Manchester United Banter Archive October 23 2011

 

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23 Oct 2011 23:48:13
I may get hung drawn and quartered for this but i don't think we should get rid of Evans.

Look at it this way Vidic is first choice then we have Ferdinand Smalling and Jones, even if Ferdinand leaves it'll still be a forth choice centre back we'll be looking for, how many better players than Evans do you think will sign to be forth choice centre back? Also Evans can cover left back and with how Evra is playing atm i think Evans is a better option at left back. Also is it a good idea wasting the little money we do have signing a forth choice centre back rather than spending it on where it needs to be spent? No it's not, players make mistakes, up until today i though Evans has played pretty well, More than good enough for a back up player anyway.

Shappy

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23 Oct 2011 23:15:22
Okay - I'm a Liverpool fan but I'll speak truth. This defeat will do you good. The Utd. money machine will realise that they have no influential midfield player at the moment and will defo put hands in pockets at Christmas.

I've always rated Rio - but his choices to come out to put pressure on City, leaving his back line was poor too many times today.

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23 Oct 2011 23:01:11
Darn, I was on shift last night and missed the game. Can anyone tell me what the score was? Matthew? Sydney? Herbie?
In fact, I'm not too bright so maybe you could repeat the score for me a few times?
Many thanks

cozinoz

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23 Oct 2011 22:50:58
We need Goetze, no creativity in the middle

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23 Oct 2011 22:50:06
does anyone else hope that the fact a few Glaziers were there to see us get a whipping that there might be an insistence in some spending either this jan or summer?

O how I am not looking forward to work on Tuesday with a few blue noses waiting for me.

Lets compare midfield. We had;

Fletch
Ando

on the bench;

Nobody.

They had (seen as they didn't play with wide men);

Toure
Barry
Milner
Silva

on the bench;

De Jong
Nasri

Now seen as everyone that knows anything about football knows that if you lose the CM battle your facing a massive uphill task to win any game so what were we really expecting? They should be beating us look at what they have spent in midfield alone and they haven't bought sh**e either.

I would say 4-1 was correct but those last 3 goals were diabolical. Dzeko's first shows exactly the kind of player Rio is when its not going well. Lost his man, ball went back post, Lescott cut it back, Dzeko kneed it in while Rio didn't move a inch. Watch the replay.

5th goal Evra posted missing (that's a new one), De Gea should of closed it more imo not stop outside his 6 yard line. Schmeics would of wiped out ball and man if he were in that sittu.

6th we seen ball of the season through our only 2 defenders (still picking nobody up) and Dzeko side foot from the edge of the box. Now I'm not jumping on the anti DE Gea wagon but of the 6 goals I would of expected better at Silva and Dzeko 2nd goal but not jst from him.

We have to look at the negatives to sort out the problems and there were a fair few today.

The tired excuse is balls. we were still playing with 4 defenders so they shouldn't be that knackered they cant do their jobs properly. They simple lost interest when it hit 89 mins. Rio got back at Dzeko for the last goal and I cant speak for everybody but I would of flung myself into an attempt at a block and what does he do? puts a leg in the direction of Dzeko and causes no problem to him at all. Pathetic.

Syd.

You asked about established players who we could of got/went for;

Sneijder, De Rossi, Cambiasso, Nasri, Fabregas, Vidal, Diego, Pjanic, Modric, Hernanes, Pirlo maybe not all world class but if I'm honest we need freshening up and that means replacing squad players aswell.

Jono

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23 Oct 2011 22:35:15
I genuinely don't think this was our worst performance of the season- I think we have been lucky on a few occasions. I actually think we showed some good points and I was sitting in a pub full of anti-United fans (not a single City fan in there but the cheers were deafening) and a few people actually said to me that United weren't as awful as the scoreline suggested. But I have got to say David Silva is out of this world. The guy is simply outstanding and on today's performance he was right up there with Messi. I think he SINGLE-HANDEDLY demolished us. Put him in our side and even with 10 men I think it would have been a totally different game, let alone having to face him down to 10. We never stood a chance. I don't think City were particularly excellent, but Silva was just astonishing. I was gutted to see him go to City and I'm sitting here gutted now.


I still don't think City will win the league.


APC

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23 Oct 2011 22:32:02
Hi first time I have posted am utd fan over 30 years, honestly today was one of the worst displays have seen since lost 6-0 to Ipswich in 80s, yes city were ok but not seen such lack of pride in the red top for long time
If Rooney wants to be compared to the greats it takes more than just getting paid great wages, it is time to start Earning them

It is obvious still that we need more in midfield but can we afford it.

We cut our wage bill by loads in summer and should have got some creativity in but for whatever reason didn't

If saf thinks the younger players are good enough then play them they cant be much worse

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23 Oct 2011 22:31:37
2 cm's and 2 full backs for me, choose from this list:

CM's/DM's/ACM's: Guarin, Martinez, Garcia, Gotze, Hamsik, Canales, Khedira, Marin, Modric, M'Vila.

Full Backs: Alba, Azpillicueta, Izaguirre, Alvaro Pereira, Jaoa Pereira, Bale, Walker.

2 from each list, or a totally different name, what do yo uwant to see here?

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23 Oct 2011 22:26:30
Maybe a good shout, maybe a bad one, but the name Freddy Guarin has just popped into mind, strong player in the center of the park, good idea or not?

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23 Oct 2011 22:26:05
I have had a crazy idea why dont we bring becks back:)

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23 Oct 2011 22:09:58
I'm a LFC fan but I'm not here to take the mic I just wanted to know why you never seem to start hernandez any more? He was superb last year and IMO without him you wouldn't have won the league. We need a player like him and a creative midfielder before we can push for the league. I think you need 2 CM a LB and a RB before you can but I don't think the Glazers will invest that much. Speaking of Rodwell though my Evertonian mates want to sell him on which isn't a good sign and although there different players I think you'd be better of looking at Barkley and Tiote from Newcastle instead.
JFT96
Andy LFC

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23 Oct 2011 22:02:16
who wants Ronaldo back!?

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23 Oct 2011 21:16:29
i hate man untied and im not going to lie and finally a team with class runs rings around a team thats not been perfect this season 6:1 lmao seriously that just proves how rubbish man untieds defense has been this year and how lucky they have been not to lose other games roll on the bad times for man united {Ed004's Note - "a team with class", LMAO, thank you unnamed poster, have you ever considered stand up comedy?}

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23 Oct 2011 21:16:10
My squad if i was in charge:

De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos

Rafael, Fabio, Alba, Azpiculleta, Vidic, Rio (only just makes it), Jones, Smalling, Cahill.

Nani, Young, Valencia, Vadillo, Anderson, Fletcher, Cleverley, Rodwell, Gotze, Bebe, Morrison, Pogba, Tunniclife.

Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Berbatov (yes, i'd keep Berbatov, he's the best at holding up the ball for us).

Yes these changes would be expensive, but with the players that aren't in that squad they cover some of the expense. Evra, Evans, Gibson, Park, Carrick, Owen, Macheda (loan probably), Diouf would all go and fetch maybe up to 40 million which initself would pay for Gotze. Vadillo would cost less than 5million, Rodwell would cost 15 million and Cahill would be 5million or free. Alba and Azpiculetta would cost about 20 million for the pair of them.

That leaves us with only a 30-35 million out lay, and you can also bet that the wage bill would be lower with these boys on it that it would with the current crop of players. If we didn't fancy Rodwell I think Javi Garcia would be a good back up plan or at a push Javi Martinez at a much larger cost.

I'd like to see a lose 4-2-3-1 adopted, with Gotze running past Rooney and vice versa with each one working in tandom. Rodwell or Garcia would give us that steal that was lacking in midfield, i'd play them alongside Cleverly. Then we have Fletcher and Anderson as squad players to fill in or rotate with.

Playing a 4-2-3-1 would save us money as we wouldnt need an extra striker, Berbatov could play that system as could Welbeck or Hernandez...if they played up top instead of Rooney then you could see him playing off them and Gotze either being left out or pushed to the wing. It would be very flexible and hold lots of potential for the future of our club, the Great Manchester United Football Club that we love and should support throught thick and thin.

EJ19

Thoughts ed? {Ed004's Note - Would prefer Martinez and instead of Cahill who will cost more than 5 million use Rodwell as cover for CB and CM. Never heard of Vandillo.}

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23 Oct 2011 21:15:06
Only thing wrong with our team is morale, lack of focus and lack of conviction. And the odd few players who really cant cut it.

