Manchester United Banter Archive July 24 2012

24 Jul 2012 23:14:24
Bit confused to people's ideal united starting 11 for next year.

Why everyone leaves out Valencia is ridiculous.

He was by far our best player last season. He defends, attacks, has pace, good passer, easily the best crosser in the prem, and has a good shot and can score goals.

Along with vidic and Rooney he is one of a best players.

If not the best

And number 7

Fergies not going to leave our
Best player out, always consistent and deserves his 7 shirt!

And he was value In the market

MUFC1990 {Ed004's Note - I leave Valencia out of my team selections as I am a huge fans of teams have a fluid attack and formation. However that is not possible when you have Valencia. However I feel there are games we would need to play him, ie, vs Chelsea etc when he has consistently ripped Cole apart and I would play him RB in some games if we are going ultra attacking}

Yeah but he was our main reason for most attacks last season. When he wasn't in the team we struggled to break teams down and have that difference to win games.

Perfect example CITY AWAY.

He doesn't start, we can't create an attack cause there was no width and no options to to counter attack as we played the boring defensive tactics. 1-0 down fergie decides to bring him on 75 minutes 2 late and we attacked he got forward so many times and deliverd some great balls but with just Rooney up front isolated we didn't stand a chance.

Just hope fergie changes the tactics away this year and actually plays an attack minded formation.

While on the subject of starting 11s mine would be

--------Dea GEA---------
RAF--small--vidic--evra
----------carrick-------
TONI--------------Young
Nani------Kagawa
Rooney

Gives you the fluid attack with Valencia, young, nani, kagawa and Rooney.

While still having the back coverd as valencia can help out carrick with young helping now and again.

And when counter attacking rafeal and evra can push forward.

this would be my ideal team which I think would score alot while not conceding that many.

Could also suit European way of football aswell

MUFC1990

Agree with Ed. Tony on his day is a great player, but is a bit of a one trick player. If he struggles at beating his man on the outside with pace he tends to slow the play and turn back inside/pass back to the fullback. No doubt he has been told to retain possession at all costs, but sometimes you want your flair players to take a risk to change a game.

-----------Rooney
Moura----Kagawa----Nani

Would be a fearsome front four, each could interchange seamlessly with each other. Doesn't mean people don't rate Valencia for what he does.

DodgyBanter

100% agree with ed004 assessment . The fluid attacking system is the way we will be going and was what was so great about our begging to last season , with Nani starting on the left - we just confused the opposition :)
Remember the spurs goalkeepers comments on on MOD2 about playing us.

The bigger question is ,is fergy going to drop valencia, personally i dont think he will , valencia offers a cutting edge keeps his game simple and is good defensively all attributes that fergy likes.
I think valancia will be one of the first names on the team sheet
jred

I agree jred, although Valencia does the same trick it works, and he will be on the team sheet first


MUFC1990

Different horses for different courses. Valencia would be better suited to play in certain games, Nani/Moura in others. Personally I would always play Valencia even if in some games he is at RB. I also believe Valencia's fluidity has improved a lot over the last season. He can come inside and go down the outside. Before he was only able to go down the outside with ease.

Sydney!

24 Jul 2012 22:52:24
Wow, is it me, or does this whole Moura fiasco smell like Snidjer last year? Putting all our eggs in one metaphysical basket? Chasing 1 target hard, not getting him, loosing out by a potential 2-3m?? Then we will get on the "there is no value in the market" really? So when Real wanted Ronaldo so badly, they overpaid by £30m, but then that is ok when we get the money to pay off debt, but I suppose it's exciting that we all read the papers to see if the deal is done, so it detracts from the fact that we will sign players of no more than £15m and still be expected to win big!! I will personally come on here and apologise very loudly if RVP or Moura happen, but, dear followers, I think we all know the answer.

Well no name did we not go in for Hazard and Modric so already your drivel smacks of rollocks

Pardoe

24 Jul 2012 22:42:04
Get over it no big deals will happen, no value in the Market .....again .andog

Everyone needs to stop saying "no value in the market".. It's the same for every club, and everybody is buying player, so relax and I guarantee SAF will bring one decent signing before deadline day. Just chill the beans!

JK

24 Jul 2012 22:24:36
i'm just going to ignore all Moura stories from this moment until I see him standing inbetween Fergie and Gill with a shirt in his hand!

24 Jul 2012 21:38:05
Real Madrid only willing to pay £27 million for Modric but Tottenham want £35 million.

Rules Us out of the hunt for him then :-)
HERBIE

24 Jul 2012 21:27:11
can someone please tell me why peoplewant witsel and martinez when they both are expensive martinez more than witsel and i dont think martinez is suited for the prem league
there is a better solution to our defensive/box to box player than martinez and witsel and that player is yann m'vila


m'vila is an all aroung cdm who also is a great playmaker with exceptional passing , dribbling, ball control, abilities and is a strong hard worker who is a great player marker who intercepts the ball and is consistant and if i missed anything someone search his attributes

he has said he wants to play in the prem league this season and he is suited to the style of the prem league

the best part about the possible purchase of an elite french international is that not only would we be getting a world class player we can get him cheap he would be less than 20 million witsel would cost more than 2o million and martinez would cost more than 30 million for me its an easy choice yann m'vila to man united this summer

