Ed004's Note - I would also think there would be enough for a centre back and possibly another centre midfielder. I also think we could possibly get up to 20 million for him. Though cant see Rooney moving to Spain unfortunately.}

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23 Nov 2012 07:52:31
We need one signing and it is a cm , unless we sell nani then we dont need anymore until scholes and giggs retire.

People say we need this we need that but really if you bring in a bunch of new players and kick out ones bin playing it will disrupt squad, beleive me if we sign in january it will be only one player maybe 2 max if a class player is available for cheap.

Man utd target for this season is to win the prem and just a good showing in all other cups.

Big V

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23 Nov 2012 05:45:37
I think Man United must accebt cr7 back to the club n sign contract with Neymar i think its going to be gud play for them n we will see more goals coming in

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Yeh and while were at it we should get messi too
Chris the REDman

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Yeah and instead of football boots the players should have rocket boots to kick the ball harder.

Danny Pughnited

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Anderson can just eat every Goal-keeper we play against then Dann Welbeck can start scoring regularly too...

ALDUtd

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23 Nov 2012 00:46:58
Guys any ideas how I can get two tickets for the Southampton game can only get 1 through my membership want to take my dad as a Christmas present...

Any help would be appreciated


Munkydunc

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23 Nov 2012 11:17:26
ring up night before and u can often get them last minute mate

DC_DEVIL

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If your local you could try the ticket office outside OT

Ste-Utd

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Cheers for the reply guys, I'm not local but rung the ticket office today special Christmas promotion on discounted membership and the choice to get a non member ticket so all booked now roll on 30th jan can't wait anyone else going?


Munkydunc

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23 Nov 2012 00:01:20
Guys, did Ronaldo have made in Manchester on his boots against city? If so maybe he was trying to tell us something! I do see him back here always have. I think the door will always be open for him and I for one would take him back in a heartbeat.

Caolán.

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