Anderson was shocking today. He is always the last one to track back. Evans, what can i say he's getting worse and worse with his mistakes. He's really starting to make my blood boil. How the hell is he gettin the start over Jones, nevermind over Vidic! Rio is looking unfazed by the game, maybe on his last legs. And then there's Evra, should've been replaced in the summer. To all those saying "atleast he's good going forward" he's not! He carries it forward, fails to pick a good pass out and then slowly toddles back into position leavin Ashley Young at LB who should really be at top end ready for the counter attack.

But all you guys saying it needs to change, how do you expect it to? No transfer window, most youth players not ready to step up to the plate, barring Pogba and Morrison. We just need to grit our teeth and keep supporting our team. Cleverley isnt the answer to our problems, he is half the answer to our midfield, yes. But he isn't going to bring our poor players back into their prime.

Even if Fergie does believe we need to bring some extra players in, i doubt he will in January unless the ones he wants are available for the right price. So shut up moaning, get behind your team and admit we were outplayed. So what? 1st loss of season? Who cares? It isn't the end yet.

DevilInRed

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23 Oct 2011 21:06:39
"By January we will be okay, we usually get a shot along the road and then usually do well in the second half of the season and that will have to be the case again."
SAF earlier.

Too much to hope anything can be taken from this?

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23 Oct 2011 20:54:56
Just heard FERGIE has quit.Hope we get mclaren to sort out the mess Fergie left

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23 Oct 2011 20:42:55
today was a joke, midfield again cmon fergie u have to sort it out.

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23 Oct 2011 20:31:21
From the things SAF said on the press, he won't change because of it.

The way we're struggling on the CL group stage with Benfica, Basel and Ot...! Only shows how weak we're and apart of 7 or 8 players the rest are just rubbish, I meant RUBBISH. Carrick, Fletcher, Park, Owen, Gibson, Macheda, Evans.

Not regular for the first team: Ferdinand, Berbatov, Welbeck, Valencia, Evra, Anderson, Twins!

It means that reall players we got are: ROONEY, Nani, Young, Hernandes(specific opponents), Vida, Smalling, Jones, Cleverly and maybe the twins.

So if don't change, we'll be beaten by all the big teams in Europe like in Wembley against Barca. City is only getting better and we're stuck.

I hope we don't end up like Arsenal with everybody looking for living the club for lack of quality of players.

Pls post.

HolyUTD

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23 Oct 2011 20:09:03
With all due respect, cleverley being injured had nothing to do with the absolute humiliation united have just been given. The players gave up when the ground half emptied with 20 mins to go. These are not supporters...they have to support through thick and thin, but they wont because so far its always been nice and rosey...dark clouds are gathering, and Fergie will be ousted before end of the season

Tel 1949
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You're a clown if you think Fergie will be ousted by the end of the season. Today was an absolutely awful day, but the points you are trying to make are just false and you know it.

Who are you to criticise our fans when just last season, you lot were calling for the head of Woy. Don't come on here saying we don't support our club when you are no better.

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Oct 2011 19:54:49
Fergie's Plan at 10 men:

deGea
Jones Smalling Rio Evra
Wellbeck Rooney Fletcher Young
Hernandez

Surely this would have been better?

deGea
Jones Smalling Sir Alex M.Phelan
Wellbeck Rooney Fletcher Young
Nani

M.D.

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23 Oct 2011 19:49:51
Hey guys, I'm a Liverpool fan, here in peace.
Now first off I'd like to say I'm not here to go on at you guys about the loss, lets be honest we couldn't beat Norwich at home so I'm not in any place to be bragging.
It struck me today that Manchester United really do need maybe not just one quality centre midfielder, but maybe 2. Don't get me wrong, I've seen Cleverly quite a lot this season and he's been superb, no doubt the kids got talent, but at this moment in time, there are definitly better players. Someone like a Sneijder, who creates so much and rarely gives the ball away, and maybe a holding midfielder, i.e Yann M'Vila. Also, Evra seemed very poor today to me, he played more up top than he did helping back which really dissappointed me because I've always thought he was a very good left back.
I can understand you guys being very upset with the way the game went today, but, and I think I speak on behalf of most of the premier league, Man City are the team to beat this season. This obviously isn't a hit out at you guys, with the amount of money they've spent they should be winning the Champions League, Premier League, Fa Cup and the flipping boat race.
Just thought I'd give my inputs on the game.

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23 Oct 2011 19:48:22
Tottenham Hotspurs 4-1 Manchester United 1995/96 (won the league)
Southampton 6-3 Manchester United 1996/97 (won the league)
Newcastle United 5-0 Manchester United 1996/97 (won the league)
Chelsea 5-0 Manchester United 1999/00 (won the league)
Manchester United 1-4 Liverpool 2008/09 (won the league)
Manchester United 1-6 Manchester City 2011/12 (we will win the league)!
BELIEVE

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23 Oct 2011 19:44:46
what do people think we should do in january or the summer? i think:

defense:ins: LB alba, CB thiago silva
______outs: evans, maybe rio for exchange with modric? and evra

midfield:ins: CM martinez, CM modric
______outs: gibson, maybe park

forward:ins: ST higuain and iturbe
_______out: diouff, owen, berbatov

___________degea_________
jones__thiago____vidic___alba
_______martinez_modric_____
luisnani_____rooney____young
___________Higuian_________

bench
lindegaard
smalling
fabio/rafael
fletcher/cleverley
carrick/anderson
valencia
hernandez/welbeck/iturbe

mr keightley

(that would be my ideal summer, but highly unlikely) {Ed001's Note - no place for Cesar Azpilicueta(sp?) of Marseille? He is being closely monitored by United.}

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23 Oct 2011 19:43:35
How good is your team?
The past few weeks, us Liverpool fans lfc,Blair,Rover to name the few of many,have been saying Utd are not as good as you Manc's keep spouting.
To get beat 6-1 at home,you must now realize you are not the all conquering team.End of play today utd will be 3rd and that's were you will stay.
Redeyedhector YNWA
P.S 6-1 lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol
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Here we have the modern Liverpool fan who tries to find satisfaction in United's woes. Well, Hector, why don't you take a look at your own team and how sh*t they are that they couldn't even beat a poor United playing their second string at home with Liverpool playing their strongest eleven. You're in no position to gloat over another teams failures, when your own team is a lot worse.

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Oct 2011 19:39:08
The truth is your on the decline and need a major overhaul of your squad much like we have in the summer just gone to save a lot more money on the wage bill. Both teams are in a very similiar position player ability wise and have a long way to go to catch City up. Our positive is we have the best academy in the country at the momment with kelly,flanno,robbinson,wisdom,coady,morgan,o hanlan,smith,hansen,adjoran,silva and best of all sterling coming through with coates,henderson,carroll,suarez and lucas all very young. You also have a lot of good young players and both teams need these to catch up with City. Its a discrace that some of you want Fergie sacked and you obviously aren't true fans.
JFT96
Andy LFC

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23 Oct 2011 19:14:39
That is simply not true, none of Martinez, Sissoko, M'Vila, Goetze etc would expect wages of £220k a week. None of them would expect half that amount.
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I dont think i agree with that if goetze or martinez were to become available i think all the big teams would be intrested and a good agent could easily get them half that amount.
But back to my original point if any worldclass established player sneijder aguero etc became available they would be looking for a rooney like wage.
jred

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23 Oct 2011 19:10:32
Best news today is Evans can go nowhere near the pitch for 3 games, can they extend it an can that be given to 4 more players as well

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23 Oct 2011 19:02:02
Well, what can I say? Shocking, embarrassing, humiliating and utterly dreadful day. Credit to City though, they were excellent.

What I want to say is this. over the years, United have always had a Robson, a Scholes, a Keane. What do we have in midfield today that can even occupy the same sentence with those legends. We're Manchester United. We should not have these average players starting every game. Anderson was absolutely pathetic today. The man cannot even pass properly anymore. He is lazy, he doesn't make an effort to lose the weight he has put on, he is clearly disinterested and you may aswell take his right leg off him because he doesn't know how to use it. I cannot believe I am saying this, but the sooner Tom Cleverley gets back in that midefield the better. I will be absolutely dumbfounded if we don't sign a top quality midfielder in January. Not Rodwell, Barkley or any other 'prospect. We need a top class central midfielder, but of course, who knows what the hell is going on with the Glazers.

Don't even get me started on Jonny Evans. It's not the sending off that annoyed me. The fact that he allowed the ball to even reach Balotelli was very poor. Patrice Evra needs to get his act together very quickly, because he is on his way out the door soon unless he picks up big time.

Where the hell was Berbatov today? A player who could hold the ball up to bring others into play when we went down to ten men, remains sat on the bench. Why? We're stuck with him for now, there's no point keeping him on the bench all the time when he could make a difference on the pitch.

