Manchester United Banter Archive November 24 2012

 

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24 Nov 2012 23:21:52
Can't beleive the people who said ando was fat, after chicha's goal I seen a picture where he raised his shirt, the man isn't fat he is built!

Caolán.

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Get a room ; )

Gav

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24 Nov 2012 22:43:09
We look like a totally different team with Ando! He needs to start!

19-20 MUFC

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24 Nov 2012 22:24:22
Scholes is a man united great . Just get off his back and let him play his game. A game will come and he will do a killer pass or score a great goal . Oh and then were get so called united fans saying how great he is

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You mean Scholes is a Man Utd great based on performances when he was at or around his peak. That is not in question. You have to differentiate between the Scholes of then and the current version. The current version is no longer good enough. Sad to say but now that he's too slow, not fit enough and gives an alarming number of free kicks away in dangerous areas. Age catches up with all of us - time to retire now Scholesy and thanks for the memories.
PerthDave

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Don't you get it. Nobody is saying he wasn't one of the greatest EVER to wear a united shirt but now I hear people moan when his name is read out. And now he gives the ball away gets caught in possession and it has nothing to do with ability it has everything to do with AGE. Please lets not get to the point when everyone remembers him for staying too long. I only want glorious memories of him and Giggs and I hate having these feelings of dissapointment when ever I see their names on the team sheet. I AM KLOOT

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A midfield with best,Edwards, and charlton would destroy anything there is today, edwards was a beast and showed it in his last game on english soil against arsenal, if any1 has any doubts how gd he was should research that game.
Chris the REDman

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24 Nov 2012 22:12:03
____________De Gea
_______Smalls______Evans
Tony.V_______Jones_______Rafael
______Clevers_______Anders
____________Kagawa
____V.Persie__________Rooney

Would love to see the manager try this formation and line-up. With the wingers injured and not making a difference I would go for a diamond with this personnel. Lets be honest Valencia pretty much plays like a RB anyway and we have seen Rafael on the left, he would cut in well.

Sydney!

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I would like to see that team but I think Carrick is better than Cleverley so play him there instead.

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The only change to that line up i'd make is to play Rafael at RB as he has been one of if not our best player this season and he's done it playing at RB. I'd play Buttner at LB, i know he is raw but he won't improve unless he plays. Evra was poor when he first started playing for us but the manaager stuck with him and he was able to become a great player for us. Now his time with us is up and he is past his best we need to give Buttner the same chance we gave Evra.

Shappy

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Carrick would need to play for me. Smalling, Evans and Jones ahead of them is a bit too experimental. I'd replace Jones with Carrick and probably think about keeping Rafael at RB seeing as he's doing well there. The rest looks pretty good

Gav

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The team looks pretty good but a lot will depend on Cleverly performing as the key midfielder piece. I also would keep Rafael at right back and unfortunately stick with Evra but he is still better than Buttner.

Shahram

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Gav

Common concensus on here is that Carrick lacks the pace to play a line defensive mud role.

He doesn't get out to the full back areas quick enough to cover attacking fullbacks (a pre requisite for the role) and when losing the ball himself can't scramble back to recover himself... Exposing the back two. He is also not tough enough in the tackle.

Jones is being put there to fill a hole in our squad... A player like Tiote, Sandro, Wanyama would be ideal in that formation.

DodgyBanter

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Tiote is a liability. A card waiting to happen. Wanyama if Vidal won't leve Juve.

Kuala

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DB

I do understand your point on Carrick's pace but for me Jones lacks a bit of technical ability to play ahead of the CB's and he certainly doesn't have the ability to pick a pass like Carrick. We need to purchase a player for this holding role but until then I would opt for Carrick over Jones

Carrick and Anderson to play in a 4231 for me

Gav

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24 Nov 2012 21:25:03
I'm sure it was said only last January that scholes was best singing SAF did. We all know he could do with having the other players do the work rate and running for him . You don't see scholes bottle a tackle . He shows for the ball all the time . He is the best passer of the ball man utd have .

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What's your point? He's a legend...but he's 38 and well past best. Are we building for the future or are we clinging to the past?

AJH

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...pointless post of the day award goes to...when we play a 2 man CM we can't afford to play someone who needs others to do the "work rate and running" for him!

Why don't we just play 10 against 11 each week?

Gav

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Last January the manager should have gone out and bought instead of bringing scholes back and no i don't remember who was available but pretty sure there was quality out there. Dembele comes to mind.

Shahram

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24 Nov 2012 20:52:02
Left it a while for todays game !

I love paul scholes but it his time for him go as much as it kills me to say it!

Powell will be a star its clear to see!

Rooney isnt the plyer he was and thats down to fergie changing him! but is still class, but not world class!

Anderson! were to begin , yet again he turned the game, honestly he needs a run of games, he has proved himself over the last month !

Overall crap for 60 mins and then little pea and anderson turned up! jonny evans is 1st choice at the minute , is dooing well .

Hope people see sense, but also no matter who plays we should be cheering and backing them to the stars and back

Big V

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Rooney is world class tell me how many teams in the world wouldn't love to sign him
Ando looks good even his ass is smaller
Chicharito why anyone would ever want to sell him is beyond me much prefer losing Welbeck who will never be worthy of a Utd shirt

Pardoe

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24 Nov 2012 20:29:41
At what point does the realisation hit you? At what point does something become clear to the most stubborn person on the planet?

