Manchester United Banter Archive October 24 2012

24 Oct 2012 22:55:30
Heard the Sheikh has ordered for scouts in search for best Mathematicians after he was being told Man City to qualify for next round in CL now is only a mathematical possibility. LOL

Mystik_al

24 Oct 2012 22:15:33
Some of Fergie's comments leave me scratching my head. He doesn't know how we conceded? Look in the mirror, you continue to play poor Carrick out of position instead of playing a young natural defender in his proper position. It's kind of worrying that we have no balance to our team. We don't know what formation we are playing from game to game. It's just feels like the manager is piecing it together game by game. Hopefully , once Smalling and Jones come back that will solidify our team

He said he doesn't know why we keep conceding early goals in games, he knows very well what happened against Braga.

Hoppy

How did he not know before the game that playing Carrick in CD is a mistake he CANNOT play there.
The kid Wooton should have played as he is a central defender but he is not 22/23 yet so in Fergies eyes nowadays thats the age you should be before getting a chance.

Devil Dust.

24 Oct 2012 22:02:02
Anyone think that Madrid will now go for Gotze which means Ozil would be surplus to requirements? We could move for Ozil and play Rooney, Kagawa and Ozil behind RVP. Either Ozil, Gotze or Isco is what we need!

RedDevil19

I'd rather have Goetze.

G.A.G.U.S

That would be the dream. Ozil Rooney Kagawa and RVP would scare the crap out of any team. If we could just get a a solid DM and a new CB who could cover LB if needed then we would be well set.

I'd love us to sign Ozil, Sandro and Ogbonna next summer.

Shappy

24 Oct 2012 21:53:48
Good to see that 'big' team from Manchester seeping all before them in Europe....

StevieK

24 Oct 2012 21:44:45
Anyone else see the MUFC flag in the Ajax end? Brilliant.

G.A.G.U.S

Yeah but i also saw a a few Braga fans in City shirts yesterday too.

Shappy

24 Oct 2012 21:38:47
theres been alot ov moaning on here about our performance and selection in areas last night and rightly so but we won and chelsea city and arsenal all got beat so oooo yeah

*yawn* can't see your lot beating Chelsea at the weekend in fact even as a Chelsea fan can't see any English team winning the CL this year

24 Oct 2012 21:20:35
I've been lukewarm on Christian Erikson over the past 5 years he's been well-known, but my goodness, against City tonight he looks pure class. Maybe a bit similar in position and build to Kagawa, but that's would be a problem Id deal with with a huge grin on my face. Veratile, technical, stylish, etc. Fergie, sign him up! -KG {Ed004's Note - Yeah think an interchanging attack of Rooney, Kagawa and Eriksen could be good supported by Cleverley and another midfielder.}

I think a line up like that would require a strong defensive player. In an idea world i'd like Sandro. Imagin this line up:

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Buttner
________Sandro_Cleverley
___Eriksen__Rooney__Kagawa
____________RVP


Mouth watering, that team could win everything.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - Yeah, think we would have more chance of signing Wanyama but would love to see Vidal. Maybe in the summer we could see a replacement for Rio and Evra... Someone like Baines and Ogbonna etc}

Fisher the young kid will be better imo and some talent. Something I noticed, which is worth mentioning about Toure. Whilst everyone here thinks YaYa Toure is awesome and we need to buy ourself someone in his mould( I don't BTW), in CL football he has looked like rubbish and been outplayed by faster and technically good footballers both in the Dortmund game and Ajax game. I missed the Real Madrid game and don't know how he performed.

It really makes you wonder would we better off with midfielders that are in the barcelona mould quick/technical and distributors/stamina. I read somewhere where sir alex is not a big fan of a box to box hard tackler ball winner.

Shahram

In the Prem Yaya uses his strength to power through teams, in europe where teams are set up in better tactically and you can't get away with being so physical he does seem to lose his edge. But to be fair none of City's players have looked good in europe this season. And if the team doesn't play well then it is hard for individuals to play well.

ED, i like Vidal but he is unlikely to be available, and Wanyama looks very raw too me, i don't think he'll be ready for us for a year or two at least. Sandro is prem proven and my favourite, but if Spurs won't sell then Capoue is my second choice(and probably a more attainable target). I agree with replacing Rio/Evra with Ogbonna, he looks a cracking player and is versitle which is handy.

