Manchester United Banter Archive September 23 2012

 

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23 Sep 2012 23:32:28
I'm sorry, because I know I'll get slated again, but this is my opinion.

Kagawa, I know he has the talent, the ability et al, but he hasn't done anything to prove it thus far. A nimble player like him should be looking to run past players thread balls through to our strikeforce but for the whole game I didn't see him pass forward once! I know I may have rustled up many peoples feathers with this post but I'm just bein realistic, I personally thought that this buy would be the bargain of the summer, but I'm seriously unimpressed with his performances of late. We are changing our whole team to try and include both RVP and Rooney, but they won't gel without the supply from Kagawa who was bought solely for that advanced role. I'm really disappointed because I thought he would set the league alight, but 5 games in, he hasn't really come to standard. Let's hope for our sake he can adapt, try and provide the service, and be the player that I hoped he would be

Yellowcar

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What can RvP and Kagawa do when they are isolated away from the midfield? When Rooney and Young return we will see the real Kagawa.

Sydney!

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Coloudnt agree more Syd and both have done well considering what they've been supplied with

Anon

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Sydney, I agree. RVP was far too isolated today. Ditch the wingers and get some people running from the midfield. My team if everyone was fit would be the following.
------------De Gea
Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Buttner
--------Ando-----Cleverly
----Valencia--Rooney---Kagawa
------------- RVP

Norn Iron

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Kagawa isn't bein utilised properly. Who can he put Juliet passes in if he haven't got any runners coming in from the wings to create space and streak the opposition?

ALDUtd

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Dear sir
simple
ngiak believes Dortmund has a vastly superior supporting cast than our poor dear Manchester united
gan

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Don't talk nonsense Gan. Dortmund play a different style to us, the German league is also nowhere near as strong as our league and Kagawa does need time to settle. Add that to not having a left winger available due to Young's injury and us not having Rooney in the side. It will come good, just hope that happens sooner rather than later.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 22:18:09
Imagine guys, if we didn't buy RVP where would the team be right now? Rooney out really has changed the team a lot.

Rooney's energy and determination used to pick the team up and win us games. Ok Robin isn't as hard working but he has won us games, imagine these two players together?

Strongest line up IMO:

__________De Gea
_Rafael_Smalling_Vidic_Evra
_Valencia_Carrick_Kagawa_Young
___________Rooney
___________RVP

Some may disagree but we have missed Rooney and Young's contribution to the team. I can see this being the regular line up for us this season once all players are fit.

It's not all doom and gloom, today was different SAF obviously played experience over youth to handle a determined and emotional Liverpool side. We were lucky to win but I doubt we will see any more games like this for a while.

Now everyone have a great week and start looking forward to Newcastle, where we will hopefully have Fletcher, Powell, Buttner, Anderson, Rooney and maybe young in the side to show off and change SAF mind.

Good night!

-JakeW

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Jake my thoughts exactly this was a one off game uniquely built up to be played down and personell picked to reflect. difficult game three points picked up. job done.

..constantine..

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23 Sep 2012 22:09:00
Bye bye John Terry, a little bit of justice done tonight.

Sydney!

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Im sure hes sobbing into his 150k a week.

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23 Sep 2012 21:48:32
dodgy banter
i would like some of what you are on, you think you will win title. what planet are you from?

B O H

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We will win the league.

Caolán.

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We're well placed and playing badly. This team will start playing better soon, there are plenty of quality players in our squad... Rooney and RVP will score plenty.

I'm low on supplies at the moment, so unfortunately can't share what I'm "on", sorry mr Hippo, you'll have to go on being miserable :(

DodgyBanter

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Squad wise, I think we can win the title. If you take today's starting 11 and then add our subs bench (which has been very strong over the last few weeks) and then add the likes of Vidic, Rooney, Young, Fletcher, Jones and Smalling then we'll be very very close. I just believe that the boss can select a much better starting XI than the one had today. We all have to agree that we've been getting a few iffy decisions go our away in the last few weeks. That luck isn't going to last forever, Karma's a bitch as they say!

An Dun Red Devil

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23 Sep 2012 21:42:53
23 Sep 2012 19:32:01
TOTAL RIP-OFF !
MANU'S OWN FANS AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY THEIR
COACH SHOULD BE
ASHAMED OF SUCH A
COWARDLY WIN
BLOODY CHEATS !
SUCH TOOLS WILL ALWAYS
WALK ALONE !


I AM A BLUE, BLOOD AND SWEAT BUT IT PAINS ME TO SEE THE REFEREES ARE ALWAYS IN MANU'S POCKETS

WHY DO WE EVEN BOTHER COMPETING THEN IN SUCH A SCENARIO?

IT MIGHT HAPPEN TO US TOO

TRUEBLUE FOREVER TABY {Ed018's Note - you should have posted this on the Man United site. Would have been more entertaining}

A little something from the CFC Page

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A ! How biased can you get?

-JakeW

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LOL, you can't make this up. Luiz should have been sent off and both Oscar and Ivanovic dived yesterday.

Sydney!

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Considering some of the scandalous decisions Chelsea have got against United lately, they are in no position to talk.

G.A.G.U.S

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Nice to see the Chelsea boys cracking and it isn't even october yet. This lads gonna have a nervous breakdown by christmas if he keeps this up. lol.

Shappy

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Were Chelsea fans complaining when they "cowardly" defended their way to last seasons CL victory?...........Exactly.

TK-Red

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24 Sep 2012 13:12:30
So Oscar and Ivanovic dived yesterday, but United players are cheats and our fans should be ashamed of themselves, yet Chelsea fans forced Mikel to close his twitter account. Sent racist Tweets to Anton Ferdinand. Wake up kid, Chelsea fans are some of the most vulgar around.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 21:36:53
Ok yes we won, well done.

But that was a poor performance and its not the first time this season either.

I think we'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season as we always seem to start slow and pick up after Christmas.

But some serious changes need to be made.

1. Pick who is first choice keeper and stick with him instead of keep chopping changing.

2. Get a decent assistant in, one who actually understand tactics and gets out of his seat. I fail to understand what Phelan actually brings to the club. Unless he's just there to keep time till Fergie retires and we can ease him out of the way when the new man appoints his own team.

3. Please stop playing Giggs in midfield. His legs have clearly gone and he isn't upto it anymore. Really should have retired 2 summers ago. Give him Phelan's job!

4. If your gonna play Carrick then play someone with him who has some energy and pace. Preferably a midfield 3. I like Carrick but he works best with someone with some zip, preferably in a 3 of him, Cleverley and Anderson.

5. Nani well where to begin, I think he knows he isn't wanted after the Zenit farce and it looks like he can't be bothered. He's been getting worse and really needs to go.

6. Use Kagawa properly. Play him in the hole with Anderson/ Cleverley just behind and van Persie upfront.


Myself i'd go:

De Gea

Rafael Smallimg Vidic Buttner

Cleverley Carrick Anderson

Rooney Kagawa

Van Persie

I think we need to prioritise this season and concentrate the first team on the league and Europe. Sacrifice the cups altogether, just play the kids and anyone who's been injured no atter the opposition, give the young lads much needed game time and experience.

I fear its going to be a very long season and i'm not relishing the 6 games against Chelsea, Arsenal and City we have to come.

Things need to improve.

Mort

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Thats excatly the line up i'd go with, we need to load the midfield to mask up our deficencies in that area. If we went out with a three man midfield today then i think it would have been a very different game. True wingers are a thing of the past anyway, width comes from inside forwards or wing backs these days. Wingers by there nature give away the ball too often. Also if you look at our forward players(Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa) and none of them are at their best winning headers, they would all prefer the ball on the deck rather than whipped in high. So wingers are not the best way to get the best out of our forwards.

Shappy

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23 Sep 2012 21:20:44
After today's performance I hope the boss gives the likes of Anderson, Buttner, Cleverley and Powell a chance to show what they can do on the league cup v Newcastle and then the league match against Spurs. Like it or not the team needs freshened up. These players plus the returning Vidic and Rooney can help us dominate games again. Just my opinion.

An Dun Red Devil

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Rooney and Young will make a difference to our attack. Smalling and Vidic returning will sort out our back four and with Rooney returning Kagawa may move back into midfield as an attacking midfielder. I expect to see a lot more of Buttner now the Liverpool game is over. I do see him playing 20+ games more this season.

Sydney!

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Fergie said fletch was going to start the newcastle game..

if this is the case where does that leave clevs & ando ??

unless he starts the 3 together.......

would be good to see that happen and for clevs and ando to have a stormer.....

he may then play the 2 infront of carrick, or just the 2 of them

oxred

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____________DDG
Vermijl__Carrick__Evans__Buttner
___Clevers__Fletch__Anders
L.Nani_____Hernandez_____Welbz

Powell / Henriquez / Petrucci / Tunnicliffe / Rooney

There's plenty that could play and would play if it wasn't such a decent team we were playing.

Sydney!

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Syd much rather give Wooton a game than waste Carrick at the back and I would play Brady before Nani
ARB

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ARB, we are playing Newcastle United, not Newcastle Town. We will need to play a decent line-up and Nani needs games. Sadly in the last two seasons we have been unlucky in the cups by drawing EPL clubs early on and it means the youth will not get a decent run-out.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 21:11:02
I'm off now. I've got a bitter sweet taste in my mouth. Away to hit my Manc bro a kick in the plums.

