Manchester United Banter Archive May 24 2013

 

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24 May 2013 20:54:16
Ed is it true that rene has been offered a demoted role by moyes, it says on goal that but I never know wot to believe with them

Big Mac {Ed004's Note - Not sure yet}

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24 May 2013 20:27:13
Why are people saying good riddance to Phelan leaving? Obviously he brought something to the table otherwise fergie wouldn't have him as number 2 for near 5 years! He has given a lot to the club over 20 years of his life and fans are glad he is gone! Disgrace from some people on here, no respect!
Goodbye to 2 long servants of the club, Steele and Phelan, WILL be missed!
James

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Here we go again. Fans calling other fans a disgrace just for airing their opinions. That is the real disgrace. Mike Phelan was an excellent coach and I think you will find that most people are merely glad that he is no longer our number 2. Had he been kept on as a first team coach then he still had a role at the club but we need someone tactically sharp as our assistant manager.

TK-Red

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FYI, Fergie played Luke Chadwick, Kleberson and Djemba-Djemba in the first team for years. Just because he did something, doesn't make it acceptable.

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Tk you shouldn't really bother with these people who like slating other people's opinion. They just look for an reaction and they're quick to point fingers which is awful.

Everyones entitled to their opinion and its about time people shod realise that.

Singh

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So in your opinion is it not sad that a "fan-base", can be glad someone who gave so much to the club is no longer wanted at the club?
James

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James, who said he's not wanted at the club. What people are saying is its pehaps good for the club 'tactically' that phelan has stepped down as we all us supporters know we needed a better tactician. We needed someone who can make us play good attractive football.

At the end of the day we give our opinions in relation to what's good for the club.

At the end of the day we should all respect each others view that's all I am trying to explain.

Singh

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Also it is ironic you calling my opinion of others opinions a disgrace.

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I didn't call your opinion a disgrace, I called your judgement of others a disgrace. There's a difference. If you're going to try and be clever then you'll have to do better than that.

TK-Red

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Well Singh if
At the end of the day Phelan gone

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24 May 2013 20:03:18
"I'm so proud the fans still sing my name, but I fear tomorrow they will stop. I fear it because I love it. And everything you love, you fear you will lose"

Happy Birthday King! In our hearts you will rule till eternity. Growing up, I have never had someone who captivated my imagination as much as him. Fell in love with Eric, fell in love with the game.

Deeps.

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24 May 2013 19:14:39
Heard that Moyes has been grooming Phil Neville at Goodison in recent times when he was not playing much. Did Moyes know he was coming to Utd and he is going to be the number 2 or was he doing it with the intention of giving him a role at goodison. Not sure if he would have enough experience to be a number 2 yet. If it was given to an ex player or existing player who would you like it to be. Giggsy for me I am sure he has learnt a lot from Sir Alex

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It's certainly interesting. But with Giggs signing a new contract as a player as opposed to a coach would that hinder his role as an assistant?

Mad Hatter

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Moyes has been grooming Neville! Blimey, who would have thought it

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I know

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24 May 2013 18:50:24
3 Summer Signings for me. Lewandowski, Di Maria, and Strootman.

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Agree! if rooney stays I would sign thiago instead of lewa (with rvp, rooney, hernandez, welbeck we don't need him. )

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24 May 2013 18:28:05
Hate this time of year because we are always left disappointed. Players we think are gunna sign never do,
Nasri
Hazzard
Witsal
Baines
Sneijder
Gotze
Rodriguez

Just to name a few, we always get excited and are always left disappointed. Always hope this year we will spend big but it won't happen

Marm

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You most likely said we wouldn't get van Persie too. If the club wants someone bad enough they will sign him

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I wasn't dissappointed with Kagawa and RVP tbh.
Tommy!

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Totally agree disappointed every season

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I for one was totally devastated last summer when we signed rvp!

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What a crap signing, but in all honesty we can't sign everyone we have any interest in. Chelsea and City miss out on targets too you know.
DHK

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As I remember rightly a lot of people were saying fergie out last season because of lack transfers and I must admit I was one of them I now hang my head in shame because he made two transfers and won the league at a canter a red united fan

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25 May 2013 01:46:23
@ Coalan_2
Not always

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Actually a lot of people last season didn't want or said RvP wasn't comeing

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24 May 2013 18:11:31
Anyone know who will be Moyes number 2 and part of the coaching staff. Love to see Schmeichel back at Old Trafford as the keeper coach or will they all be coming in from Everton

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24 May 2013 18:37:26
I'd love to see either Big Pete or Edwin come in as keeper coach. But I expect it will be someone else, maybe the chap from Everton. Who I couldn't complain with as he has help improve T-Ho.

As for his right hand man I expect it will be someone who Moyes is close to. Personally i'd like to see either Rene or Joyce get it. But Phil Neville could be a good compromise being someone whk knows the club well and knows Moyes well too.

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I know it doesn't mean much but P. Nev is completing his A Licence this week and Big Pete is doing his.

Both would be great additions to the coaching staff.

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24 May 2013 18:07:27
After almost 20 years service, 1st as a player and later in a variety of coaching roles, Mike Phelan deserves a little more respect than some on here are showing him.

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I 100% agree AJH

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Beat me too it mate.