I could not believe that Ferguson selected a central midfield of Scholes and Fletcher after the Giggs fiasco last week. It really was an absolute joke. So when the game started I was not surprised that the energy and tempo from midfield was too slow and deliberate. It took the goal from Rangers to wake Ferguson up and bring on some pace and energy. We can sit here and recognise that Young and Welbeck were shocking, that Scholes is now embarrassing and the Manager seems incapable of deciding on a bit of energy in midfield but actually it is obvious the manager is incapable of acknowledging he is wrong.

Scholes or Giggs and anyone is frankly embarrassing and has to stop.

Shock, Anderson and Hernandez gave us energy but what is worrying is that our manager didn't see it and preferred a 38 year old to struggle in front of our eyes and had to be forced into a change.

Finally, despite struggling badly the manager never went into the coaching area. The statue was unveiled this week and at half time there was a real cringing song about him, I may be wrong but so many things point to his final season.

Red Man

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The Tartan kit, the statue and the stand named after him, oh and the fact he said this could be his final season makes me believe it is. I think he may want one more season, but I think he may be advised to retire if Guardiola agrees to come in this summer? Just a thought.

Sydney!

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I never thought about the tartan kit thats a interesting point

marlow

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He's always been stubborn but as you get older you become more stubborn. This is having a detremntal effect on our team selection, tactics etc.
NoMidfield

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24 Nov 2012 20:28:13
strootman herrera tello for scholes giggs nani carrick
and benatia for ferdinand in may

id take that between jan and may

cleverley andersson powell kagawa tello strootman herrera fletcher young valencia would leave good midfield options

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24 Nov 2012 20:07:16
with scholes suspended hopefully on wednesday it will be anderson cleverly with fletcher/carrick behind and rooney in front
Will Red

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24 Nov 2012 19:11:01
Great Scholes is banned so now we can see Anderson and Carrick oh no.... Giggs will play..... Thanks Fergie.

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24 Nov 2012 18:49:50
Rooney proved again with 2 assist how imp he is for our team n we need players 2 provide ball for van persie he had a quite match bcs of lack of passes 2 him
Sid_mumbai

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When you say assists, you mean corners don't you

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24 Nov 2012 20:08:50
if a corner sets up a goal is it not an assist?

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Of course a corner counts an assist.... Blimey.

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I can whip a corner in ffs!

It's a technical assist, but it's hardly hitting a perfectly weighted reverse pass through the eye of a needle - are these the straws we're clinging to in order to prove our favourite has had a good game?

Like to see the day Messi or Ronaldo have their performances measured by, 'well he hit two good corners'. puurrrleeez...

StevieK

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Nobody said he had a blinder..... The argument is whether a corner is an assist.

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StevieK...quality post

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 23:10:30
Look at what rooney has done for us since hes been here. his goal and assist record speaks for itself. hes only 25 and has his peak to come. hes had a few indifferent games but hes just come back from injury ffs. he will get 20 goals guatenteed even in a poor season. get of his back and support yourvteam and the best players we have instead of just criticising them for only providing 2 goals from corners. its not playstation he cant get a hat trick or overhead kick every game

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He is 27
SK

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24 Nov 2012 18:39:16
Comparing the 08 team to now, the noticeable thing is that we were a little more difrect as we had more players that ran at people. That is what Anderson did today and it brought us the win - this I feel is important to learn from. I think we need skillful, but direct players who get the ball and run forwards like Ronaldo did in his time here, and Anderson did today.

As I have always argued, Anderson can be excellent for us, he was an integral part of our CL winning side remember.

Fresh!

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24 Nov 2012 18:34:21
For Gods sake we were playing the worst team in the league at home and we were pathetic. I really really hate the fact that now when one of the greatest players ever to wear a red shirt's name is read out on the starting line up loads of people sat near me moan and with good reason. And Fletcher god bless him I am so happy for him getting that goal but as an influential mid fielder he is finished gone. Now lets talk about my usual bug bare Rooney. Last week everyone was saying if Rooney was playing we wouldn't have lost to Norwich so I did what i always do I counted and in the first twenty minutes he lost control or gave the ball away 16 times. If that was Carrick he would get slaughtered. This was QPR for gods sake and Rooney didn't beat a man once. Even QPR who are basically rubbish knew that they could just run through our mid field as every team does and still nothing is done about it. I have been Anderson's biggest critic because of his weight attitude and off the pitch life style but I have to hold my hands up and say that recently he looks a different player and if he was played as an attacking midfielder he would bring so much more pace to the side. Speaking about getting it wrong. How wrong have I been about Johnny Evans. I really didn't think he would make it but he has completely won me over and is the most improved player at the club. He is calm on the ball and works really hard. Johnny I am sorry and look forward to you just getting better and better. On another positive note Powell once again showed some great touches and looks class. I wish the Brand would watch him and see how he tries to moved in a forward direction rather than playing a sideways or backwards pass. I don't know who is to blame but someone needs to sit the team down and tell them some home truths todays performance was not good enough for any one wearing a red shirt. I AM KLOOT

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Rooney got the first 2 assists

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KLOOTSTER, completely agree. I ousted a rant just after QPR scored, it's getting so bloody frustrating at the moment, melts play Anderson, let's give Cleverley and Powell more game time. Let's use Giggs and Scholes sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. Not sure about Fletcher, but pairing highs with Scholes was simply ridiculous.

AJH

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Totally agree, another comeback papering over the obvious cracks. Anderson changed the game, SAF must start playing him and Cleverly in the middle. If he continues to pick Scholes and Giggs, then say it quietly, he should consider his own future.

