Manchester United Banter Archive May 24 2012

 

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24 May 2012 23:18:04
From the Daily Mail, article posted about 20 mins ago:
"Manchester United close in on midfield duo Kagawa and Hazard"

See the DM site for the full article. Very interesting if any of it is actually true.

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Daily Fail said last week that we had signed Nick Powell on a 5 year deal for 4m. Then the Crewe boss said he hasnt even recieved a bid for the player. I wont believe any transfer until i see the player sitting down with fergie and gill and actually signing the paper

Dylan

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24 May 2012 23:14:21
Firstly, I'm going to apologize, this post may have some length to it because I want to give my opinion on a few matters I've seen posted up today and the last day or so.

Let's start with SAF and his replacement.

His age seems to have caught up with him quite a lot and even though his health may deteriorate I believe he'll be self denial and want to continue. But lets look past this because we don't actually know if anything health wise is bothering SAF (Hopefully he's perfectly fine), but at some point we'll have to look for a replacement so I'm going to assume he steps down next summer, so here are my candidates;

1) Mourinho - I don't think this needs justifying, he's the best manager on the planet and in my opinion if he wins the UCL with Madrid and then comes to United and does it with us then I will regard him as the best EVER.

2) Loew - he's a brilliant manager. Although I have concerns about how he'll transform from managing an international side to one of the best in the country. Going by what I have seen it looks like he commands the respect of all his players and he knows how to mix youth with experience perfectly.

3) Ancelotti - Why Chelsea sacked him I'll never know, he's a born winner and is very much like SAF in the way he operates. I would absolutely love to have him at United in the future.

They're my top 3 candidates. I don't think we can really comment on the likes of Giggs, Keane, OGS, etc. They've still got a lot to prove as do managers like Moyes, Hughes, Lambert, etc. so for that reason I don't think they'll get the job unless they do something brilliant.

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Okay, onto the next issue, the formation and tactical approach to next season, well....I think we'll go into games with a 4-4-1-1/4-5-1 formation which will develop into a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 formation based on the players job. I personally think we'll look at playing with 2 deep players in the EPL and then opt for 1 deep player in European games.

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Kagawa/Hazard

Okay, so I think by now whoever is signing Hazard knows they are, this is why I believe we know we've missed out on him and have instead gone in for Kagawa. If we can get both then great I would love both as would I love to have 1 or the other.

If both come in then I would expect 1 or 2 from; Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Young, Nani, Petrucci or Toni to leave - Most likely being Anderson, Nani or Petrucci. The reason I say this is because it will be pretty much impossible to keep all of these guys happy. I mean how could we have Kagawa, Hazard, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Young, Nani, Petrucci and Toni in the same 25 man squad? especially when we're like to go with 4 attacking players one of which will be the forward, two of which will be wingers and the other two are likely to be advanced attacking playmakers.


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Judging by the rumours of the likes of Asamoah I think it's clear to see that we're looking for the B2B midfielder to go along side the Deeplying playmaker in Carrick. There are obviously various options to choose from...

We could go for the cheap safe options in the form of somebody like Essien but his injury record is a put off, but then we've got players like:

1) Asamoah -What a beast of a man, very good player although he wouldn't be top of my wanted list to play that role.

2) M'villa - I think he's going to be the next Essien, The next M.Diarra, The next Yaya Toure. he's going to be one of the best and at £25 Million he's worth it IMO. Although IF he goes to Arsenal then I would expect it to free up Song, who as a defensive minded midfielder and at only 23/24 Is a quality player. Many people think he's average (E.G Syd) but I think he's one of the best around and I would happily welcome him to Old Trafford although I can never see it happening personally.

3) Inler - I still don't know why this guy isn't on top of the world. what a shift he puts in for Napoli and allows the likes of Hamsik and Lavezzi to go forward without having to worry about defending.

I think i'll leave it at 3/4 options.

I think I've covered everything to an extent, so yeah, have a great evening guys!

The Moon.

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Although I agree Mourinho is a fine manager and hopefully our next manager, he can not even be compared to SAF as he has won nowhere near the amount that he has and has not been at the top for nowhere near as long.

FredtheRed

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Fredthered, I know as reds we have our allainces with Sir Alex and the thought of anyone else scares us but mourinhos career is still quite short compared to Fergies and he has won something every single year i think.

He is the man I would want as he would rebuild us as a european fortress, unless fergie does it first.

1redarmy

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'FredTheRed'

What SAF has achieved is brilliant but look at Mourinho's record with EVERY club he's been with;

- he's never finished below 2nd.
- He's won the champions league with 3 seperate clubs.
- He's won the league championship in every major league.
- a player has never said a bad word about him in terms of man management.
- Tactically he's the best on the planet.

There are so many things going for this mean right now. he's been in management for exactly 10 years and he's won a total of 19 major trophies.

In contrast to SAF being in management for 36 years and has managed to win a total of 47 major trophies.

Not really a major difference is there?

And both have done it by building completely new squads from time to time. and please don't Mourinho can't manage without money because Porto and Inter quite clearly show he can operate with as much money as SAF.

The Moon.

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Moon, two Champions League wins, not three.

Sorry ;)

MPez

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Oops! My mistake. either way, it'll be 3 next season ;).

The Moon.

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Didn't he spend close to £100 million at Inter?

Percy

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He did Percy, correct, but SAF has been known to spend similar amounts in the past or amounts that add up to £100 Million today if you include inflation.

The Moon.