Speak to you soon, when I've calmed down.

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Wont ask what you have been sucking blair......

but the better team on the day lost, but that is football...

still can not understand our tatics and game plan but just pray that once everyone is fit it will work itself out...

we will see

oxred

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23 Sep 2012 21:02:13
Ed any truth in the Viktor Fischer rumours i.e. is a January move likely? {Ed004's Note - not sure}

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I certainly hope we follow up our interest in Fischer. Him and Henriquez would be a very exciting U21 partnership. Add Will Keane to the attack and it's pretty impressive.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 20:58:33
IMO our best team providing players are fully fit would be:

De Gea
Rafael Smalling Vidic Evra/ Buttner
Carrick Anderson
Valencia Kagawa Rooney
RVP
IMO Anderson is very underrated, he puts in his shift and strong on the ball, only seen Buttner once, looked good but not 100% sure on him yet, and when you have Rooney, Kagawa and RVP as an interchanging 3, anything can happen. any thoughts and feelings are welcome.

Jake F

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23 Sep 2012 20:55:05
You fans are too harsh on Nani, you're all the first to point out what he does bad, but never praise when he plays well. You are all stubborn, and need to realise that he is not Ronaldo, will never be Ronaldo, and will never be as good as Ronaldo, Nani is his own player, no-one praises him when he does something great, but one thing wrong and he should be sold, whether he is good enough or not is not for you to say, and also if you are a true fan you should be cheering on your players and encouraging them to play better, instead of denting their confidence.

Jake F

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Last good game Nani had was Everton 4-4. You're not another Percy are you Jake?

G.A.G.U.S

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One right does not make up for about 6 wrongs.

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He is just lacking confidence right now, I think him knowing that he was going to get sold has made him give up.

-JakeW

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Its Nani who needs to realise hes not Ronaldo no one else

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23 Sep 2012 20:41:23
Seriously, Nick Powell in midfield would've done a far better job than Giggs today. Don't tell me he's not ready. Don't tell me he's only 18. He could be the answer. At least for now.

G.A.G.U.S

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I disagree but i think petrucci would have.

Mick

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We were saying the same thing last year regarding Pogba.....

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Start Petrucci and Powell on Wednesday and we'll see an improvement I'm sure.

G.A.G.U.S

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Cleverley, Carrick & Anderson would have been my choice for midfield. Valencia, Van Persie & Kagawa as the front three.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 20:42:30
What do you guys think is the solution to the midfield being dominated and outplayed by every team so far this season. Take Giggs and scholes out of the equation and in central midfield we're left with Carrick, fletcher, Anderson, cleverley, Powell as the main contenders.

Fergie seems to see Carrick as his mainstay in the midfield. If fully fit and ble then fletcher will be in there with Carrick or instead. Powell is unproven while Anderson and cleverly started well last year before injuries again stopped their progress. I'm looking forward to the Newcastle game as I'm hoping fletcher, Anderson and cleverly all get game time.

Rooney should be back in the mix in the next week, play him behind RVP and shove Kagawa to the left. Has to be better than nani at the moment.

Once fergie picks a balanced settled side things hopefully will improve on the playing sides but credit to the team for grinding out results like champions! C'mon united!

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23 Sep 2012 20:41:32
Ok my thoughts on the game are as goes,
I thought we were as bad as i can remember us being in the 1st half and it was a good job Shelvey came out over pumped up(reminds me pf mascherno a few years back), AF must of gave them a rocket at half time, after we went behind we passed it a lot better and took a hold of the game make our 11 men count.
I was very impressed with how Rafeal played all game i thought he was brilliant all game and carrick stepped it up a lot more in 2nd half which is good to see. What make me laugh is all the liverpool fans saying how they should of had a pen when suarez dived then go on to say how our pen was never a pen, i think the ref got all the decions spot on!
Nani was awful again and time is running out, although lindegaard didn't have much to do evertime i see him concede i cant help thinking DDG would save them.
But overall im happy we went to our most hated rivals and our toughest game mentialy

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23 Sep 2012 20:38:04
A question to ed004 - If you were in charge of the club, who would you bring in and get rid of this January and Summer? Realistically what do you see as being possible?

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - It depends on a number of things. If Anderson or Cleverley step up, if Kagawa could replace Nani out wide. If Rooney could get into shape. If Buttner could make the left back his own. However, at this moment in time I am hoping Rooney comes back fit and fighting and Kagawa can adapt in playing out wide. He seemed to play there at one stage today. I think Nani is a goner and I would like to see a creative player brought into replace him. Someone like isco or ideally Ozil who I talked about a lot during the summer. Now I feel midfield needs a revamping with Carrick, Anderson, and Cleverley being squad players. One defensive minded player and one creative midfielder such as Wanyama and a play maker like Moutinho. Then if Buttner doesn't make left back his own Baines or Izaguirre. Preferably Baines. So Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Nani out and Baines/Izaguirre, Wanyama, Moutinho and isco/Ozil}

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Very interesting reply ed, do you see Fabio cutting it here? I agree that we should get rid of Nani for Isco and that we also need a couple of midfielders. Not seen Wanyama much, but Moutinho or Eriksen would go down a treat.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - I think Fabio should become his brothers understudy tbh. Fabio was terrific there vs Barcelona a few seasons ago. With Buttner and Baines competing on the left. Maybe M'Vila in midfield and Eriksen would be a terrific buy. Would probably prefer Ozil but I couldn't see signing isco as cover being out of the question}

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For me, I'd like to see technic gifted players come in. Isco, Eriksen, Baines would be a good start. Fabio being back up right back is an excellent idea though ed.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - think we need a strong man in midfield who offers more defensively}

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23 Sep 2012 20:32:42
Lots of people are understandably critiquing SAF's team selection.
But I think that he probably felt that on such a potentially incendery day, that he should play some of his oldest experienced and coolest players. Putting caution first - don't particularly agree with that but I can understand it

Well done to the lads and the fans

Mike

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23 Sep 2012 20:24:20
Had to wait for all the comments dissing nani to be posted so my post woudnt get lost in the middle of them. Firstly yes nani had another poor game but not because he's a bad player he's just not on form. The big problem with nani that I noticed is that he is playing on the wrong flank. 12-18 months ago when he was playing his best football and scoring plenty of goals and providing assists was when he was playing on the right side. This was the same time valencia was injured or coming back from injury. But to because valencia isnt flexible nani had to be moved to the left side the same side he used to play when ronaldo was around and where he continuously had no end product and only started playing well when valencia got injured and played on the right.

So which is of more benefit playing nani or valencia, i would love to see if someone could give us nani's stats when playing on the right compared to the left.
because before this season from the right he scored 10 goals last season and the season before which is amazing for a winger.
Nani isn't a bad player, hes just a "different", and is off form and playing out of his best position. Also he offers another dimension to our very predictable play, i think from the right hes a much better crosser than valencia as he can actually pick where he wants the ball to go while valencia dinks it in the same place.

Also on another note does any1 else find it worrying that were becoming very predictable alot of people predicted that both evra and giggs would play, which is making us very easy to handle that why i feel alot of our games r becoming boring and we need to grind more results.

sulei

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23 Sep 2012 20:11:46
A fortunate win against the poorest Liverpool team I've ever seen. Even when, justifiably, down to ten men we couldn't dominate them and with a less favourable referee we could well have lost.
The problem, as usual, was being overrun in midfield. Scholes and Giggs looked their age and Carrick will never be a dominant force. As happens in most big games Nani disappeared.
We have to strengthen our middle in January. The key is not to replace Paul Scholes but to try to replace Roy Keane. Strootman perhaps but in the meantime we really need to give Phil Jones, when fit, an extended run as a midfield enforcer. If he came off then perhaps we wouldn't need to buy.

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23 Sep 2012 19:59:28
If it is true... and that the Utd fans did sing at the end of the game that is truly awful. If you were one of them and reading this, you are an embarrassment to the club and give the rest of us fans a bad name when we do nothing wrong. I hope whoever is caught singing the songs should be banned from buying tickets to watch Utd play home and away. The sooner these person are kicked out of the club the better

RedKnight

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They responded to being goaded by a couple of scouse muppets doing aeroplane gestures. They should not have responded and I am sure it was the minority but united fans didn't sing anything about hillsborough until goaded about Munich.

I was proud of the fans today and for me sky are making a big deal of things to cause trouble. Both sets of fans were fantastic and we cannot let the behaviour or one or two total muppets let us forget that.

JFT96
GDS

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23 Sep 2012 19:40:42
How good does Wilson in our under 18's look going to be a great player! Daehli and pereria are going to be greats too!

Caolán.

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Januzaj, Barmby & Pearson aren't bad either.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 19:37:47
A very fortunate win however there is little doubt why? Watching chity and the arse they are both strong in midfield, we are not, we are short of a dynamic ball winning midfielder. I believe the majority will agree Nani let us down again and should be dropped and sold in Jan. Raphael played well as did our cd's. DDG must have burnt a Scottish flag cause I cannot understand why he is not between the posts. The good news, we can only improve and I firmly believe Alex is pissed with that pathetic performance and will take action. The cup game will give some of the fringe players the chance to stake a claim.

A man united!

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23 Sep 2012 19:34:35
We have no passion in our game! The current football of Man Utd can't make any "normal" person fall in love or find football passionate!

Yes, we won!

