Manchester United Banter Archive March 24 2014

24 Mar 2014 22:30:25
Don't think it's been talked about on here much so thought I would bring it up.

Interesting that we have won the most away points from home this season in the PL. Considering are home form has been so poor means it's difficult to pin point why this is.

Either way doesn't that make us the most likely English team to beat Bayern Munich in the second leg? ;). On a serious note I do think have the second leg away could be a blessing in disguise although I still expect us to come up short

Hopefully we can do one over City tomorrow night.

I hope so too. I just got my ticket for the second leg today. unfortunately I'll be sitting in the Bayern section, but what the heck.
jomo

24 Mar 2014 19:33:44
Here's a question that is going to be tough for you's and will tug at you.

Tomorrow you play City.
A win for United would open up the League and give Liverpool a chance of winning the EPL.

So the question.

Do you want to win tomorrow and open up the door for Liverpool or do you want City to win and increase their chances to win the league?

This is for SENSIBLE banter please. I know some will not care so to those please don't answer. I just wondered out of the two teams you would prefer to open the door to. (And I know you would ALL prefer Chelsea or Arsenal to win it but the EPL WILL not affect either of them by the result of tomorrows game)

Cheers guy's.

vrcomp.

First of all you assumptions are all inaccurate. I always want us to win, the opposition is irrelevant, in competitive matches. My personal choices for winning the league would be Arsenal or Liverpool.

So to answer your question, damn straight, I want us to win.

24 Mar 2014 20:03:14
My preference in order to win the league
would be arsenal city chelsea and anyone other than liverpool.
That said I want us to win tomorrow and every game. If Liverpool win and take advantage so be it. I remember last game of 95 season when pool beat b;ackburn but we didn't beat west ham and lost by a point.
I understand the question but i'm not worried who wins it when we dont. IMO Liverpool are playing the leagues most attractive football intertwined with fantastic individual performances by several players in different games. Keep what you have and add some top defenders and you will prove a good challenge to us next season because we will be back and you know it you hope and pray we will screw up like you lot and go missing for 20 odd years but you know it ain't going to be like that see you next season I wonder to your guys have the bottle? IEnjoy the ride IMO you will come up just short and next season will be tougher no doubt about it. ;o)

My preference to win the league is anyone except the dreaded scousers and Arsenal (can't stand Wenger). Doesn't worry me if City or Chelsea win. I am more concerned about us developing our squad to be able to mount a genuine challenge next season following the debacle that has been this season.

Hi Ken

I have no doubt about it. Unlike a lot of rivalries with supporters in football I don't have that kind inside of me.
I think given the right additions next season Utd will be a force in the league. But imo it will depend on whether you's can get the right players if you do not qualify for CL. (Don't forget you can still get there if you win this seasons competition)
And Grund, good on you. You should always want to win every game.
I have never been one to get hot under the collar over footballing issues.
Its never easy to see a club on the slide. Most of my brothers are Leeds supporters and I don't think there has been much more of a dramatic slide than that. lol.
I just wondered which of the teams, and unless there is a dramatic slide in fortune's that this season is between City, Chelsea and Liverpool.
At the moment its Cities to lose. I have said that since Christmas. But should they lose tomorrow against you guys then it becomes Pools to lose.
I was just wondering what you as Utd supporters would be more happy with as in theory Utd COULD hold the key to where the trophy ends up this season.
vrcomp

Never understood fans who say they'd rather lose a game, just to hurt someone else.

You seem to be under the assumption that Liverpool have what it takes to overcome Chelsea. I suppose it is a possibility - but in my opinion the only team that would benefit from us beating City are Chelsea. Given that Arsenal look out of the running now; Chelsea are the team I would most like to see win the league.

If we're talking hypothetically and beating City guaranteed Liverpool the title - I'd still want us to win. I still recall when Liverpool rolled over against Chelsea and gave them the league in the 09-10 season. It demonstrated a clear lack of class which I'd like to think is beneath a great club like Manchester United.

For the foreseeable future, however, it seems as though our chances of beating City are exceedingly slim and thus the knowledge that in defeat we prevented Liverpool from winning the title would soften the blow of being beaten considerably. As long as we gave it our best, that is.