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Ronaldo said fergy is like a father figure but morinho is the best manager in the world
Jred

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24 May 2012 22:54:10
Please please please can't we go back to the Sniejder rumours. Last summer was so much fun to see how people would mis-spell his name. Hazard is far too easy.

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And yet you managed to do it too ;) Sneijder.

TK-Red

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TK-Red

I know ;)

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He was being ironic. Jez, people are so wound up for a pedantic stab at this site.

SC {Ed007's Note - Who is Jez?}

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Nearly fell for it Ed :)

SC

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Who is wound up SC? Get yourself a cup of tea and chill out mate ;)

TK-Red

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It was my first post on this site after months in the stands. I guess I was just too eager to get in the mix TK - RED :)

SC

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24 May 2012 22:53:49
I feel the importance of an incoming striker is necessary for our squad. Berbatov will inevitable leave, leaving Rooney, wellbeck and of course hernandez. I feel we need a front man who can work hard unlike berbatov. Macheda and Bebe are lacking experience, we need somebody more mature.

A central midfielder would be my priority, why? Anderson and pogba look likely to leave, leaving a recuperating fletcher return could be risky. Scholes and giggs are getting old, still good though. Really we only have cleverly and carrick the other central mids plus jones can play there.

Hazard i don't realistically think he will come to us. I feel man city and chelsea are the likely candidates because he would play often. Man utd he would play often but it would be the most competing wingers he would come aganist. Thirty million doesn't give you first team football, he needs to work so why would he see on the bench because the possibility could be high.

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24 May 2012 22:51:57
I see all these new players and formations being
discussed what do people think of a five,two,three,ie
de gea
valencia smalling,rio,vidic,evra
cleverly martinez
hazard rooney kagawa
what are peoples opinion on something like this

redpop

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That formation is massively narrow, we wouldn't see the ball at all and would find it massively hard to keep possession against sides who play with a packed midfield.

The only formation I would have that has 5 at the back would actually be more like having 2 at the back...

---------------DDG
----------Small----Vidic
Raf-----------Jones--------LB/LWB
-----Carrick--------Box2box
--------Hazard---Kagawa
------------Rooney

- And I even think this formation is still to narrow and a little bit of a bitch to play. Plus leaving out guys like Nani, Young and Toni would mean that Hazard and Kagawa would HAVE to produce. At least with a 4-4-2/4-3-3 you'll have wingers and midfielders to help you create goals so you've got two sources of creativity.

The Moon.

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I dont see the facination with playing 3 or 5 at the back. Feels a bit to much like playing FIFA to me!

It's taken us this long for SAF to consider tweaking the old 442 a bit, lol

I think and hope we play 4231 next year with 2 holding mids, 3 attacking mids and Rooney up top, for example:

-------DDG-------
Raf-Small-Vidic-Izza
---Carrick-Stroot---
Nani--Kagawa--Hazard
------Rooney-----

I think we will revert back to 451 or 4411 for some games with more direct wingers e.g. Valencia, Young

Gav

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Playing 5 at the back 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs and 3 upfront 2 pushing forward from back when attacking and when defending 1-2 dropping back from front gives great balance going both ways and wing backs also give good width it seems to me to be a possible win win situation
redpop

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24 May 2012 22:48:03
Hazard - Time to clear the air once and for all....

He has agreed personal terms with each interested club. That's United, City and Chelsea. For all we know, he might have agreed £200k per week from city, and £50 a week from us. Point is it's sorted and agreed. So please stop this mercenary rubbish, he demanding No. 10 stuff, etc. etc.

The current stage is Lille trying to agree a transfer fee with the perspective clubs. For the sake of Lille, Hazard cannot publically come out and say 'I only want to move to club 'A' as this would harm Lille in their negotiations. Lille will privately know Hazard's preferred destination, and will prioritise this club in respect to getting the 1st bite of the cherry. After 5 years at Lille, I suspect he'll want to respect their needs regarding them receiving the largest possible fee for the transfer, If a deal can't be reached with club 'A', option 'B' will then get an opportunity, etc.

Sometimes however, even though you're option 'A', this doesn't mean it's nailed on. Remember a chap called Ronaldinho? United was option 'A', but for our sins we wouldn't stump up another £1m on top of the pre-arranged fee, so PSG opened talks with option 'B' and Barcelona wasted no time in agreeing to the fee request, and consequently signing the worlds best player.

Eden has made his choice, and from the small pieces he's given to the press, I firmly believe it's United. The City, Chelsea and Arsenal stuff is negotational leverage in my eyes, at the request of Lille. If my thoughts are right on this matter, than it shows a quality that others have dispelled against him - loyality.

Fair play I say, and for those of you who think differently, Ronaldo showed a similar loyality to us, which enabled us to secure £80m from Real Madrid. If Ronaldo wasnt as loyal, he could have easily spat his dummy out, moaned and bitched so United would be forced to sell, thus not allowing us to demand a respectable transfer fee.

WF Red Devil

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Sources?

FredtheRed

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24 May 2012 22:31:28
I think fergie is looking to go attacking 4-5-1 with two attacking CM in kagawa and hazard with carrick behind them. They could support Rooney as well as create some genuine attacking flare football. With young and Valencia on the wings we'd have free flowing football like barca!

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24 May 2012 22:16:28
Felaini coming with Baine and linking up with Hazzard

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All 3 names spelt wrong, good effort!

GDS

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24 May 2012 21:51:45
Just my thoughts on the whole Hazard situation, if Man City had got hold of him they would be running round the city centre saying welcome to Manchester. Just like they did when signing Tevez, I can't remember the last time Chelsea kept a signing under wraps. As soon as they sign somebody it's in the papers, Man Utd always stay silent when conducting transfer buisness and that's exactly what they are doing now. These are purely my thoughts so feel free to banter...