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Good to see you coming round to Anderson, KLOOT. Who knows how good he could have been for us over the years, if he had managed to stay largely injury-free, got decent runs in the team, and been played in a position that suits his strengths.

Also glad to see you acknowledge, what many of us over here have suspected for years - that Johnny Evans can be a top-drawer centre-half. He is an excellent reader of the game, his first touch is usually pretty assured, he's got stronger, and I like the way he tries to drive forward with the ball out of defence. Glad to see a local lad doing well at the biggest club in the world - it's been too long :)

StevieK

ps - how did Rooney get MOM on the dodgy channel I watched the game on? Because he ran about a lot? Fair enough, but I would have given it to either of the aforementioned two, or Rafael.

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Your name should be I AM A KLOWN!

Rooney did play this week, we did win, he got an assist and created 5 other chances. Maybe you should of watched the final 70 minutes after you finished analysing Rooney for only 20!

Ports

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Two assists - one corner, and a mistimed header. It's hardly Messi-like guys. calm down.

StevieK

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The manager has to give Anderson a good run and see if he can really play for us. Let him play his natural position and attack.

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I have to agree that Rooney is not the answer to our midfield woes. I remember watching scholes a few years back and recall that during the whole match he only gave the ball away a couple of times similar states to what xavi is producing now. That is a mark of a world class midfielder. Rooney for me should be played up top with van Persie, kagawa behind them which is his best position with three genuine class midfielders behind him.
Like Kloot I wasn't overly positive about Evans but I agree he has improved, I still feel though that when all fit he will not be starting in the centre of defence.
Nathan

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I agree Rooney doesn't perform like a world beater but having him gives the team team a moral boost and there is more urgency in the team (even though its after getting a goal down). He took a couple of wonderful corners and in the open play also there were some great chances created by him. He cant beat a man and go past him but when QPR were on a counterattack I remember him getting back to protect or atleast create a panic in the opposition strikers while our midfielders and defenders were jogging back.
It is not his sublime skills and scoring abilities that the fans love him and so many managers would have him in their team but it is the things he does and the work he puts in that make him an important part of our team.

SHAITAN

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Sorry - two corners.

StevieK

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This Rooney debate is pointless as far as the Rooney brigade is concerned he can do no wrong ad world class even if he played as a goalie.

Here is a fact and pleas feel free to start throwing abuse at me but i guess as the season goes on it will finally sink in that we need a proper young playmaker:).

He is so average as a midfielder and there are 50 guys out there better than him in European football as midfielders and he needs to play up front.

Shahram

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24 Nov 2012 23:40:17
Stevie

Relax mate! No one said he is as good as Messi. But u cant deny the facts, We won the match. Rooney got an assist. He had a few key passes that unfortunately no one can could manage @ Norwich. Not saying he was brilliant. But for people to say,what does he bring to the team. Look at the damn result. But i forget, Wayne is the pantomime villain and yes RVP is God.

Deeps...

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24 Nov 2012 18:32:12
Seems sneijder's future with inter is near the end. Their director has said that he wont play until he decides on taking a pay cut. Exit seems looming. Yes to wes anyone? I feel we have kagawa but a player of sneijder's quality if available for acceptable prices can be good.
Kochi

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No, no,no, just to be clear, no

AJH

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Hes cotnracted till 2015 so hw much would inter want? and how much would he want remember he wanted 250k a week. he has nothing on players like silva, mata , hazard, cazorla. we have kagawa who i believe when he starts playing will make our football more entertaining.
sulei

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AJH just curious why you don't believe he would make a big difference. Do we have any one who can play on the left better than him or if he played centrally, which one of our midfielders do you rate higher than him.

Shahram

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If we are playing him on the left, we need to try Kagawa there. I don't particularly dislike Sneijder, I just think there are fare better talents we can spend our money on. And the 'will he, won't he' forays year drove me round the bend - cant face that again!

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 18:29:51
so far this season out of 13 league games
clevs has started 6 league games
ando 1.
carrick 12
giggs 3.
scholes 4
jred

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Completely ridiculous. This has to Chnage

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 17:58:06
Listening to mutv is hilarious, it's so entertaining. They're so biased and blind....
"Our midfield is the envy of majority of the premier league" what are these guys on? Out of the top 6 I'd say we have the second worst midfield if that.

Anon

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Outrageous

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 17:45:41
Well done to W.B.A for getting to 3rd in the league

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Well done to Steve Clark, excellent number 2... Maybe he can become an excellent number 1? Certainly on the road with what he's doing there... Sparky take note!

DodgyBanter

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24 Nov 2012 17:06:27
Once again Anderson out shines our whole squad..... Fergie wake the frick up ! Anderson is sensational when given a chance and not deployed as a silly defensive midfielder where he is awful.... He is the drive, pace and attacking threat we need through the middle to stop us from constantly needing to go out wide.

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Although this is a fair comment with regards to Anderson's recent performances, people who keep criticising SAF need to remember that SAF spent £18 million on him when he was 19 so the gaffer probably knows he has the ability, however, Anderson's injuries and personal life has slowed his progress so it is important that SAF, now Anderson is showing some sort of form does not just throw him in week in, week out and risk burning him out! I have never felt Anderson has been restricted on the pitch to predominantly defend however his fitness has stopped him getting forward and now we are seeing an Anderson that is showing some fitness, we are seeing his class when he does attack!