Shappy

24 Oct 2012 20:48:23
The only surprise in last nights game was that the manager claimed not to understand how playing a slow turning , 31 year old lack of physical presence central midfield player at centre back instead of a young natural centre back, together with a central midfield player in Fletcher who is off the pace a rusty new left back plus a new formation in which we lack practice will cause issues. Or that Cleverley looked out of position and didnt know where he should be in the first half, (I saw him looking and not know where to be when they had the ball in our right back area where both their goals originated) or that Kagawa is starting to look lost with tactics written on the back of postage stamp.

It may not be the case but it feels like someone has suggested the diamond without actually coaching it, or realising it needs certain types of players to make it work and there might be better versions of it out there since it was conceived.

I watched Phelan when Kagawa was originally injured and Braga got the ball, Phelan stood in the technical area whilst no one covered for Kagawa. Players stayed forward yet still Phelan did not give one direction to anyone to cover, basic common sense for a player, but for a coach? It may be a small point but that small point, that attention to detail, is what made McLaren and Quiroz on a different planet to Phelan.

We are conceding not just because of defence but because of a midfield which doesn't command games or control possession, that doesnt have a leader yet by saying he doesn't understand who is our manager covering for? Himself, Phelan or the owners for not buying the key midfield player that is going to leave us short this season. There is no way players would be allowed to make free unmarked runs when Keane was around, let alone twice.

We should dominate teams like Braga but we have not convinced anyone so far and it's going to be tough to see that changing until we buy several players plus have a coach who can coach

Red Man

Lets be fair to Fletcher, he was left exposed throught the first half. He was playing alone in the middle of the pitch and it showed. Cleverley was playing too high up the pitch and kagawa was all over the pitch having no idea what he is supposed to do, and neither did Fergy apparently.

Mick

I think the reason Wootton didn't play is obvious if you think about it. He is a decent player but i would be suprised if he was still here beyond the summer. We have better younger players coming through in Keane and Blackett and some talented lads in still in the academy and Rio Vidic Evans Smalling and Jones are better than him currently. He seems like a nice lad and i hope he has a good career but i doubt it'll be with us.

I think he will play in games where he'll catch the eye and hopefully raise his value rather than risk him lowering in by being exposed in europe with the world watching.

As for Phelan, i have no love for that man. His obvious lack of tactical know how is for all to see. But were in that awkward position where we can't get rid of him as Sir Alex himself is only likely to be around a season or two more. I think the best we can hope for is a job swap between Phelan and Warren Joyce who seems to have a good understanding of the game. The only problem with that though is would it be a good idea to leave the important job of teaching the kids to Phelan? Maybe if Giggs retired and did the job of coaching the kids with Phelan would limit the damage he does to them.

Shappy

It was clear for us all to see the problems but the management team, so why wouldn't somebody just express it to them? (I was rather naive but there must be somebody who can, in his power do it)

24 Oct 2012 20:29:58
Didn't have time to post anything last night so have decided to post my thoughts today... Now before I get started, I am not saying I do not like 4312 the formation we played against Newcastle but I do think for most games we should be moving towards a 4231 formation. I have always liked the formation and I think it offers a lot as long as you have the players capable of playing there.
Now the main set up for a 4231 formation for us would see us having forward plays that are comfortable to play outwide and in the centre. Personally I think this formation would suit Nani the most out of the current bunch of players so I am hoping he gets his form sorted out because he could be a huge player still for us this season.
Now the team I feel we should play....
____________De Gea
Rafael___Smalling__Vidic__Evra (Buttner given time)
_____Fletcher___Cleverley/Anderson
Nani________Rooney_____Kagawa
_____________RVP
Now I did go into more detail last time I posted this formation. I suggested who I would like signed and who I think would make this team a lot better and a player I did forget was Rodriguez but can't see it happening.
I have opted for the midfield 2 of Fletcher and Cleverley/Anderson as I feel with two midfielders, three because Rooney drops back, we need to cover space at the back so need mobile players who are willing to work hard, pressure, and get into position Quickly! so other teams don't have as much space to attack! Now I feel with Smalling back we would be able to play with a higher line which I think will immediately improve the defense. We will not have players driving at our defense 24/7 and it means there is less space for two midfielders to play into. Now I could see us lining up like this when defending:
____________De Gea
Rafael___Smalling__Vidic__Evra
Nani__Fletcher_Rooney_Cleverley__Kagawa
All those players are hard working and willing to track back. I have also no doubt that Fletcher, Rooney, and Cleverley will have no problem getting stuck in with players like Demebele and Yaya running at them. Rooney is still a very powerful player.