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I think the silence is due to no club having got him yet.

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24 May 2012 21:41:41
Now some people are saying that it'll be either or Hazard or Kagawa and although they could be right i think that it's more likely both for a couple of reasons.

first off Sir Alex doesn't often buy his second choice, he has said on many occasions that if he can't get who he wants then we'll stick with what we have and see if a youngster can step up. So to be having meetings with his second choice before his first choice has rejected us seems to go against what Sir Alex has done for years.

Secondly i think it's becoming clear that we'll have a change of tactics and formation next year, with this likely change a new role will open up, with someone needed to play in the hole and with Rooney playing further forward. Now if Rooney will be played as a striker then we'd only have one player to play in this new role so i think signing two players who can play in several roles in this new system and are more specialised at playing in the hole will mean we have cover incase of injuries and for rotation purposes.

I think(hope) Kagawa is nailed on with Hazard being first choice to come in WITH Kagawa and if Hazard chooses else where then i'd expect Gaitan to come instead.

Moving on to Midfield i find the Asamoah link interesting. He plays the sort of role that Sir Alex has tried to crowbar Anderson into. My opinion of Asamoah is he is abit like Anderson in the way he runs forward with the ball, but he is a much fitter player and abit more defensive than Anderson but his vision for a through ball isn't as good. Now if you cast your mind back to the start of the season when Anderson and Cleverley were playing so well together but weren't quite defensive enough then maybe a slightly more defensive version of Anderson is just what we need especially if as rumoured that Anderson may be off to pastures new.

Potentially we could line up like this next year:

______Carrick/Cleverley__Asamoah
Valencia/Nani___Kagawa___Hazard/Gaitan?
______________Rooney

With players like Scholes, Giggs, Young, Welbeck, Hernandez, Lingard, Petrucci, Pogba?, Tunnicliffe, Brady, W.Keane Jones, Fletcher? all offering support and competition.

I think that would be very good and be awesome to watch if the tactics were right.

If Asamoah went else where then i hope we go for either Fellaini or Witsel. Maybe they've got the wrong end of the stick and were talking to Everton about Fellaini and not Baines, i hope so as although i rate Baines i don't think he's right for us.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - I would prefer M'Villa or Martinez to Asamoah tbh}

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I still worry that Fergis is going to wait to see if we get Hazard then if not buy Kagawa

Also why not Roo in the hole as he prefers it and a new striker

Pardoe {Ed004's Note - Because I think we are moving to 3 in midfield so we need wingers. don't think we are going to play a player in the hole anymore}

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Martinez i'd agree with but not M'Vila who although is a great player is a truer DM which as Sir Alex has said we don't and never have played with. People will mention Keane and Hargreaves but they were more box to box players who were defensively minded. They both offered much more going forward than M'Vila does and cover much more ground and over all of the pitch. M'Vila spends most of his time in the space between the 18 yard box and the half way line. Martinez would be a better fit. I'd prefer one of Witsel or Fellaini but it looks like Asamoah is the one were after.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - I think Fergie is going to have to change his tactics slightly tbh. I really hope we see a new number 2 so he can advise Fergie tactically...}

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Sir Alex has changed his tactic's over the years but he has never liked a out and out DM. He prefers hard working players who can go from box to box but have a solid defensive edge players like Robson Ince Keane Butt Hargreaves and Fletcher none of them could be described as a Makelele type player. I don't think he'll change his opinion on what type of players we play with as no matter the formation or the tactic's he has consistantly won things with the type of players he feels are best so i don't see him changing his ways at the age of 70. I think things have moved on from a deep sitting DM type player anyway, every player is expected to offer something going forward, even CB are expected to be able to step out of defence and play the ball out rather than hoofing it forward.

Pardoe mate i really don't think the Kagawa deal is being put off, i just think it's a case of trying to agree a fee with Dortmund before we can continue talking to Kagawa and agree terms. It just takes time. it's over 5 weeks before the window offically opens so don't worry about it. The fact that Sir Alex went so far out of his way to have a meeting with Kagawa shows he want's to sign him, and not just as second choice.

I wouldn't play Rooney in the hole as i feel his best role is up front. His passing isn't quite good enough to play in the hole and he drops too deep looking for the ball. But thats just my opinion.

Shappy

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Good points Shappy. I will fully recommend you to succeed Mike Phelan :)

SqueakyBum

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24 May 2012 21:36:38
Which one do you think could be very effective next season

4-2-3-1
_____________________De Gea________________
Rafael_________Vidic_______Smalling_______Baines
_____________Carrick__________Asamoah________
Nani_______________Kagawa______________Hazard
____________________Rooney__________________

Or
4-3-3
____________________De gea__________________
Rafael________Vidic__________Evans_________Evra
__________M'Villa____Carrick____Kagawa________
Valencia_______________________________Gaitan
___________________Rooney___________________ {Ed004's Note - Second one if you sign Hazard for Gaitan and use the money you gain from selling Evra to buy Izaguirre and play Cleverley for Carrick. M'Villa can hold the fort. Also replace Evans with Smalling who I think will be better than Rio was in his prime}

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I think if we sign Asamoah or Fellaini, Kagawa and Hazard or Gaitan and maybe someone as cover for LB then we could play either formation. We'd have a great balance between Attcking flair and defensive responsibility.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - I don't think Fellaini is good enough tbh. Would prefer someone like Martinez or M'Villa...}

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We'd all prefer Martinez but i'd prefer Messi over Hazard but it just isn't gonna happen. And i think we just need to except Martinez isn't gonna be coming and move on.