Why do people keep saying SAF deploys him as a defensive midfielder, SAF has never played with a defensive midfielder, Roy Keane was not a defensive midfielder, Claude Makelele was a defensive midfielder, people don't give Keane the credit he deserves for going forward because he loved a tackle and he worked hard but he didn't just sit in front of the defense, Robson and Ince before him weren't defensive midfielders, these players are combatitive midfielders. Biscuits, Parker, Mikel, these are defensive midfielders, do not mistake a players lack of fitness and energy as a sign of poor tactics from the gaffer, the player has to take responsibility for his condition and now the penny seems to have dropped with Anderson, maybe we will start seeing the best of him, but don't forget, the times he has started, his fitness level still doesn't allow him to last 90 so SAF will have to manage him!

Ports

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I said plenty of times 12-18 months ago that Anderson is being played out of position. That he is an attacking midfielder, not a defensive or b2b midfielder. Would anyone play Ronaldinho deep in midfield? Exactly my point, he is an attacking midfielder who doesn't get back to defend, like I said all those months ago we bought a payer that doesn't suit the English game or the way SAF wants him to play.

Sydney!

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24 Nov 2012 17:03:34
So we came back again going a goal down but i guess we have seen again wat we need thr was no pace in d 1st half n it al chngd whn anderson came on he injectes pace b4 tht we wer passng sideways i gues its clear tht wat we reqd 2 be more competitive...
Sid_mumbai

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Sorry mate - but you have a problem with your computer - it keeps missing letters out. Maybe it's the keyboard?
Mike

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Its an iphone 5 n thts d way i type its shrt forms bdw
Sid_mumbai {Ed007's Note - I can't read this, please make your posts make sense.}

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Sid, gt a grp m8

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This are the short forms we use in our country guys...
Sid_mumbai

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24 Nov 2012 17:00:40
What have we learned today then?

- Welbeck is not a winger, though this is giving him experience in other positions.

- Scholes shouldn't be starting, Anderson or Cleverley please.

- While we have a short supply of wingers we need to start playing a diamond formation.

- Young is and never will be United quality.

- RVP had a unlucky game, would like to see him score again soon.

- Evra is continuing to be Evra.

- Johnny Evans is doing great.

And one thing I want to add is why do we seem to play so terrible until we go 1-0 down, soon we will go 1-0 down and not get a goal back e.g. Norwich game.

Changes need to be made.

-JakeW

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You learnt from one game that young will never be united quality?

Other than that I guess it's a fair view and I mainly agree.

GDS

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GDS
Young is terrible, lightweight, has no composure, cant skin a player, can't cross.
He shouldn't be starting for united a squad player at best.

Sulei

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To be fair we was playing well in the first half we kept possesion with some neat passing, but nothing seemed to happen in the final third,it seemed to be another one of those days where i could see what was going to happen and it did haha... we became a better side tho when ando and hernandez came on.... anderson was outstanding for me, if he keeps improving his fitness then i think he could become a top player (as many have said on here)..welbeck wasnt great today seemed to lose possession too easily, not slateing him but today was poor (imo) i thought fletcher did well considering its his first prem 90 mins (i think? ha) for a long time and yeah i agree with the vast improvement of evans, he's really worked hard to improve his game over the last couple of seasons and its paying off i think he'll get even better with a couple more years expirience....just for a laugh tho was good to see rio showing tekkers in the middle doing stepovers ffs! haha...overall i know we played bottom of the league but minus the 1 goal conceeded today was a good performance ( especially in the second half)

Rouge Diablo :)

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I actually think Young is quite good but all of our wingers have been shocking this season but people seem to only jump on his back and not Valencia's or Nani's as much.

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Young hasn't been up to standards since half way through last season, only a few games made him stand out such as the 8-2 against Arsenal and the win against Spurs. Other than that he has played poorly, I do hope the lad gains his confidence back and we start to see more convincing performances.

-JakeW

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He stopped taking players on ever since he was slammed for his diving. I also think this is the way they are told to play so they keep hold of possession as Valencia, Nani, Young, Welbeck, Cleverley, Rooney etc all used to take players on, but now just turn back and pass the ball.

Sydney!

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^^ Which no name person just said that NANI and VALENCIA don't get criticised on here as much as YOUNG?!

No one bothers with Young because he is mostly insignificant. Valencia and Nani have been getting slated for not changing games (often with good reason).

Facts are that all three of them are lacking form, end of.

DodgyBanter

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24 Nov 2012 16:56:55
I'm not a manager, I may not understand football enough to comment or criticize SAF. 

But is that difficult to see or weakness? Is difficult to see that we really need energy, pace and freshness in our midfield? Maybe I'm wrong but seems stupid to me to play Giggs or Scholes in the starting 11 instead of Anderson or Cleverly no matter the game.  

We don't have a great team I know but we do have a squad good enough to play acceptable. 

Yes we won the game, but do we really need to struggle like this every week?  

The problem is visible but Fergie refuse to see. 
 
We won't do a comeback every game and would nicer to Win games like a TOP team sometimes.

One last thing for the Rooney haters, do yourself a favor and watch the games with both eyes.

Nick86 

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Well we don't do a comeback every game, just look at last week against Norwich. I'm starting to get worried about when we face City, or the champions league draw.

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24 Nov 2012 16:56:47
We didn't play better until the subs came in, please start Anderson, our best mid

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24 Nov 2012 16:53:37
What does Ando have to do to start as first choice?! He always changes the game when he comes on.