If we want to get the best of Kagawa, he has to play alongside good players, players that can tackle and destroy other teams plays, because he's forced to run behind the opposition to much and gets tired to fast.
We must keep him fresh and protect him, this is the best and maybe the only way to get the best of him.

GIGGS must RETIRE, he's a legend, but HE is DONE!

In order to build a future for United we must let Scholes, Giggs, Evra, Nani and maybe few others go.

SAF is a great manager, maybe the greatest but I think that is still in the past and will not get fresh ideas at this time of his career.

Our football is disgusting, slow, poor...

The penalty today was very harsh as the Red card, once again we were luck.

Nick86

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23 Sep 2012 19:30:34
Reflecting on today there has to be a serious underlying issue given the way we are playing and the teams that are being selected. Today we were outplayed even when they were down to 10 men. Credit to Liverpool they were the better team. I believe if they had kept 11 men on the pitch we would have lost.

The question that vexed me at the end of the game was why are Manchester United, who claim to be aiming to win the League and Champions League, starting a very difficult away game at our fiercest rivals with a 38 year old left winger in central midfield? Then I found I finished the game with a few questions. Why is the core of our team now aged over 31 and still relying on a 37 year old coaxed out of retirement? Why are we playing with two wingers, one of whom Nani is not fit to wear the shirt? How can a manager who is acknowledged as a great, play a style that the great Keane and Scholes at their peak would have struggled with and now he is trying to do it with a slow 31 year old and 38 year old Giggs? When we go to Liverpool we always struggle with their midfield so why did our manager select what he did? How can we be 5 games into a season with that central midfield? What were we doing in the transfer market these last 3 years? What did SAF tell Gill his plan was? Why build Cleverley up then play a 38 year old? What is SAFs problem with DDG because to me he is the better keeper? Why is somebody not coaching Rafael not to dive in, stay goal side and on his feet? Who keeps selecting Nani when it has been obvious how poor he is? Was Vidic rested , seriously?

Today we lacked pace in our play, only Valencia and Rafael showed anything. However, look at the ages of the team Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, how can we carry 5 players at this level? Only Carrick should have a chance but why haven't we retired the great servants? Which other premier league team rely on two players nearly 40?

I also don't see the passion from SAF at the side of the pitch that I used to, his number two doesnt seem to change anything. SAF is going to ruin Kagawa and RVP because they get no support from that midfield.

Is this poor perormance, shocking tactics and team selection a sign the team know this is SAFs final season and SAF can't bring himself to clear out players who have served him for so long? There is little else to explain what we are seeing. We got out of Jail both last Wednesday and today, we will catch a cold and that midfield will not win us the two big prizes. It is three years since SAF recognised the problem after Barcelona dismantled us and the answer is Carrick and Giggs, really?

Red Man

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Indeed mate there are a fair few questions to be answered throughout the team.

The CM is an area I have tried to highlight since I have posted on this site. With the continued playing of non natural CMers in the middle against most teams who play 3 in the middle against us we will not dominate a game again. We can't even pair 2 younger players together who could try and combat the lack of mobility we have currently.

IMO we needed 2 new CMers this summer and we got none. So with Fletches return SAF seems content that we can match up v Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Juve etc never mind Chelsea, city or arsenal. This same midfield that was owned by teams like newcastle, Blackpool, Swansea, west brom, amongst others at their level over the last 2 years. It's mind boggling what he can think will happen?

We are seeing more and more that our opposition are setting up with 3 man midfields yet we continue with our old, slow, immobile CM that can't keep the ball. Watching arsenal v city showed that a few good signings (arteta, Ramsey, diaby) added to a top link man (cazorla) and they can play some cracking 1 touch play and pass through the city midfield that contained top players in toure and Garcia.

I can't even imagine us trying that without going backwards!

We are a struggling team that despite our current position have looked very average and every continued performance is doing nothing in my mind to convince me we are getting any better!

I would gladly spend all our transfer money next season on 2-3 CMers to give the team a massive boost of fresh blood and talent but can I see it happen? Haha no chance!

Jono

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23 Sep 2012 19:29:38
well done man Utd

you seem to have a knack of winning games, falling over the line. not going into whether ref got it right or not, 38 games in the season so win some loose some.

it is clear we will not get top 4 this season and that was not based on watching at anfield but watching arsenal, think they will be there. top three i think everybody acepts who they will be.
not having a dig but on this performance you will not be near title this season.

B O H

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Does B O H stand for Bitter Old Hipopotomus?!

We will be very very close to the title, I think we can win it when we start to play properly. As I have posted on here already, Rodger's 2 year plan for the title is taking shape nicely.

DodgyBanter

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23 Sep 2012 18:51:35
Brendon Rodgers 2 year plan to win the title is working perfectly, year 1 achieve relegation from the premier league. Year 2, win the Championship. It seems next year could actually finally be their year!

DodgyBanter

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23 Sep 2012 18:45:02
The little boy in RVP must have thought "so this is what it's like to have the ref in your back pocket."
It's getting so blatant now it's pathetic. Busquets must be proud tho, as well as the British Olympic Diving team. Karma is a b!tch tho, and you lot will get yours.
Ezdee

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I can't understand this. It was a penalty. It was a red card. What's the problem?

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Sep 2012 18:35:14
Saf said he was disappointed with our play and Liverpool dominated us until sending off.
With respect saf what the hell did u expect from your team selection?
When are we going to get a decent midfield? Running out of excuses saf.

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! Who the hell do you think you are pal!?
Seriously go get your coaching badges and show the world how it should be done and how you will surpass Saf trophy collection .person.

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23 Sep 2012 18:33:59
Let me just say right from the start please lets not start a who threw the first stone discussion. Let me just say that the chanting after the game by some of the United supporters was uncalled for unjustified and did nothing but bring shame on the name Manchester United. Those people didn't realise today wasn't about Liverpool FC or its supporters it was about showing respect to the families of those 96 victims. I don't want to hear excuses there are none. I am not here to apologise for them because I have no connection with any persons who would disgrace this club today. I AM KLOOT

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Which disgrace hit disagree :(

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23 Sep 2012 18:32:14
Dear Blair you never answered me when I asked you why we always finish ahead of Liverpool, care to answer? And don't say fluky or lucky or decisions from refs.

Caolán.

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Because you've accumulated more points than us. Points mean prizes.

Happy now?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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But Blair, if United are a terrible terrible team, what are Liverpool?

G.A.G.U.S

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We are a family, we are an institution, we are Liverpool, GUGAS mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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No your $h*t.

-JakeW

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Yes I saw yesterday. The REAL rubbish

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23 Sep 2012 18:26:49
I think we need a certain Wayne Rooney to come back and get us back on track.I think Rooney is vital for us to start dominating games.Hope we will have him against Tottenham next week.Didn't think we deserved anything to be honest, although imo it WAS a red card and probably soft but arguably a penalty!

kdevil10

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23 Sep 2012 18:14:19
Good result but we were woeful in our play and tactics. How long is this going to go on for? We seem lethargic and slow in our play.
Come on saf this is pathetic.
NoMidfield

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23 Sep 2012 18:10:51
RvP got the ball, big difference. 

Penalty was soft, but still arguably a penalty.

Don't you think your team should have done better today? We were awful.

Sydney!
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We couldn't have done anymore Disney. We were by far the better team. Even when we went down to 10 men, we were still the better team. When you play 10 men against 12 it's always going to be difficult to get a result.

You were awful because we outplayed you in every department. Take a look at your own team and ask yourself. How could we be so awful and so outplayed by 10 men and with a little help from the ref.

I'm very happy with our performance, can you say the same?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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No I can't say the same, like I said we were awful today. Worst I have seen us play for sometime, we just didn't turn up today. Yet it just showed how poor you were that you couldn't take advantage of it.

Ten points and counting.

Sydney!

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At the end of the season when your 10th will you be saying oh at least we played well? no. Winners win, that's what is important.

Anon

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And the end of the day, things arent that bad for liverpool, if you turn the table upside down ,liverpool are still turd in the table, i mean third
DJ

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I'm very happy with our league position Blair M1nge, can you say the same?

DodgyBanter

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Blair......we won!

G.A.G.U.S

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No obviously we cant say we were happy with our performance! But we won a game we shouldnt have! I personally think shelvey and evans both should have gone! Shelveky needs to have a hard look at himself with what was said to rio n fergie. Disgusting lil man! I think valencia looked for the foul but if you watch the game back everytime johnson went down he looked for it. For me considering evra got caught out of position and just useles tackles time and again im happy with how the other 3 at the back played! Liverpool need a goalscorer to play like they did 1st half n not be leading is your own faults but now its the refs fault!red dev

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Happier with our position than yours, regardless of performance - if the result was reversed you'd be on here crowing about turning points, watersheds blah blah blah

N.I. Devil

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U played your best and still lost

Ross

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I'm sorry Blair but Manchester United will always grind out results when playing poorly! You don't want 10 men then tell that headless bald chicken shelvey not to leave the floor!!!
We haven't played well yet this season and are second in the league. You've played we'll today but are 18th without a win.
Concentrate on your season objective of 10th.
Q

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Lmao, you are going to be relegated and yet you come to this page to spout that kind of rubbish, just get lost Blair, you've nothing to say and you're saying it too often now jog on and support Everton cos they're the best team on merseyside by a mile.