24 Jul 2012 20:52:56
So hopefully we have a Long hot summer ahead of us but have we finished all our transfer activity or is it about to Start. Is Fergie about to splash the pretty green stuff or is he hoping to build from the floorboards up which is ok when you're young but if we keep digging any deeper into the youth system we will be going underground. We have lost Pogba a Man of great promise because of poor wages. Though money has been spent on Carrington which has all the Mod Cons you need for todays professional footballer. We have to ask ourself are we witnessing the Setting sons of Fergies career. But this is the Modern world and we have to realise that we just don't have the money to compete with the top clubs in Europe no matter how many players we are linked with in the News of the World. I know quite a few of you feel my life is in a rut but I'm quite happy with what we've got. And we've made our bed we better lie in it. And that has to be the bitterest pill I've ever had to swallow. I AM KLOOT

Kloot,

Possibly the best post you have written, still much I don't agree with but it is a little less bitter and twisted than a lot of your other posts. I agree we have lost good players from the youth system but I actually think we have signed Powell to replace pogba. We need two more players to come in and I will be happy. Fergie is obviously trying for these.

A poster earlier made me smile when he said if you went to buy a tv for £200 and when you got to the checkout they said sorry to you it's £250 you would not pay it. Business (and that's what we are unfortunately) cant afford to overpay for assets.

I hope I can say I told you so Kloot and that your negative attitude isn't warranted, fingers crossed!

GDS

There is certainly a lot jammed into that post.

24 Jul 2012 20:19:20
To be honest I believe the Lucas moura move is still likely. Think about it saf confirms interest and less than 24 hours later there's no chance of it happening sounds bit weird. The agent is just trying to be annoying like they always do they are payed to talk ruBbish

Locks mufc

24 Jul 2012 20:12:09
If spurs want rid of modric they need to lower price as Madrid won't go above 27 million!

Caolán.

24 Jul 2012 20:02:55
ok the way i see it is moura is a luxary we can do without but if he comes that would be amazing as we will have one of the best YOUNG players in the world, i think wot has most of us man utd fans ticked off is it another big signing we could lose out on, which never looks gd for a club of our size, just look at madrid and barca, they freely tap up players using all sorts of shady press realese's, but they never seem to fail in with there targets, but we often seem to miss out on our big targets. Look at barca and alba, they stated that they were in for him, and low and behole, over 6 wks laters, straight after the euro's we all see ''alba moves to barca for £11m'' real madrid go in for modric, and now every1 in football expects that to happen with no real hitch after a fee can be agreed simples.
where as united go in for Nasri, he go's to city, united go for modric hes going to madrid as did ozil too, this has been going on for years now like ronaldinho from years gone past.
why do the other super clubs like us not seem to have half as much problem signing there targets?? the reasons does seem to be unknown, every1 pointing fingers at greedy players/agents, clubs holding us to ransom, tight wod owners, but i happen to think fergie is just telling us straight when he says there is no value in the market, i mean honestly a unproven 19yr old from a mid-table brazilian club and they seem to be asking upwards of £26m?? that is silly money, but its the same for every club but it always seems that when we look over the man utd fence into other football gardens we see chelski indulging there fans with numorous high profile big money signings, as do city now which is always going to be a bit more painful.
barca are very lucky being the best team in the world and playing in the league that is creating the best european players at present, same would be for the english clubs if all of a sudden a whole generation of young english players took europe by storm. madrid are very unique in by them being somewhere between barca and the harlem globetrotters with players just wanting to go there for the celeb aspect as much as football aspects.
all in all yes we know there in no value in the market but sometimes in a ever changing market u might have to pay a little over the odds for some1, its always nice finding a gem like hernandez or ole but its also very nice when we go out with intent and buy the best forwards like RVN an rooney and they us to the top.
we just dont seem to scare no one in the transfer market anymore because they know united will be linked only offer wot we thinks he is worth the clubs turn in down leak it to the pree and katching! city/chelsea/barca/madrid bid over us and get our target and we get left with djemba/kleberson/smith with were mid-table prem clubs targets.
its great being a united fan apart from 3 months of the year, jan/july/august.

Chris the Redman

Good post, a lot of sense spoken IMO

Gav

24 Jul 2012 19:47:02
The Manchester Evening News like to keep a close relationship with both clubs so the City story in the paper is very cutting about United.

As follows

Ferguson has been unusually vocal about United’s transfer market activity, confirming the Reds are in for van Persie and then letting it be known that they are also chasing Brazilian wonderkid Lucas Moura.

United are normally very cloak-and-dagger about their transfer deals.

Could it be a coincidence that all of this excitement, the tempting prospect of two new talents heading for Old Trafford, has something to do with the fact that the Reds still have season tickets for next season  to sell?

Van Persie, like every other football lover in the country, will have sat down to watch the Manchester derby on April 30, as City and United tussled for supremacy at the pinnacle of English football.

Like everyone else who saw that game, he must have got the distinct impression that he was watching a fading empire being overthrown by a thrusting new power.

United looked weak, timid and suffering from an inferiority complex, nothing like the Reds of old. City, without playing particularly well, looked like a team on a mission, brimming with determination and a sense of destiny.

United, constricted by their debt and the Glazer family’s attempts to find ways of paying it off, could quite easily become the new Arsenal, unable to match the big clubs in spending power, and clinging to past glories.