Young Scholes Welbeck OFF
Ando Hernandez Powell ON

How many are surprised we are suddenly playing better?

DodgyBanter

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Quite right, it was exasperating...again. The squad is good enough to win the league, but the selections continue to be bizarre.

AJH

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Maybe ando has to screw his brothers wife to play regulary

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24 Nov 2012 16:53:32
Is there an award for the team that makes the most comebacks in a season? As we seem to be doing our best to win it.

Shappy

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24 Nov 2012 16:50:41
What absolute garbage the first 60 mins were! People may hail fergy's subsitution policy but anybody who knows anything about football would have brought on anderson at half time. He should be one of the firt names on the team sheet.

Ste-Utd

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Why play a hungry energetic driving force when you can play a static 38 year old?

AJH

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Ando certainly has been hungry in the past. Pies, KFC, burgers. Nom nom.

Looks quality now though

Kuala

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24 Nov 2012 16:34:58
Great to see Fletcher score! Can this please be a wake up call to Fergie, Anderson needs to play!

Now put on Cleverly!

PG

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Forgot to add, Rafael for MOTM!

PG

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Ando for motm we wouldnt off won if he didnt come on

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24 Nov 2012 16:34:48
What more does fergie need to see that scholes and giggs are to be used ocassionally and ando and chicha week in week out? Ando's pace has turned the game
RD27

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24 Nov 2012 16:34:08
Ando has been excellent.

Caolán.

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24 Nov 2012 16:28:18
All I'm going to say is how dire is this midfield pairing of Fletcher and Scholes. An ill man and a nearly-40 -year old. Hardly a dynamic duo that are to the high standards of Manchester United.

Fresh!

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Another bizarre selection. Surely the most consistent central 3 at the moment are Carrick, Amderson and Cleverley. Any 2 from 3 would have even a big improvement. I understand he might have wanted to give Fletcher a game...but paired with Scholes? Very odd.

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 16:26:57
Finally!

Caolán.

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24 Nov 2012 16:19:10
Aaargghhh. I don't care if we score 3 or 5 or 7, this is simply not good enough. Losing at Norwich was bad enough but labouring against the worst team in the Division, at OT, and then conceding is just poor. It's so frustrating to see the laboured one paced pedestrian play when we have pace and energy on the bench. For pity's sake, Chnage the bloody record Fergie. Rant over

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 16:18:03
Scholes, please!

Nick86

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24 Nov 2012 16:16:26
finally something good happens for us.

scholes banned for the next game.

TRUMORS

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Hope Ferguson doesnt see it as a sign to use giggs for experience against Westham. He has to realise that 38-39 year-old players dont offer valuble experiwnce, they just make us lose games.

Mick

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That is great... NOT. it just means Giggs will start instead.

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24 Nov 2012 16:14:26
Disgrace every player should hang their head in shame. Abismal.

Caolán.

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Ment to post this at half time!

Caolán.

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24 Nov 2012 16:08:55
On a previous post i replied that we have 4/5 sometimes 6 players who are average and i see the team today and that just confirms what i said.

Lindegard-average
Rio-past it
Evra-past it
Scholes-past it
Welbeck-average
Young-average
Fletcher-average

We cannot keep carrying players as we will get caught out.

Tacticallyinept

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I agree with all those players being av except welbeck who is class considering hes our 4th choice striker hes got bags of potential, young is also above average but we really need to shift all these dead players

marlow

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24 Nov 2012 16:04:08
Recently old trafford crowd is being critisized for being lil silent but if u continue playng like dis wat wil dey cheer about we are just passing ball sideways

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24 Nov 2012 16:01:37
are midfield is avarage at best,we can see it why cant fergie?

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24 Nov 2012 15:59:10
This is what you get when you have Scholes and Fletcher in midfield, we will scrape by but what ever happen to goal differential

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24 Nov 2012 15:58:18
I guess qpr can pull a Norwich on us

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24 Nov 2012 15:57:00
i honestly prefer to watch eastenders these days than this sh1t...
every week i get myself excited about the game and when it arrives and im watching it i fall to sleep or get bored and channel hop...

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24 Nov 2012 15:52:44
First half - we were rubbish. I'm afraid that Fletcher has not been up to it, nor Scholes. Wlbeck dreadful on the wing. Usual story, no penetration, no threat, passing weak and innacurate. Hairdryer time, I think.
Mike B.

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Perhaps its the manager who should have the hairdryer treatment, he keeps picking the same sh*te and saying i put out a team to win. i am affraid he is to blame!

Dave

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24 Nov 2012 15:52:39
Embarrassing. Playing at home against the worst team in the league and we are making them look the better side. The manager refuses to acknowledge the mistakes he is making and continues to make them week after week. We are left with a stationary midfield, who never drive forward, and teams are becoming increasingly wise to the fact that if you stop our long balls to the wing our midfield lack any ideas.

Scholes could have been off in the first 20 min, and he has been a liability all day. Evra has been awful in possession, how many times has he lost the ball? Where has Rooney been? Isn't he supposed to be world class and able to take control of a game like this? What does Welbeck add?

I've been banging this drum for the last two years, but honestly, does this Manchester United side look like a team capable of competing with the world's best?

Danny Pughnited

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No we don't... real madrid, barca and even dortmund are miles ahead of us..

i really feel sorry for kagawa, coming from such a good passing attacking team to this sh1t that just pass sideways and backwards and create f# all...

it's embarrassing how sh1t we've become..