Alot of People don't rate Fellaini for some reason. Look at it this way Fellaini has been a better and more consistant player for a midtable Everton team than Valencia was for a relagation fighting Wigan and he was named our best player of last season so why do you feel that Fellaini isn't good enough? Around better player he'd step up and could be a top player for us. He has good vision, great passing, a hell of an engine and he has that physical edge we've been missing while offering a great threat from corners and free kicks and pops up with a few goals.

Shappy

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24 May 2012 21:23:45
Kagawa 12million
Hazard 32million
Lewandowski 15million
Gaitain 20million
Baines 10million
Pique 18million
Sneijder 20million Total £127million

United be back up there with the best (not a united fan)

De Gea
Smalling.pique.vidic.baines
Carrick sneijder
Valencia Kagawa Hazard
Rooney {Ed004's Note - No physicality in that midfield. Yaya would just run straight through us again...}

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Lewandowski and Gaitan to warm the bench... Smalling right back... Hmmm...

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24 May 2012 21:22:09
Lets go for someone to act as a defensive mid, aswell as hazard and kagawa, like de rossi, khadera, and stop thinking of players that will be good in like 5 years time

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24 May 2012 21:20:58
Am I the only one to be slightly bemused by all the rumours concerning so many players? Then I read that Dave Whelan is saying that the recent health scare experienced by Sir Alex has convinced him to retire at the nd of the 2012/13 season.

Is the present manic activity being directed by an unseen hand? The man who will be taking over the reins of Old Trafford and who recently stood down in Spain? {Ed004's Note - I would love to see Bielsa as our next coach, or Loew, or Blanc... Or even Mourinho if he plays good football like he is doing with Madrid. He can spot a good cheap player, Sahin, Ozil, Khedira...}

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24 May 2012 21:11:19
no way will we sign essien. he is 36.
thats why we didnt go for him when he left lyon

bwb

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Essien was utd bound until peter kenyon stuck his oar in.
johndenton

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Kenyon is a c**t

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He's 29 but i wouldn't have him as his injuries have taken there toll.

Shappy

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24 May 2012 21:55:57
Hi here is.my opinion I would love it if we got hazard but I really think he will by a city or Chelsea player all these reports saying its a done deal but I don't see any reliable sources saying that, I think if it wa a done deal then it would have come out by now !?

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Transfer cannot be done until June 1st so we would wait until its actually signed

Pardoe

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24 May 2012 20:47:57
De gea
13m
Smalling. Evens. Vidic. Baines.

22m. 13m
Young. Valencia. Sneijder. Kagawa.
32m
Hazard
Rooney

My dream line up next season in these positions no questions of silverware next year wit these newbies. I know there are other players we could go for wit the same money but these are the guys who would look great wit the famous red jersey on liftin every cup they go for around 80 million minus maybe 20 to 30 mil from outgoing sales that's 50 to 60 mil spend an if media reports are true (i know,I know) and we have 100mill to spend wel then we could really tempt another huge star wit wats left over....... Heeee heeem swinsteiger... Heeem heeheem wat a team of rising stars established talant an young blood fingers crossed for our transfer window I hope we go all out ......

Caino {Ed004's Note - I can safely say that team would win us nothing...}

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So you'd have 4 defenders and 6 out and out attackers? We'd get beat so much.

RedDevil19

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Lost me. I used google to translate ur writing, then spotted Valencia in centre mid.

No.

DodgyBanter

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So baines who is useless defending evans for however good he had been in the last few months is not better than our other cbs 2 mids who dont defend young over nani? also hazard who doesnt defend

far to attacking would be dominated

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I think this is possibly the worst line up I've ever seen in my life.

Who the hell is evens? is he really better than Rio or Jones or Evans?

The Moon.

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24 may 2012 20:35:57
eden hazard official twitter page states he thinks recess and agureo are 2 top players he likes, was posted on the 14th may, duno quite how to take it but bit if info for u. {ed004's note - recess?}

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Http :// twitter.com/#! /hazardeden10

I don't see that tweet anywhere. Here is his account.

G.A.G.U.S

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Funny that, I follow Hazard and he rarely tweets so it's not hard to find tweets made on or around the 14th May, in which he says absolutely nothing.

The Moon.

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24 May 2012 20:33:12
Pliz lets just go for kaga instead of haza

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24 May 2012 19:51:43
As much as I would like see Hazard&Kagawa sign(admit not seen lot of him)&also know the goals Rooney as got us.still think we missing that top quality hitman like we had with Ruud,Hazard,Kagawa even Rooney I wouldn't call ur all out forward more of yes will get goals but more will drop off&enjoy playin in that hole behind forward free to move create.We have always created many chances but been more less likely to take them unless its fell to Rooney,Hernandez for some reason doesn't look the same&like the job welbeck does&hes work rate is great but 30 goal a season he won't be! Also the Baines rumour at 12-15m!leave where he is!we need a right back more! {Ed004's Note - I think we need a left back more and I disagree about signing a top hitman. Where will he play if he are playing 451? Surely someone that you are describing will want to start every game and will not be happy on the bench.}

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I don't get the amount of people saying we need a rightback more than aleft back. Have the watched Evra the last 2 seasons? My mum could run past him.

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24 May 2012 19:43:24
Lad's, it's amazing how things in the football world change people's thought's so quickly.

Yesterday everyone's getting excited that we may get Hazard and Kagwa, today, due to Hazard's, supposed comments, it's Hazard OR Kagwa.