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Oct 2011 19:00:14
After today's shambolic and embarrassing game I've to ask
Why did Fergie not sign a world class midfielder in the summer?
Why didn't Carrick (forgive me but I believe he's better than Fletcher imo) play?
Why did Jones, Vidic or Berbatov play?
With the manner in which our midfield has been performing of late why aren't Pogba & Morrison getting some action ?

Mancunian Red

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23 Oct 2011 18:58:37
Now that we are 5 points from City and have 4 centre midfielders in Carrick, Ando, Gibo & Park (he can play cm) who aren't of quality to start even for championship sides i think we sud let youngsters like pogba, morrison, etc.. play until jan & if they do gud enough then not buy any1 in jan& if problem isn't solved then buy some1 in jan. If they perform very nicely then no need to go all out for a CM in summer. If they perform nicely then we can go for a player who is experienced and won't cost to much & also wud be happy to sit on bench for at least 15-20 games/season. Also i think we need to buy a good, stable CB. I wud personally go for Ryan Shawcross with Benedict(sp) Howedes as Plan B. Also I don't think we can again win PL OR CL UNTIL EVRA LEAVES UNITED. I wud replace him with one of Baines, A.Pereira, Izaguirre or Cissoko. And the youngsters like Jones, Smalling & twins will fight it out for RB. Also few days ago i posted that we sud sell Evans & a guy replied he is awesome for 5th choice CB. I don't think so as next year De Laet will return from loan and take Evans place. So Evans sud also be sold. Also Ferdinand sud take a step back & start fewer games as he gets easily beaten by any1. He also may need a door out. As in striker we need a guy like Llorente who is good in ground and exceptional in air. Also Berbaflop & Owen need to be sold. Owen may have to retire. U guys may say we have Chica & Welbeck to partner Rooney but if Rooney gets injured then there is no-one even half of him. Now to Keepers, we have two very fine players in De Gea & Lindegaard. We also have Ben Amos. We sud sell Kuzsack. Now coming to Midfield. Our wingers are gud but i really hate Nani so i think we sud sell him (this perhaps won't happen) and buy Goetze or Hazard. The CM as mentioned above is tricky to tell depending on how youngsters perform. I think we sud buy a DM. My candidates being M'vila, De Rossi & Sissokho. Also if we buy Gotze then we will have him play as AM when needed. If he isn't bought then we sud add creativity in the side with Hamsik. As a summary we need to sell Park, Carrick, Gibo, Ando, Berb & Kuzsack. Also Nani may or mayn't be sold with Ferdy, Evra & Owen to retire or get sold or used as makeweight. We sud buy a CB (Shawcross or Howedes) , a LB ( Baines or Pereira or Izaguirre or Cissoko) , a DM (M'vila or Sissokho or De Rossi) , a CaM (Hamsik if Gotze not bought) and a ST (Llorente if we fail then sadly Cavani whn doesn't get in my criteria). Also a WM depending whether Nani goes or not {and if Gotze is bought or not}. ( if not Hazard or Di Maria) Sender the best ever C.RONALDO

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23 Oct 2011 18:56:08
anyone else think that fergie will drop evra and rio for a few games atleast?

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23 Oct 2011 18:45:10
Oh for gods sake we have been beat Boohoo!

Bad day at the office full stop. They are better than us now end of story. What do you expect with the zillions they have at their disposal. I remember the sick to my stomach feeling in Sept 1989 when they beat us 5-1, it was single most for me defining moment in our history. We went on to win the FA cup that year and the rest is as they say.

They will never be as big as us globally I think even they acknowledge that although they won't admit it. I made my way back from the game this afternoon with the lads and in a strange way I don't know whether I was in shock, I wasnt as gutted as I thought I would be. From this result will come a debrief, that will hopefully bring to the fore our obvious weaknesses.

We won the league luckily last year whilst having to rely on players well in to their 30's. God almighty we played Neville on New Years Day at WBA

Get over it guys and gals it is their time now, ourselves and Liverpool have got to accept it. Speaking as a United fan though we will get through this and become stronger, that that doesn't kill you and all that

Mike the Moston Red

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23 Oct 2011 18:43:24
Anderson will still come good, if not world class, and before any of you jump on my back and start saying why he is so s**t, burger king blah blah blah, too many nights out blah blah blah he will be a big part of a successful united team, i do agree however we need to buy someone like goetze or an attacking minded mid to provide a little bit of a creative spark but make no mistake anderson has more potential than most people think.

=v1= {Ed004's Note - I have backed Anderson all season, Ed1 will back that up, however the club seem to keep giving him chances and he keeps failing.}

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23 Oct 2011 18:39:02
hi do you think after todays game utd will spend money in the middle there was nothing from there today anderson flecher no good i think rio should hang up his boots y didnt he play vidic in my head i think that the boss thinks what ever team he picks is going to win just look at the team at liverpool we got lucky there and battered today i dont think if we had johhny still on field it would have made any diff sorry but just getting a little pissed off lately the way we are playing thank god chelsea slipped up

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23 Oct 2011 18:38:24
Oh dear, I can see by most of the posts by you Utd fans that the yellow & green scarfs will be making an appearance at the next home game. Just fall into line behind Rainfishtrombone.

The Irish Rover

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23 Oct 2011 18:36:51
Now i would like to take you back to the summer when i was going on about the need for a quality mid fielder and saying that the Glazers wouldn't do it. Then after one second half performance in the Charity shield I was told there was no problem as we didn't need a midfielder. Now I am not getting carried away with todays results as I have seen Liverpool hammer us recently at OT and Newcastle humiliate us 5-1 when they were challenging. i have read about our demise so many times that i don't take any notice any more. But all you Carrick haters remember the times he has protected the defence in Europe and think what a job he would have done today. I would love to know what goes on in training sessions at United. We all know that Evans isn't good enough and gets bullied off the ball by big players. Why does no one say to Evra that he is a left back not left winger. Once again he strolled back whilst City rampaged down the right hand side. Rio just hid all game and didn't look interested. Interestingly we had a player who can play up front on his own and hold the ball up and finnish top scorer in the league. His name is Berbatov. Finally things aren't so bad that we end up like Liverpool supporters just watching for our results to make comments on. I think today was the perfect example of owners. City's have done nothing but invest in the club and the Glazers have raped us of millions. RAINFISHTROMBONE

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23 Oct 2011 18:32:08
So as a January/June gradual plan i'd go for something along these lines transfer wise and squad wise.

Defence: Faze out Ferdinand and let Smalling take his place. Let Fabio and Rafael have a good run at right back if they can stay fit. If not, sign a RB. Let Evans go, he's really getting on my nerves, he's simply not good enough.

Midfield: Carrick, Gibson, Park all to go, maybe one of Anderson or Fletcher but they are good squad players and are happy to be one. Two players to come in are Modric and Rodwell, SAF likes them both and its very plausible.

Up front keep Berbatov and keep Owen, i like them both and what they have to offer. Think Berbatov would of been good today had he had been given a chance. Don't think a signing here is needed.

So thats Modric and Rodwell in, i'd be tempted to put in 70 million for Modric and Bale to be honest, it'd be an immediate fix to certain problems that we are having. {Ed004's Note - Bale for left back then?}

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23 Oct 2011 18:23:09
All you Liverpool fans

Like i have said before our current team is nowhere near as good as previous teams.We haven't played good football consistently for 2/3 season(apart from
the odd couple of games).We won the league last season because of how poor everyone else was.We have been in a steady decline since we sold Ronaldo and Tevez left.They were never properly replaced(the Ronaldo money should have been re-invested in the team).

But and this is a BIG BUT the mighty Liverpool didn't manage to beat a very poor United team who are playing crap at Anfied so how crap are Liverpool at this moment in time(actually not this moment in time more like last 20 years).

United will still finish higher than Your beloved Liverpool who will again struggle to qualify for Europe.So you can have your moment telling us how poor we are but just remember we are still a long way ahead of you and will be for the foreseeable future.

Marky Mark

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23 Oct 2011 18:22:25
that was humiliating - what the fook happened today? we are man u f'ing united?! we were at home aswell?? gutted, absolutely gutted! still we are UNITED and will go forth with hope!

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23 Oct 2011 18:15:36
Can people now admit that Anderson that useless fat tosser pretending to be a Brazilian midfielder should be nowhere near our team.
I said it all summer and got shot down in flames by idiots such as gan and syd who kept saying he needs a run in the team and that he was class.
Well there you go guys, like i said all along he is useless, is fat, can't pass, worst first touch I have ever seen for a Brazilian.
Please Fergie get this man away from our team and please please please never pick Jonny Evans again.