Flimbo

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You were awful because we were fantastic and made you look awful. Why can't you just admit, the best 10 men against 12 lost.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Manchester United will always grind out results that's what you do. With a little help from referees, which can't be ignored.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Blaire give it a rest. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize everyone here is pissed with the way we played. However we won and the red card and the penalty were both the right decisions. Get over it and worry about your next game and we will worry about ours. Shahram

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Liverpool were far from fantastic Blur, if we had played like we did against someone like Chelsea or City they would have had a field day. You were the better of two disappointing teams.

Sydney!

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Blair Muppet

As fantastic as Liverpool played(your words) it still doesn't change the fact you are 3rd from bottom(the relegation zone).

We were awful today -but as you said earlier "points win prizes"

Marky Mark

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Blair, I would worry about your own club. You have a wafer thin squad and you are very short of quality. Add that to Agger's and Kelly's long-term injuries you are looking thin at the back. With Borini out for a couple weeks and Jonjo banned for the WBA game midweek and having to rest Gerrard & Suarez for the league games you are going to be up against it at WBA. An injury to Suarez or/and Gerrard and you are f***ed. I seriously see you finishing mid-table. You say you have played three of the top four in your five games, well all of them games were at home, you need to be winning your home games no matter who it's against.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 18:04:55
Where to start? lol I really have no idea what positives you can take from that game other than the 3 points. Let's start in goal what on Earth must De Gea do to be number one? Poor kids confidence must be shattered I honestly believe he would have saved Gerrards' goal. I really can't slate Evra we have been saying all week that if Evra played Sterling would destroy him. So how the best manager ever could not see that was going to happen is beyond me. I thought Ferdinand was ok a few shaky moments but stood his ground and put in some good tackles on Suarez but his distribution was poor. Evans did his job thought he could have closed down Gerrard faster when he scored. Rafael was always looking to get forward and scored a great goal likes but to dive into tackles making him easier to beat. Valencia was less than spectacular but his work rate and desire to win the ball got us the penalty. Carrick was very very slow played a few passes forward but really his offensive play is really poor. Giggs shouldn't have started maybe come off the bench in the last 10 minutes for experience but not the whole game. Nani.... got subbed at halftime says it all. For the first time Kagawa was a little loose in possession not sure if it was the occasion or just a one-off. RVP was always going to struggle when the rest of the team was just not there to support him. Showed great composure to wait all that time and still score the penalty. Hernandez looks to have been working on his first touch seems to have improved a lot. Scholes needs a rest there is no reason for him to play 3 times in a week. We made a very average Liverpool team look better than they really are and that's a shame. Something has to change maybe we need another humiliating defeat for things to happen. Still happy with the 3 points but pathetic performance.

Darren-Bermuda

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23 Sep 2012 18:02:06
{Ed002's Note - Blair, Syd, GAGUS - you all need to play nice or we won't let you play at all.}

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Fair enough Ed.

G.A.G.U.S

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23 Sep 2012 17:59:10
Well that was a shocking performance, a special thank you goes out to a mr Mark Halsey who imo won us the game.

I think all the Liverpool lads can feel hard done by after that game.

Evra was roasted time after time by a 17yo.

Giggs again showed why he shouldn't play in the centre.

Nani was hopeless.

RVP needs more support and better supply, he doesn't need crosses but through balls instead.

Rio is giving the ball away too much.

Liverpool hardly hit a cross all game, and Lindegaard didn't once come and collect a ball from high in the air. Personally i feel DDG would have got down to Gerrards goal and probably saved it. I also think DDG would have helped us spring more counter attacks with his distribution.

Rafael scored a wonderful goal but should have been better placed to cut out the cross that resulted in Liverpool scoring. But other than that i thought he was our best player.

Our tactic's were woefully wrong in the first half, thus why we chucked Scholes on at half time.

Kagawa was always going to find this game hard with the tactic's we employed. He needs bodies around him to pick out and play one two's with. He was very isolated with the deep midfield we had.

Carrick was steady but never excels when asked to play so deep and do all the defensive work. He needs someone along side him who'll also work defensively when needed.

Valencia didn't play badly but didn't set the world alight. He seems to be stuggling with something atm. I read an interview with Alan Smith the other day and he mentioned something interesting, he thinks Valencia has changed his running style since his injury. He said after his ankel break he had 70% less movement due to the operation or he could suffer a relapse. Maybe this is why Valencia isn't as explosive as he was a few seasons ago.

But we some how got the points and kept Liverpool in the relegation zone. Also from what i heard over the TV there didn't seem to be any foul chanting, although i don't know what people heard who were actually there.

So a tricky game got though and three more points. Lets hope lessions were learnt and we can move on and grow and improve this season. As there are much tougher games ahead if we have asperations of winning things this year.


Shappy

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Shappy mate, Valencia was 'EXPLOSIVE' last season....he swept all the awards and you say he isnt as explosive as he was few seasons ago.

Yes he has had 2 bad games on the trot but lets hope that he gets back to his normal explosive self.

MUMBAI_BOY

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23 Sep 2012 17:58:10
How many times has nani and evra got 2 have shocking games b4 they get dropped? Buttner looks good so get him in there. RegTheRed

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23 Sep 2012 17:48:00
On completely separate subject for those of you watching the Arsenal/City game, I think we missed on signing a great player who has Paul Scholes like passing quality but with pace and an engine. Corzola

Shahram

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Signed kagawa instead!

Caolán.

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Cazorla became available after we signed Kagawa.

Sydney!

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Caol They are completely different type of players. Corzola is has a fantastic passing range and control and influence on the game and can physically hold his own in this league, kagawa gets pushed around and physically not there yet. Shahram

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Cazorla is looking to be the best midfielder in the league this season, his passing/control of the game is excellent, but he also has the no. 10 instinct in him. Fabulous player. Kagawa is 4 years younger though, so hopefully he'll get to that level!

MelonRed

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23 Sep 2012 17:27:35
how long does it take sir alex to realize manutd team is not good enough especial in the midfield? omg that was very hard 90mn to watch. the same story every day from sir alex,team performance wasn't good enough,then next game its worst than the first one. we need a playmaker and holding midfielder ASAP.
FERDCOAST

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I think we have enough playmakers(Carrick, Cleverley and Kagawa), but we desperately need a holding midfielder to cover our wing backs and a high energy Box to box midfileder to add movement and drive to our midfield. Sandro and Hector Herrera would be good and attainable.

Shappy

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23 Sep 2012 17:14:17
1. Game after game, I learned that I need to lower the bar or expectations this season to avoid getting sick from watching those games.

2. From game to game, after the line up of this game came out, I realized that "the coaching department" were either have no idea how to cure the long lasting tactical problem or they just believed in themselves so well. They will never change. Imagine if Kagawa, RVP, Raphel were in ManC, Arsenal or Chelsea, how brilliant will they shine for those team.

3. Luck will eventually run out. And then the judgement(punishment) day will come. At that situation, somebody gonna get sack and you won't be surprise for that.

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23 Sep 2012 16:47:53
Just a few weeks ago I brought you a bit of information about Sir Alex being unhappy with DDG and I was absolutely slaughtered for it. Since then he has only played him in one game. As I said at the time the info was 100% reliable. I think that most of us thought that if either Giggs or Scholes were involved in the midfield as they were against City then we would get over run and so it was we were holding on against Ten men. It was a shocking performance against a bottom of the table team. The only other thing we learned from today is that Cheats don't always prosper Louis Suarez you know what you are..... I AM KLOOT

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23 Sep 2012 16:33:53
This Arsenal team is the team to beat. They have so much flair and strength as a team. And I can't wait to see us playing against them, to see where our midfield is. Would be good test.

Red Samurai

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Well with our performance like today, I can see a scoreline like 8-2

SHAITAN

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Yep, they have been all over city. incredible pace,passing and link up play, kind of like us 4 or 5 years ago. They will murder our midfield unless anderson,cleverly get a good run of games and form.

Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 16:17:29
Will prob get slated for this but dont care. SAF needs to go. Plan A is not working and there is no plan B. Yes he has brought great success to the club but so what. I am a United supporter not a SAF supporter. No player is bigger than the team and neither is the manager. This new barca style system he is trying to play is a joke. Barca have the players to do this system and the spanish ones learn this style from an early age. When are we going to get back to the cut and thrust football which won so much. Boring Boring United.

Norn Iron

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SAF is retiring at the end of this season anyway according to Dave Whelan

Winston

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This is abit of an ignorant post. He has created the Manchester United team that you support so much, he took us from also rans to THE team in England. I think he needs someone with a strong tactical knowledge alongside him as this has always been his weakness. I think there maybe one to many yes men at the club and i think we would benefit form a shake up of coaching personal at the club. The training appears to be too much physical based and not enough tactical awearness being taught. This might also explain the number of injuries we keep picking up as the players seem over worked which puts their bodies at higher risk of injuries.

Shappy

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I won't slate u. I've been saying for two years that Ferguson should go. He has lost the plot. Bring a young manager like mourinho or pep and sack all the coaching staff for the first team as they are all useless.