He's been cast as nothing more than a nodding dog, and the myth has spread.

He may not be the most tactically astute coach around, but he had Fergie's trust and must have brought something to the table.

Good luck to him whatever he does next.

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24 May 2013 18:39:27
Agreed, I was one of his biggest critics. But always did what he could for the club to the best of his ability. And I would thank him for all he has done and wish him well with his future in football.

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I'm with you AJH, he wasnt the greatest player and probably wasnt the greatest coach/assistant, but he gave us many many years of dedicated service and for that I am thankful to him. I hope he finds work elsewhere and I wish him all the best.

Brendan81

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Completely agree - I'm sure Sir Alex is a better judge than us with appointing MP. He has gone now so regardless of your opinion ; show some respect. As united fans we are better than bad mouthing our own who have played a part in our success

Adz

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Totally right AJH

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With you on this one AJH. The least we can do is show someone a little bit of respect, especially when he has spent 20 years at the club. It does not always have to be charismatic or fiery. Who knows what he brought to the table. SAF did and that alone is good nuff for me.

Deeps.

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Does anyone really know if he was or wasn't a good coach
Jred

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I watched him play, he was there though SAF's formative years when we won the FA Cup, the Cup Winners Cup and the Leage Cup. Not the sexiest footballer but a true pro who earned his place in the sun.

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Well said Gents, probably a good time for him to step aside as assistant but great servant to the club and I hear the players had a lot of respect for him which says a lot for today's footballer's.

Was hoping for a new assistant but was hoping Phelan would stay at the club.

Great servant as a player and a member of staff.

Thanks Mike and all the best.

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24 May 2013 11:06:42
Hello ed 002. today coentrao has expressed his desire to leave madrid as he feels he is not wanted. Do you think as we are look8ng to replace evra, He could be an option? I m sure he will not follw jose anywhere. So do you see anything from united point of view.

Rodio17 {Ed002's Note - MU has not shown any interest in him.}

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Thank god!

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23 May 2013 21:04:07
Hi Ed, how do you think our transfers ins and outs have changed now Moyes is the manager?, I expect utd have targets lined up before the change of management,, thanks {Ed002's Note - Not significantly.}

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24 May 2013 17:42:59
Gaitan or Di Maria? Which would you rather have at the moment. {Ed004's Note - Di Maria by a mile. I reckon an attack of Di Maria...RVP...Kagawa behind Lewandowski is very likely next year, however do people think it would be enough if City and Chelsea get their reported attacks of or something similar to Silva...Suarez...Isco behind Cavani and Chelsea's Hazard...Mata...Oscar/Schurrle behind Falcao?}

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Ed if those two line ups for city and chelsea are correct then we would need Ronaldo instead of DiMaria in my eyes. I would be very happy to play both teams with Ronaldo, Kagawa, RVP in that order behind Lewandowski. Otherwise I would be worried as DiMaria wouldn't get in the other teams first 11's.

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - I can not see us moving for Ronaldo this year. However, I reckon Ronaldo or Bale would suit playing wide right in a 4231}

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Ed004, I like the look of your attack, we do, however, need someone like Strootman and a Scholes replacement as well. {Ed004's Note - I reckon we will have Strootman and Carrick in midfield next season however, for 25 million euros I would move for Gundogan as well before he signs a new deal tbh}

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I don't see us getting Ronaldo this summer either but if city/chelsea do line up how you say, we will need him to be anywhere near as good in my eyes. I don't think either will get all targets though thankfully.

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - No I don't think all those moves will happen just going by club targets etc. Though I think a united attack of Ronaldo RVP Kagawa and Lewandowski is top class}

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Ed if we had that attack, even if we had to wait until next summer for Ronaldo, I would probably cry with joy. Can you imagine how good our attacking play would be to watch. Especially with Strootman and Carrick/Gundogan behind them? Wow.

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - So would I}

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If the plan ever was for Ronaldo to stay 1 more year to make it financially viable for us to get him I would like the following in this summer

Strootman
Gundogan (as he has a very reasonable release clause)
Lewandowski (who along with Kagawa could help persuade Gundogan to come)
Sandro/Shaw
Zouma (to work alongside Rio/Vidic for a year as I think he will be amazing)

Then next year we could go for Ronaldo and finish off our forward line to perfection.

Why can't dreams be reality? :-)

Brendan81

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24 May 2013 17:23:17
Last year it was alex witsel and this year it is rodriguez. very disappointed I thght we wil sign him specially after united scouting so much. I dnt undstnd why dey sign for rich club hulk and witsel left porto for anzi and nw rodriguez for monaco.

Sid

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Syd, you say you don't understand why, just before you say 'rich clubs' - it's not rocket science, mate.

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'Axel' went to zenit

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I would take a pay cut to work in Monaco (slightly sarcastic)

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24 May 2013 16:58:02
Just a thought, if moyes decides that ando and nani are not part of his plans, how much would they fetch? Does 8m - 10m for ando and 13m - 15m for nani be the fees we could expect?
Mancunian dream {Ed004's Note - I reckon about that. Such a shame with Nani he has all the potential in the world}

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24 May 2013 16:45:43
Eds or anybody knowledgable,

When does Zaha join up with our squad, is it straight after the play off finals or July 1st? {Ed004's Note - Not sure after the play offs I think}

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24 May 2013 16:23:19
After taking abuse from Piers Morgan, a package from the Manchester United Press Office arrived at Piers' house this morning with a letter attached saying "Robin wanted you to have this".