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No where near, and its the truth people are so deluded if they think this is a elite side that can compete with Europe's best.

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For gods sake calm down and get behind the team for once!

Red Daz

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24 Nov 2012 15:47:51
Terrible performance so far.

Caolán.

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24 Nov 2012 15:26:16
wow we are so boring to watch...
we hardly test goalkeepers often anymore, scholes and fletcher are sitting too deep and we aren't pushing them back and keeping them pinned in...

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Totally agree, our football most times is boring to watch as we keep passing backwards. fergie eeds to start picking anderson and cleverley to bring speed and flair into or game.

TRUMORS

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Despite what the in SAF we trust mob say on here we are no longer a good side. A few glimpses of class from RVP can't paper over the cracks, most games we are poor and always fall behind. We need half a dozen new players and a new manager and even someone with the most rose tinted glasses would struggle to argue.

Dave

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A new manager will do as I've been saying all along. But be careful no one can critisize saf. Otherwise u get called all sorts. He is making bad team selections EVERY week.
NoMidfield

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24 Nov 2012 15:13:46
What is wrong with Welbeck this season.... He has been dreadful there is no excuse no matter whether hes on the left r up top he should still be able to do something right.

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24 Nov 2012 15:04:44
whats the excuse for de gea not starting this time ?!

TRUMORS

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Problem with wisdom teeth apparantly....
HERBIE

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24 Nov 2012 14:57:45
This is the confirmed line-up for today.

____________Lind
Rafa____Ferdy___Evans____Evra
_______Fletch___Scholes______
Young_____Rooney_____Welbeck
____________RVP_____________

George

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24 Nov 2012 14:54:29
Interesting choices in the team selection today...

Rio and Evans at the back - probably our best defensive combination over the last 12 months, would be nice to see Smalling start but I'm not too disappointed

Fletcher and Scholes in CM - bit worried about the lack of pace here, again. I'm glad it's Scholes and not Giggs but I would have chosen the energy of Cleverly or Anderson to partner Fletcher

Rooney and RVP up front - wohoo! What more is there to say

Overall it's only the midfield I'm worried about but hopefully we can boss possession. If that happens I'm hoping for a good performance and good result

Best of luck to us!

Gav

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Turns out I was right about midfield, we are lacking energy and drive in there and the protection for the defence is not great. Hope to see Anderson in 2nd half or perhaps Cleverly. We still have enough fire power to win the game comfortably so long as we don't slip up at the other end...

Gav

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24 Nov 2012 14:51:10
It amazes me how Fergie can not see we need some pace ad drive in our central positions and he picks Carrick and Giggs one week then Scholes and Fletcher the next.... MADNESS!.... Why not give Anderson and Cleverley a go or Ando and Fletch or Clevs and Fletch. We struggle that much in the middle of the park playing 433 wouldnt be the worst that could happen with Carrick.Fletch.Ando.

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Its shahram
SK

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Thank you i am available but warning to all i will be doing a whole sale clear out. LMAOF

Shahram

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24 Nov 2012 14:48:30
Lmao! I think alex ferguson replacement should be sydney or sharam as they know more football tactics that ferguson.they will win us lots of trophies and buy quality players

Andy p

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Andy I am just a realist and not a day dreamer and as much as fan as everyone else.

We don't have a midfield playmaker and to me the fix is very simple, buy 2 bloody world class midfielders and a left back if funds are an issue as I think we have enough at centre back.

You can have a laugh but i guarantee you we will not win sh..t this year if saf does not buy in January. (Rooney is not a midfielder and will never be any good at it)

Shahram

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24 Nov 2012 14:48:19
Not many clubs start an EPL match with better players on the bench than on the field...but we do

Devil Dust.

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24 Nov 2012 14:42:28
i hope chelsea decide to sell lukaku because he is one real good player.

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24 Nov 2012 13:51:47
A POSSIBLE MERRY GO ROUND IN THE SUMMER.

Moutinho to Spurs 22m (maybe jan)
Anderson to Porto 10m to replace him.
James Rodriguez to Man United for 18m plus Ando 10m
Nani to Inter/Juv/Barca/Madrid for 15m.

Spurs will fund Moutinho deal buy selling Sandro or Parker.
Man United offer 15m for Sandro & knowing Spurs will get priced out & buy Strootman instead.

IN
Rodriguez 28m
Strootman 15m

TOTAL 43m

OUT
Anderson 10m
Nani 15m (last year in contract)
Macheda 2m Italy/Turkey/Portugal?
King 1m - Blackburn Rovers? (maybe in jan)
Brady 2m - Hull City/Wolves/Blackpool?

TOTAL 30m

TJ
Bebe 1m - Portugal?
Wootton 1m - Championship?

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Tune in next week for more ''I play too much Football Manager and need another hobby''...

Andy!

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That is hardly Football manager Andy. Those 7 outs are realistic if the offers come in and the 2 ins are doable as well but add on an extra 7 or so million to Rodriguez's price.

George

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Nice one andy

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24 Nov 2012 13:37:20
ashley cole anyone?

still a very good leftback.

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I would take him in a heart beat still a class act.

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Noooooo, where's the sense in trading 1 left back whose legs have gone for 1 whose legs are likely to go some time soon? Pplease God no.

AJH

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Wouldn't care if he was 25 and the best in the world - he's a hateful, poisonous little cretin who I wouldn't want anywhere near our club. We're better than that, aren't we?