Van Persie has hinted that his next move will be to a club which will help him win things, after spending eight years at Arsenal with just an FA Cup winner’s medal to show for it.

Having seen the derby, and then witnessed City celebrating the title as Fergie and his team looked punch-drunk at the Stadium of Light, surely the decision will have been made for him?

In a nutshell, City can pay more to land him, they can pay van Persie more to attract him, and they can offer him a greater chance of winning trophies. Is there really a decision to be made?

They are saying what we can see but some refuse to accept. We have to do something this window that will make a difference.
No more risky bargains

Red Man

Didn't know kloot wrote for the MEN!?

GDS

The bigger problem is that people think that if we went till the last game of the season and loose on Goal difference is not bad, we can win back. But peolpe forget that City or Chelsea have the same ambitions and they see that they need reinforcements in order to Win! Vidic back won't be enough.

Red Man

I said all this last night and got lambasted. Its the same summer play as last year only the character names have changed this year from Nasri and Sneijder to Van Persie and Moura.

Anyone with a grain of sense knows Van Persie is going to City. The only stumbling block is finding clubs for the incumbant staff already there i.e Adebayor etc. Ferguson knows it but won't admit it because of the Season Ticket sale. For gods sake when have you ever known him have to send a video e-mail asking fans to buy season tickets before.

This is a defining summer for me as a Manchester United fan and I will tell you why. If you think I am going to spend anymore hard earned cash, with another 73000 people next summer whilst signing the likes of Nick Powell and Shinji Kagawa and being conned up to august 31st that we are in for big stars, you have got another thing coming.

I am not going to be lied to anymore by Ferguson. There it is he go's or I go

Mike the Moston Red

Arrogant journalist who writes for the blue side of Manchester in propaganda-esk fashion.

He talks of past glories and new becoming's,

Yet fails to mention a champions come back(ALI did one).

For you see as all true champions we will come back stronger, we will be inspired, we will be wiser and and we will be UNITED!

You see anyone can use language to conjure emotive responses and belief.

This is a City fan that is comforting himself with blandish claims that SAF is 'cracking up' because he knows this season coming is the one that City feel the pressure, the one where that they have to step up and defend a tittle for the first time in modern times.

Cban

The majority of the first team wasn't playing

fearny

Not a balanced story and too one sided if they were hoping to maintain any sort of relationship with the reds - scouse journalist r just the usual anti Utd diatribe - only simpletons will read it and accept such cr*p

Red Man

So you think I should agree with Stuart Brennan, probably the least partial sports journalist in the North, rather than form my own opinions? You think he's done anymore in writing that article than read through the cynical second-rate blogs that get regurgitated on here day after day?

As to the "fading empire" comment, haven't we heard it before a couple of times? Arsenal, Chelsea?

There was a time when the Evening News had some relevance in relation to reporting on United and City, but that day is long, long gone now.

DarkLard08

So RVP is going to base the decision on his future all on that one match?! I wish he would base his decision on our 8-2 thrashing of his very own team : )

Also, it's a bit early to be comparing us with Arsenal after one year without a trophy! No offence meant to the gunners but has RVP even one a trophy in all his years there? Maybe 1. I know he would have a few medals if he'd spent those years with us!

As you said a very cutting article...

Gav

"I am not going to be lied to anymore by Ferguson. There it is he go's or I go

Mike the Moston Red"

I know which one I choose ; )

Gav

24 Jul 2012 19:40:15
Stop stressing over this Lucas news, everyone is reporting it based on what the agent said. The true deadline for this will be July 31st. Due to the 10% shift in his contract, if he is not a United player by Aug 1st then you will know for sure that he isn't moving. -KG

24 Jul 2012 19:35:21
we dont need another lb because i think evra is good to go this season and blackett looks to be the real deal but will need to be put on loan because heis young and inexperienced

we dont need to sign another striker until berba leaves and then it will be dembele not lewandowski who would be a terrible signing

we need to sign moura and m'vila because they fit the holes in our midfeild not so much moura but he can tackle

so if i had my summer transfers the way we need them to be it would be like this;
in:
kagawa
powell
m'vila
moura/ or eriksen if sao paulo keep being d***s
dembele
some cb that would cost 2 or 3 mill on the last day of the transfer market if we still have our boys all injured

out:
park
kuzcak
fabio(loan)
berbatov
and some reserves that i dont know the names of out on loan


perfect transfer market

I agree lewandowski is not built for the prem league and if hernandez is sold which i think has to be done because the boy has no more confidence i would like us to get rvp

if we get rvp we wont sign dembele but to replace berbatov i wouldnt mind us signing a youg lad from partizan belgrade can someone find out what his name is because i forgot it but he is a phenomonal striker and will blossom into the best

That would leave our formation like this
--------ddg
-rafael--rio---vidic---evra
-------m'vila--carrick
valencia--kagawa--moura/nani/young
-----------rooney

that is honestly a champions league winning team not only a prem league team {Ed004's Note - Think you would need to play someone more attacking beside M'Vila and I think a left back would be needed. Also Moura is more of a right winger and imo would be played there in his first season}

I'd save the money on Dembele and the CB and get a quality LB. Evra is not good to go IMO. M'Villa depending on attitude) and Moura on top of Kagawa/Powell would be great though