I just want to win, and then I will root against Pool winning the league.

Jeeeesh, that's a hard regarding the title. As I live in MK, it is made up of a lot of Cockney spin offs (as well as other castaways) who moved here to build the place. So I have a certain hatred towards gooners, as they don't shut up about anything and always moan and gloat when it's unjust (IMO). So for me it's Chelsea, City, then a coinflip between the scousers and gooners.

24 Mar 2014 21:46:42
Hi vrcomp,
Whatever the next couple of months have in-store for your team its tough watching in from the outside for a change. I think it will be close and that you will come up short against the big 2 at home and I think it will come down to experience.
Manchester United will remain a big draw for big players next season but we will have to pay a little over the odds in fees and wages. Remember City signed many a big star kompany toure silva etc before that had champions league footie you got Saurez without it so its not a major concern as long as its not a prolonged period and I doubt it will be because they will fix t this year I believe. The Gla$er$ have to to protect their investment.
I have many friends that support Liverpool that have had nothing to cheer about in the league since they were doing their old o levels so its nice for them to get their old silver Candy Jerseys out most of them are hitting 40 and look a bit like Jan molby now themselves

I want utd to win simples. If u are good enough and ready to win the league u should regardless what happens tomorrow night.
Unlike Liverpool and in particular Gerrard, I dnt want us to roll over just to stop u winning the league, I have never really been caught up in what u are doing and won't be doing so now!
U are playing amazing football just enjoy it.

I don't care about the rest. I want us to beat city. Simple as that!

I want us to win tomorrow, but when it comes down to who I would prefer to win the League out of the current top 4, I'm going to go for City - mainly because it's good for Manchester over London and Liverpool. Now that I'm old and don't have to put up with certain City supporters and their infuriating inferiority complexes, I find myself antipathy has lessened. Besides which they are historically the least successful of the group so they don't threaten any of United's records.

As much as I hate to say it they have set up a great organization and have committed to the long term development of the neighbourhood and to youth development. There is much within the club and what they are doing that United should look at, because frankly the world has been moving on. SAF was like a successful version of King Canute, but even he couldn't hold out forever. United needs a bit of a makeover.

Completely agree with Steven

Some nice points there and very well put.
Yes Ken I am sure some of the top players will see that Utd are still a force and will come to you because they know you will challenging next year.
As for looking in from the outside you don't have to tell me about it. With the exception of a few high's in the last 20 years that's what I have been doing so I know how it feels.
I have to disagree with you on Suarez. He was not the player he is now when he joined Pool. Many teams would not touch him because of his antics at Ajax and we took the gamble. I think the management have a lot to do with his current form last season and this and NOW he will only stay should we qualify this season. If we don't he will be off. And if I am honest I am not sure he will still be here next season if RM come knocking on our door regardless of what he may say about wanting to experience the "European nights at Anfield"
CTR. Great to see you emerging back on the boards. You and your family have been in my thoughts and prayers of late and I hope all is going well with Jack and your wife. Good luck to you all in the future.
As for the rest. Valid points all.
Good luck for tonight and the rest of the season. And looking forward to next year when you have bought some new players. Will be great for the game to see you up there challenging for the title next year.
vrcomp

I want United to win, but if we lose it helps that once again, "next year" will be the scousers year!

24 Mar 2014 17:29:40
Would it be possible to ask a genuine question without all the nutters jumping on here and saying 'Liverpool supporter' 'troll' etc etc?
Surely the majority of you will accept (even if
you can't say it to me) that Ferguson dealt Moyes a terrible hand.
A terrible squad to inherit. A mixture of too old, too rash, too poor, along with two or three (max) who are good enough for the top 6 in the league. I've no need to list the players under the headings 'I've given as you people know them even better than I do. But left with a terrible squad and expected to keep doing well. It will take three windows to get close to putting things right.
Disney - don't just come on and say 'won the
league last season'. We know that - but that time has gone and 'himself' jumped ship asap

Moyes inherited an aging squad, but a good squad nonetheless. This very same squad minus Fellaini, Adnan & Mata finished 29 points ahead of Liverpool last season and won the league by 11 points. If SAF was still in charge we would be in the race for the title now, I doubt we would have finished ahead of City, but we would be up there now. I just think the squad dealt with the transition poorly and got worried without SAF in charge.