Inside the package was a double sided framed photograph of RVP kissing the Premier League Trophy, with "Tears4Piers" written on it amongst other things.

I salute you RVP, absolutely brilliant.

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Absolute legend! Made my day reading that.

Ay3

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Someone put up a gif/jpeg somewhere portraying Piers' expressions post this. Absolute ripper!

Deeps.

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24 May 2013 21:02:16
Fabulous. I feel myself drawn to the twittersphere to remind The Daily Mirror's 'finest' of his new gift.

Van Persie being fast-tracked to United godhood!

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24 May 2013 16:23:10
I'd like to say a fond farewell to Phelan. We may have not liked him and questioned his tactical knowledge but any servant of our club deserves a respectful send off.

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No, he earned loads of money and was totally crap in his job. Worst no2 fergie has ever had, i'm delighted he's gone.
Shame for Eric Steele though as he was a good coach. {Ed004's Note - That is a bit harsh unless you are a member of staff or former player I don't know how you would know that information tbh}

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24 May 2013 16:18:47
Not bothered to see the departure of Phelan, but why Eric Steele?! I think that he is the reason why De Gea has improved so much, and apparently he learnt Spanish to make training De Gea easier. Moyes is allegedly replacing him with Chris Woods. my questions have to be why. Eric Steele is one of the best goalkeeping coaches in the country.

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Have not had the chance to read any official statement on phelans and steeles departure. de geas progress and growing confidence should also be attributed to steele. saying which tim howard has been fairly consistent since he has been at everton. So woods training regime and drills worked there. But I do hope steele stays to continue de geas progress without much fuss with coaching set up changes.
Mancunian dream

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24 May 2013 18:17:22
Isn't Steele retiring?

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24 May 2013 16:04:44
"As Sir Alex said at his last press conference, that's an issue for David Moyes. I'm confident he will be there next season, "

"He's a great, great player and the club doesn't want to lose its star players.

"So I'm sure every bit of work is being taken with Wayne and his advisors and the club to make sure that happens.

"I'm not a betting man but I'm confident when I sit at Old Trafford next season I will see Wayne Rooney running out. " David gill on Rooney

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Jred

Read that too but still believe the club are working at selling him. Interesting summer ahead of us.

Shahram

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What else would they say when they are trying to keep his price up!

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BTW he said the same thing about Ronaldo right before we sold him.

Shahram

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This just raises his pricetag!

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If I'm honest I don't think clubs like Psg etc will pay to much attention to what they read in the papers.
I would of thought they will listen far more to what agents representative of both the club and player think.
When negotiating to buy a player I would be amazed if anyone took any notice of what they read in the paper
Jred

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24 May 2013 15:31:39
So guys. let's cut name of james rodriguez. as he joined money bags. So looks gaitan deal or di maria is more likely

Rodio17

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I have always said Gaitan is on the cards for us.

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Thanks ed. Hope United will try to confirm our signings. What an exciting summer for we the reds? Hope Bayern will not sneak away Lewandowski from our noses. Maybe that is why Rooney is jittery to leave the club. Cheers to all fans!

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Sorry forgot to sign off

Shahram

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24 May 2013 07:42:08
Hello eds, I am so grateful that u are always dedicating yourself for us th fans of United. Thank you! I am loathe and have a feeling that United must have done all deals but would like u to possibly give names of the players u think united would av gone for the past couple of moths. {Ed004's Note - Di Maria, Lewandowski, Strootman, Baines}

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I love the eds. wothout hheir onput amd kmpwledge this site would be like a battlefield. its a great way to brin us as fans together for discussion, debate and our views of the football club.

singh

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Lol at the spelling mistakes my phone does some crazy things

Singh

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24 May 2013 14:39:42
The nodding dog has left United.


Simmo

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Thank god for that! He was useless.
Nomidfield

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20 years a red, and he gets you two belittling him like a piece of dirt.

Classy, guys. Real classy.

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Well said Stevie. Simmo, Nomidfield I sometimes wonder if you are in fact the same knob

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24 May 2013 14:29:07
i will not be expecting any big money signings any time soon, why do you think moyes was given the job, to work on a shoe string budget, like he seems to be quite good at well at everton he was, please the glazers no end, lol when I read about cr7 and bale if only and we all know what type of players you get for 7m bebe of course, maybe at best fellaini and bains so I will be expecting clevs to still be a first choice next season,

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Wow your a barrel of optimism ain't ya lol
Chris the REDman

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Fellanini is a country mile better than cleverly.

shahram

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Fellaini is better than clevs but is he the quality we want I don't think so
and actually i'm a realist and can say I will be surprised if we get any of the big names being mentioned

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Boarshared - the new Nomidfield?

Mate, you depress the clean f**k out of me!