Gav

24 Jul 2012 18:56:48
just saw this and had to sahre it

"Fergie trying to sign another Anderson (Moura) The truth is Brazilians dont cut it in the Prem. Lucas Leiva is Scouse,thats the difference "

Very true. Lucas Leiva and ramires r not the fancy brazilian players, they can adapt to roughn demanding football. As a liverpool fan, im pleased to see lucas doing so well after a difficult start. Im not sure Lucas Moura will though. the boy is definitely talented but the physicality in the bpl may be too much for him. He should go to RM or barca if they want him or bide his time in brazil for now.
Indian Buzzer

24 Jul 2012 18:50:57
S*y sports saying that the clubs still haven't ruled out a move for Moura to Utd despite comments by the agent - makes sense ie agent playing games to increase his payday

24 Jul 2012 18:40:25
Simmo i'm getting rained on by that big black cloud that follows you about

Stuey

Stuey

Put your umbrella up then to stop your teddy boy quiff getting wet!

Simmo

24 Jul 2012 17:28:22
So it shows how unreliable skysports actually are as they have now changed their stance and say Man Utd are still confident of signing the player. Add to it his agent is over for the olympics (supposedly) more like trying to finalise a deal.

fearny

Where did you see this?

G.A.G.U.S

Where did it say that or was is on the channel?

Red Joe

It was the transfer guy... think his name is Andy Burton (not 100% sure) doing the transfer segment and said that we are still in for Lucas and are confident of signing the player.

fearny

24 Jul 2012 17:11:32
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen this Cirigliano play? From what I have read he is a box2box player. I can't comment on how good he is. The only player that I can comment on from River Plate is Lucas Ocampos - he is a special player and would be a great alternative to Lucas Moura. He is also better on the left hand side than he is on the right which is something we need.

RedDevil19

I've seen him compared to both Mascherano and Redondo although he is very raw "not ready" is the phrase most used. Mort.

24 Jul 2012 16:01:57
H**k the transfer window. Gets worse every year.

G.A.G.U.S

Honk? Hank? Hunk? : )

Gav

24 Jul 2012 16:31:43
Lucas Moura is 19, playing for a mid table Brazilian club, in a league that is nowhere near the quality of the top european leagues. Go and watch all the videos on him, he has incredible technical ability, but rarely has any end product. Signing this guy for anything over 10mil is a massive gamble, true i could be wrong, and he could be as good as ronaldo, but he could also be the next ricardo quaresma. All we really need is another striker, RVP would be amazing, but with the squad we have at the moment, and the talented youngsters coming through like cleverley, powell, tunnicliffe, lingard, and having just signed kagawa, we just need a striker with good link up play and a bit of quality to back up welbeck and rooney.

All we need is another striker? are you serious. All we need is a lb at least 1 new person in midfield and maybe a striker. But midfield should be our concern at the moment.

We don't need a CM or LB?

Gav

We have Welbeck, Hernandez, Rooney and Kagawa who can play up top.

In midfield we have Anderson, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs and Cleverley.

You think all we really need is a striker? I think we would only sign a striker because RVP is available and Fergie has always been a massive fan.

Posts like this always come up about players we have apparently missed out on, 'he isn't good enough anyway'. It happened with Hazard, in fact you could have copied the Hazard quote and replaced the name and country with Eden Hazard and French and it would be exactly the same!

GDS

You are right that Lucas doesn't have all that much end product yet. Even on the youtube snippits he beats one man and fails to pick out anyone in the box. He is still going to be world class though. We do also have a lot to look forward to with Tunnicliffe, Powell, Lingard etc as you said. As for 'needing' another striker, I'm not convinced...but if a good one comes in then i'm not going to say no.

RedDevil19

24 Jul 2012 16:13:42
Ok people this sounds a bit mad but just think about it...

Real Madrid have told kaka that he can leave as he is surplus to requirements..He would be available for around 10m euro which i believe is £6-8m pounds...

I personally believe we should take a chance, didnt have an overall bad season last year with 8 goals and 15 assists which i believe someone said was more than iniesta..

For £6-8m its definitley worth the chance, if it doesnt work out big deal ? i believe he could do the job and if hes fit is still an unbelievable player

DeMn

Get real...we don't need another dead beat past his prime getting paid 150grand a week.

Simmo

I suppose the big question here is whether or not Madrid really would entertain offers of 10 million Euros. For that price Kaka would be a great signing imo. He could easily give 4 or 5 years and when I saw him play last season still looked to be quality. I suspect wages might be a problem though.

Adz

If you think he will go for that much I suggest you fin a new doctor, I'd be amazed if he was let go for anything less than 20 million just because his name comes with a premium and Madrid will need the money.

Supasub

Adz

I wouldn't pay 1 million for Kaka. He is very average now.

Simmo

Kaka would be an effective signing for that price, regardless of him getting on a little bit. When he is on song he is still very very good. I'm not sure 10 million Euros would do it, but if it does I hope we are at the front of the cue.

RedDevil19

I think Kaka would be a bargain at that price. Plus im sure he would give the youngsters a lesson or two in terms of elegance and class. IMO he isnt past it, You never lose the quality he had. He just needs a spark and i think Fergie could give him that spark back. Ive always wanted to see him in a united Jersey and I would love if he joined us. If we do go for him i can see madrid getting modric. Thus they would be willing to let Kaka go as they have an abundance of midfielders.
Anyway, for 6-8 million id go for it!
James!