Now I'm reading that because we have put a bid in Kagwa, it's because we have missed out on Hazard!

Ok, relax, take a deep breath and let's think about it.

Is it possible we are going to line up like, Barcelona?

A water carrier, Barcelona have Biscuits, we may use Carrick or, hopefully, bring in someone else, M'Vile or fingers crossed, Martinez (although this lad will be a bit more then a water carrier!) I also think we'll line up with an extra man next to this player.

Then, an attacking threat of 4 that can rotate and interchange positions, Barcelona, Messi, Xavi, Inesta, Villa for example, us, Rooney, Kagwa, Valencia, Hazard.

So, yes we will set up in a set 4-2-3-1 formation for example, but Hazard, Rooney and Kagwa can just go, "roaming" if you like, as long they keep a basic structure.

I've not included Valencia because I feel he will tend to stick to the right but if it is Young or Nani then all 4 will interchange.

Just relax people, I wouldn't read to much into who we've bid for and who we haven't yet.

Ports

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Ports..

You're saying that people may be reading to much into the Hazard/Kagawa thing but maybe you're trying to accommodate all of the rumored signings into the same team?

Personally, I think it's one or the other but i would LOVE to have both of them.

The Moon.

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Moon,

This is what I love bout this site and what I love about you! You'll call people on what they say, if you"disagree", you'll call it and I have a lot of respect for that!

I don't think I'm trying to "accommodate" these players, I think I'm trying to see how the game is played now and how we're gonna line up!

I think, looking from an an outside perceptive, Kagwa-Scholes and Hazard, Giggs! That's our replacements! (hopefully)

I believe the game has changed and we need to follow it, not in terms of money but in terms of how it's played!

I honestly think our biggest problem is Rooney, not that he's s**t but that he is so good, where does he play?

Behind striker? No! Up top alone? No! We need a formation where he is "free" and this allows Rooney to do that! He is so good, he doesn't have a set position!

I'm on a stag do in butlins tomorrow so cannot reply for at least 3 (8) days!

Moon, looking forward to your thoughts :)

Ports

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I completely agree that the game has changed and we need to look at something like you're suggesting, here's the issue though, we've got one of the most stubborn, stuck in his ways managers in the world. Will he see it like that? Personally I think he won't.

Maybe he will sign both but I can't see both being played through he middle so that would most likely mean Hazard is going to be an inside forward in the style of somebody like Sanchez or he'll be given a role similar to Ronaldo's at Madrid.

My opinion on Rooney is simple, when he plays as a striker he scores goals. his best attribute is finding the net..so lets use those attributes and play somebody behind him.

Have a great time mate!

The Moon.

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24 May 2012 19:40:31
Thinking about this logically Hazard won't want to be seen as a backup because Chelsea could n't get Moura and if he was going to sign for Citeh they would be shouting it from the rooftops now!(no class). Very simple view on it all but plausible all the same. I also think he wants to announce it post wembley game to avoid unnecessary abuse at the hands of non united England fans! I think this guy is a shrewd cookie but I think he has got more scruples than anybody has given him credit for! Hope he signs for us!
Red1

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24 May 2012 18:46:01
Just popped in for 1st time today....so we're still talking about Hazard are we? :/

Can't wait till the lad decides and tells the world! It's getting boring

Gav

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I heard the word 'hazard' on Judge Judy today. It's everywhere!

G.A.G.U.S

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Think u need a job

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That gave me a good laugh GAGUS mate.

YankSAW

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24 May 2012 18:08:54
I was about to post this as a response to the previous post about Fergie retiring at the end of next season due to ill health (bloody nose - like that!).

However, I thought some speculation about the manager's position would be good fun so perhaps worth a seperate post.

I actually hope that Fergie does retire at the end of next season.

He's still one of the best managers in the world and I'm sure we would have finished with a lot less points last season without him. However, there were some strange decisions from him (team against Blackburn!) and some disasterous underperformances (Crystal Palace, Basles etc).

More to the point though. I think it's time we started building on Fergie's success and looking to the future which I'm hoping is going to be Guardiola. Appointments and signings are much dependent on timing. I expect Guardiola to be looking for a position for the 2013/14 season and if Utd has the vacancy then I reckon he would want to take it on.

Obviously, its pure speculation/wishful thinking but I truly believe Guardiloa and Utd would be a brilliant fit in many ways.

On the one hand he has an eye for talent and has proven that he can develop top class players. Also he's got results from spending big in the transfer market to add further quality to the team. Making good on inexpensive talent would keep the spending down in one respect but I believe he would expect that to be balanced with big funds being available to him should he want them.

I like this twin track approach more than say someone like Moyes whose's great at doing it on the cheap but has no experience of bringing in expensive signings or perhaps Mourinho who's great at spending money but hasn't shown much in the way of bringing through younger talent or spotting a bargain.

The guy looks like he has some loyalty and class as well.

What would you reckon to Guardiola or is there someone else you think would be a better bet? Also, when would you like Fergie to retire?

Andrew B

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Jose or Blanc.

I disagree with almost everything you said on Guardiola.

"Eye for a talent" Really, even Simon Cowell could pick a decent team at Barca from all those players.

"Proven he can develop top class players" Reall, he inherited Xavi/ Iniesta and messi was hardly a well kept secret who has he developed?

"results from spending big in the transfer market" Really how well did Ibrahemovic work out? And that Ukrainian centreback? Villa and Fabregas were no brainers and i don't think he picked them. And Sanchez was chased by every top team in Europe.