I hope if some good news comes out of OT this summer, someone's standing close by you - wouldn't want you keeling over and cracking your head open :)

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I agree with you, it will be a summer of disappointments. We will be told we've bid for the top players but some horrible team with lots of money bid more. And next we will be told that we don't need players here unless they want to play for United. What a load of utter tosh.
We will make no good signings and we will move backwards now.

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24 May 2013 18:46:11
Never heard of that saying before Steve. Lol Is that opposed to a dirty one?

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An 'Ulsterism', shappy :)

Nothing dirty about it, just a way of expressing how some dark cloud can bring you down with them.

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24 May 2013 22:20:35
Typical we teach you irish a language that won't cause cause odd looks of horror if searched on google and you ruin it. I could put up with the Americans ruining it, they don't know any better. But this is beyond the pale:-P lol.

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24 May 2013 13:59:14
So a lot of people (including kloot I believe) said that phelan was a yes man and fergie should have got rid of him years ago. The football we have played since he became assistant has been boring and slower than we are used to. So moyes first decision as manager is to get rid of him. I am assuming the people calling for fergie to get rid are going to back moyes on this one now?

In my opinion it is exactly what we needed, phelan is a yes man, and there appear to be no mention of meulensteen leaving which I would be quite devastated about. I am starting like David moyes already lol!

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Well, it has been stated in the newspapers, that Rene has been offered a smaller position at the club, and therefore he is considering moving back to the Netherlands. As far as I know, nothing has been confirmed when it comes to the departure of Phelan or Steele by the club. Hopefully, Meulensteen stays and becomes the new assistant manager.

ZigZag

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Its standard nowadays for a new manager to bring his own backroom staff in.
johndenton

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Really hope they make rene assistant rather than bringing someone from everton

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24 May 2013 13:41:52
I wouldn't buy any English outfield player other than a defender or goalkeeper, they simply are not technical enough (good enough).

Need to get rid of Young

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Wilshire?. Technically he is very good. Albeit abut injury prone.

May Hatter

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24 May 2013 12:52:43
It will be interesting to see who Moyes brings in as goalkeeping coach now that Eric Steele has left the club and how it affects David De Gea, if at all. De Gea had a good season but is still work in progress so that particular appointment will be an important one.

TK-Red

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Your getting Chris Woods I know that as I follow Everton and that's Moyes GK coach. MikeEfc {Ed004's Note - Is he any good?}

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Yes he is highly thought of at Everton, and he will be good for De Gea, but we're glad to see the back of Steve Round as he is just so uninspiring a total yes man. You will see for yourself on match day him sat alongside Moyes wearing his ear piece nodding like a dog, but not contributing anything. MikeEfc

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24 May 2013 12:25:09
Will any transfers be made before Moyes starts with us?He officially takes charge on the 1st July. Surely we don't have to wait til then? {Ed007's Note - You need to wait until the transfer window opens, coincidentally that is July 1st, unless Utd are buying a player from within the English FA.}

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24 May 2013 12:20:53
Banter please

Bale apparently has a £50,000,000 buy out clause, do you think he is worth it? and would we pay it? I hope we do Baines, Strootman, Bale and Thiago would really put down a marker imo. I know those 4 = 100 mil or there abouts but we could offset at least half of that in sales.

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Three great signings but it think we should leave the left back position. Evra, buttner and fabio, there is enough cover there.

Alot of money for Bale but I would def buy him.

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A buy out clause merely sets a minimum. If Spurs sell then £50m will be the starting point of any auction.

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Paulo you are wrong mate. If a player has a buy-out clause then any club willing to match the fee that is written in to the contract can not be rejected. So a buy-out clause is actually a maximum, not a minimum.

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No a buy out clause is exactly wot it is Paulo, if he did have one for 50m that's what he would go for, although I very much doubt this is true and might be crossed wires possiblely about a new contract
Chris the REDman

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Forget bale we won't enter into a bidding war for him or anyother top player

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24 May 2013 09:20:37
Coentrao wants out of Real Madrid (and Spain), any interest from us Eds?

Gar {Ed007's Note - Not that I know of, sorry.}

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Don't be sorry Ed, think Baines would be a better shout anyways.

Gar {Ed004's Note - I'm not sure. There is no doubt Baines is currently better at this moment of time but Coentrao for the same price will have a lot more years ahead of him. Pretty sure his agent is also Mendes and that Spanish and Portugese players are at war in that Madrid dressing room apparently!}

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24 May 2013 11:53:40
Imagine this,

Rooney stays, becomes fit again, regains form and abit more pace.

would people like to play a 3 up top using any 3 of rooney, rvp, hernandez and welbeck all interchanging and linking up aswell as providing more opportunity for will keane and henriquez to get game time.

plus when needed we would have young giggs valencia and zaha to bring on to widen the pitch

would like to get peoples oppinions including the Ed's {Ed007's Note - I expect Kagawa to kick-on next season and really show what he is capable of Jack. I'm not Welbeck's biggest fan and if any club was silly enough to offer £8-10 million for him I would snatch their hand off.}

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Kagawa would still be a first team regular playing in CAM as he belongs hence the team would line up like

Carrick. strootman
. Kagawa
Rvp. Chica. Wazza

plus I agree i'm not welbecks biggest fan but I do see potential in him when he is played out wide e.g the games against madrid plus if he got more minuets under him i'm sure it wouldn't be long before we see him with a double figure goal tally to his name each season

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24 May 2013 13:14:14
Bond I think welbeck needs a full season in a central role to show what he can do, not played out of position wide. The Rooney fan boys biggest defence is him being played out of position. If/ when Rooney leaves the biggest beneficiaries will be Kagawa and Welbeck. {Ed007's Note - I agree that Welbeck needs a season playing in the middle, just not at Utd.}

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24 May 2013 13:49:40
I think your talking Crap Jack, Wellbeck won't be sold even if someone were to offer £25 million.
Hernandez on the other hand is a different matter, did you see the three sitters he missed at West Brom? we should have been 6-1 up at half time.
Raffa

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But he's an English international team player we could easy over inflate that to atleast £15m!