To be honest our squad has been average for a couple of seasons now I think the only reason we won the league was because of fergie
and I do think fergie thought it was time to get out now rather than try and build another team only to leave in a year or 2 and for another manager to come in and want he's own players

A week ago, Liverpool beat us. but that time has gone. so your point is?

Oh come on - I know it might be sacrilege to suggest AF stitched anyone up . but.
Ferdinand, Evra, Giggs have all finished. Vidic is a shadow. Young,
Anderson, Fletcher - you tell me!
Rafael - red card waiting to happen
RvP - sick note waiting to happen
Rooney - forever sulking because
RvP came in and took the glory

Fergie jumped ship because he knew the squad needed major changes and knew the Glazers wouldn't give him that money after the current squad had won the league by 11 points

May I, a non-nutter, respond?

It was not an ideal squad. There were not many players who had great seasons last year. To name a few: RVP first half in particular, Carrick, Rafael, de Gea, Evans. But Rooney, Valencia, Nani, Anderson, Evra (in defence), Cleverley, Welbeck (at least as a scorer), Giggs (cameo/too old) and Young all had mediocre seasons. Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Jones spent half the season out injured or played in the wrong position. Many of us feel it was SAF's most astonishing achievement to win the league with this squad. In Europe we were garbage for the most part.

This type of season has been coming for a while now. The question is whether Moyes has made the decline worse than it should have been. Most of us think yes. At this point in time you could easily make a case for it taking another couple of years to rebuild, but the Glazers may not have that much time without experiencing a substantial financial impact, so I would expect significant investment in the summer, despite us not being in the CL.

You could also make the case that Moyes is not the man. Personally I would put Rodgers, Mourinho, Pellegrini, Wenger and Martinez (in that order) above him as far as coaching ability is concerned. IMO Rodgers gets manager of the season if Liverpool come in 3rd or above (which I believe they will).

Peashooter I never had you earmarked as a nutter - they know who they are. I take your point about the Glazers not being able (or willing) to take the financial hit during your travails BUT you cannot correct your problems too quickly. You cannot integrate 5/6/7 first teamers (which is what you need) all at once and expect anything but a full season for them all to gel. Hence my 3 windows comment.

Oh - and I think we will get 2nd

Puzzled,

With the right 4/5 additions in the summer we could have a very good squad indeed. The needs have been identified by more savvy tacticians than I.

The question is whether Moyes can a) identify the needs b) acquire the players to fill them, c) settle on his tactical approach and d) instill some sustained spirit back into our play. If he can, then I would expect us to be back in contention next season, when, like Liverpool this year, our squad will not be so physically taxed by being in 4 tournaments.

Peashooter - read your post with interest if not total agreement. However, when I got to your last sentence - OUCH

24 Mar 2014 15:08:24
8 goals in 21 games and some are absolute stunners, we had the answer to our problems all along but were too shallow to realise, the man I am talking about is of course Bebe, back form injury with a bang and he'll be back from his loan spell at the end of the year ;)

He is having a better season than zaha

Please NO!

9 goals in 31 appearances overall and no goals in Europe in 5 appearances will certainly turn our season around next year

Superb player, truly underrated and worth way more than the bargain price of £7.4million we paid for him

I've heard rumours that Real Madrid want him and Bendtner to be their new strike-force. Anyone else heard this?

Bebe will be starting next year alongside kone. Leon osman who is superb and a great freind will also join . You guys moaning about defense, jakielka and distin will join. Howard as keeper

24 Mar 2014 12:50:25
This summer is really excitin world cup ties full summer. As well as I as a Manchester united supporter may well see a wholesome change at the club.
So many of current players leaving or getting sold, thus needed to be replaced either internally or from the transfer window.
Definite players leaving are Rio; vidic; Anderson. Players whom club wants to move on are: young; nani; Hernandez;kagawa.