He can't hack the pressure either. He did well at barca for a couple of years because of Messi/ Xavi/ Iniesta and the fact that in the league its a 2 horse race and the other horse was struggling. As soon as Jose sorted out the shambles that was Madrid and got them going Guardiola crumbled. In Europe they get stupid protection from the officials and alot of strange decisons liek the RVP sending off. When Chelsea parked the bus they couldn't find a way through. Ok they had a bad day misisng all those chances but a truly top coach like Jose would have figured out something.

I just don't rate Guardiola that highly. It worked well because he's Mr Barca and knew the set up, the staff, a lot of the players. Well done but how about going somewhere and actually building something rather than inheriting the best youth academy an dgraduates in world football.

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Completely agree with the post above me.

That Barcelona side would have won exactly the same amount of things if my cat was in charge.

The Moon.

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I'd wanna see how Pep does in charge of another top team before we moved for him. Also i don't like the fact that the moment he has some proper competition from Real Madrid and he ups and walks out saying he needs a break.

For me it would have to be one of Blanc, Loew, Van Marjlwk or Mourinho and probably in that order.

Shappy

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24 May 2012 17:48:16
the signings I would make.

erikksen - 22m
martinez - 25m
d. costa 10m
higiuan- 20m

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Think you will find Martinez and Higiuan both in excess of £35million. MIDDLETON RED

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24 May 2012 17:08:56
Just a few questions and thoughts.
Firstly, are Hazard and Kagawa similar players? I cannot decide and would like somebody's view, so Ed's or a regular user? If so, do the 2 transfers depend on what happens with the other?
Personally I feel we could do with them both.
Secondly, is a striker likely to be bought? I believe that Kagawa may be deployed a bit wider, with Hazard playing behind Rooney, who will be pushed up, in sort of a 3-1 attacking formation, with Valencia on the right. Again, thoughts?
A left-back is necessary, as Evra has been lack-lustre and unintersted in defending this season. Leighton Baines is a good player, and everybody slating him should wait until they find out if the interest is A) Serious and B) If he can step up. He was brilliant for an over-achieving Everton side again this season.
Is there any real interest in Clyne also?
And finally, the rumours concerning Sir Alex may be taken into consideration, as the one thing that would cause him to consider his future is his health, which appears to be deteriorating. I know it was just a nose-bleed but we do not know the full extent of what is happening.
Thanks, would really like some of these questions answered as I am one of the people checking this site for updates every half an hour.
COME ON UNITED. {Ed004's Note - I think Hazard will be played on the left. However, if we play Nani there is nothing stopping Hazard, Nani, Kagawa and Rooney all changing positions throughout the game}

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Hazzard , Nani , Rooney and Kagawa - now that would be something
:)

Prob the ref would have to stop the game, as the opposition had a breakdown trying to work out what was going on.

Mike {Ed004's Note - Now all you would need is Cleverley and someone like M'Villa in behind them to link up play and add strength to the midfield along with Izaguirre left back and Clyne brought into to give Rafael competition and that would be some team and squad}

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Wheres valencia.

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24 May 2012 17:03:39
Joey Barton gets a deserved ban, maybe you can argue with the length of it. But after watching the action, how come Tevez has not even had a mention for the "running kick" which having only seen it today looked to me like a straight red for what would of been the first incident!
Apologies if I'm a bit behind on the matter, but It's the first time I've seen any clips of it starting a few second's earlier before Barton loses it. There is no retrospective action for Tevez, not even a mention.
Understandably Barton has a reputation but does no-one ever look at these incident's and think "ahh yes, that might explain slightly their loss of temper"?

Supasub

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24 May 2012 16:57:18
West Ham have agreed a deal with United to take Fabio on loan for the coming season

That way he gets Premier League experience aswell

ForeverRed

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24 May 2012 16:52:53
In reply to my earlier comment someone said
''Am I missing something?...are these Fifa 12 signings or real world?...where does the money come from for all these signings in one close season?...numbers don't add up pal''
Shinji Kagawa - Age 23 - £12 Milllion
Eden Hazard - Age 21 - £30 Million
Nathan Clyne - Age 21 - £2 Million
Nick Powell - Age 18 - £4 Million
Robert Lewandowski - Age 23 - £20 Million
Mateo Kovačić - Age 18 - Compensation
= £68 Million
We spent £50 Million last summer on players and it will be about the same this season with these signs and players leaving Berbatov, Etc...
If you look at my post earlier i said ''Even with the list of players above i still would like 1 more Midfielder and a Left Back my opinions for these are either Javi Martinez or Yann M'Vila and Jordi Alba or Leighton Baines''
I never said we would sign them its just my opinion.

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24 May 2012 16:46:58
Is Sydney poorly? haven't heard from him all day

Mike

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I've been told from two seperate sources that he's in Florida. Kloot say's he's in Tampa getting chatty with old Malc and Blair Say's he's visiting his theme parks. Maybe i need better sources. lol.

Shappy

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24 May 2012 16:45:37
Just a thought but do you think if we managed to complete deals for both Kagawa and Hazard we would drop Rooney back to CM to play the Paul Scholes...

Tried it halfway through the season and he played exceptional there but we lacked a goal threat up top but with Kagawa and Hazard this would not be a problem.

De Gea
Jones Evans Vidic Evra
Rooney Carrick
Nani Kagawa Hazard
Welbeck

fearny {Ed004's Note - I would be 100% against playing Rooney there... He is one of our only world class players and you want to play one of the best strikers in the world in midfield...}

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No chance and i don't think Rooney would stick around if he was asked to play there as well.
He is our talisman and our best player, he does his best work in front of goal hence the 30 plus goals this season.