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Sorry mate but playing 3 up front is never a balanced formation when using players who are strikers or second strikers, you need wingers when playing a 4-3-3.
For example:
---------Cariick--Fellaini-----------
--------------Kagawa---------------
-----Rooney---RVP--Welbeck------
No width, with everyone wanting to be in the middle, and no protection for the full backs.

--------Fellaini--Strootman-------
Zaha--------Kagawa---------Bale
---------------RVP-----------------

Now that's a balanced attacking unit. Fellaini fully defending, strootman box to boxing Kagawa in a free roll with two flying wingers that can also track back. Would like to put Carrick in there somewhere but this team imo looks less susseptable to being hit on the counter-attack.

Kai

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And I know i'm dreaming putting bale there but if you swap with another quality winger the formation still works.

Red Joe

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Wellbeck needs to go

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Raffa, you may say about Hernandez missing sitters against West Brom, but don't forget he scores important goals like the winners against Aston Villa, Chelsea and Newcastle at least.

MEF

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Hernandez over Welbeck any day mate. If fernandez is wasteful, Welbeck at the momemnt does not even know where the goal is. He is very similar to some of the other academy players who have come through in recent years. He is a squad player and will never be leading our front line. Like the rest I can see him 2 or 3 seasons here and then sold unless something incredible happens from here till then and he transforms which I doubt it.

We will always need a number of players from the academy to get into the squad so that we can financially go after first teamers.

Shahram

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I would loveto see us sign Bale, as he is the most dangerous player in the world bar Messi and Ronaldo. Plus he would be perfect on the left, with Van Persie up top, Sanchez/Di Maria on the right, Kagawa just behind, with Carrick and Modric/Fabregas a bit deeper.

Carrick Fabregas
Sanchez Kagawa Bale
Van Persie {Ed004's Note - Would be an unbelievable attack and solid midfield and our defense is top quality other than Evra}

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Raffa, in all fairness how the f**k am I taking crap. I was mearly taking about the possiblity we kept rooney and he regained fitness where would be be played. I never once mentioned selling welbeck that was ed7 if you read it so all in all I reckon its you taking crap :)

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Red joe I usedstand what you are saying about it not having width but I beleive if we allowed the strikers to free roam and find space we could be more spread at the top and the main width would be suplied by the full backs with the 2 midfeilders dropping deeper if needed resulting in still having 4 at the back and 6 in attack when we break if kagawa joined in

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24 May 2013 11:49:23
with all the names been bounced around on this site I was just curious would people be happy with just 3 signings been made this summer. A 3 which would include a midfielder to add steel and bite to the centre of the park play with and eventually replace carrick (Strootman), A midfielder whom could sit next to them pull the strings, make the runs score some goals and add creativity aswell as hopefully trying to replace the irreplaceable scholes (Thiago or Eriksen) and a much needed winger (Di maria, Sanchez, isco or the highly unlikely Lamela or rodriguez)

Personally I would look at this as I really positive summer as I beleive it adresses the main areas and before people say LB we currently already have 3 LBs so let's start giving 2 of them a chance

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On a whole, I do agree with your analysis that we need a midfielder who can add steel and Physical presence. I think the signing of another central midfielder will depend a lot on fletchers recovery and if ando will be sold. As it is we have fletch, shinji, cleverly, powell, carrick, giggsy and ando. far from being feared by top european clubs but the composition has a nice balance. 1 or 2 additions to compliment carrick and kagawa would be nice with young powell out on loan.

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Ins - Strootman £15m, Gundogan £20m, Ronaldo £60m.

Outs - Anderson £10m, Nani £15m, Macheda £3m, Lindegaard £3m, Bebe £1. 50p.

If Rooney is on his way then add Lewandowski as I don't think he is a certainty to go to Bayern no matter what the bullsh*t papers say.

Brendan81

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Admittedly I haven't seen a huge amount of Stootman 6-7 games but really what is the fuss about him? He looks a decent player but he doesn't look a great one and he is 23 so we are not talking purely potential? I think our transfer spend and buys really is dependant a whole lot on the outgoings as nobody knops who Moyes wishes to keep and who to sell. Nani, Anderson, Young, Lindegaard, Fabio, Rooney, Evra are amongst the more profile. exits, that is probably £80-90m worth of talent, yet it is also possible no more than one of them will leave. Dependant on exits though Jack I would be more than happy with any two out of the likes of Thiago and Sanchez, Lamela, Isco (seen very little of Rodriguez to comment). Again personally I wouldn't expeect to see more than one high profile signing anyway and the usual surprise scouted players too.
Invisible Stuey

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Lewandowski, Bale, Bender.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I'd be happy with that but I would prefer to sign a left back as well as it is a major weak spot in defense and Moyes always ensures he has a tight defense. Also is Carrick and Bender good enough for Europe neither really drive forward from midfield like Modric, Gundogan, Schweinsteiger etc}

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Stuey

I am also not too keen on Strootman and would prefer a much better signing than him for our midfield.