Red Daz.

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23 Oct 2011 17:50:42
I do not usually say told you so but on this one it has been waiting to happen as I said a few weeks ago when we face a good midfield.
Well done to City, certainly the best Old Trafford performance I have seen since Nottingham Forest came to OT in 1978 (approx) and beat us 4 nil.

Some of those on here have been blind, to the point of stupidity. In reality over the last three years we have not bought the players needed and there are two questions.
1) Is this down to the stubborn nature of SAF or
2) the money supply from the Glazers has been cut?

We should all be able to see what is needed, world class quality in midfield, a striker and also a left back. My concern is that even with those players added, SAF team selections on days like this defy description.

It is a wake up call of the highest order for SAF and the Glazers. Today I felt there was a serious change in the balance of power in Manchester. City are a lot better than given credit, now they have earned it.

On our side this has been a disaster waiting to happen, born out of failure in the transfer market, an arrogance in team selection together with poor players given greater credence than they have earned or merited.

It is only one game and we have lost similar before although not at home, however the nature of city's team means more this time than previous big defeats. We can no longer accept the MUTV and SAF plaudits to the qualities of Fletcher, Anderson and Evans (plus others wasting a squad place). It really is not acceptable. Morrison apart, are the other kids really good enough? and in honesty can we bring them in until a long time after this to get it out of our system?

Liverpool in 1990 that is where we are and where we are going if there is not a major change in attitude of the management and board to new signings.

Red Man

Believable5 Unbelievable3

23 Oct 2011 17:49:10
now who doesnt need sneijder, fletcher my a#$e.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 17:44:57
Our weakness in midfield both in terms of protecting the back four, and offensively in terms of creative play to allow the likes of Rooney and Nani to thrive was plainly obvious today. There is a disproportionate amount of pressure on the defenders and strikers due to lack of quality in the central area. There has been plentiful time to address this problem so I assume Sir Alex has some masterplan for which we have to be patient for it to bear fruition. Hats off to city, they exploited our weakness to full advantage, but we know go to work, this will hasten to inspire us back to expected standards.

Believable1 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 17:40:57
HUMILIATED! Is what I'm feeling right now. SAF is one of the best coaches that this football game ever saw. But the only think He can't see is that the game has changed and our part conquer is really on the part and all other teams are investing really hard to get in a good level of competition and we still on the same level.

Its important to have a good academy but that doesn't mean anything, look to Barcelona, they're really good but they keep improving even when they beat almost everybody.

So, what now? I only have one thing to say, Is time for change. We need a Clean Up crew. No more Carrick, Ando, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Park, Berba(high wages, no work at all), Owen, Diouf and alots more.

We're very poor at C.L and despite winning games in the PL we're still struggling on each and every games. If we don't invest in at least 5(really good players) we'll be done for some time.

SAF has a lot of work to do. Its not just about players loyalty, but the spirit they bring to the pitch and the results we get from it.

LB, 2 CM or a DM, CAM, WINGER, ST.
Rooney is a striker not AM, We need him up in front to score, cause Chicha is not on his best. Goals win games. Sometimes Rooney play in 5 different positions, cause the rest are just classless.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 17:38:09
IF we are struggling for funds etc, why not trim down the squad a bit - getting rid of the dead wood would give us approximatly 400,000 off of the wage bill which we could use on the Modric's etc

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 17:36:23
man city are the new best team in Manchester and your team are crap man city to rule Manchester for many many years to come

Believable8 Unbelievable3

23 Oct 2011 18:08:42
the question is what happens in January and the summer? do we sell all the deadwood and bring in about 5 or 6 new top class players or do we put faith in the youngsters..again {Ed004's Note - I think money needs to be spent on two Cm's and a left back.}

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 17:31:48
Can someone tell Ray Wilkins to f*** off with his biased views. It's doing my head in! Having to watch the match with no sound now because he is p***ing me off!

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Believable2 Unbelievable2

23 Oct 2011 17:27:28
how do we fix this, every one seems to agree we need 1 maybe 2 midfielders but what route do we go down , try and buy an established worldclass player or unearth a diamond bit like we did with chica.
Now i would like martineza or gotze even sneijder but i dont think we will pay the money required remember nasri sneijder aguero were all available in the summer but we either wouldnt get caught in a bidding war or pay the wages. The fact is a worldclass midfielder is going to cost a lot of money and expect a rooney like wage.
so i think in jan or the summer we can expect to see a couple of signings that we haven't really heard much off so lets hope fergy gets it right because i feel this is a big call.
jred

Believable0 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 17:17:47
Terrible defensive display today. I think if that result had of happened in August, he would have went out and bought a midfielder. When our wingers dont play well we dont win games. Nani and Young would wanna up their games.

On another note, I'm off to see Noel Gallaghers High Flying Birds and if he mentions the result he'll be getting a pint glass thrown at him!!

Mumbles

Believable3 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 17:08:44
Before the start I thought our midfield was poor but well... that was a shocker Anderson just cannot pass to anyone in red...Anyhow everyone knows about the midfield.
I said to my son Clattenberg would send someone off also to be fair I thought he had an ok game, it served to show how poor we are in certain areas but next game will be better (Aldershot) I hope

Pardoe

Believable0 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 17:05:15
Now i'm as gutted as the rest of you but in adversity you make decisions with your head and not your heart, i think some of you are letting your emotions get in the way of rational thinking. Lets have a look at this in a cold unemotional way.

Now city have one of the best groups of players of any team in world football and that has to be respected. I think some of us have been guilty of thinking "it's only city" which if you have that attitude mwkes this hurt that much more.
Also it's important to remember that medals aren't handed out in october fortunatley, and we never play well consistantly until after christmas.

Now lets address the game. To start with we need to look as the players who weren't there. Vidic is a world class defender and any team would have missed him today, it's unfortunate that he's not quite ready. It's unfair to compare Evans to him and apart from two mistakes he didn't have a bad game. He should have been closer to Balotelli for the first goal(although a certain amount of credit needs to be given to Balotelli for his movement to find the space) and the sending off was abit sloppy from him, but again you need to apperciate he was up against one of the best forwards in the world who's in great form atm. Also bear in mind Vidic has been sent off for us more times than Evans has, and with his current form/fitness there is a good chance Vidic would have been sent off today although now were heading into speculation.
And then theres the absence of Cleverley who is the reason Sir Alex wasn't prepared to be held to ranson on fees/wages over the summer, it's unfortunate he got injured and he does have a way of sewing the team together with his calmness and passing in the centre. He is the player who links the Defence to the wings and the forward line, he knits the team into one unit. His absence today against the best team we'll play in the league was vital. It also points out that when he's out we lack another player who can step into his role.

Now the first 20 mins we were the better team without being clinical or having that spark in the final third to make the break through against a very solid defence. City then scored against the run of play with their first real chance, this is unfortunate but i felt we battled on well but still didn't create much. Nani and Rooney had an off day and didn't seem able to really impose themselves on the game. After city scored you could see their confidence rise and they started to get into the game. At half time i thought the side were pretty even and felt the game was still on a knife edge, who ever started better after half time was going to go on and win. But we were very much still in the game at that point.
Then the second half started and city had the kick off and kept the ball not allowing us to maybe get the start we wanted then the sending off incident happened and that changed the game. There was very little chance of us coming back against a team with that many good players with 10 men. But regardless we still tried and all our players have to be appreciated for how hard they worked for the cause. We even managed to get a goal back against the the team with the best defensive record in the league with only 10 men. The score needs to be seen for what it was, we were losing 3-1 with only ten men, we played with ten men for 45 mins against one of the best teams in the league and unlike most teams we still went forward to try and get a result and in the end you could see how that tired us out and they scored 3 goals in the last 5 mins when all our players were out on their feet. 5 of their 6 goals came when we were down to ten men, which gives the score sheet an unbalanced look.
Now it was made obvious that Evra is now shocking defensively, and is only ever in the right position by chance, he needs to be moved on as we can't have such a liability in our defence, especially while we are trying to introduce so many young players into it. We also need another player in the centre of midfield who can knit our team together the way cleverley does, and maybe someone else who can add a spark in the final third if Nani and Rooney aren't firing on all cylinders.
On the plus side i thought Welbeck looked awesome in everything he did today, he was a tireless worker and held the ball up great, he brought others into play and his passing was neat and tidy.
Sir Alex will be hurting as much as anyone and this result will only work to motivate him and the team onto better things this season. We will bounce back from this and we've been doing it for over 20 years.

as a side note don't let the scousers wind you up, this is the greatest day of the season for them and their team didn't even kick a ball. Thats how far from grace they have fallen.