StevieK

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24 Nov 2012 12:12:35
today i was comparing some players linked to us..i saw a lot of videos of both isco and james rodriguez of porto.i found it very intriguing that the videos of james only shows his bunch of goals and assists,,not a single video of his skill or flair,,then i saw videos of isco who very much plays like mata,,with more flair and sublime skills.i know youtube wont help in fair picture.but atleast gives idea that more ronaldo-esque player among both is clearly isco.

here i have attached urls of 2012-2013 videos of both..banter please
rodriguez:-www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxm6hS5Dje4

isco:-www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2QlcZ3tSg


surz

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James Rodriguez is ridiculously skilled.... He just doesnt take tiny steps like Mata he likes to run with the ball and use his power.

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Isco for me please

marlow

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That wont be the case in EPL.Over the years we have wept on spoilt chances of not bringing the likes of mata and silva.
for me Rodriguez is a good player but certainly his evaluations are way off

surz

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24 Nov 2012 12:08:00
Not United related but you have to imagine where QPR would be now if they hired Harry a year ago.... He is so much better in the market than Hughes and with the money Hughes spent you cant help but think it could of gone to a much better use.

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24 Nov 2012 10:00:53
anyone else think Ed 002 should take over from SAF!

GWHIZZ

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God and I thought Sydney was 002's biggest lick ass....obviously not !

Devil Dust.

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24 Nov 2012 12:15:45
Finally a possibility of seeing Smalling and Jones together today!
Fingers crossed!
SK

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Not yet too soon. They need to be fully match fit and sharp first.

Mad Hatter

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Smalling is injured
jred

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Jred
He was on the bench wasnt he?
SK

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24 Nov 2012 12:00:27
Please please saf, dont let Chelski or citeh buy Falcao, we need him in our side. With him and RVP and rooney Kagawa playing behind, I fancy us against any team.
Come on Saf, quality comes at a price, you just need to look at RVP.
NoMidfield

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I look at this post asking us to pay upwards of £50 million for another striker, then I look at your name, and I wonder if I've actually been misunderstanding the sentiment behind it. While I originally thought it was in reference to our lack of quality in the middle I know realise that it indicates a radical footballing philosophy advocating the rejection of midfielders in general.

Danny Pughnited

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And how are we going to play Rooney, Falcao, RVP, Kagawa all in the same team and get the best out of them..... we would be better of buying Lars Bender and Yohann Cabaye.

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Wow, you've been really damning about our team and manager in recent times, then you come out with that

What a waste of our transfer fund that would be

CM, LB, LAM - all required before another forward

Gav

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Lol, you're clearly confused!

AJH

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24 Nov 2012 10:07:49
Well what can I say, I went down to the unveiling of the statue yesterday afternoon and the atmosphere was brilliant there were some real legends there. Then it came to the statue being unveiled and i don't think a crowd has ever been so underwhelmed. If this had been done by a 6th former for their A level art project you might have thought good effort but the club has paid a lot of money for a statue that looks nothing like the man. Still its another place for japanese tourists to have their photos taken. I AM KLOOT

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24 Nov 2012 12:14:39
I'm guessing it looks like a great midfield and the actual Utd midfield, nothing like it.

Jenny Taylor

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Another insult to "out of town-ers" from KLOOT, any opportunity eh?

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So kloot why only Japanese? Do the people from Manchester don't own any cameras

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Absolute pathetic hint by Kloot.... Without the international fan base we wouldnt be half the club.

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24 Nov 2012 10:01:02
all i want for christmas... Is ryan giggs to retire.

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What a really sad pathetic thing to say, after the years service Giggs as gave Man United some fans think like that, am an Everton fan and think Giggs is the best prem player since the prem started. Terry blue

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Pele is one the best players ever to play the game as well but you wouldn't want him playing up front would? Giggs should have done what Gary Neville did and leave when he realised he wasn't good enough anymore.

GDS

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He was a great player back in his day. But his day was years ago. Today he is risking the fans memory of him.

The abiding memory is Giggsy in full flight down the left wing turning leftbacks inside out with his dribbling.

He can't do it anymore. Look at comments down the page, he's even called a stutue by someone. He offers very little in centre midfield, has no pace and is getting ran past by players 10-15 even 20 years younger. He struggles to retain the ball, his passing has become wayward.

I like the bloke and he is a club legend but whats really pathetic is that we seem to be keping him on at his age when the guy has earned his retirement and place in the history books.

He really should hang the boots up this summer and let us look to the future rather than living on past glories.

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Ya was 1 of the best prem players but know where near now he should retire end of season him and scholes the game is 2 quick for them bothlike last sat against norwich giggs carnt play in midfield as part of two in middle they both better last 20mins of agame now man united get beaten when they in

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24 Nov 2012 13:29:42
He shouldnt start but still has the vision to create chances from the bench in last half hour, he is still fit and can still contribute.
If he plays centre mid with carrick he is awfull but i bet he creates a fair few more chances before end of season, and then should probably think about calling it a day, and what a player he has been for us!
Will Red

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You can't blame Giggs, blame the manager for starting him and leaving him on for 90 minutes. Giggs has a role to play and could be a very good sub for us in games. He deserves our respect for all that he has done for our club.

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24 Nov 2012 09:46:27
Predition for today!

Man united 4 qpr 1

Rooney 2

Van persie 2

! please no giggs or rio today!