I would love to see Vidal but very unlikely. I do think hernandez is of interest to Juve and maybe we can use him as a bargaining chip. 20 mill net spend

I think we can off load rooney and actually go after bale especially if the 40 million report is true. I would take that deal= rooney plus 10 million for bale.

That still leaves us loads of money from nani, anderson, etc sales to go after Lewandowski and Dimaria.

Imagine a Lewandowski, vidal, Bale, dimaria summer signing. We can all dream lol

Common DM get going, we are all intrigued.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Would be a brilliant summer and surely there would be enough left over for Baines as well. Very unlikely though}

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Bebe for £1. 50p was a nice touch and I would absolutely love to see gundogan in a united shirt but I think we would have to wait a year to see that unfortunatly

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24 May 2013 11:24:40
Hi guys,
As a club which can pride itself with having had wingers like best, macari, sharpe, giggsy the current predicament with our very much underforming wingers is a concern. of nani, antonio and young which one should we offload.
My pick is nani. Inspite of him being the best winger of the lot and with the most technical ability, I think his inconsistencies and the fact he had 6 seasons to nail a regular place but generally failed has done it for me. he would probably fetch the highest fee and he does look like he needs a fresh challenge.

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I agree totally, Young too for me, done better than I thought he woudl for us and due to injuries he deserves another season to prove himself to Moyes I guess but I don't see Utd quality. Not one of our current lot would get into any of the past Ferguson sides once he won trophies though.
Invisible Stuey

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Yep agreed that the current batch of wingers would find it a mammoth task to dislodge the likes of sharpe, giggsy in his prime, becks, ronaldo and kanckelskis.
Mancunian dream

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Mancunian Dream - totally agree and we need better wingers ;however not many players in the world playing now would take their place. We had arguably the worlds best midfield at one point! let's just look back and appreciate it rather than compare. We will get back there one day. We can't always have world class players throughout the midfield! Most people's problem is that they were used to us being world class. Other teams have simply caught up or overtaken us. We was slightly spoilt in the Fergie era at times as until Roman, etc came on the scene we could have who we wanted! Nat least now there's arguably slightly more joy and pride in winning the league over City and Chelsea?

Adz

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24 May 2013 10:51:01
So phelan and steele are released thanks to both honourable and honest servants of our club


. the Moyes years start in earnest now

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I've only heard that a web site have reported it and a few unreliable sites like goal and the mirror have written an article online, until I see a credible source I'm not going to take this as fact

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24 May 2013 10:23:50
On the Rooney situation I would like him to stay personally. If Moyes gets him fully fit I'm sure he will get the best out of him and I'm not 100% confident we will sign a long term replacement with the quality of Rooney. So to be honest it's a difficult one to judge about this situation. Thanks.

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24 May 2013 10:09:12
Happy birthday king Eric

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24 May 2013 10:08:52
I know this won't be popular with everyone an I have my doubts but listen to the prospect of bringing in fellani a lot of the names being thrown around are out of reach i'm afraid to say not because we can't compete but because every time we have a target city or chelsea or a European club offer more money an wages an agent fees and we refuse to be crippled by player greed (minus rooney). Now fellani is not a great player but nether was roy Keane but we loved him because he was our midfield hardman. He took no prisoners lead the team with a temper an that is what we have being missing since he left. Now fellani has united written all over him for many reasons but for me I would welcome him here wit open arms because he puts himself on tge line for his team he is ok on the ball great in the air an a beast ti go up against. This guy should be our midfeild steel as he knows the manager works hard an wants a move an I know the other positions that need attention an for me most important is left back so enter baines who is simply amazing wit crosses going pass players an tracking back. They could help each other settle in an i'm sure they would be fan favourites in no time. Before I said I didn't want fellani but imagine him in the mighty red jersey going hard against yaya man marking an bullying. This IMO is what we need an should be our top priority. Oh an if any of the eds could let me know if this move has being mentioned or is it just wishful thinking. Thanks

CAIN

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I think your big mistake there was that you confused Roy Keane with David Batty. Keane was a world class midfield player, not just a hard man but a player who had an unparalleled ability to organise a midfield and dictate the tempo of a game. Keane's passing ability, energy and movement were all top notch.

Fellani isn't a terrible option, and would improve our midfield. But he is limited in ways Keane never ways, his lack of pace and quality in passing, and the fact that he cannot control a game in the way Keane did being the main ones.

Roy Keane, not a great player. FFS.