So lets keep our chins up and keep going, there is a hell of a long way to go in this season yet. Remember we are United.

Shappy

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23 Oct 2011 17:11:16
Ive tried to stay positive this season despite our poor performances but i have to say, today, we were humiliated.... I want my UTD back.... HERBIE

Believable5 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 17:04:02
Any ideas of a replacement for Johnny Evans ?

Chiellini
Thiago silva
Any others ?

Get rid of Ferdinand aswell !

Believable1 Unbelievable2

23 Oct 2011 16:59:59
Do we feel that this performance could spark our season into life or not? And do we feel that the destruction of our CM today will allow the likes of Pogba and Morrison to be introduced slightly earlier, or will it make SAF more determined to keep experience in the team?

I personally feel that should Pogba/ Morrison have played today, they would have brought far more to the team than Anderson and Fletcher, and at least they would've given 110%. So I do feel our appalling CM atm, will give the youth more opportunities than they perhaps expected. With regards to the other question, I feel it's the reality check we needed. This poor result had been coming given recent performances, and hopefully the famous 'hairdryer' comes out and some players might start to buck their ideas up.

SO TO SUM IT UP, LET'S HAVE FAITH IN THE YOUTH AND LET'S BOUNCE BACK! 1 RESULT DOESN'T MAKE A SEASON!

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Believable2 Unbelievable2

23 Oct 2011 16:56:17
Oh dear oh dear. back to earth with a bump.I just hope other teams realisr that utd are very much beatable at home and give it a real go. this season the arsenal win has papered over all the cracks.. s**t against us chelsea stoke and norwich.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 16:54:15
Do I cry or Laugh on SAF's Face?
I think that everybody saw it coming. City bought lot's of players but World class players and they're growing. We're stuck. The whole world can see that we need a stronger team to compete against the strongests cause the game has changed. We've Rooney, Nani, Vida, Young and nw De Gea, Smalling, Jones and Clev. The rest are just classless to play for United. We won't have always good young players coming from the Academy, so we need buy world class players to attrack other players and guide the younger ones. I really don't see us competing with City for the PL.
Pls don't come with bla bla bla and when Cleverly come back everything will be good... Lie, lie. Fergunson has no bench for Rooney and if he does not perform good, most of the time we don't play, so who's can be him when he's absent? Chicha, Welbeck, Berba, Owen? C'amon wazza is one of the best players in the world, taking is temper away. Chicha is a good goalscorer, Welb is growing, Berba is just to slow for this modern game, Owen? If you guys think that we've really a good squad, okay will see in may.
I hope we go shopping in January.

Believable4 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 16:52:57
After this afternoons game with City, does anyone doubt we need at least 2 top quality central midfielders? Our midfield never supplied any chances to Ronney or Wellbeck.
Where in all of our 1st team squad do we have a playmaker with the quality of either Silva or Nasri?
We are not playing well in the Champions league either and our quality in our 1st team is showing through.
Todays result has been coming, and is a wake up call to the Club and fans. The only good thing to come from this, is that we have been here before with Chelsea.
We can overcome this, but I believe we need to get our heads out of the sand and recognise our weakness's now. Man City are not going to get any weaker, if anything they will only buy more quality to their squad.
If anyone agrees, where do you believe our weakness's are, and realistically who do you thing we should try and sign...soon? {Ed004's Note - Has to be without a doubt, Cm and Left back. Sign two centre midfielders, preferably Martinez and Goetze and a left back like Izagurrie, though I think Bale would be a brilliant left back}

Believable3 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:52:09
Ok so now i've finally had enough of UNITED, we were torn apart in the biggest game of the season at HOME. I fully believe that we need to clean out the dirt and wipe up this mess, It is clear to me so i must assume that everyone else is in belief also. John o shea would have done a better job in defence than evans and evra nd at some points RIO, and in midfield he would have played 10 times better than that lazy $ndersson.

Why Must we rely on Rooney Constantly, everytime we were on the defence, all i could see was united players backing away as soon as rooney went tracking back after them, and young did this on numerous occasions and lost the ball too many times.

So is UNITED a team or a player, we spend 50 million on areas that were covered and left the void that was clearly left open for 90 + mins unrepaired.

WE MUST FIX THIS PROBLEM SOON

Rooney is a striker not a centre mid, why do the other 9 outfield players leave him to fill 3 areas on the pitch without a hand, cos i can see him leaving soon if its not fixed

so it is quite imperitive that we need to fil this midfield area NOW.

Rooney to play up front always, and get rid of EVRA, CARRICK, ANDO, EVANS, PARK and BERBA. The players listed are all lazy that are not good enough to make the bench. why did we not buy any mids last summer, Cos Sir AF got it wrong

i could write for ever but im not going to cos i get more annoyed and looking at that EVRA fella gets my blood boiling, has he the bran of a goldfish cause he seems to forget that he is a left full back, and that he must defend the ball

anyway rant over {Ed002's Note -

Believable3 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:50:34
What can u say to that hardly a tight game well done city but unless city win the league they wil be the only fans who will remember that game like that

Believable1 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 16:47:49
Bring back Scholes!

Matthew... ;)

Believable2 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 16:45:00
Its pretty simple, we were out classed in key areas. Every Tom, Dick and Harry knows .. well apart from the SAF or the money men we need a better central midfield. Unless they spend and make some big decisions on players like Evans, Evra and Anderson etc expect another mauling from Barcalona and co.

Believable3 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:39:38
I dont really have much to say, but when I read the BBC Football online team news and especially a United fans "Oh No Evans is playing report" - I didnt think much of it.
Looking at closely, Evans has played well lately and his speed would have catered for Aguero but the old cliche not his strength as Balotelli out-muscled him. I would have played Jones from the start as rb and Smalling in the middle.

I do agree with pros reports of the match on Saturday - the weakness for United is the constant changing of our defense - four players been played at right back - there is no consistency.

Good news well down Fletcher - great goal and I cant see us losing 6-1 at home for quite a while, not until City come back. Hats off to you.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:33:29
Silva won that match. Our defense may as well have just put on blue shirts in the second half. What a disgrace! I'm all for throwing the youths in at the deep end, get Anderson the f**k out, he was diabolical, as was that useless pile of steaming s**t Ferdinand! Rooney was the only player who was anywhere near stepping up to the plate. On the up side... What a brilliant goal from Fletcher!

Percy

Believable4 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:29:59
As we know we didn't buy Sneijder for reasons other than price etc which are starting to come out now but lets face it he wasn't the only Mid-Fielder on the planet and we could have snapped up a couple of them. App we are trying to broker a deal for Modric in Jan. Hurray!

Can someone please explain to me why Hernandez has a blinding season and now sits warming his Arsenal with Berbatov.

And my final point and this is a biggy. IF Anderson is a Brazilian football player I will eat my own Arsenal. We should be due a refund.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:28:15
What a sad day
well,fergie can't say he didn't see this coming,today's game was humiliating.
Fergie is a great coach,but he is human and is bound to make mistakes and not investing in mid fielders last transfer was one of them.
Fergie has a lot of work to do now,i think fergie has to bring in a striker,2 midfielders and a left back.players like cavvani,modric,mvilla and baines.
Jude

Believable0 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:27:17
How good is your team?
The past few weeks, us Liverpool fans lfc,Blair,Rover to name the few of many,have been saying Utd are not as good as you Manc's keep spouting.
To get beat 6-1 at home,you must now realize you are not the all conquering team.End of play today utd will be 3rd and that's were you will stay.
Redeyedhector YNWA
P.S 6-1 lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol

Believable2 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:17:47
I don't know whether to laugh or cry! For the last two summers on this site, everyone has identified the problem with this United team - the midfield. And yet, here we are. I thought the 3.1 Barcelona mauling was the wake-up call, but I guess not. I've given up on Anderson now. He doesn't do much more than drag his fat @rse around the pitch chasing players that continue to outplay him. He's been given chance after chance. Two central midfielders need to be brought in.

That said, Mancini got his tactics absolutely right. He targeted Evans and Evra. Fair play to him. On current form, neither of them should be playing for United. Could someone let me know why Phil Jones is sat on the bench and Nemanja Vidic is sat in the stands whilst Johnny Evans starts in the biggest game of the season? Silva took the p!ss out of the defence today. I'm also struggling to see why Rooney didn't start upfront by himself. But if SAF was so intent on giving him a strike partner, why was it Welbeck and not Hernandez?

The only positives I can take out of the game (if any), is that Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool and Stoke are now all out of the way until Christmas.

Matthew...