The only two changes I could say we would need to make in the January window is the signing of a new left back to replace Evra such as Baines (a dream only unfortunately imo) or Izaguirre and someone to replace Nani, one of Rodriguez, Isco, Muniain or Ozil. Then in the summer the midfield can be addressed, maybe Kagawa's left cam position if he doesn't settle into the English game though I think he will and he just needs time (if Baines would sign I think we could see a similar partnership to that of Pienaar and Baines which is the best attacking partnership in the league atm) and possibly a centre back if Vidic doesnt return to the player he once was.
The Red Manc
p.s what formation do people prefer the 4231 or 4312. I just think 4231 may see us getting the best out of Kagawa and Nani.

24 Oct 2012 18:43:50
What is it exactly that SAF can't understand about the goals we conceded yesterday?

For both goals we didn't pick up Alan. The first one, we didn't attack the ball. For the second one, Carrick got skinned. Carrick shouldn't have been there in the first place as it meant we only had one centre back in the middle. The biggest problem was though CARRICK ISN'T A CENTRE BACK. Despite his height he is wimpish in the air and doesn't do a good job at stopping people from turning.

That paragraph is essentially the reasons why we conceded. Very, very simple!

Fresh!

Also we lacked a leader out there, the keeper isn't vocal enough and neithe ris Evans. Evans is decent enough but he needs someone around him to lead and organise.

To blame Carrick is a bit unfair, I'm sure he'd be the first to admit he's not a centre back, but he's willing to play there if called upon.
Yes, he was skinned for one of the goals but ask yourself why he was pulled out of position? Because the Right back Rafael was out of position also.
The truth of the matter is Vidic, Smalling and Jones missing from any squad will hurt.
I don't believe Centre back is our problem, I think we need both right and left backs sorted out.
Flyhalf Mitch.

To be fair, he said that he can't understand why we keep conceding early goals, he knows both of there goals were down to sloppy marking.

Hoppy

24 Oct 2012 17:54:32
Anyone else thinks that lastnight, Kagawa faked carrying a knock because he knew he was ineffective in that position and didn't want to tarnish his name a bit?

ALDUtd

You just couldn't make this up, what a load of rubbish.

What???are u serious???

RamoN 19

If the offisde hadn't been given he would have had 2 assists, really ineffective....

Dumbest post Ive ever read

I've twisted my knee it was painful so I know how he feels! Has it been announced how long he will be out for?

Caolán.

24 Oct 2012 15:03:26
So far this season we dont even have one draw at 12 games.My point of view is that when you cant win a game its really good not to lose it as well.Nobody will like to see us losing against chelsea and being left 7 points behind so a draw at that game wont leave me dissapointed at all.(I dont mean that we dont have a chance to win this game and im really confident we can get the three points.I just dont want to see us lose)

24 Oct 2012 12:48:41
Last night was the type of game that summed up our season so far. Poor defending, making extremely hard work of an average team, and ultimately scraping the result through our excellent strike force.

Buttner went out of his way to make Evra look good, while I don't know what poor Carrick has to do to convince the manager that he isn't a defender. Fergie says he doesn't understand why we concede so many early goals, it's pretty simple really, we're defending poorly, and making sunday league mistakes.

On the plus side, Cleverly grew into the game in the second half and proved that he is at least good enough to dislodge Scholes from the starting 11. And more importantly Hernandez played his best game for us in over a year: so much effort, energy and end product. In the last year Hernandez has allowed himself to drift out of games like this, but last night he went out of his way to impose himself, he even produced a few nice passes. If he can build on this he can become much more than a top class finisher.

The diamond is a bit strange to be honest. It seems that Fergie bought Kagawa without really knowing what to do with him. Clearly his best position is off the strikers, but that's where Rooney plays and frankly he's better at it. The diamond puts Kagawa in an area of the pitch where he is largely ineffective, and physically incapable of competing. It works better with Anderson and Cleverly because at least with the two of them the defence gets a bit more protection. SAF has made the argument that being unpredictable is the key this year, but the majority of successful teams are based around a consistent formation and strategy. Teams win when they master their formation and get players that suit the system. The whole thing smacks of a manager who is unsure of what his best team is and what system best suits them.