24 Jul 2012 15:45:45
Moura agent already back tracking.....latest is that he was mis quoted and he was saying united need to up their offer ! Wonder how his divorce settlement might be ruling his head

Newbridge red

24 Jul 2012 15:50:24
We have been interested in four players this summer what we know of.
So far it's been Modric, RVP, Moura and Hazard.
Hazard went to Chelsea, Modric looks like going to Real Madrid, Moura maybe staying in Brazil and who knows where RVP will end up but i know this he won't end up at United because Wenger wouldn't sell us the steam of his p*ss!
So the question is....where and who next.
Not forgetting getting pipped to Nasri by City last year.
I think it's all becoming rather embarrassing now.

Simmo

If it winds you up mate just stop reading 'rumours' as that is just what they are!

Gav

I dis-agree, If united really wanted these players they would have gotten them. Hazard was over priced thats why united pulled out of that, Tottenham want 40 million for modric (do you think thats worth it?) RVP's demands are staggering and in my opinion united are still interested in Lucas.
As for Nasri, he choose cash!
James!

GAV

where in my post did i say it winds me up?
I said it's now becoming embarrassing nothing more.
Read the post correctly.

Simmo

24 Jul 2012 14:41:23
Just noticed a player called Agnaldo made an appearance for the reserves last night, does anyone know who he is? and it also looks as if Glastonby has returned from FC Twente , as he also put in an appearance.

HI Mate, Agnaldo is another one from Desportivo Brazil, the team we link with in Brazil. He is here on trial, I believe its the second time he's been over.

Red Bear

24 Jul 2012 14:38:02
Have we got anything on moutinho? It'd news abt him seem to have died out

I'm not sure we were ever in for him - perhaps it was the media putting 2 + 2 together because he had such a good Euro's and we looked to be losing out on Modric? I don't think the manager picks his targets based on a good tournament

In my eyes it is a shame though - I think he looks a very effective CM who could slot in nicely alongside Carrick

Gav

24 Jul 2012 14:19:39
use the money to buy Eriksen and Javi Martinez value for transfer market and the right budget to become the champions.

Bilbao have said that the only way Martinez will leave is if a club meets his buy out clause which stands at 40m. Eriksen will cost around 25m. In what way is that value for money exactly?

T0MB0Z

24 Jul 2012 14:04:43
So much negativity on this site that last two days, it really does bring you down. SAF said we are interested in Lucas and a day later "he ain't leaving" Why would SAF say that? Maybe because he knows we have got him and he just wants to keep quiet till after the Olympics so Lucas can concentrate on them? SAF has always kept his transfers quiet and I can assure this isn't the "End of Manchester United" as some of you are saying. We aren't even half way through the transfer window and people think we have lost our targets? Stop being absorbed by every article about us and a player because it is half the time bull crap. No body knows what SAF wants to do with the team and we won't know till the start of the season.

Just please can everybody stop believing every article and also may I add can you stop bugging the Edd's to tell you about certain players linked to our club because I have seen Edd002 post atleast 20 odd times about the Lucas Moura situation.

My view for then upcoming season is we will start with a fighting spirit, we won't crumble under Chelsea's and City's bank accounts.

We have the best player in the league Rooney reaching his best and boy am I looking foward to watching him play this year.

We have 2 of the best younger striker in Europe currently Welbeck and Hernandez' look to be Quality players once when they develop more, yes Hernandez' has had a terrible start to the tour but give him time he has missed out a lot last season.

We also have 2 of the best young defenders in the world and to make it better they are both English and I can see them going to the top of defenders when they grow older. ( Smalling is injured I know but he will be back before we know it. )

I must I add we have our new signing the young Japanese Kagawa!

I can go for hours about everything for us to look forward to next season. Oh yes before I forget Our almighty captain is back the Serbinator is who I refer him too!

I hate watching my fellow fans like me get caught up in this 'paper talk' and I will assure it is not all doom and gloom, Some have started to dislike Sir Alex and I disappointed, he has done a hell load for us and we should be great full for the last 25 years.

Now lets see the united spirit and I really do hope I see more positive posts on this page about our players and squads.

Have a great day guys and thanks for reading!

-JakeW

Since when were Welbeck and Chico 2 of the best young strikers in Europe? And Smalling and Jones 2 of the best defenders in THE WORLD?

Potential is nothing until it's realised...

T0MB0Z

You clearly can't read T0MB0Z he said two of the best YOUNGEST center backs in the world which is true there are only a few defenders at that age better than them.

And Chicha and Welbeck are both very young and again not many strikers at that age are better than them.

I think Jake meant they are one of the best young players not the 'best'.

Samk

They're all good young players - but aside from Smalling and possibly Jones I don't see any of them being with the club in 4 years time...

T0MB0Z

24 Jul 2012 13:42:27
...
DodgyBanter used to go out dogging with some bloke called Stan from Talksport.
...

Only just spotted this Shappy, how did you get hold of this info? I took out a super injunction and everything!!

Great post. Much more fun than reading about Shnider, Or is that Snyder?!