Believable2 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:12:58
should we maybe of coughed up for sneijder?
jred

Believable4 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 16:09:47
To JWalk - So Im now a City fan because I challenge SAFs' decisions? this is a club - not a dictatorship. You tell me why we couldnt beat that pub team mid week and now we've been ripped apart by city then?

Believable4 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:08:14
Ok, so something constructive is needed here, yes we were thrashed without doubt. Yes we were out played, but was the whole squad outplayed? No. It was only certain players that were better than us, Silva being the main one. Without him they wouldnt have played so well...

So looking at that lets have a look at the squad. In goal we're fine, De Gea is good enough for sure. At center back if we play our proper line up (which doesn't include Evans) we are fine, at full back we could be alright, but i don't think we are. I don't think we need a CB, we need a verstaile full back. Smalling should play central defence, its like playing Rio at RB..It wouldnt work. Alba has been mentioned, i guess he'd be alright, Joao Pereira would be the best choice as he can play left or right back.

Midfield is a desperatly concerning area tbh, the wings are fine and we are well stocked for sure. But, central midfield we are probably 6th or 7th best in the league - look at City, Spurs, Chelsea even Newcastle have a better midfield than we do. We don't need someone decent, we need someone WORLD CLASS. We have good squad players with Fletcher, but nothing more than good squad players. Please sign Modric for god sake, we know we want him, we want him, and he probably wants us or Chelsea.

Up top let the ones taht don't play go, dont need anymore strikers if we play Rooney up top! Justp lay him in a forward position!!

Please play 4-2-3-1, its the new way and its something that we will have to do. Its fact. Rooney up top where he is best, Gotze or someone like taht at CAM, central midfield play Modric with Fletcher if we run out of cash for another player.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:07:18
'Fagie knows best'with evra,anderson,evans,carrick and fletcher yet to represent us at chelsea,city and the w.h.lane im terrified.Dan-kenya

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:06:06
you can tell in the interview that SAF has royally bollocked Evra and Ferdinand to within an inch of their lives!
I can imagine them still cowering in the showers crying
AG {Ed004's Note - Lol}

Believable0 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 16:05:45
There is a lot of negativity on this site, one bad result is not end of it people.
Evans is pathetic we all know this and some one needs to tell this to SAF.

Now to the match i think we were poor not because players played badly but because players we were playing r bad. Who ever thinks anderson is good is sadly still living in his porto days. He is piss poor we need 2 world class CM's again people here seem to know but fergie can't seem to understand this.

Also if i am not mistaken we payed something like 3.75 mn for keane which was a British record then and also outbid and outthwarted Kenny( though i m not sure we outbid) and the same SAF now doesn't enter bidding wars. WE could have had Ozil i know he wanted RM but money talks guys and same goes with silve and nasri but SAF again is adamant.

I am in a way happy that this loss came because Man Utd this year was a bubble just waiting to burst. I hope Fergie learns his lessons.

And Last, 1 bad match is never dooms day guys when it goes to wire in feb and mar that's where the Fergie will trump City and 20th title will have Man Utd's name on it.

Red Devil

Believable1 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 15:47:05
I was one of the one's saying believe in youth. But even I was surprised that we didn't buy one midfielder at least. But then I know it isn't so simple to get the right one from a handful that are able to make that grade. But that aside after today and I don't think this is any knee jerk. Its been coming. The transition from last season in comparison to the start of this was hopeful but not enough. We need a world class midfield to be feared again and those youngsters who are part of the transition we have had a taste of should be the compliment of a destroying fear inducing mid not the sole hope. I still look at this as a three year plan for alex to leave with a strong team but so much damage can happen in that time if we allow city to dominate even one year. It can't be allowed to happen otherwise it will be us playing catch up. Cons red

Believable1 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 15:46:14
It has been coming to be honest, these past few weeks performances have been poor and it all fell apart today. The result was a reflection of Ferguson's ignorance over a below par midfield. He now needs to take a look at what we have and start to make some changes because was sheer embarrassment.
LosMillonetas

Believable4 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 15:44:25
our football style just doesn't suit the modern game, we play with two attacking wingers and two poor cm, where as the best teams in europe, barce and real and now city play with 2 defensive mids, two attacking mids and a cf and striker, everything is down the middle with fullbacks to add width, SAF needs to get with the time


for the person who wrote the above post i couldn't agree more, the game has moved on
jred

Believable3 Unbelievable1

23 Oct 2011 15:40:36
You have to say Mancini's tactics today were spot on, SAF's got absolutely everything wrong today. Why in gods name would you start with Jonny Evans when you have Phil Jones & Nemanja Vidic at your disposal. Why would you play Welbeck when you have Hernandez at your disposal? Why did Anderson play in this fixture? Against three defensive midfielders he was obviously going to be useless, simple mistakes by SAF. Sadly Ferdinand shown his lack of pace and that must be a sign that Smalling & Vidic must play CB.

Obviously the sending off was the issue here, it was a very equal game up til then. The fact that United never give up which leaves holes at the back is another reason, why flood forward when we are 4.1 down with a few minutes to go? Why not just see the game through? This defeat will be great experience for Smalling, Jones, Welbeck, Hernandez etc in the long-run, but they will be hurting now. Especially their ears with SAF shouting at them. But IMO, the blame lays with the manager today. A poor line-up and poor tactical decisions.

We lost 6.1 today, but at the end of the day it's just three points, it's about recovering and getting a win at Everton, then up until January it is a very easy run on paper.

Sydney!

Believable2 Unbelievable2

23 Oct 2011 15:40:04
theres no excuse for that, no matter what you say. some people on here talk about the finance, about the owners, theres only one person to blame here and that is alex fergusan. we all laugh at wenger when they came to old trafford and lost, now look at us at home and humiluated. i'm sorry but every dog has its day. Fergy lost us the league in the summer when he did not buy a midfielder. and anderson there is better pub team players in manchester than that lump of s**t. no matter how yo defend him, he ain't worthy of wearing the shirt. Fletch shouldn't be a first team regular, evans shouldn't be there. Fergy has effectively give up, poor selection againgst liverpool, poor selection against city, this is not the first time, it want be the last, he has to go.

aaallj5

Believable4 Unbelievable2

23 Oct 2011 15:39:18
Disgraceful performance!how is it that time and time again fans can see that our midfield isn't good enough and fergie can't see it!has he lost it?regardless of the fact our central midfields aren't good enough, I would of never have played welbeck,and certainly never have played evans,jones and Chico should have played!although nani hadn't been plain well,I would of never have taken him off as he is always a goal threat!I'm sick!I hope this will wake fergie and the glazers up!

Believable3 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 15:36:20
Where to start? First 20 minutes it's all looking good but the attitude of the players after going a goal behind was awful. Look at the world's best sides they all pressure the ball, do United? No. City were the better side leading into half time and as soon as Evans went it was pretty much game over.

Obviously the sending off changed the game but we were atrocious. Evans should never have started and will hopefully never start again.

Now I have always defended Anderson and believed he had things to offer in midfield, however, his attitude when we were down to 10 was shocking, just strolling around and just going to the ball when he fancied it. Disgraceful.

Ferguson has got to spend in January even though he never does. 2 Central Midfielders are an absolute must. Players who are not going to be cup tied in the CL are hard to come by but there are still several who we could go for. Martinez, Modric, M'Vila, Sissoko etc. An awful day to be a United fan and I'd imagine it's going to be a scouse filled night on this page.

Rjmanutd

Believable2 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 15:34:16
the worse part is it's been coming , for all the people who's been saying everythings ok we won the league last year etc.... please explain whats just happened in the middle off the park we are not good enough, wouldnt fancy getting madrid barce or munich in euro
jred

Believable4 Unbelievable0

23 Oct 2011 15:31:00
Good afternoon Guys
Well that was as emabarrassing as it gets.I know we are in danger of making knee jerk comments but does anyone seriously believe we do not need a world class centre midfielder.After the first 20 minutes when we were the better side City just waltzed through the middle of our midfield creating chances at will.Nothing will change in January but surely next summer Fergie needs to make a central midfielder his priority.
Players such as Evans,Evra,Anderson and even Fletcher must surely be worried about their futures at United now.

Bazza The Red

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23 Oct 2011 15:30:09
Well guys, I did say on wednesday that it was probable that uniteds era is over, and that we would then find out just how good the supporters are, the noisy neighbours 6-1 thrashing is only the start. united have flattered to deceive for the last 18 months and are just not good enough. their experience got them through difficult games that they should not have won. Its over guys, youve had a good run, but I really cant see a way back from this humiliation today. Fergies head will be called for very soon.

the most significant thing for me today was not the 6-1 thrashing but the way the supporters starting leaving the ground with 20 mins remaining ! the stand were only half full be 80 mins, what sort of support is this ?