Danny Pughnited

I think the boss bought Kagawa with the intention of playing him behind Rooney. However then RVP became available and we simply couldn't let him go elsewhere.

Fresh!

I agree about Kagawa being suited to playing behind the strikers, and I've been unsure as to why we havn't stuck Rooney upfront with Kagawa behind him and RvP when playing the diamond.

Playing Rooney deeper would make sense if it were to accomodate a better striker, but its been Wellbeck who has partnered RvP. Last night worked well, and Hernandez shone, and Rooney plays well when in that position, but to me a front three of Kagawa - RvP - Rooney is better than Rooney - RvP - Wellbeck/Hernandez

|Luke Chadwick's Teeth|

Fresh, not too sure about that as RvP was on the manager's radar for a long time before we signed him. He was always leaving Arsenal and we were well aware of that. Kagawa was on the manager's radar 18 months before we signed him too. I think the manager is preparing Rooney for midfield.

Sydney!

Danny, I just think the manager hasn't finished building the team yet. But definitely true that he is confused about which team and formation to play. We know the manager wanted a Witsel, Rodriguez/Moura/Hazard and a Baines so clearly he hasn't finished his build yet.

Sydney!

I'd like to see us develop diamond formation but with Valencia playing a bit wider and tuck kagawa inside left more.

I honestly think the diamond formation will not work against the better teams , it offers to much space across the middle of the park the good teams will always find space and have an outlet by simply moving the ball across the field, leaving us chasing the ball.
it also offers a lot of space to the opponents fullback lahm cole etc would have a field day.
i like the idea of a diamond but with just 1 striker a 4-1-3-1-1 with the DCM stepping up to make the 3 a 4 when we have the ball and the acm dropping back to make the 3 a 4 when we dont.

add the fullbacks pushing in to midfield when we have the ball and the wide men pushing on and you end up with.

4-1-4-1 when the opponents have the ball
2-1-3-3-1 when we have it.
similar to barce a couple of years ago.
jred

Rooney is not very effective playing upfront in an advanced striker role i.e. Abrahamovic. He is not fast enough and big enough to play uptight against central defenders and likes to play in the hole where he gets more freedom and can get involved a lot more.

Unfortunately Kagawa is being moved around to make room for rooney and there is an argument to be made that if you wanted to play Kagawa in his most effective position, where do you fit rooney in the team. Given the choice, rooney is getting that position.

Shahram

Has Cleverly been cloned?

10-20 MUFC

'Shahram'

It is playing in an advanced role that Rooney has been most potent for us. The 2009/10 and 2011/12 seasons were examples of that.

TK-Red

I always see him as a guy who is most effective playing slightly behind the most advanced striker.

Shahram

SYD spot on in terms of what SAF wanted to buy. I think we might see a big clear out in the summer and lots of signings and would not surprise me if spend a net 60 million given all the new sponsorship money from Nike and Chevrolet kicking in. I estimate we will see 4 or 5 new faces and 5 to 7 players leaving from the first team and reserves.

Shahram

I suppose it depends what you mean by "effective". He has more of the ball and dictates play when playing behind the striker but his goal record is much better when he plays further up the pitch.

TK-Red

24 Oct 2012 10:04:32
Woke up this morning, still giddy about Cleverleys cross. Take a bow son.

In the U21's dopey Stuart Pearce who needs to ask his wife questions on tactics played Cleverley on the LW and I can say without and hesitation that Cleverley's crossing is some of the best I have seen, but he is no winger IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing him take the corners and freekicks so Rooney and RvP can stay in the box.

Sydney!

Wow he does dicent cross out of how many now you want him to take the corners

To be fair, Cleverley has always had a good delivery. I wouldn't mind him playing on the right side of midfield, getting early balls in like Beckham used to. He could be very effective there, of course we already have Valencia AND Nani who play on the right so its not likely.

TK-Red

24 Oct 2012 09:27:39
Who wants to bet a midfield 3 of Scholes Carrick and Giggs for Chelsea on Sunday with Rooney behind RVP

DDG

Evra
Evans
Rio
Rafa

Scholes
giggs
Carrick

Roo
RVP

Has disaster written all over it

Pardoe

---------------DDG---------------
-------Ferdy----------Evans------
Rafa----------Carrick----------Evra
-------Clevers-------Scholes------
--------------Rooney--------------
----Welbeck------------V Persie----
-----------------------------------

I think it may look something like this.