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I hope he does and I respect the man for everything he has done for the club but the reality is we have spent 90 million over the last 2 summers and look worse for it and every team seems to give us a run for our money. I think our scouting and buying has been poor for a longtime and the youth program has is not producing enough first team united quality players. Giuardola would be my first choice. Shahram

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In reply to you Shappy my post is in no way an ignorant one. I said he has brought us great success but the quality of our squad and performances have been well below par not just this season but the last 2. People dont become United fans just because they win everything. I should know. They become United fans for the exciting football that used to be played. Now we are a one dimensional side with a serious lack of creativity. Watching the game today it is obvious the players on the pitch dont even know what they should be doing in terms of tactics. There is no spirit and no fight in the side. We have a squad but by no means a team. I say give the young lads a chance. Look at Buttner when he debuted. He was hungry and energetic. Same today Rafael was the only United player with hunger. What is the point of buying youth when at one stage we had a 29 year old and 4 players over the age of 30. Get the young ones on in the next game and take the leash off.

Norn Iron.

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23 Sep 2012 16:14:41
Lots of team selections are posted on here prior to. Games but I realised today that the odd different player here of there won't make a difference. Too many players are playing poorly, giving the ball away, lacking energy, struggling to break teams down. It won't matter if we play 442, 451, or 4411 or any other combination if players can't make a simple pass to a teammate. There's something very troubling at the moment, it doesn't seem like the usual solid 'team' environment that ur success has been built on. People pick on individual players who have had a bad game...but you could pick quite a few. There is a general malaise that needs sorting out.

AJH

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23 Sep 2012 16:11:22
(Banter Please ED)

Just a mention on the game and next summer.

i honestly don't think it matters who we have on the pitch we will still play the same old boring football and the defenders will still be too deep, the management team really needs to be looked at, this is happening too often and if the coaches can't see this then are they good enough for the job?

i love SAF but for the last 3 years we have played the most boring football ever..

we choose to play wingbacks and wingers... where is the sense in that? one or the other!
The game has moved on and wingers are no long required due to the wingbacks.

i really feel for kagawa because he has came from a good passing positive Dortmund team to a negative boring united team.

i think it's time for Guardiola to take over and bring something new to this team.
next summer we need (IMO) to sell nani, bebe, let giggs and scholes retire. (we can't rely on them for ever)

OUTS:
giggs
scholes
nani
bebe
anderson

INS:

Ozil
CDM x2 (tiote, asamoah, vidal, m'villa, khedera.)
and a few youngsters.

id line up like this:

____________de gea____________
rafael_____vidic__ferdy_____buttner
__________CDM__CDM___________
____Ozil_____rooney_____kags____
_____________RVP______________

this leaves us with a very strong bench.
It also means we can change our style when we need to in different games.

I know we don't have a second teram but if we did it would be very strong.

lindegaard
jones smalling evans fabio/evra
valencia carrick cleverley young
hernandez welbeck


I also think that powell should go on loan for half/full season to get experience of playing week in week out, maybe to swansea?

sorry for the long post and hope i made sense..

JK92

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The only thing we learned from netherland's 2012 euro campain is that 2 defensive midfielder dont work. You need a playmaker , a pace setter for the central midfield. But you definetly need 1 box to box/cdm

Mick

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Mick I agree someway. I actually think we need 2 playmakers with pace, technical and passing ability. The reason we get overrun is our midfield is slow, small and when they are pressed they give the ball away. Scholes is great if you give him space and time but can look poor when someone sticks to him as he has lost that quickness of tester years. Shahram

Time to drop wingers and buy guys who can control the middle of the pitch and retain possession.

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I posted a very similar team the other day but feel you need one DM, one playmaker. My choices would be M'Vila and Moutinho or Cabaye. Maybe Baines at left back as I rate him highly. His crossing and attacking is phenomenal and he is solid at the back. His link up play with peinaar is great and I feel he could form a partnership like that with Kagawa.
The Red Manc

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Red Manc
I will take a Moutinho and a Fabergas/ozil type player. We would be scary good and yes we need a new LB. Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 16:07:39
Stop the bitters love in shelvey was moronic the pen was a pen scouters and their whining we were robbed ,the ref done us Jesus get a grip

Pardoe

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23 Sep 2012 16:04:57
For all you people who are saying sir Alex got his team selection wrong, hang you heads in shame. It took a lot of balls to draft in Mark Halsey at a late stage, but I totally agree with that, save Phil Dowd for city away. Mr Halsey was without doubt man of the match today.

Parkie mufc

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The thing is I think he got every decision completely right. A stupid moment from Shelvey lost Liverpool the game really, its not Halseys fault that he must then give a decision that so favours United.

Welsh Dragon

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23 Sep 2012 16:01:21
That was a disgusting match... we in all honsty should have lost.
Well done scholes,carrick, rio and rafael for that performance
the ref was pathetic, but in the end i would take the 3 points
p.s how is lindegaard still the danish no 3? sorenson isnt half as good as him!
DJ

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23 Sep 2012 15:51:46
We didnt deserve any point but we got all 3. Now we have to thank our luck for that. We were unable to retain possession, normal when ryan giggs is in a midfield 2. The red card shouldnt have been a straight red, but it was jono's 2nd foul ( the first one beeing on rafael ) and he was already warned. So it was a 50/50 ( yellow/red ) . But that doesnt mean jono had the right to take a go at saf. Absolutely disgusting, and brought shame to his team.
Antonio's penalty was a penalty. if you watch the commentary you can see that while antonio was running his right ankle touched johnson's who was running from behing so he lost control and was falling before the sliding tackle, so the foul wasnt in the tackle but it was a foul .
i was mostly shoked by the decision to leave ando and cleverley on the bench in a game in which we need lots of energy to match liverpools' so it was really weird seeing giggs. And when scholes came on giggs should have gone off and replaced by anderson who would take the left side of the midfield and add some energy and creativity.
And worst of all, it looks like the world aint all sunshine and rainbow, and kagawa is not the messiah of our attacking play ( at least not just yet ), and he needs to buff and gain some muscles because he get knocked off the ball too easily.
On another note i couldnt beleive the pace of valencia when he sprinted to get the ball. His full speed is truely unbeleivable considering his size and musculature.

Mick

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So sprinters arent heavily muscled then.
Norn Iron

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I don't think Kagawa should buff up at all, a huge part of his game his his agility, he would lose some of that if he bulked up.

If we want to get the best out of Kagawa then we need to play to his strengths. He needs bodies around him, his vision and speed of exercution will undo any team. But he needs players around him giving him options and movement. He plays one two's better than anyone in the modern game so we need to take advantage of that.

Shappy

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Theres a difference between beeing 5'8, be built like a tank and have shoulders the size of a bodybuilder, and beeing 6'4 slim and toned and practice sprinting all your life.

Mick

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Theres no reason why he cant gain some muscles shapps. Look at nani for example, he is extremly muscular just not too big. Theres a difference between beeing ripped ( muscles ) and guetting big. Look at messi for example, he still has agility even though he gained some muscle weight. The right training programme can do wonders for him, moderation is key.

Mick

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23 Sep 2012 15:50:07
Firstly well done Liverpool ...they played as well as they could and deserved something from the game.

Secondly we have to admit we were lucky and this win yet again papers over the cracks. We all know that without younger decent midfielders who can boss a match we wont win anything of note.

Back to today though and :

It was def a penalty. Yes he went down easily but Valencias left leg was clearly caught and we all seem to forget the speed at which these guys play at means that any contact invariably unbalances them. A foul is a foul.

Similarly it was def a red card. Harsh perhaps according to football of yesteryear but this is 2012 and the rules are clear and there for one reason only..to prevent a player receiving a career threatening injury. Both feet were off the ground and studs showing. It was reckless. Am pretty sure Shelvey meant no harm but he was reckless all the same.

It DID ruin Liverpools chances and handed us the win.

In the greater scheme of things from what I saw the fans behaviour was excellent on both sides so more importantly the football family won today

Respect To Liverpool and the 96 and their families.

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23 Sep 2012 15:47:11
we really showed some scouse spirit there and robbed those 3 points =)

JK92

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23 Sep 2012 15:43:36
Wow. Liverpool were first to every ball. We looked scared. We mugged them. Good result but poor poor performance. Once again midfield was lost till Scholes came on. Kuala.

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23 Sep 2012 15:38:51
Is it just me but I think for the last few seasons we have barely any fight in us? Everything is far too sloppy and casual. Players looked miserable on the pitch today and really didn't look to get suck in IMO and the Evans incident was the only bit of fire from us in the game. Carrick was outstanding again and honestly I think he could be pushed further up the pitch in Scholes' position when he retires if a new CM is not brought. Carrick was our best player IMO.
NANI WAS ABSOLUTE PISS POOR! God I cant wait til Rooney is back and then hopefully he can be on the bench and Kagawa will be played on the left. I would put Welbeck ahead of Nani even on the left side.

Dan

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It is not an issue of players not wanting to fight, The whole set up and tactics is not right and then add the personnel we currently have and it just makes us look poor.

We seem to always play in a very cramped/slow style with no free flowing movement and nowhere to go when going forward.

Watching Arsenal now and they are great to watch and their style of play and the spacing is very good. City getting outplayed at the moment. Corzola is the best buy of the season for the money spent. Aguero is pure class. Gervinho having a howler

Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 15:38:49
Well that was awful again! Can anyone remember when we last played well? We could barely pass the ball in the first half, we looked so off the pace. There is definitely something not right at the minute with our confidence. Thanks Jon-Jo you loon.

Still a win is a win.