This is not a gloat, but Im afraid its over boys, mid table finish for united methinks, you wont come back from this humiliation

tel 1949

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23 Oct 2011 15:30:01
Well played lads what a performance and to think that lot think they can win the league ya's completely outplayed them today even when they had eleven men(we all know they're going to use the sending off as an excuse). Dont get too carried away though because being realistic it was a pretty average team ya's were playing. Oh sorry i thought this was the city banter page, never mind

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23 Oct 2011 15:29:10
Rooney is the only true world class player we have,city have 4 at least(nasri,silva,balotelli and aguero)we need to buy at least two world class mids to keep pace with them,terrable performance all round today and hopefully it will be the wake up call we need.still could b worse could b a liverpool fan!! Roonbest

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23 Oct 2011 15:27:01
To the "IN SAF we trust brigade" Now tell me we didnt need to make major signings, now tell me sneijder was asking for too much money even though city players earn much more, now tell me anderson is a world class midfielder - he is attrocious, now tell me everything is under control, now tell me we can win win the CL with these chumps and now tell me SAF was right not to spend money! Im sick of hearing how alex ferguson knows what he's doing, its BS! What was the team he played against liverpool all about? why is johnny evans keeping phil jones and vidic out? why is anderson now a defensive midfielder when he was signed as a goal scoring winger? Why is Rooney playing in midfield when he's a striker?
Why didnt he sell berbatov and sign a new striker in the summer instead of keeping the poor guy on the bench?
Why is Fletcher and Carrick still at the club when they are mediocre sideways passers? AND WHY DIDNT WE SIGN AGUERO? this hammering was coming and i hope it makes ferguson get off his arse and make the changes that are so obviously needed or else retire!


Never a truer word spoken!

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23 Oct 2011 15:25:45
What can be said, embarrassing, depressing, pathetic doesn't even get anywhere near it. After Evans got sent off we were never going to get back in it. But the last 10 minutes were the most shameful in Fergie's time in charge, to see players playing in a derby match just give up like that is beyond belief.

But we all really know that we lost because Cleverly is injured, not because City completely played us off the park.

Danny Pughnited

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23 Oct 2011 15:24:46
why evans? WHY??

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23 Oct 2011 15:24:03
sir alex x dont be feeling BLUE we are here to cheer you up lol
king henry

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23 Oct 2011 15:23:17
Im not religious but Jesus H Christ City have destroyed us and they totally deserve all the credits that will be lauded at them. United have been found out, 300M needed to catch them now and the glaziers wont even spend 30 - we are finished!

RED

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23 Oct 2011 15:23:09
Sydney, GAGUS et al,
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ultra red

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23 Oct 2011 15:21:37
city win 6-1

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23 Oct 2011 15:21:37
LASTEST CRICKET SCORE FROM OLD TRAFFORD
utd bowled out for 1
city 6- in one over
............lfc

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23 Oct 2011 15:20:15
lol, wow this is actually getting funny, if SAF can't see we need about 3-5 world class players then worrying times ahead..

mr keightley

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23 Oct 2011 15:16:31
I think us not adressing the centre midfield is coming back to haunt us, I cant think of one of our centre midfielders that is up to the standard that our club needs.

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23 Oct 2011 15:13:32
Hopefully Fergie will realise that our midfield isn't upto it.

We are in desperate need of a top DM. Against the tops teams we get exposed in the middle.

Evra again letting us down City have identified his as the weak area as they constantly attack down right hand side of pitch.

People say buying a DM or CAM will hold back pogba tunnicliffe Cleverly etc but we can't wait while they come through the ranks.

I think after watching Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson in midfield Pogba should be given a chance to stake a claim. Fletcher is a grafter and is 27 and a very good squad player but Carrick he should have gone in the summer.

I though S.Parker would have been a good buy for £5 million he's at his peak and wouldn't hold our youngsters back long term. How many DM can you get for £5million of his quality. If we go out and buy one it will cost £25 million or aournd that mark unless we go for someone unknown. Spurs got a very good buy there.

Maybe bid for Vidal as he does look very good.

Also De Rossi, Tiote, anyone else name a few top DM we could buy?

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23 Oct 2011 15:12:26
after watching this horrible display i think we can safely say, real, barcelona, city, and bayern are better than us.

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23 Oct 2011 15:12:23
now I hope Fergie realises United need to buy some decent players!

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23 Oct 2011 15:12:06
with a couple of midfield additions and henandez roon ey and wellbeck scoring goals we still reach the summit come may but there doesn't need to be midfield additions im not crazy or pessimistic saying that am i cjwales82

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23 Oct 2011 15:05:36
I keep telling you Mancs, 'YOU ARE A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE TEAM, WITH A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE SQUAD'. I have been proven right time and time again, everytime you play someone good.

I'm off for a while, speak to you later......

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. Did you see Shreks dive? And you talk about Suarez.

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23 Oct 2011 15:05:33
sorry guys but we are losing it. i used to like anderson, and evans but both need out. we need some serious investment in quality players. i think we have a serious challenge for the title this year. i hate the fact city have spent so much money but we need to aswell. look at the summer had fergie not been so stubborn, we could have had any of these 3 players, sneijder nasri modric.

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23 Oct 2011 15:05:25
this is brilliant city should have 5 or 6

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23 Oct 2011 14:59:12
I think City should lay off a little bit now, they are making a mockery of Utd. Quite funny, Get it right up yas.

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23 Oct 2011 14:57:34
So we still dont need a creative world class center midfield?

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23 Oct 2011 14:57:14
To the "IN SAF we trust brigade" Now tell me we didnt need to make major signings, now tell me sneijder was asking for too much money even though city players earn much more, now tell me anderson is a world class midfielder - he is attrocious, now tell me everything is under control, now tell me we can win win the CL with these chumps and now tell me SAF was right not to spend money! Im sick of hearing how alex ferguson knows what he's doing, its BS! What was the team he played against liverpool all about? why is johnny evans keeping phil jones and vidic out? why is anderson now a defensive midfielder when he was signed as a goal scoring winger? Why is Rooney playing in midfield when he's a striker?
Why didnt he sell berbatov and sign a new striker in the summer instead of keeping the poor guy on the bench?
Why is Fletcher and Carrick still at the club when they are mediocre sideways passers? AND WHY DIDNT WE SIGN AGUERO? this hammering was coming and i hope it makes ferguson get off his arse and make the changes that are so obviously needed or else retire!

RED

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23 Oct 2011 14:57:07
We want 5! We want 5!

The Irish Rover

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23 Oct 2011 14:54:32
Never a good thing to be 0-2 against Citeh but we can definitely see that the midfielder centre position needs addressing and the game has emphasised further that Evans, Anderson are not good enough and Evra and Rio look passed their best.

My vote would be for 2 of Hamsik, Sniejder, Diarra, Barkley, Rodwell, Ganso, Ozil and Kedhiera are needed plus a left back and a centre half (Shawcross or Cahill).

Just 2pence worth.

Ajp

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23 Oct 2011 14:49:02
we are crying out for a player like silva
jred

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23 Oct 2011 14:45:23
Why the hell Evans was chosen ahead of Jones and Vidic,...That ******* doesn t know how to tackle and now has left us with 10 men.....
I say sell him for free in Jan. {Ed001's Note - how can you sell someone for free? That would be giving him away, not selling him!}

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23 Oct 2011 14:41:09
best thing that happened...evans unavailable for the next 5 games !

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23 Oct 2011 14:37:27
GAME OVER

Evans shouldnt even be at this club and now he's cost us 3 huge points, what an idiot

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23 Oct 2011 14:25:17
Well at least my line-up wouldn't be 1.0 down right now. Jones should be in a 3-man midfield marking Silva. Rooney should be up top on his own and not come deep. But now we are 1.0 down we need to play Hernandez & Rooney upfront.

Sydney!

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23 Oct 2011 14:22:41
Now, whilst I don't advocate millions of pounds being spent, I think once again we are being found wanting in the final third agains a well disciplined side. Anderson and Fletcher (especially Fletcher) cannot make that final ball after a good passing spell he goes for the ball and cocks it up time and time again. I really want an established central midfielder in there, we haven't spent big on a single player for a while, but tbh I think its about time we signed a good central midfielder - for me Modric. Say what you like but you cannot deny that Silva, Aguero, Toure have been more effective so far than Nani, Young, Rooney etc.

I think with Modric or someone like him we'd be complete and we'd be blwoing City out the water right now. We've had so much possesion, but need to do more with it.