Sydney!

It will definitely be a disaster with only ten starting

nona

We definitely would struggle with that team, fergie has made a few strange decisions over the last year but he has yet to play with 10 men from what I can remember ;)

GDS

Course it does, i'd much prefer us to start with 11 players. Lol

Shappy

Given Oscar, Mata and Hazard, we really need to go with legs and energy. If Scholes and Giggs start we will get battered...

AJH

Playing with 10 men won't help...

Hopefully we'll start with 11 against Chelsea.

Hah the fail is strong in me, missed Fletcher out

Pardoe

Did someone already get sent off

19-20 MUFC

Well, we are playing Chelski so, yeah, probs!!
MANCRED 99

24 Oct 2012 08:54:28
CL Game 3 Braga

Another jailbreak and it was Chicha the architect this time, he did have a wonderful game , his best this season, my MoM, his ball holding, runs, on and off the ball puzzled the Braga defenders a great deal, both his goals were well taken and if not for the non existent offside he could have scored a hatrick. His pass to Nani with the outside of his right foot was amazing, but unfortunately Nani's blast was saved by their keeper.

You have to give credit to Cleverley for his vision and his stunning cross for the winner and Chica's second, I think it was one of the best this season. Chica's movement as he came in from the right through the center to the back post was excellent as he was left in open space with no one to challenge him.

Like our last league game the front three were a joy to watch, Rooney, RVP and Chicha what a combo ? But there is a very big question mark on our midfield and back four, first half our tackling and positional play in our defensive area let us down. I know Carrick is not a CB nor will he ever be one, so why the f--- put him there ? I was very disappointed not to find Keane or Wootton in the starting 11.

Buttner did have an awful game but what can one expect of a guy who made just two appearances prior to this, he gave us one good performance but was left in oblivion since then only to appear after a month and that too in a CL game.

Apart from the shock of seeing Carrick as CB, there was another one coming when Giggs was inducted on the field, Ando would have been the ideal substitution as he could help in defence as well as holding the ball and getting it upfront, where possession counts when leading in the last ten minutes in trying to close down the game.

This game again tells us we need a good defender and two midfielders, one DM and one box to box to control as well as close down games, a must in January if we want to win anything.

Over all, happy with the result and the three points, although a better performance from the back four would have been an overwhelming victory. Today's first half performance gives me an uneasy twinge at the back of my neck knowing it's going to be Chelsea at their den this weekend, hope it's only a feeling. All the best to the Red Devils - Fred

24 Oct 2012 08:46:49
Every single game we've played this year highlights the need for presence in our midfield...we have enough attacking players to cover two teams, but not one player to boss the midfield. We saw this last night again, we were disjointed and lacked organization in the middle of the park. We should be moving heaven and earth to sign a Cabaye/Moutinho/Sneijder type player. Adding one of these would allow us to really make a go at the diamond formation. The only time i've seen Cleverley play really well this season is when he's alongside Anderson, if we can get a player to sit in between those two and link up with both, we could have an excellent midfield!

And for the love of God, Fergie...never play Carrick at CB again. I saw somewhere down the page that we should be looking to buy a CB who can cover LB as well and I definitely agree. I have no doubt that Buttner will be a great player for us, but it will take a bit of time and we don't know how good Fabio will be when he comes back from his season on loan.

So the problem areas that just keep coming up are CB and CM, if they aren't addressed in January, then they have to be during the summer. Scoring lots of goals is good...but we need to stop conceding!

Andy!