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Sorry danny forgot all the dribbling past pkayers keano done. We all know the man was a legend but as fergie said don't let nostalgia play wit you. Keane was a beast but as a ball player was not even close to tge best he was a hard nut an a leader rough in tackles
An he was a moan of epic proportions but it didn't stop me from loving the man cause he was what we needed. So get this straight buddy great pro no question but don't for a second think he was all that when the ball was at his feet. I hope you understand what I mean an not get your I love roy Keane knickers in a twisy k. FFS. smart arse

CAIN

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Cain,

I am a little concerned about all opinions you have if you can say Roy keane was not a good player. How old are you? Did you ever see him play? I don't like Roy keane the person but as a footballer he was absolutely fantastic.

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I've been saying all year I think fellaini would be a good signing I think he would add something to the team.
Danny is also spot on in his assessment of kean
Jred

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Did you just use the term ' roy keane, not a great player'?

didnt read the rest.

silly silly billy

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Keane wasnt a great player, what planet are you on? He wasnt just a leader and a hard man i'm sorry but that is utter drivel. Watch the guy again and you will see technically he as very good, his weigh of pass was superb and his short passing one of the best at the club I have seen, he very rarely gave the ball away, his positioning was excellent as was the timing of his runs into the box. He played a simple gam etechncially with a great engine but he did it superbly. I would like to personally give your post the award for worst of the week!
Invisible Stuey

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Totally agree danny keane was one of the best midfielders I have ever seen----------- phil

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Anyone have an opinion on which current player is closest in ability/style to Keane in his prime?

I don't really have a broad enough experience of world football to offer a credible suggestion myself. from the premier league i'd say toure was closest.

by the way, whoever suggested Roy Keane wasn't a great is a very silly boy.

Andrew b

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Read my post again roy was a great player but there was better players at the time what I was getting at is he was a hardman in the middle no one wanted to be on the end of one of his tackles that was fear. I see the usual crowd on the bandwagon an you lads are hilarious one even wsnt to know how old I am. i'm a huge united fan an a huge keane fan being from ireland but he was not the best player or even close he was what he was a thug an a bloody good footballer but I repeat again he was not the best. In my previous if I said keane was not a great player i'm sorry my bad I apologise but there wer better players in his position at that time who wer better so take off the united tinted glasses. An please don't ask another poster there age if I was 10 years younger I could have you done ;) I hope I made myself clear if not so there is plenty of room on the band wagon for the rest of the cling ons

CAIN

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Cain who do you think was better than kean
Jred

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Vidal but he is actually better than Keane imo

Shahram

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Sharham
Vidal was only about 12 when kean was playing there is no way he was better than kean
Jred

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My bad I take it your answer was to Andrew b
Good player Vidal, not sure he is was better than kean in his prime though
Jred

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24 May 2013 09:29:33
The market opens a few days from now. A lot of clubs a making moves now and then. Sir alex said that We have already identified our targets and we are set to make some interesting signings. I wanna know why we aren't making moves to wrap up this signings. Plus he said that we will make a big signing this summer but the big names we ve been linked with are moving to other teAms. Does sir alex retirement have an effect to all these. I will like to know. Please Eds, Sydney And fellow reds. Great work on here.

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We can't wrap up any signings as the transfer window is closed

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24 May 2013 09:40:28
So half of the bond debt refinanced. Previous Interest rates of 8. 325%, now down to a mere 2. 78% a season. Interest down to £21m from £31m. If they could do the same to the other half of the bond debt the interest would drop to a mere £11m/£12m a season. I would expect them to start taking dividends when that happens.

Sydney!

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Syd you make it sound as though were nearly debt free lol
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24 May 2013 08:56:47
A nice balanced view by Red Man on Rooney. I would like to add my two cents.

1. Sir Alex had no option but to drop Rooney or play him in midfield, because he was hurting our forward play by giving the ball away. Having forwards like RVP, Kagawa, Chicharito, Welbeck he was able to do so.

2. I'm sure everyone has noticed how Rooney tries to go past players, but can't do so because he has lost his acceleration and burst of speed and gets annoyed when the ball is taken away from him. His frustrations lie in his own inability to perform imo, not with being played in midfield.

3. Our midfield imo, was worse in 2009-10 season and yet Rooney had a brilliant year. RVP has had no problem showing his class with the midfield that we have right now. It would be wrong to blame Rooney's struggles on the midfield.

4. In all my years of watching football I have never seen a player get his pace and acceleration back after he has lost it. Add to that his inability to keep himself fit and stocky build I don't see the old rooney returning.

5. I think the interest in Di Maria, Lewandowski, Thiago, Strootman may point towards a change in tactics and we will finally see a proper 4-3-3 being played.

6. I don't think Rooney gave a "written" transfer request but in a face to face with Sir Alex has expressed his desire to leave. If Sir Alex was indeed trying to push him out we wouldn't have heard him say "We have rejected it. I think he should think it over. "

I don't hold a grudge against him for what he did last time, but I think its incredibly arrogant of a player to turn up a stone overweight, struggle with that throughout the season lose his pace and to still expect to be picked ahead of Welbeck, Hernandez, Kagawa.

REDFAITH

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Fergie has hardly played kagawa
DHK

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Kagawa started quite a few games later on in the season, when the Rooney situation came up. Also he was injured mid season.

REDFAITH

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24 May 2013 07:47:13
Joyeux Anniveraire au roi. 47 today and let us celebrate every single glorious day of your life. You will always be in our hearts as hopefully we will have a small place in yours.