DodgyBanter

24 Jul 2012 13:35:42
**1 Red Army.When we bid around £30m for Moura we had no one of any quality in his position. Kalou was first choice around then and hes left the club on a free.

24 jul 2012 13:26:09
some ppl are eeeejets!! 'weve gone to 26m why dont we just pay what the y want its only 4 or 5m more', 'its the glaziers fault', 'ive lost all respect for fergie', 'we dont have the money'

guys, put it into real life, if you went to buy a t.v that was worth £200, and the shopkeeper said sorry mate but if you want this that much youll give me £250, youd laugh in his face and walk out.

the boy is unproven, cracking potential and could go on to be the next world beater, but he has done absolutely nothing in his career at top level yet.

ppl slate fergie for some of the flops hes payed over the odds for, veron,berba,anderson,bebe and now theyre attacking him for not wanting to risk it happening again.

we are not cfc or mcfc and i for one am glad.

jessop1982

Horrible analogy. TV's have set prices and that would never happen. Footballers do not have a set value, the club can set the value to whatever they want.

TVs can't score you a goal that can win u the title.

If 30 million gets you trophys it's not a question of ifs.

MUFC1990

What if it's the best TV on the market and the last HDTV around - and the only other choice was to settle for an inferior 22" SD model?

T0MB0Z

We need to sit tight now and wait. They are playing hardball, as are we. Lets see how it pans out. There is a long summer and we know Lucas wants to come to Manchester. We need for him to force his way out now. This story has not come to an end just because his difficult agent says it has. It's a good old fashioned negotiation and we just have to be patient.

Sydney!

Mufc1990 * wheres the guarantee that he'll win us the title? thats my point. i do understand my analogy was terrible, so i'll try again.

hi mate im really interseted in this t.vhow much is it worth?

i think its worth £300

even with the fact that it comes with a dvd player that has only ever played american registered dvds?

ahh yeah, but it might play british ones.

yeah but ive seen another at a mates house and i know they work even though theyre a little older.


£500 mate.

hang on you said £300 5 mins ago.

yeah but i can see this sheikh looking fella looking at it as well now. he'll give me £450 for it, never use it, then buy a more expensive one off me and sell it back to me for a tenner!!

same thing no?? haha

24 Jul 2012 13:15:25
personally i think sao paulo have been taking the mick keep raising the price and every time we offer it raising it again. Still think it'll happen think the agent is trying to screw us. Boss wouldn't have mentioned it if he wasn't confident. He wont want to look silly after all.

24 Jul 2012 12:52:53
1st time posting on here but read through all the posts daily ! I have to smile at how emotionally charged people get when something negative appears about a transfer that is on the verge of ( supposedly ) happening then one word from poor media sources blows peoples expectations to smithereens !! We can all see what is required regarding positional additions but please, take a step back, enjoy our few days of summer and let the management work some magic on the limits that their budgets allow ! You never know, there may still be some value in the market yet once the merry-go-round gets into top gear !!

BIG DOGG

24 Jul 2012 12:37:42
Wouldn't be too worried about these reports about Moura. Fergie would not have come out with his comments yesterday if he wasn't confident in signing the kid. I'm pretty sure the guy isn't even Lucas Moura's agent as I'm sure it's his father

fearny

24 Jul 2012 12:29:06
For people saying Moura's agent is holding out for more money and this is the reason he saying ''the deal is off , you should know that they wouldnt do this because fergie dosen't like to be messed around , if the agent has come out to say the deal is off , belive me the deal is off

23 Jul 2012 23:01:22
do any of the ed's know if there is any interest in River Plates Lucas Ocampos or Ezequiel Cirigliano from any of man united, city, chelsea??

OXred {Ed004's Note - I don't}

24 Jul 2012 12:04:12
Fergie has said that we are looking at both Van Persie and Moura. I think with Hazard, RVP and Moura if them bids all fail then we are going to look weak. This no value in the transfer market speil is a just an excuse we are the club that originally had paid for the most expensive teenager in the world and the most expensive defender in the world.

I know nothings final but I can see us getting none of our number 1 transfer targets!

24 Jul 2012 11:24:44
Well I'm hardly surprised that the Moura deal isn't as secure as some people here would like to believe. Bigger bids than what we allegedly offered have already been rejected and if Fergie thinks 34m for Hazard is silly money, then we can safely say that we aren't going to put up a similar fee for this kid.

But we're trying and that's what's really important because you don't win titles with players you actually buy. It's the players who you just miss out on, every year, that give you the edge. But then again I'm not a real fan so what do I know.

Danny Pughnited

To be the best you buy the best!

SIMPLE

MUFC1990

DPU

Out of interest, if you had £60m to spend, would you spend big on a big name, or get a few more in?

I'd rather
Kagawa
Lewandowski
Izza
Cabeye

Than
Kagawa
Modric/Moura

I just think the impact would be greater.

DodgyBanter

I'd disagree MUFC1990. It is not simple in the slightest. To be the best you have to have a fantastic youth set-up, brilliant coaches to nurture young and raw talent through the ranks, installing a winning mentality. You then need to decide when is the best time to set them up for the biggest stages. You need to judge every area of their development, ability, mentality and personal life. You then need the right blend of youth and experience. Then you need a manager that can not only choose all of that, but also recognise the areas we are lacking and if need be purchase the best player to fit that role in the squad, again taking into account their ability, mentality, personality and personal life.