Now by no means I am expecting 8 to 9 players coming in.
So logically we may see 1 exp cb along with Michael Keane to fill 2 space. And if Keane/Smalling/Jones don't justify themselves we may see another establish cb coming in either Jan or next summer.
In a lb position we may see shaw coming in as ever as option.( do any1 expect 2 lb purchase?)
Press is linking us with Coleman. We do need a genuine rb in as Rafael hasn't grown the way its expected for him but still we may see internal promotion of vermijk/ Urugvayan kid.
Now most important cm's. There are all chances we may see two of carvalho; gundogan;kroos;Vidal; pogba; sami khadira; verratti( press list is very long)
As nick Powell is coming in we may not see Hernandez replacement as club is well stocked there.

Emergence of janujaz; purchase of Mata are factors we may not see player like reus coming in; but an out and out left footed quick winger will provide different aspect. Don't rule out griezman/shaqiri for this.

So overall its 1 cb, 1 lb, 2 cms, 1 winger to come minimum.
And those players will change total look of game we play now a days.
CNT wait for that time to start.

Agree entirely with most important positions to fill. Some more players who don't figure may leave too Macheda etc. Shaw would be brilliant but Coentrau rumours are starting again and he's good and much cheaper. CB Garay would be a good and fairly cheap option. CM's is where we need to get the balance right, Gundogan and Kroos for instance would not work, either of the 2 with Carvalho or Vidal would. Griezmann stands out for me amongst left wingers, anyone who saw him torment Barca a few weeks ago had to be impressed.

24 Mar 2014 09:31:06
Genuinely excited for tomorrow. Would be more confident with RVP but not to worry. Ed002 said that he thought we would in future set up with two solid midfielders, two up front and then two inside forward, sort of like a 4-2-2-2 or a 4-2-4. I hope that is what we see tomorrow. Welbeck and RVP up top, Mata and Kagawa behind and Fellaini alongside Carrick in the middle. I also hope that Buttner starts as I think that he needs to get games before we play Bayern.

This system lends itself to the players that we are being linked with. Carvalho alongside Fellaini would be very solid, as would Kroos. We could play a high line with Jones and Garay, Shaw and Rafael would provide good width and if we could get a new winger in as a different option we would be in good shape - someone like Pedro.

And Rooney?!

Sorry, meant Rooney and Welbeck up top tomorrow, my mistake!

I think Fresh meant Rooney not RVP for tomorrow. With a fully fit team I think we would struggle against City or any top teams. Our lack of pace in midfield and injuries in defence will only make it harder. I hope i'm wrong of course but I fear we could lose big just hope we show the fight and team spirit of the last 2 games.

The lads have a point to prove, I think they will at worst put in a very hard shift.

24 Mar 2014 14:41:38
Fresh you are going to get proper tonked so don't get to excited.

Shame we don't get to run rings around you again to be honest.

Hope Buttner plays against some quality opposition tommorow there is a difference between Navas and some West Ham winger who's name I can't think of

"Shame we don't get to run rings around you again to be honest."

Shame you will nothing this season :)

CGU, I wish we can say that to Marcellus, but the truth is they have mourinho and that gives them a very good chance of winning the league.

24 Mar 2014 03:44:43
Rumours are starting to circulate that Mourinho may be willing to let Lukaku go in the next transfer window. If Moyes is after another striker then I think Lukaku would be the way to go. He is much younger than other targets mentioned and has proven himself in the premier league, not to mention that he would probably cost half the price of other potential targets like Costa/Cavani/Falcao. If it happens, we would get quality cover for RVP and Rooney, which is what any new strikers would be and it would free up more money to spend on areas of the pitch we need to strengthen. What do you guys think?

He or Morata would be good signings. RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and one of those two with Henriquez or Wilson as back up would be excellent.

I think Wilson is going to shock the world next season he is gaining the muscle to cope with the first team, he is as fast as Walcott with the finishing of Micheal Owen he actually looks like a 6 inch taller left footed version of him and he can become a superstar over night. I would like Lukaku or Morata but only if RVP was to leave and I hope he does not as he is better than both players mentioned and would be the perfect striker to train Wilson up they have similar styles both left footers and both 6, 2 Wilson could really lean a lot of Robin and i'm shore that's the plan to get Wilson to be the heir to RVP and learn as much as he can of the old master