24 Oct 2012 07:17:52
Some personal thoughts from last night.
1. We have possibly the best set of forwards in Europe at the moment however;
2. They are not going to get us out of trouble every time. Our defending at the moment is shocking especially from crosses and set pieces. We look like scared kittens when the ball is tossed into the box. Stop the crosses at source and stop giving away stupid early goals.
3. The experiment with Carrick at centre half has to stop. He is not a defensive midfielder as such so why play him as a bloody centre half. If anything I'd like to see him play further forward of the midfield where his passing, possession and shooting can be used effectively.
4. Diamonds are not forever no matter what Shirley Bassey says. Play 4-2-3-1 with 2 holding midfielders and let out forwards wreak havoc. Playing a diamond left Fletcher as the only defensive midfielder as everyone else bombed forward and left us exposed and over run countless times.
5. Nani has to go. I was a huge fan but think the time has come to cash in on him. Time and time last night he wasted possession when we needed him to create or keep hold of the ball. This has been an ongoing theme for a while.
6. Stop giving Giggs 15 bloody minutes at the end. I have no idea what the thinking is behind this. It couldn't be for the counter attack because he's now too slow. It couldn't be to keep possession cos he kept losing the ball, including trying a silly back heel in our half which almost cost a goal. Why not bring on Anderson for the last 15?
He would have done a much better job.
7. Looking at our team last night you can almost guess the team for Sunday. We'll bring back Scholes, Ferdinand, Evra and Valencia, play 4-4-2 and struggle in the midfield against Chelsea. Me personally, I would Anderson alongside Carrick to give some energy and then have Rooney, Cleverley and Valencia just behind Van Persie. But that's just me.

What do you think.

An Dun Red Devil

Point#4: The diamond will never work long-term. There is too many gaps. You have to have 3 in the middle these days to stop being over-run.
Point # 6. It just annoys me now to see Giggs coming on. It is totally pointless. Again, Ando could have got the fifteen minutes to keep him in the loop, but no, SAF has to play a has-been for some particular reason that no-one but him understands. It is so frustrating!
Point #7: yes, he will bring back Scholes into a midfield two with Carrick. If so, we will be destroyed.

J Bones.

Bones, there is three in the middle when we play the diamond. Four in-fact with Rooney coming deep.

Sydney!

SYD
But most teams play 5 in the middle
jred

Sydney, SAF's diamond has a defensive midfielder and attacking midfielder, with the other two playing as outside left/right midfielders, virtually wingers at times, which leaves too much space in the middle.
Jred is correct as a lot of teams now play 4231, which becomes 5 in the middle when required.

J Bones.

24 Oct 2012 02:09:40
For me a 3 - 2 win is better than a 1 - 0 victory.I sometimes wish for other teams to score first. dont curse me :).

we will be better defensively once smalling is back

We may not win anything if we defend like that,but i truly believe this would be an auwsome season.There are many great things in supporting a club ,rather than winning trophies , most may not agree , but whatever ,here's hoping for a topsy turvy season

cheers


nikz

24 Oct 2012 00:07:25
Our defence was a shambles tonight, but other than that we weren't too bad. Not many teams can come back from 2-0 down to win.

We have some great players in attack, which means we will always be capable of scoring goals. But we need to learn to tighten up as a unit and defend properly.

The injuries haven't helped but all our defenders have the required attributes to be a solid defence, but they seem so disjointed.

If we are to win things this year that will have to change, great teams are built from the back. It's the solid foundations the great teams are built on which gives the other players the freedom and confidence to play great football.

Hopefully once Smalling is back we can get a more settled defence, which will give us a base to work on.

On another note it was great to see the all round improvement in Hernandez's game tonight, His passing and build up play was great at times, if he can continue to improve that to add to his movement and finishing ability then we'll have a hell of a striker.

Shappy

I have to disagree with the defence part of your post although I agree with the rest.

I may have had blinkers on but apart from the first 20 minutes or so where they were very unsetteled I thought the defence played very well.

If you bare in mind that out of the 4 only Rafael really is a settled player in his position I think they can be forgiven for taking 20 minutes to get organised.

Buttner's 3 rd game, Carrick totally unnatural position, Evans doesn't know which partner he will have from one game to the next and a keeper that is short on confidence and again doesn't know which back 4 will be playing in front of him doesn't make for an easy game to play.

Braga are not a bad team and apart from the 2 goals I cannot recall one shot on target and I can't remember De gea making a save

karllap

24 Oct 2012 11:18:14
The key to a solid defence is organisation, we just don't have it this seaon for some reason. That is why we keep letting goals in early in games. We have both full backs pushing on at the same time when one should always hold back, we have players being left unmarked at set plays, and there is a complete lack of communication between our defenders. The only time they talk to each other is after someone has scored and thats to discuss who's fault it is.

This is something that should be easily sort out on the training pitch but 12 games into the season and were still doing it.

Shappy