APC

We need a cm and lb as a necessity. So if it comes down to one "superstar" versus top players who can do a job in the areas we are really lacking, then it should be no choice. I don't think a new striker is top priority, but I certainly think that Lewandowski makes far more sense than Van Persie.

Danny Pughnited

We arnt bringing in our youth like we used to, pogba, Morrison, left because of no first team opportunities.

I agree with you can't just buy players for the sake I buying but we need to strenthern as our current crop is below par.

Kagawa and powell are great additions but we need at least 2 more players.

I agree with MUFC1990 as to be the best u buy the best but not to the extent of 5 or 6 maybe 1 2 more.

I agree DPU

What worries me is that we'll go for a big money name just to show we can, even if we don't really need... That would be criminal!

We all fall for the paper talk hook line and sinker... Every time!

DodgyBanter

24 Jul 2012 11:17:19
can someone link me to the original article where lucas moura's agent says "The deal's OFF"

SSN mobile news page

24 Jul 2012 11:08:19
The Moura story is still on Sky Sports it has not been taken off.

REDMAN

24 Jul 2012 10:52:34
This is weird. Sky Sports was the first writing about the Lucas deal was off, and other newspapers copied it. Now Sky Sports have removed the article. Don't believe this story for a single second. I'm confident we will get him.

Moen#7

24 Jul 2012 10:42:18
Why don't we put in a £25m bid for Messi whilst we are at it? As clearly we are not taking anything serious when it comes to buying talent. Ferguson and the Glazers are a total joke. I've lost all respect for Ferguson. He has jumped into bed with a family of persons who've taken our amazing club from one of the richest in the world to one of the poorest. For Ferguson to them describe them as "great" is a total lack of respect to the true United fans (or as he describes us "wee bunch" who are against the Glazer family). He is clearly getting paid big money to protect the Glazer name and keep going as if nothing is wrong, when we all know Ferguson is the main man at OT and if he said from day one that the Glazers were bad for the club, they wouldn't be there now.

There's too many people saying in "Fergie we trust" and he can do what he wants simply down to his fantastic record but the guy is now 70 and well past his best. We've been in a false position for three or four years now and the reason we won the league on a number of occasions during this period was simply down to Ronaldo's magic, a bit of luck and a drop in standard in the rest of the league. We didn't deserve to win anything last season as the blagging continued.

So we are now in a position where Fergie keeps making excuses about why we haven't signed this player and haven't signed that player when the fact is, we haven't got the funds or Ferguson's stubborness is getting in the way. Bitter comments about Hazard clearly show he's throwing his toys out of his pram as we didn't get our man. So what next? "Moura is too overpriced, agent is greedy" speech again. Van Persie - "too much of a gamble for a 29 year old and no sell on price". Followed by, "no value in the market" rubbish.

He's already cushioning the blow by saying things like, "Carrick is a key player for us" - really? No chance on Earth.

I've been going to Old Trafford since I was 7 years old (1984-85 season) and moved to Poland to live with my Polish gf a year ago but still continue to fly back for every home game. It's in my blood and nothing will change that. Ferguson has given me the happiest footballing days of my life but for the last three or four seasons I am beginning to dislike the guy so much for the whole Glazer affair and not telling us the truth. Could you imagine if Mourinho was in charge. His first press conference if asked about transfers, he'd easily speak up and say, "we have limited funds or no money" then the muppet fans who think the Glazers aren't bad for the club may rethink.

Let's hope he proves me wrong and actually ups his game in the transfer market and signs the players mentioned above and not take another plunge on nobody players, young players with potential but not proven, etc.

Whatever happens, I'll be there at every home game cheering the team on however average the majority of the team maybe but I'm happy to stick my neck out and say I'm now not bothered about the day Ferguson retires as I think we need a total shake up at the club and maybe then, finally the truth will come out.

Pretty negative, pretty scathing but if we start the new season with Kagawa Powell and say, Dembele, after being 'linked' with Moura, Modric, Hazard, RVP I'll agree with every word.

RED_SKY

I cant believe you even bothered to post that. Some 'fans' sound like they are going to start a Fergie out campaign!

Are you all thick! We didn't win the league because Aguero popped up in the 95th minute of a match and scored! Stop crying! In 2004-06 we didn't win the league for 3 seasons yet Fergie got everything right and we won 4 titles, a champs league, a couple of carling cups and the world club cup, not to mention featuring in 2 more CL Finals where we were beaten by a team in their peak who dont lose.

Do you really think one season without a trophy, even that had a small bit of silverwear, will end us? You are not a true fan in my eyes, even if you go to every home game a true fan would stick up for Fergie no matter what.

1redarmy

Fergie is seeming a tad soft now though.
can understand OP's frustrations but no one knows whats going on tbh. time will tell

ms85

Can everyone remember how our midfield were crushed by City, Spur, Chelski... last season? While Chelski signs Hazard, Oscar... and City remain strong, we will have a trophyless season again if we only got Kagawa, Powell this summer.
The richest sport franchise in the world, will become another Arsenal, hanging around top 4 but always trophyless.

This is ridiculous, Kagawa is a great signing, classic Fergy... All wrapped up before the other big clubs could stick their beak in.