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Eric was a one off and knew when his powers were on the wane.
Steve

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The king. Happy Birthday.

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I will be having a few for you tonite king Eric and not just because it happens to b my sisters birthday too ;-)
Chris the REDman {Ed007's Note - What age is she Chris, and do you need a stripper for her?}

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Happy birthday to one of our greatest players.

Singh

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Lol Ed, she is 28, ill have to ask her if she fancies a dance from bond, although going by her girlfriend, yes I said girlfriend, I think it will be in vain :-) but my mother does have a massive crush in mysterious men with great bodys, know any ;-)
Chris the REDman {Ed007's Note - HHmmmmm sounds VERY interesting!! :-)

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24 May 2013 06:57:17
Who will be r first signin

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Taylor no one really knows whos our first signing. its all guess work. apart from the ovious Zaha.

singh

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24 May 2013 09:51:42
David Moyes

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24 May 2013 06:54:49
Redseven I owe u an apology mate, it was not u who claimed to take a list of names, it was a long day of rooney debates and after we got into a debate about it I just assumed it was u and it wernt and for that I apologize.
If u dnt think rooneys camp leaked this to the press then i'm sorry but u are very naive. Rooney has form for this and I now dnt blame the club for spinning it to their advantage, after all rooney has treated us with utter contempt.
Once again apologies for the misquote
Chris the REDman

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Chris the Redman. I think you are wrong when you say Rooney has treated the club wrongly. He has given 9 years of his career to the club, and he has given the club and the fans a lot success throughout those 9 years. Rooney has been a great player for club, and has scored a lot vital and wonderful goals, and I think he deserves a bit more credit from the fans, who often expect too much. Also on the pitch, Rooney has always worked hard, and from what I know in training Rooney has always worked hard. Plus Rooney always seems humble, praising the team and the other players rather than himself. Yes he needs to get fitter and slimmer, but he knows that and his fitness and shape did improve though the season, although he does need to quit the smoking because that is disrespectful to the club.

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Gilly - 'he has given 9 years of his career to the club'

You make it sound like the lad has been a martyr, or was being held here against his will!

He was employed by us on an astronomical wage and waited on hand and foot.

It was very good of him to do what he was getting paid for :)

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Gilly if its wrong to expect a player getting 250k a week to keep his general fitness levels in shape and perform to his best then yes I agree with u! I look at someone like wellbeck and Hernandez as an example, train well, put 100% in and are on a pittance compared to rooney
Chris the REDman

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Stevie, Chris. I agree we pay Rooney too much, though I know for a fact his wage is under 200k. Chris, read my post. I stated clearly that Rooney needs to get fitter and slimmer, and I said his smoking is disrespectful to the club. However, Rooney has given 9 years of his career to the club and he has performed very well throughout that time, and he has given the club a lot of success, that is undeniable.

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Ok gilly!
I can't be bothered to get into another rooney debate again!
Chris the REDman

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24 May 2013 01:57:01
Hi guys, just wanted yr thoughts regards to young zaha. realistically would he be utilised more of an out and winger in a traditional 4-4-2 or could he do a job in a wing forward role in a 4-3-3? I have seen him a few times and based on the set skills he posseses my thoughts are he could do a job for us in both tactical systems as he is adept in cutting in as well as hogging the touch line to attack the full back but of course there is a big leap from the championship and the premiership. hope he gets 20 - 25 games next season. thoughts?
Mancunian dream

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24 May 2013 07:52:52
I would say he is more of a wing-forward as he has played as a striker and as a winger at times. He could play wide in either a 442, 433 or 4231. He can be a very useful asset to us. Not only is he very talented but he's versitile as well. It'll be interesting to see how Moyes thinks he is best used.

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Ive seem a lot of him over the last 2 seasons and I think a lot might surprised how well he does next season
Chris the REDman

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24 May 2013 10:18:39
I think it'll be sub appearances at first to slowly bring him in. Then starts against weaker teams. On the wing at first to get him used to the step up then as the season goes on and he adapts try other things. MrE

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Hi shappy,
Yep, generally based on the games I have seen him play I am quite confident in zahas versatility to operate in a fee formations. our current wingers performances have been of great concern. united have always been traditionally strong in the wing as counter attacking and wing play have always been a hallmark of our play going back to the days of best, macari, kanchelskis, lee sharpe.
Mancunian dream

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24 May 2013 13:25:17
Although wing play has been a big part of our history, we need to move with the times. I think we need to either look at inverted type wingers or even formations without wingers. Either way it should be interesting to see how Zaha fits into Moyes plan.

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23 May 2013 23:39:55
Manchester united have apparently refinanced £200 million of debt with a loan from the bank of america at a much lower interest rate reducing interest payments from 31 million to 21 million which is good saves 10 million much rather my club wasnt in debt instead though but it is a positive.
Brow red

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I think it's to pay for Rooney's new contract extension 400k a week I hear :)

Shahram

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Not a situation the club should ever have been put in, and not something to necessarily sing and dance about.

Hopefully, given recent advancement, it won't be long before we're rid of the hanging burden above us.

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I think it's a bit harsh referring to KLOOT as a "hanging burden".

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