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Why not stick Ferdinand up-front with his height and have Evra as reserve goalkeeper to save on wages!
Stick our best forward player in CM, honestly......

Supasub

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Im not saying I would do it either... it's just the players he is trying to reportedly sign play in that N.10 role Rooney position.

fearny

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24 May 2012 16:43:03
I can't believe what I read on this site some times, we moan our squad is too old and is not good enough then we are suggesting we sign the likes of Drogba, Essien and even Kalou, (who looks poor in a poor chelsea side). We have got enough old experienced players, we need to look at good youngsters that can come straight into team and improve the team and we can mould into how we want them to play, so lets stop this rediculous talk of ex chelsea player that are way past it that are free.

neil

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24 May 2012 15:47:02
I think this will be our preferred line up for next season providing all transfers go to plan

-----------------de gea

Clyne-----vidic-------smalling----evra

----------carrick-------scholes

------------------shinji

Valencia-----------------------hazard

------------------Rooney

What does everyone think?


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Cleverley has played about 10 games for utd. Yes he's a good player but i'd say that scholes's passing and his ability to screen the defence along with carrick would suit the team better when we have 4 all out attacking players further forward.

Tbh I don't get why England play Barry and Parker ahead of carrick. Carrick is experienced when it comes to playing European football and the international game is quite similar to the champions league or the Europa league.

Philiphs93

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I honestly think we are looking to buy hazard knowing he is special and
To play him messi role. Basically everywhere across the park pick it up and make things happen like ronaldo used to do. Make defence into attack in an instant.

I don't know about everyone else but I am really looking forward to next year especially if we sign kagawa and hazard and what style of football we play. I think it will resemblance the 07/08 year when we scored goals for fun

Neil

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24 May 2012 15:28:51
Though yous would enjoy this lads, I haven't laughed this much in a long time:

www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWHVAHFwPCEQ%26sns%3Dfb&h=zAQE_aJPN

MPez

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Me neither. Can you post another link?

Welsh Dragon

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24 May 2012 16:10:01
It's good to hear that we've made an official bid for Kagawa. Although seeing as Kagawa and Hazard are the same type of player it may mean we know we've missed out on Hazard?

Regardless of the Hazard situation I'm glad things are progressing with Kagawa.

The Moon.

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See I disagree, if we get hold of Kagawa I expect that to be both our CM and second striker/attacker. I reckon we'll only buy one of Hazard and Kagawa, and then probably no other CM. Just the vibe I'm getting. And I don't like the vibe, but Carrick, Cleverly, Scholes, Anderson + Kagawa is what I reckon SAF/Gill will say is enough to take us forward.

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There is no way in hell we'll be able to accommodate Kagawa, Hazard, Anderson, Cleverley, Nani, Toni, Young, Petrucci and possibly a couple of others behind the front man in a 4-2-3-1.

Personally I think it's one or the other and I'll be over the moon so to speak with either. It's like deciding whether you would want Lahm or Cole (in terms of ability) both are terrific and you'll be happy with either.

The Moon.

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This "official bid" was on , the very same website that wouldn't stop going on about us signing sneijder last year and ozil the year before.

I'll believe it when it's on the bbc or ssn

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24 May 2012 15:35:14
If we sign hazard i think we will play 4-4-1-1 hazard playing off rooney, so that leaves us with , rooney,welbeck and hernandez up top and i exspect keane to be promoted so i dont see us signing a striker.

L.A.7

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24 May 2012 15:31:52
i think most of our main targets have already agreed to join us its now up to united to put in acceptable bid to their clubs to finalised the transfer

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24 May 2012 15:25:46
i hope we don't get hazard,sounds like a proper bellend to me,whats there to think about,we need a player like him and would probably build a team round him (if he's that good).He'll be rotated at city,and be playing with pensioners and no manager in place at chelsea.Bring back Kleberson :)

vimto

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24 May 2012 14:23:34
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4_xKrs2Xw

man moura makes hazard look lik she*p is this video!

izan!

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24 May 2012 14:59:20
the argument that we wont get Hazard because we already have too many wingers is quite frankly bull.

hazard will find it easier get a starting spot on the left as young and nani perform better on the right,

we would then have kagawa in the hole and valencia out on the right. young will can be back up for any of these, nani (if he stays) can be used instead of valencia, esp if we are using a 433 formation (with kagawa dropping into more traditional midfield role) as nani & hazard swapping sides would bring a more fluid attack where valencia would bring more width (better suited in a 4231 formation.)

dags

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24 May 2012 14:55:46
just been watching some highlights of kagawa ,how good is he seriously!,makes everything seem so easy ,quick insisive passing hardly ever wastes a pass,would get us back how we used to play football

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24 May 2012 14:45:53
Seeing that both Hazard and Kagawa prefer to play right behind the striker, shouldn't this be seen as an either or situation? According to MUTV's the gossip, Hazard will base his decision on playing time and the position he will play. And with United making a bid for Kagawa, do you think that we are inclined to loose the race for Hazard? If so, I think that Kagawa is brilliant. Also, Van der Wiel has stated he wants a move. I think he may be worth a bid, wouldnt cost more than 10 mill euros
Sparty On

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24 May 2012 14:13:23
Just have to get this out there. This summer is gonna be epic, in terms of suspense on who were gonna get, Talk of Hazard, Kagawa, Hummels, baines, RVP, But to name a few. I am counting the days until the transfer window opens (1st of july), Regardless of who we sign, this summer is going to be big, with Liverpool, Chelsea, and United In a "Transitional period" It should be signings galore :D I will be relishing watching new players ply their trade in the EPL next season, Hopefully we will see big players and some players becoming big in the next season. Not just that. Some of the best players will be playing at the Euro's during the summer so we wont be short of entertainment for very long :) God I love this Game!