Big v

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24 Nov 2012 06:35:39
Morning eds, if any of you have a bit of time, just wondering who you rate (say top 5 in the world) in terms of playmakers, players in a Modric sort of mold. Personally I don't see us signing a more defensively minded central player unless SAF isn't at the healm, it's simply not how he likes to play football! So anyway, top 5 playmakers in the world? Cheers in advance!

Andy! {Ed004's Note - Cabaye, Moutinho and Veratti are the only ones I can think of and that's excluding the obvious ones like Alonso, Modric and Xavi Ect}

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These is only one we need go for, step forward Mr Cabaye!

Jono

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Marchisio, Verrati, Iniesta, Silva, Matta for me.
Shahram

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24 Nov 2012 08:59:13
The owners would love it what with the money and interests
it would bring to the club! But it would never happen while SAf is at the
club!
CardiffRED

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Im guessing this was a reply to someone ?
unless you want us to guess what your on about.

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Yeahaa sorry it was meant as a reply to someone saying about Beckham becoming an ambassador at the club
CardiffRED

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24 Nov 2012 12:34:01
Converting the team to American Football and a big Casino under the SAF stand. Obvious really.

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24 Nov 2012 08:54:47
Definitely need a quality CB in January. The goals we've conceded so far this season are mainly down to sloppy defending. I think a player like Mats Hummels is what we need to strengthen our defense.

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24 Nov 2012 13:33:35
goals weve conceded are down to lack of legs in midfield also.
Got Vidic Evans and Jones to come back soon

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24 Nov 2012 07:53:03
There's lots of talk about next year's team. Personally, I think we should sign Baines, Hummels and Vidal, and Eriksen. As well as Rodriguez, Strootman...and then also bring Ronaldo back as well as signing Benzema. If we can, we should buy Neymar as well, if not Messi.

Gotcha! Sorry for the sarcasm but there are so many names being thrown about on here. At best we will sign 2/3 - you can't Chnage 4 of your 1st team at once and expect it to work. Me may not like it, but it's evolution.

AJH

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True, look at QPR!

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I think potentially 4-5 signings are all we need and 2-3 of them will probably be squaddies/ kids.

We do have our own youth to think of after all.

I think any defensive signings really depend on what happens with Evra & Fabio for leftback and on Vidic and Ferdinand for centreback. Like if Fabio can stay inury free for example we probably wont sign a left back, although my preference would be bid for Baines and sell Evra. If Vidic can come back from injury we probably wont sign a centreback although my preference would be to sell Vidic if Anzi are daft enough to offer anywhere near 20 million and slowly phase Rio out and try and sign one of Hummels, Papa, Subotic, Ogbonna.

Midfield is where we need signings but again a lot is dependent on departures, if both Giggs & Scholes retire then we need 1 signing to replace Scholes and promote someone to replace Giggs. But throw in question marks over the futures of Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick then if 1 or 2 of those do go then we need to buy to replace them as well as promoting the likes of Powell/ Petrucci.

The main obvious area is out wide, we do lack a left footed wide player who can play wing or further forward. And then there is the departure of Nani and we seriously need a replacement for him. I can also see Young maybe going for the right offer. Maybe if Harry kept QPR up?

The only place we need no signings is upfront.

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24 Nov 2012 07:49:20
With it likely that Scholes and Giggs will be retiring in the summer I would say it is unlikely that Anderson will leave as we won't wanna lose three midfielders at once. Sir Alex does evolution not revolution. Like wise I can't see Vidic Rio and Evra leaving our defence, infact considering the fact that all our other defenders are under 25 it would be madness to lose such experiance. So I would say that only one of the defenders are likely to leave. Vidic I think is highly unlikely to go, he is still our best defender and captain. So only one of Evra or Rio is imo likely to be off in the summer, my question is which of the two would you prefer to leave?

Shappy

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Shappy i would say Evra, he still looks dodgy and at times in games your just waiting for the mistake to happen. I feel Rio still has something to offer in the dressing room and experience he can pass onto Smalling, Evans & Keane so i'd keep him another season and slowly phase him out.

Vidic i think we need to see if he can come back to his pre injury form before making a decison unless Anzi offer something we couldn't turn down. But even if we kept him i'd slowly start phasing him out and look for a longterm successor.

Mort

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Evra needs to go and be replaced with a quality LB like Baines IMO

In terms of CB, it depends on how Vidic does when he comes back in the new year but so long as he looks fit and able I wouldn't be too dissapointed with another season of Vidic/Smalling/Evans (2 of these to be first choice), Jones and Rio (as further cover)

So I think we should replace Evra summer of 2013 then replace Rio/Vidic summer of 2014

Gav

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I'll disagree with you Shappy Giggs and Scholes will be offered another 12 months

Pardoe

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I too feel it would be better to keep Rio and sell Evra, but i just have a funny feeling it will be the other way around.

Pardoe, i'm not so sure, the only way i see them being offered another year is if Sir Alex stays on and i get the feeling this is his last year.

Giggs normally gets offered his new deal november/december time but has been told he'll have to wait until april/may for an offer this time. And Scholes has already retired once, i think he's stayed on this year soley as a favour for Sir Alex.

I just don't see any of them being here at the start of next season.
I also suspect the midfield has been left as it is a key area, and the type of midfielder we sign will depend on how we are gonna play which will be detirmined by who is managing the club next summer. So i suspect that we won't sign a midfielder in January but maybe players for other areas then all thats left for the new manager to do is sign the midfielder/s he wants to enable him to play the kind of football he wants.

Shappy

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God I hope you are right Shappy but SAF did mention in an interview that Giggs would be offered another year

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