Nani has ran out of chances now I think. Rafael, Evans and Rio looked good, and it is nice having two quality keepers to choose from. Kagawa failed to impress again and RVP didn't look like he was interested. I hope we get things sorted ASAP as Liverpool looked like they were battering us until the sending off and they have hardly looked like world beaters this season.

I'm a bit worried about our performances.

Sween

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You're right, something is not right. Too many players look off the pace. There's a lack of pace, energy, and ideas. Not just today, pretty much every game so far.

AJH

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I wonder whether DDG would have saved Gerrard's goal, I didn't think it was unsavable.

DodgyBanter

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23 Sep 2012 15:38:27
Isn't the sharpest defender, but my word the boy can score!

Good ol' Rafael

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23 Sep 2012 15:35:23
Steve mcnaman is the worst commentator ever...he is so biased that he said that shelvey's challenge wasn't worth of deserving even a yellow let alone a red...seriously??are you high??
don;t know why espn has hired him..
always praising liverpool and man city..he is irritating....

PRATEEK

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My thoughts exactly

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Just ignore him. He's a tosser. And bitter.

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23 Sep 2012 15:34:48
really impressed with hernandez lately,his link up play and hold up play has really improved,,,doing nice sensible things with it,,,rvp is going to be a legend,,how gerrard got man of the match?? best thing to happen to evra has been buttner coming in,evras best 2 games in about a year

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This was sarcastic right ?

MUMBAI_BOY

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23 Sep 2012 15:32:47
Absolute f*cking disgrace. It was never a penalty and if Shelvey was sent off. Then so should Evans and RVP walked too. Not blaming you Mancs the ref had a stinker.

Very proud of our 10men and kids.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Shelvey was deserving of the red card..... no doubt about it... RVP's challenge I actually thought was pretty good when I seen it and Evans maybe a yellow..... the penalty was a 50/50 it goes different ways on different days and today was ours. It was a really low quality game for both sides especially us but as people say you have to grind out results to be up there and we manage to do it when most do not.

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I dont think any of our fans can deny u deserved atleast a point. but im not gonna complain. our performance was poor n hopefully with rooney coming back, we take it up a gear.

TRUMORS

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Whatever!

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It is a debatable red card but the only people who think it wasn't a pen are you liverpool fans..

JK92

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RvP got the ball, big difference.

Penalty was soft, but still arguably a penalty.

Don't you think your team should have done better today? We were awful.

Sydney!

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The red was harsh, but that was a penalty.

G.A.G.U.S

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Bleh usual everyone fault but ours ,you are pathetic

Pardoe

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Blair I can understand you being upset but if you calm down and watch the crucial incidents then if they had been for liverpool you would also wanted a penalty and been happy for the sending off. You can rightly be proud of the effort of your team but frankly that was so far from the great liverpool teams of old that it must really hurt supporting them. Alas it seems we United supporters are facing the same decline.

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Shelvey got the ball too. It was a scrappy game but Man United did not desere what they got. It was a soft PK and it should have been a yellow for Shelvey. Yes you all won and congrats but no one can say that the ref had a good game, bias or not he was awful.

Red Rat

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The differance between Shelvey and Evans and RVP is our boys won the ball and Jonjo didn't. So you can argue that our lads were less reckless and more in control. Although i still feel the red was a little harsh, but by the letter of the law it was a red card foul.

The pen again was imo alittle soft but again by the letter of the law it was a pen.

Personally i think Liverpools biggest problem was your lack of ability in our box. You should have scored a hat full but you repeatedly let us of time and time again. If you put just 20% of your chances away against us then you'd have scored 5/6 goals.

We mugged you but thats the mark of a great team, the ability to win even when your the second best team on the day.

Shappy {Ed001's Note - have you read the rules Shappy? Reckless challenge = yellow cards in this season's rulebook. So, by the letter of the law, it was a yellow.}

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23 Sep 2012 15:32:29
A win's a win's a win's a win. But that was genuinely atrocious in every single aspect. Rafael was good, Rio and Evans were good and Carrick wasn't bad. The rest were pathetic. Terrible line up, terrible tactics and terrible substitutions, I just don't see how the management got it that wrong and still managed to win?! Liverpool really are awful, they're the clowns of the premier league.

Percy

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No Percy.... Even as a Man United fan I have to admit Nani is the clown of the Premier League...... Utterly useless.

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Liverpool clowns of the premier league? Funny that, we played you off the park with ten men and thats coming from your very own gary neville... Got to be honest g neville is a grwat pundit even he can admit your rubbishe and shouldnt be where you are

Ian the red

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And what about Nani's performance me old mucker? lol

Shappy

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23 Sep 2012 15:31:59
We were lucky to win and hope this doesn't over shadow the mangers terrible team selection. Giggs in mid, are you kidding me? Cleverly and Anderson sit on the bench, what a joke. Lets face it the manager has lost touch with reality when he continues to make mistakes in the team selection. 3 points is good but that was sad display.

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23 Sep 2012 15:31:54
A win at Anfield is a win at Anfield. Well done lads... Robin Robin Van Persie.. :)

DodgyBanter

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23 Sep 2012 15:30:22
Another two wasted hours. A 45-year habit of watching United is difficult to stop, but SAF is certainly doing his best to help me kick it.

Buck your ideas up SAF, because that was BORING.

DL10

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Agreed. And I've been saying it for two years. Best manager ever but I can't wait for him to retire.

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It's difficult because of what he has done for us but perhaps we do need fresh ideas. We seem to be stuck in a rut and I really don't enjoy watching games any more.

AJH

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No name bet you are a scouser

Pardoe

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23 Sep 2012 15:30:04
how the hell did we do that lol...3 points doesnt cover up the fact we were terrible and very lucky. onwards and upwards as they say. credit to liverpool tho, they played wiv alot ov heart

1991devil

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23 Sep 2012 15:28:43
In anticipation of the streams of whining Liverpool fans.

Yes you deserved to win.
Yes we were really lucky.

But, we have the three points, that's one more than you have all season, and that's why we're second in the league, and you're in the relegation zone. Frankly if you can't beat a United team who play this badly you're in for a really tough year.

Danny Pughnited

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23 Sep 2012 15:28:42
Well we really didn't deserve to win that but I'll take it!
Rafeal, lindgard (spelling) and wspecially carrick (who i thought did his job brilliantly) can hold their heads high cos they carried the other 8

Karllap

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23 Sep 2012 15:18:49
Evra and Nani must go now not even sold just released both are terrible constantly

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23 Sep 2012 15:12:09
No surprise another dive in box gets them a penalty that's 1 out of a thousand they will do this season

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Its such a massive shame that such a so called big club resorts to such underhanded tactics constantly. Last game and then this game
jauganaut

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Biterrrrrrrrrrr!

G.A.G.U.S

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Unlike rooney who never dives does he.

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Bitter?? please blame your own player for making a reckless tackle. It WAS a penalty. More importantly you should be blaming your club for letting Carroll go and not having a replacement signed. Now that is undefensible and probably means your season was ended even before it started

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23 Sep 2012 15:07:34
Our Defence Ferdi and Evans are way too behind. Need to push up. Thats the only way we can make difference in mid and up high. I hate it when our defence has most possessions. Whats with Saf relying too much on Scholes and Giggsy. Yes they r really good but unless you give chance to like of Anderson, Cleverly we will never be able to replace the legend.

Red Samurai

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23 Sep 2012 15:01:01
Ok, ok, ok....that's it for Nani. My eyes have been opened. You've gotta give more than that !

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23 Sep 2012 14:58:04
What is Giggs still doing on the pitch??

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23 Sep 2012 14:54:08
Surely saf must see that Giggs needs to come off. I don't get it. Why have power,cleverly,anderson on the bench, f.... Pathetic. Fed up with our approach

Shahram

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I agree....but stop calling me Shirley.


StevieK

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Good banter StevieK ;)

Tetrahydro

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23 Sep 2012 14:39:48
And they said Rafael wouldnt be a Top 4 player...

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I have always said he will be one the best right backs in the world within the next 24 months time frame. People tend to forget that he is so so young for a defender and really this is the first year he is getting a consistent run in the team. He will be very good.Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 14:35:26
im actually glad they've scored,hopefully it'll give us the kick up the ass we need,pathetic display,they should be ashamed.

phil

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23 Sep 2012 14:33:10
Now they have one less in midfield this is where the whole sale changes Cleverley, Anderson on for Giggs and Nani to make a diamond 4 in midfield then Hernandez on for Valencia

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23 Sep 2012 14:29:20
2nd half gna be the same story, i still think we will get beat, dno why i get up for these matches when the players dont and when fergie selects the same crap, we have not progressed from last year infact we look worse, the midfield is the obvious problem and we have to suffer it week in and week out

1991devil

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23 Sep 2012 14:26:28
Poor team selection
Poor tactics yet again
Nani.Evra and Giggs abysmal
Wtf is going on the worst 45 mins ive seen from Utd in a long long time
Only plus the scousers are down to ten men
TheSpartanred

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23 Sep 2012 14:24:59
So that was the single handedly the worst half of football I think I have ever seen from a United team... Nani can not pass to feet over a yard.... Giggs' legs have gone, Evra is shocking he can not keep his positioning or time a tackle, Rafael's positioning is poor, Valencia has been poor all season maybe the big number 7 has too much pressure? We needed Cleverley and Anderson in our team today 433 with Welbeck out on the left then Kagawa coming on in the second half.