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24 May 2012 13:55:29
I cannot see why people put Pogba ahead of Carrick in their starting line up for next season? He is not as good as Carrick yet, that's for sure. Carrick is one of our most consistant performers and deserves a start. He will be the main man in midfield next year. Personally I would like to and partially expect to see this sort of set yp:

_________De Gea
Rafa__Small___Vidic___Evra
_____Carrick__Asamoah
Nani_____Kagawa____Hazard
_________Rooney

Added to that squad hopefully Cleverly and Anderson wl have a good run of fitness, Clyne and a left back like Baines will come in. I don't think we'd need anything for a while apart from the odd tweek.

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Sorry i dont rate Carrick at all.

Not nor never been Utd quality IMO. He has cost us in the big games time and again as he wants too much time on teh ball, and gets tackled in dangerous areas or gives the ball away under pressure.

Hes a great flat track bully agains t teh rubbish but ALWAYS goes missing in the Big games.

If Carrick is the main man in our Middfield next year i will genuinely bet anyone on here £100 that we win nothing again!

Your obviously entitled to your own opinion on the guy but this is mine!

Red Bear

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Red Bear, as you said you're entitled to your opinion and against quite, pressuring sides I'll admit he's not as composed as I would like.

I wouldn't say I don't rate him though, I think he's a very good player and does his job fairly well, especially this season. I think if Carrick had joined Fletch and Vidic on the injuy list we would have finished 3rd/4th. That's how important I think he was to us this season.

Although, that's just my views and can completely understand what you're trying to say mate.

The Moon.

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24 May 2012 13:13:24
EDs please add a new tab to this page "believable" "unbelievable" and the new one being "twitter"


Anon

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Quite often I would like to agree with the Ed's comments and disagree with the post (please don't send me the cheque, send it to a charity of your choice Ed).
Also how does the reply function work on the rumour page when a reply/comment does'nt appear beneath the rumour?
Could we also have some more "bell's & whistles" like the LFC site as we must have virtually the 2nd highest traffic, we'd have more but alot of us have jobs Ed ;)

Supasub

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24 May 2012 12:09:20
Crystal Palace have finally admitted they will lose Clyne this summer and have begun opening talkes with interested clubs to settle a fee (Compensation fee) which should be around 2 Million Pounds. Lets hope he signs for United, Gifted Player who can play on Either side of defence and would partner up well with Jones and Smalling. Would be a snip considering his age and i really hope United get this one fully sorted ASAP

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24 May 2012 12:02:00
eds,do you think we need half of these players like powell or lewandowski {Ed002's Note - Half, yes.}

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24 May 2012 11:58:59
Happy birthday to the real King of the football world

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IH3MQjJ_SoY

Dylan

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24 May 2012 11:57:03
next season united will win

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24 May 2012 11:54:36
united should sign hazard but is he worth all this hassole and why are we getting a 18 year old guy from crewe what will he do probally be left back.....in the changing rooms he will have to leave cause he wont get a game.

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So you don't want the 'marquee signing' and you don't want the 'one for the future'...jeez you're hard to please

Gav

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24 May 2012 11:51:07
It would appear rumours about Malcolm Glazer are NOT true and were a horrible Twitter rumour. Strange one.

GDS {Ed002's Note - But perhaps a lesson learned about Twitter?}

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24 May 2012 11:46:32
Hazards latest tweet:

petit entrainement avec les diables ce matin... ca fait plaisir

Which translate roughly to:

training with little devils this morning ... ca is a pleasure

Training with little devils:

Little devils:

devils!!! Woooo....

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24 May 2012 09:21:13
On sky sports united in for James Mc Clean and Arsenal in for hazard but wages are an issue which isnt an issue for us, city or chelsea

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24 May 2012 09:00:43
First Post on here.
I for one am liking the current trend of transfer activity we have going on. I thought we would be the same as the last transfer window (fergie saying there was no value in the market) but he now recognises our weaknesses and is trying to rectify them.
I think Kagawa is a must. For his price he is a great buy.
For me everyone seems to think hazard is getting stick for a decision he hasnt made yet. I think if he is smart he will choose us, if he is seeking an early retirement he will choose s**ty. He will be worth the money as we will have him for 3-5 year like Ronaldo and then sell him to Real Madrid for moe than we paid for like Ronaldo. Fergie knows this so the price over the long term isnt an issue.
IMO there is probably 1-2 after that, one youngster and a DM. The DM seems to be Asamoah as (i believe) we had a bid rejected which means he thinks Martinez will cost over the odds.
Youngster- could be anyone Powell seems to be popping up recently.
Finally the outs.. for me it would be macheda, owen(already gone) berbatov, anderson, park, which would sugest we would need a striker as 3 are leaving.. but i think Keane will just slot in for next season.

Mikestar

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24 May 2012 08:54:56
i read sumwhere that we have signed E. Hazard and S. Kagawa...Is that true..?
I want L. Moura and I. muniain...any chances..?

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24 May 2012 08:06:37
The thing I'm looking forward too most if we sign baines is we may have a player who can consistently beat the first man at corners -_-


Anon

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24 May 2012 07:27:01
Happy Birthday to the legend and the catalyst of our dominance, King Eric is 46 today!

Ports

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Ledge

Gav

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