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23 Oct 2011 14:21:34
our football style just doesn't suit the modern game, we play with two attacking wingers and two poor cm, where as the best teams in europe, barce and real and now city play with 2 defensive mids, two attacking mids and a cf and striker, everything is down the middle with fullbacks to add width, SAF needs to get with the time

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23 Oct 2011 14:17:32
good game lads, nice to see rooney taking a couple of dives , off course you wont talk about that , also anderson should of got a straight red, but hey it is old trafford.............lfc

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23 Oct 2011 14:13:45
guys any link to the match?

Jack

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23 Oct 2011 14:10:53
City look more dangerous in the final 3rd, rooney isnt playing well at all lately, nani is overrated, anderson is out of his depth playing for united, smalling is also overrated, young was an expensive mistake although his form in his first 3 games was decent, evans is poor, evra is on the way out, fletcher is, er, fletcher, park is run of the mill and then theres the usual suspects - carrick, berba and the twins who are just about good enough for the squad so that leaves who? giggs, hernandez, rio, vidic, de gea and cleverley, 3 are on the wrong side of 30, 2 are inexperienced youngsters and hernandez is not effective enough for 90 minutes and was found out in the CL final, which is why he's being used as a supersub in the solksjaer mould. So how is 1 defensive midfielder and 1 attacking midfielder going to make any difference at all? I hate to say it but United need to chop a lot of dead wood and bring in fresh talent quickly before City get too far ahead

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23 Oct 2011 12:44:16
eds will there be a motor racing section added ? {Ed001's Note - we already have an F1 site, we are just going to expand that to include other motor sports.}

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23 Oct 2011 12:43:00
Glad to be wrong with the line-up, although I find it ridiculous that Jones & Vidic is not on the pitch. Lets hope we win this game or SAF will be under deep scrutiny. How can you play Evans ahead of Jones or Vidic?

Sydney!

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23 Oct 2011 13:13:43
would it be fair to say that evans is fergys 3rd choice CB after ferd & vidic
jred

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23 Oct 2011 13:11:52
De Gea; Smalling, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra; Nani, Anderson, Fletcher, Young; Rooney, Welbeck.

Subs: Lindegaard, Fabio, Jones, Park, Valencia, Berbatov, Chicharito.

Interesting line up, very attacking IMO. looks like were going for it. Surprised with the bench abit both with Berbatov being included and Vidic and Carrick being excluded. We have no cover for centre midfield other than Jones.

Shappy

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23 Oct 2011 12:46:40
interesting line ups lads. I hope for the shots game we see more of the kids. Be disappointed if some of your line ups were to happen. I doubt berb will feature in any game between now and the new year to ram it home that he's not wanted. Also i thought macheda was out for three weeks after a accident at training. Almost broke his arm.

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23 Oct 2011 12:36:23
man city line up:


hart

richards
kompany
lescott
clichey

barry
dejong
silva
milner

aguero
balotelli

interesting line up, maybe SAF will go with a more attacking line up now he has seen this slightly defensive team

mr keightley

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23 Oct 2011 12:25:27
R.I.P to Marco Simoncelli who died in the moto gp today.

mr keightley

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23 Oct 2011 11:44:16
Right lets see how good my preditction skills are. lol.
Todays line up will be:

____________De Gea___________
_Smalling_Ferdinand_Vidic__Evra_
_____________________________
________Jones__Fletcher________
_Nani__________________Young_
___________Rooney____________
___________Welbeck___________

Or if Sir alex goes more defensive like this:

____________De Gea____________
_Smalling__Ferdinand__Vidic__Evra_
______________________________
_________Jones_Fletcher_________
_Nani______Anderson______Young_
____________Rooney____________

I think Cleverley will get a role on the bench, and Hernandez will be a better opyion from the bench to grap a goal later on when things start to open up. The plan will be to keep it tight and stop City getting into their rythm, try and keep pocession. Nani could be benched to start with but i felt at home we'd want abit more threat up front. Welbeck is better at holding the ball up and defending from the front which is why i think he could start.

For tues day i'd like to see this line up:

___________Lindegaard___________
_Vermijl___Carrick__Fryers___Fabio_
______________________________
________Cleverley_Pogba_________
__Valencia________________Park__
____________Morrison___________
_____________Keane____________

with a strong bench: Amos, Jones, Evra, Fletcher, Cole, Owen, Welbeck


Shappy

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23 Oct 2011 11:24:39
Good morning Guys
Kick off is just over 2 hours away and the butterlies are just starting in my stomach.I think this could be a classic.Whether we like it or not we have to get used to the idea that City are more of a threat than they have ever been.That said we are Manchester United and City still want to be where we are.This is the sort of day when Fergie rises to the the challenge and shows why he is the best manager the world has ever seen.
I think the match will be nail biting but I take us to beat City 3-2.
Come on you Reds

Bazza The Red

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23 Oct 2011 11:22:56
"There's a couple of players at the moment we're looking at who could be the same type as Hernandez. We do well at that [finding players]."

- Sir Alex Ferguson

Got this off the football news section on the man united website. Could one of these players be the partner of Hernandez when he was at Chivas? Erick Torres?

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23 Oct 2011 10:59:54
Sir Alex Ferguson was put on this earth for days like today. Lets turn the volume down on the noisy neighbours..COME ON YOU REDS!

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23 Oct 2011 10:50:01
Whatever Sydney, Liverpool are the better team, admit it... we will still win the league........lfc {Ed004's Note - Lol!}"""

dear mr lfc
its barely 1/5 of the season and you guys are already bringing up the "5"
and finding excuses for everything
and talking about the past and the highly imaginary future
ngiak has heard these for so many seasons already
but after so few games?
ngiak is sure the liverpool fans will continue to read the history books, rather than the present newspapers
but the pages are getting older and fading fast...
looks like spurs played you guys off the pitch... again and arsenal are on their way back
7th again? if you are lucky? and suarez continues to cheat? IF he stays to cheat that is..
gan

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23 Oct 2011 10:32:26
It appears the FA are going to appeal Rooney's three game ban. If it is viewed as frivolous then it will be four games. Surely then he should not go to the Euros and perhaps go to the Olympics instead?

Sydney!

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23 Oct 2011 10:02:00
Philip Walton was outstanding yesterday at Anfield. Under constant attempts from Suarez to "win" free kicks he remained very strong.

Talking of which, if Mr Suarez was to concentrate on playing football rather than diving and whining and whinging, the lad would be better served.
His fantastic ability is being lost in attempted gamesmanship.
Shame for Liverpool that their weak manager felt it necessary to come out and state he wasn't a diver this week rather than confronting this obvious flaw in his character!

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23 Oct 2011 07:58:29
United are allegedly watching Alvaro Vadillo, the 17 Betis winger. He looks a prospect though he's injured just now. The Times say we made an offer but I'm guessing Real will step in here as they frequently do.

Pip

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23 Oct 2011 06:00:15
Gerrard: "Liverpool is a magical place."

Probably explains why so much stuff disappears there...

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Oct 2011 02:15:45
Wow.... Been reading the LFC page n guess what.... Them boys over there are blaming Fergie for there p*ss poor performance.... Hows that work out then?? HERBIE

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23 Oct 2011 01:23:12
Jono {Ed004's Note - But we do not know how confident Cleverley is compared to Pogba, they may have different ways of dealing with pressure. We are only hearing rumours that Pogba wants nothing concrete, though hopefully we see him soon, Fergie knows what he is doing}

Ed004 I dont think that the pressure thing can be measured without throwing them in at the deep end. Blanc knew Obertan wouldn't make it with his issues and he dealt with him at around the same age so i'm sure SAF will know that if Pogba didn't have the correct temperment for the big time he wouldn't be here.

Im not bothered and i'm sure SAF isn't bothered what Pogba wants but more what is best for UTD. There have been multiple comments about him having a brilliant future and being ready so why not throw him in?He certainly wont do any worse than we have seen in CM lately or last year. We got no warning about the mid 90's crop coming through and they did ok.

I just think Pogba especially is ready and more so with the fact we had no new recruits in CM after the summer we should throw him in as I have no doubts he can offer us more than a few others we have been playing and by crunch time of the season he will have had a year of regular games with us an the pressur will be off to a degree.

Jono

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23 Oct 2011 00:54:39
Come on then lads, what are your final predicted line-ups? If Giggs & Park are fit, this is my predicted line-up. I hope I am wrong though.

___________Quintana

Small____Ferdy____Vidic____Evra

_____Fletch___Jones___Giggs

___JSPark____Rooney____Young


Sydney!

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