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23 Sep 2012 14:24:49
Guys can i ask a srious question? Does fergie spend alot of time on the training pitch? I ask because surely in training valencia roasts evra? He is awful at getting back i wonder if he realises hes a left back?

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23 Sep 2012 14:20:51
I was going to say we will lose this game, but now the red card has been given I am 50/50 again. How can Sir Alex not understand that playing Ryan Giggs in CM is a terrible idea! We need energy and pace, someone like cleverley would be great. Very disappointed with the team first half!

-JakeW

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23 Sep 2012 14:20:30
What a sh!t performance that was, how many times are we going to say that?

how i miss roy keane.

JK92

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Sorry. sh!t first half performance.

JK92

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23 Sep 2012 14:20:25
Ferdinand and the back four were immense. I am glad we got through, very tough 45 minutes. Nani is pathetic and Kagawa also disappointing. Need Anderson, Scholes, Cleverly on the pitch.Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 14:20:06
even after going down to 10 men they have destroyed us,if changes arnt made at half time ill be shocked,rafael,rioc and evans are the reason were still in this game,its been them againt liverpool,shocking 1st half,lucky its 0.0.

phil

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23 Sep 2012 14:18:38
This is a whole new level of sh*t.

Now this is a game were Nani deserves the dogs abuse he gets...

MPez

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23 Sep 2012 14:16:00
Personally, In a time when Nani should be looking to fire on all cylinders, This has to be the worst i have seen him play! Shocking! TomP

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23 Sep 2012 14:15:30
Nani.....sigh.

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23 Sep 2012 14:14:47
10 against 11, our midfield looks better suddenly lol. shahram

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23 Sep 2012 14:13:59
For me that wasn't a red card, certainly a yellow but didn't deserve a red! If he'd had a few warnings over tackles or something then maybe, but not a straight red! Any injury to Evans is on the shoulders of Giggsy, caught ball watching and forced Evans to really commit to something he shouldn't of had to. Not something i'd expect from arguably our most experienced player. Powell needs to come on IMO, so does Buttner.

Andy!

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At the beginning at the match he was warned because of a tackle on rafael. I think thats why he got the red. If it wasnt for that he would have probably got a yellow imo.

Mick

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It was a clear red card, but if Jonny had got the better of Shelvey it could quite easily have been a red for him too. Jamie Redknapp was spot on.

Sydney!

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Shelvey could have destroyed evans hamstring if he had gone just a little hard.It was dangerous play and the red card was truly deserved.

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23 Sep 2012 14:11:34
I am ashamed of this first half performance. If we get a result it will be solely down to the red card. Rafael is the only player who seems to have any fight. Disgraceful attitude by the team, playing like this against the scousers, no passion, no purpose, no pride.

Danny Pughnited

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Worst performance I have seen for a long long time.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 14:10:57
If Liverpool cannot score while we are playing like this, then how will they ever score?

Well we now have no fit CB's.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 14:10:34
I know we have been fairly dreadful and this isn't being a Nani hater but has he actually found a teammate with any pass so far?

Rjmanutd

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23 Sep 2012 14:09:51
everytime nani has had the ball hes given it away,simple passes as well,no suprises to see all the play going down evras flank either,imo both liabilities,as i speak shelvey sent off,lets see if we take advantage.

phil

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23 Sep 2012 14:04:16
Giggs and Nani need sacking both absolutely awful over 20 passes or possession lost by both in the first half alone. If Fergie thinks these 2 clowns are good enough he needs to go too.

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23 Sep 2012 14:02:43
I can not believe it... once again Nani and Evra are the worst players on the pitch.. It is turning into a broken record

George

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I disagree. Giggs is doing worse than Evra.

Welsh Dragon

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I thought Evra has done ok. They are overloading the right side and it is not easy for Evra. Nani and Giggs are very poor, we were very poor but should win from here, Liverpool with all the adrenalin will suffer in the last 20 minutes and dead legs. Perfect for Scholes and subs to come on and open them up. Shahram

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Changed my mind, Evra is poor. Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 14:02:06
Please get Nani and Giggs off and bring on Cleverly and Anderson.

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Forgot to sign off.

shahram

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23 Sep 2012 14:01:25
Nani is officially crap and so is this new system. Hate to say it but we are now boring to watch.

Norn Iron

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23 Sep 2012 14:00:20
Jesus we are weak in the middle of the pitch. This is a very average liverpool team we are playing and still better than us in the middle of the pitch. Shahram

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We have been weak in the middle for some years now.

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23 Sep 2012 13:58:18
We have been shocking... we apparently have one of the best top 4 in our team yet we can not cause any threat.

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23 Sep 2012 13:56:43
FFS Giggs. Do us all a favour.

RETIRE! TODAY!

Timbo

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What like the other grandad did then had to be called out of retirement because you couldn't cope with out him

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23 Sep 2012 13:49:39
Can't believe SAF has made the same mistake again. Giggs cannot play in midfield. We'll be outrun easily.
Carrick and Cleverly or even Carrick & Anderson would've been far better.

We'll certainly lose the game, or fail to win it.
Nani ? He just runs with the ball, tries 1-2 ambitious shots. Would've preffered Welbeck.

Even buttner could've played instead of nani.
Buttner formerly played as a winger before shifting to LB. He wasn't new to the role. See Bale.

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23 Sep 2012 13:47:05
Once again Nani is awful at the simple things..... can he pass a ball to someones feet?

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23 Sep 2012 13:41:23
10 minutes in and already Evra has been done numerous times and caused us to be in serious trouble.

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23 Sep 2012 13:38:45
What a surprise Sterling is on the right wing, what was that Jred............. ;)

Sydney!

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Very well predicted Syd, I actually saw your post that time so you deserve some credit there!

Flimbo

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Lol what is the point of the post? Sterling has always been played right wing..... {Ed004's Note - he has been left wing all season}

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Flimbo, he was always going to test him against Evra and to be fair he gave Ev a torrid time at times today. Luckily for Evra he had a lot of protection from Evans and Giggs. I am so glad for Ev that he got through the game and left the field with his head held high. He may not be the same player anymore, but he has impressed me with how he has dealt with this Suarez stuff.

Sydney!

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I agree, to be fair, any manager worth his salt would know the easiest way to hurt United is to play their best wing man on the right and tell him to run at Evra all game as he is the achilles heal but I do admire him for his conduct during the game, he's a decent professional unlike Shelvey and obviously Suarez.

Flimbo

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23 Sep 2012 13:31:15
goosebumps of the best kind!!

a day when the support to the beautiful game matters more i think! hope we get a good game too..united for the win!
Rudi

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23 Sep 2012 13:30:17
Well done to both sets of fans at the start , sets the game up to be a top match....
HERBIE

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23 Sep 2012 13:27:24
Time for Nani to shine. Giggs could cover up for Evra

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23 Sep 2012 13:17:19
Giggs is probably there to protect the left back area when evra decides to stay forward..

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23 Sep 2012 13:16:11
The team news concerns me greatly. The goalkeeper should be De Gea for me, evra was always going to play due to his greater experience.
I would argue that with Giggs in for Scholes our front 6 is weaker than Wednesday and we were overrun then. If we play with Nani and Valencia wide we could potentially lack any control in the middle. Why is Giggs preferred to Cleverley, to me this says a lot about our central midfield options and how much SAF trusts Cleverley.

I hope I am wrong but Liverpool will likely control midfield completely and win a close game by the odd goal. SAF selection baffles me and he has done what I thought he would and left us vulnerable. It will be tough to change the game once we concede the initiative in midfield. I hope I am wrong but I am concerned at our managers selection

Red Man

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23 Sep 2012 13:13:13
Giggs playing instead of Scholes. I can only assume this is because Scholse needs a rest?

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No it's due to Scholes' rash challenges. He will come on for the last 30 minutes.

Sydney!

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And so far he is very poor. I think we will see a change soon. Shahram

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23 Sep 2012 13:12:05
This is my thinking of our line up. I think with Lindegaard playing I think Sir Alex has gone with Rio and Evans as they are better at playing the ball out from the back.

Liverpool are good at keeping the ball but their attack lacks that cutting edge.

So I think Sir Alex's thinking is let them have possession and hit them on the break. Thats why he's gone with Giggs ahead of someone like Scholes or Cleverley. I'd prefer Anderson in this kind of set up as he offers more defensively and his passing is better than Giggs'. Personally this isn't how I would have set up but then i've not managed the greatest team in the world for over quarter of a century.

Lets see how this plays out.

Shappy

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Shappy, Vidic obviously has a knock or else he would at least be on the bench.

Sydney!

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Scholes was never going to start due to his rash challenging. If the manager was thinking about keeping possession he would have went with Cleverley. Giggs is there for experience and to help out Ev on the left.

Sydney!

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23 Sep 2012 13:09:14
What is SAF playing at, Giggs and Carrick in midfield against liverpool four in midfield! We are screwed. I for one am getting really peeved off with the teams SAF is selecting.
We needed to select 5 in midfield Carrick, Anderson, Scholes, Cleverley and Kagawa and play RVP or Welbeck up front.
This is not a game for gung ho attitude. We need to contain Liverpool and hit them on the break. SAF has lost the plot.
When is he going to get a right hand man who understands tactics instead of the YES SIR we have as right hand man at the moment.
We will lose this match 3-1 or worse. Anyone, still thinks SAF is the man for the job, need only look at the result of this match. It is getting ridiculous. He's almost not playing a midfield just because of stubborness. Might as well not turn up and give the 3 points to LIverpool!