The way the Hazard deal panned out I'm glad he chose Chelski. He had trouble written all over him, and I'd rather keep Nani and let him continue to develop.

Moura us a massive fee (if it is to be believed) I'm stunned we're in for him at that price, he is not proven, holds onto the ball too much, has decision making issues (sound familiar) but suddenly he's the messiah.

Seems that people just want to see big money signings to prove we can compete with Chelski and Citeh. What we need is quality signings, couldn't give a rats ass what the fees are.

I do trust Fergy, we will be challenging next year. Try not to buy into all the paper talk!

DodgyBanter

Buying into the paper talk? What like actually believing that we're making bids for these overpriced talents?

The papers are bigging us up mate - they're linking us to every tom, dick and harry as per usual.

It's us fans who are doubting those stories, who are not buying into the paper talk.

RED_SKY

24 Jul 2012 10:22:25
So according to mouras agent the deal is off, personally I can't see fergie admitting interest yesterday only to stop negotiations today I think there pushing united to up the bid, still got a feeling he will sign but personally think its going to drag a lot longer!, also don't think van Persie will be coming think united will launch a bid for lewendowski

Comments please.


Dwright

'It is a risk not selling Lucas, but we are going to take it,’

Paolo president Juvenal Juvencio

This was said a while ago, but clearly wasn't true as we were in negotiations afterwoulds.

Red Joe

Red joe.

Yeah I saw that but doesn't mouras fee go up every year so as from August it's 30% but then next year will rise again, I think a bid of 35 mil would get Sao Paulo to sell as they would get a higher sum, I heard a rumour that moura was willing to drop his 20% If I'm correct.. I think as we are the only team in for him the agent is trying to get Sao Paulo and himself more money.


Dwright

24 Jul 2012 10:03:35
Reported Mouras agent saying Utd deal off as Utd reached the limit on fee they will goto,I wouldn't say its the end of it more of a game play by Utd to put pressure on player to push for deal if he really wants it,Next few weeks will show us where Utd are,Sign Moura/RVP to go along with Kag/powell&Fans excitement&belief grows&a message sent out to city,if the other way fail to sign like RVP/Moura& left with same cover excuses which don't think will wash anymore,the Glazer issue will rise again&the feeling for season a head will be struggle to reclaim title

24 Jul 2012 09:55:34
Ribeiro, one of the leading agents in South America, does not think Moura will be moving anywhere this summer after United's bid was rejected.

"They have reached their limit," Ribeiro told UOL.

"Lucas Moura won't leave. He is happy at Sao Paulo. We have to forget this subject. There is no possibility he leaves now.

"Manchester United made an offer, which was rejected and they won't make another one as they have reached their limit."
jred

24 Jul 2012 09:51:14
Sky says the agent of Moura said united reached there limits the deal is off . Is this tru can any of the eds shine a light on the subject .....

24 Jul 2012 09:39:16
I think Chelsea will come in 3rd and it will be a battle of Manchester again for the top spot. Lets see how the Chelsea manager deals with all the new players coming in and the big egos of the current players. Roman is not a patient man and I still believe he wants a big name manager.""""
dear unnamed sir
ngiak has rarely not been optimistic every season
but kagawa and powell?
chelsea and manchester city have squads that are wayyy out of our stratosphere
an implosion of epic proportions of both clubs will have to occur for us to match them
ngiak keeps reading about the potentials of blackett etc
they have hazard, lukaku and much more as their "talent" etc
blackett, and the other youngsters are at best championship standard as are most of the other players
our stars are still giggs and scholes?
ngiak is never a believer of buying big
but with the relative "dearth" of good youth
and the aging stars and the average other players like anderson etc
we better start picking up the slack that we have allowed the last 7 years
or else we may even be looking up to the likes of spurs etc..
gan

We have only signed Kagawa and Powell but who have City signed? And by how much did they beat us last season? I don't see how that puts them stratospheres ahead TBH. Yes they might still sign someone but so might we

Gav

24 Jul 2012 08:30:48
are man utd interested in signing any defensive midfielder like roy keane or owen hargreaves because that is the major position for concern ,we need a player who can break oppositions run of play.
united were said to be interested in strootman,m'villa,tiote but nothing is confirmed
People may say carrick might be a reason but IMO carrick isnt a tough tackling midfielder, he is rather a good passer of the ball.
and if we wont sign a defensive midfielder is SAF considering Jones for this role
ED please comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

24 Jul 2012 06:38:43
to everyone saying valencia needs to be in the team,
I DOUBT WE WILL HAVE THE SAME TEAM 2 WEEKS IN A ROW.
Valencia was our player of the year last year: you don't know how he is going to perform this year, we didnt have kagawa nor hopefully Lucas, nani and lucas could play so well that they are undropable like ronaldo used to be. none of us no what fergie is thinking, I missed the game v amazulu, could someone tell me who played where? thanks

AUSRED

24 Jul 2012 01:37:13
Why are people caught up on RVP? Why spend 20 odd mil on a near 30 year old who has had a good 18 months out of a possible 8 years or so at arsenal and needs constant resting. RalphWiggy

RVP may have had some injury problems but you cannot say the guy has had 18 good months in 8 years. When fit he has consistently scored and set up goals. In the last 6 years his ratio has been better than 1 in 2, its just that he has missed large chunks of each season until last year.

TK-Red