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This team is made for playing on the break, don't give up before we've even kicked a ball!

DodgyBanter

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23 Sep 2012 13:04:39
EDIT DO you know what's happen to vidic? he didn't even make on the bench.
this is team for today.
Manchester United (4-2-3-1): Lindegaard; Rafael, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Giggs; Valencia, Kagawa, Nani; Van Persie.

Subs: De Gea, Anderson, Hernandez, Welbeck, Scholes, Cleverley, Buttner.

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I don't know but must be injured and we have kept it a secret. No way he would not be playing if not injured. Very concerned that we do not have a natural cb on the subs bench in case Evans or Rio pick up an injury. Not sure about the whole line up to be honest and hope saf does not get this all wrong. shahram

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23 Sep 2012 13:07:06
I am sorry but once again it is Fergie's team selection that is poor..... Giggs instead of a fit Anderson or Cleverley... It is clear we need energy and someone with a good engine in the middle and he picks Giggs, is he mad !

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23 Sep 2012 13:06:39
pre-match nerves! come on boys!

lets hope RvP, carrick and evra have a good game

brendan

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23 Sep 2012 13:04:16
Shows how little faith Fergie has in our midfield when our 38 year old left winger is preferred to Cleverly, Powell and Anderson. Embarrassing position when our top three choices for the centre of the park are all over 30. And what better way to improve De Gea's confidence by benching after a great midweek performance. Building for the future by relegating youth to the bench.

Danny Pughnited

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De Gea has been purely dropped for one reason..... set pieces. They will target him with Skrtel and Agger.

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23 Sep 2012 13:02:06
Why is Giggs playing ahead of Anderson or Cleverley when one has not played in ages and the other has been rested for a week or so.... They both have more energy and more ability, Giggs has been awful in CM for 2 years.

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23 Sep 2012 13:01:19
Now this is gonna be a tough game, I had worried that Giggs may play as he was rested against Gala but now it reality. Giggs in the centre with Evra at LB could cost us this game.
I could understand Evra playing even though I don't agree with it but to play Giggs in the centre when we have Scholes Cleverley and Anderson on the bench is just baffling.

Shappy

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23 Sep 2012 13:00:32
We have lost before the game has started ! They are going to over run the midfield with Allen, Shelvey and Gerrard against Carrick and giggs who have no energy.....This is where we needed Cleverley,Carrick and Anderson who can all run as a 3.

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23 Sep 2012 13:00:01
why no vidic,any1 know!

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23 Sep 2012 12:56:08
Team lineup:

Lindegaard

Rafael-Evans-Ferdinand-Evra
Carrick-Giggs
Valencia-Kagawa-Nani
van Persie

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Cmon Nani and Giggs in middle

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Ridiculous lineup!

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I think cleverley/ anderson will come on for giggs about 60min.

welbeck/hernandez will probably replace kagawa too.

JK92

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23 Sep 2012 12:54:08
why is anderson not fit, its ridiculous he shud be playing today

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Totally agree here not andersons biggest fan but he is still better than giggs. Is cleverly on the bench? Why are we chopping and changing our goalkeepers how is our defense supposed to get an understand if we have a different goalkeeper every game? Anybody know if vidic is injured? Can't see us winning today but would loved to b proved wrong.

Damian M

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23 Sep 2012 12:53:50
anyone got any good links for the match today.
thanks in advance

snakey

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23 Sep 2012 12:52:15
Giggs!! Ffs. Fergie must be saving the team for the CoC against Newcastle. Surely we have more CMs than Giggs at the club. The guy is a legend but not for games like this, not for me anyway.

An Dun Red Devil

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23 Sep 2012 12:47:32
well giggs and carrick are our centre midfield duo today, we will lose this game, fergies teams are startin to make me wna pull my hair out...wen are we gna move on. i can see the angry posts comin in later alredi

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We are okay as long as we play a 4-3-3 with Kags in midfield. If we are playing a 4-2-3-1 then we will be overrun in midfield and only a potent attack will save us. No Vidic? Evra playing without Vidic's help. I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous.

Sydney!

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Absolutely right, SAF has lost the plot. What is he playing at? We needed to flood our midfiled with young legs and experience. Should have put Cleverley, Anderson, Carrick, Scholes and Kagawa and played either RVP or Welbeck up front on their own. We will lost this match 3-1 at least.
SAF, do us a favour and change your right hand man and get someone who can actually talk to you and advise you.

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23 Sep 2012 12:44:12
So Giggs is playing, we have lost already ! Once again we are going for the contain them mentality when we have a better squad and should be playing to our strengths of attacking.

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23 Sep 2012 12:43:23
There is no Nemanja Vidic in the Manchester United defence - Jonny Evans and Rio Ferdinand are at centre-back. Anders Lindegaard replaces David de Gea in goal, Ryan Giggs is recalled and Robin van Persie and Shinji Kagawa are also in their starting XI.

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23 Sep 2012 12:43:20
Giggs and Lindegaard starting. Facepalm.

Percy

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Nani too :(

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23 Sep 2012 12:42:52
I have to admit I am really excited about our team line up being revealed due to Scholes already playing twice this week which I thought was personic he should of been rested for this game. Then there is Evra and Nani will they wont they play debate.

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23 Sep 2012 12:42:26
Pls,those of you who are anti-9ani.Don't celebrate when he scores the only goal.

Nani

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Yeah own Goal

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23 Sep 2012 12:42:10
Big blow, Vidic out today.

Raffa

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23 Sep 2012 12:13:04
Two big games and a beef stew. Not a bad day to have an hangover.

Sydney!

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LOL, not the only one syd.

JK92

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23 Sep 2012 11:50:04
Any chance of buttner
starting at LM? can go back for when evra attacks,

TRUMORS

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If we were to play Buttner today I would prefer 3 at the back with Him and Valencia as wing backs.

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23 Sep 2012 11:41:11
Fergie is tracking Fehgouli, 22 from Valencia.

The Algerian international is labelled the 'New Zidane' by reports in Spain.

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23 Sep 2012 11:37:13
You lot need to stop with all the cockiness I mean i remember when you were the biggest team in Manchester... now you get slapped up 6-1 and home like its normal :/


Clg

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I can also remember beating you lot 8.2, just to add insult to injury we have taken the player that got you them two goals.

Sydney!

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Lool he scored one goal and id rather lose 8-2 at United than 6-1 at home to Tottenham ;)


Clg

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Come back when you win a trophy an that don't include you own one

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23 Sep 2012 11:03:33
This could turn into a great day or a terrible one for myself and GAGUS today

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23 Sep 2012 10:16:57
Morning everyone
quick question for the eds/posters
is anderson injured? if not then why is he not playing?
DJ

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He apparantly over heard Fergie telling De Gea to beef up over the summer but local farmers are angry as Anderson took that literally and has been seen each day eating whole cows... From what i gather he is fit but on a strict training regime to lose a few pounds

andydee mufc

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Maybe he is injured maybe he isn't but he sure is she*p.

Maybe that has something to do with it?

Jono

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23 Sep 2012 08:51:51
think evra will start. although many prefer buttner, we know fergie will want experience and i also believe he wants to sort out what happened with evra and suarez by them shaking hands today.

TRUMORS

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I couldn't agree more.... Buttner should be picked on merit but Evra will be picked and ripped apart resulting in us losing today..... I have no confidence in him at all.

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As poor as Evra has been I think he'll want to make a statement today.

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Thats why I posted an earlier line up including both. He can keep Evra's exp and have Butts as a natural left footer and able to cover Evra if needed. Then bring more attackers on as the game wears on.

I think it's more about containing for a while then hitting them hard late on so they cant recover rather than trying to impose ourself on them.

Jono

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23 Sep 2012 02:45:12
Interviewer: what's your favourite cheese?
Stevie G: Grated Cheese.

:D

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23 Sep 2012 01:58:53
Paul Pogba played full game for juventus today. Atleast he's playing, would love to play them in the champions league

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23 Sep 2012 00:44:12
Edds why is there hardly any united players on player profiles or ones we have been linked with it seems to lean a lot towards Liverpool an there players if you have time could there be links to clubs on there an have the squads profiles I no this is properly out of the question as it would take a lot of time that you may not have but that to me would be fantastic to no what you think of certain players that alread play for the clubs

Dio {Ed001's Note - it was simply because Ed022 is a Liverpool fan, when he started doing the site, he chose the players. We were expecting more people to request players to do profiles on, but they mostly suggest the same players over and over. If you think of anyone you want profiled, just post on the profiles site asking for them. The profiles eds are always looking for new players to do.}

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I have already asked for a few and none have been done so i give up

dio

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If you give up why you moaning

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22 Sep 2012 17:28:43
Eds the new links on the page does the site get money if you mouse over the link and the advert pops up, or only if you click the link?
Because the mouse over is damned annoying, whereas I am perfectly willing to click the links regularly

Pardoe {Ed001's Note - those links that come up with an ad when you mouse over them pay per view, but don't view them unless you are actually interested mate.}

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Thanks Ed001 I don't mind clicking links to help pay for the site was just making sure if you mouse over the link you get paid

Pardoe

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