Manchester United Banter Archive August 25 2012

 

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25 Aug 2012 23:43:26
A lot of people are saying we need a CDM from the look of the two games we have played so far. What annoys me is no one has picked up on the CM playing CB. As soon as anyone out of Evans, Smalling, Ferdinand and Jones are back, our defence will be a whole different story

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25 Aug 2012 23:24:33
United cry out week-in week-out for a solid box-to-box midfielder.

Said solid midfielder comes to OLd Trafford on the 25th August. He is man of the match. His stats are superb. He is strong. He is young. He is needed. The Stretford end drools with envy (at Fulham!)

SAF watches. Chews gum. Phelan sleeps.

SAF waits as the summer transfer window closes.

Phelan awakes.

SAF buys an unwanted Mexican winger in the January window.

Said midfielder moves to Real Madrid to sit on the bench.

mmmm....
Timbo

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Totally Agree. Saf and the person sat on his right must have their eyes shut. Instead he is picking fights with Rooney pogba fryers and two have left and the other will also leave.

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25 Aug 2012 23:18:47
Although a pure defensive mid would be nice to have, I completely disagree with the people who are saying, 'on the basis of this game we need a defensive mid'. Has anyone noticed we are playing a CM at centre back. That's our problem in defence. As soon as Evans, Ferdinand, Smalling or Jones is back it will be a completely different story at the back, trust me.

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25 Aug 2012 23:14:04
At least the Chevrolet seats looked good !

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25 Aug 2012 23:13:19
Just thinking about the last two games and it got me thinking how we would look if we signed Fellaini AND Dembele.

Obviously it's near impossible but where is the harm in pondering the idea...my only issue would be where would we fit everybody in but I'm sure looking like;

_________________DDG________________
_____Smalling_____Vidic_____Jones______
Toni________Fellaini__Dembele____Young_
______________Kagawa________________
________Van Persie___Rooney___________

this is the only way I think we could ever accommodate those two, not to mention the fact we'd be leaving out players like Cleverley, Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Anderson, etc. Even with one of those players it would mean we would have drop 1 of the aforementioned players instead of 2.

In my honest opinion, from a footballing point of view, the above team looks very safe but the below team looks far more entertaining and threatening...

_________________DDG________________
_____Smalling_____Vidic_____Jones______
Toni________Carrick__Cleverley____Young_
_______________Kagawa________________
________Van Persie___Rooney____________

How would you guys accommodate BOTH fellaini and Dembele into the current United side?

The Moon.

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Moon, Fellaini is only good behind the striker, he is an extremely poor central midfielder.

MPez

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I wouldn't say he's poor MPez. Maybe not as influential, but he's still useful there.

G.A.G.U.S

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25 Aug 2012 22:30:50
Now ye can all shoot me down but I think people don't want to see Anderson playing well. I thought he'd a very good game and dembele only came into the game when Anderson got tired. I think when we get rio jones and smalling back and carrick back into midfield we'll be fine. Thought raf was brilliant today.

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Anderson played great exactly what he was bought for, if he played like that week in week out we wouldn't need a CM /CDM

Pardoe

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Guy your wrong.... We would all love to see Anderson play well and become a United legend but we all know he's also had time to impress and has'nt.... 4 years and all he's done is make McDonalds richer....
HERBIE

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25 Aug 2012 22:14:00
Is it me or are the two player that have shone against united in the last two games the exact players that fergie should have brought, Fellani and dembele most likely will not cost more than 35 million for the pair and would turn what is an average man utd into a great one, surely they should have been priorities...it's what is lacking IMO and hopefully the last two games have shown ferguson and the glazers that they need players to strengthen the centre of the park...I'm just slightly disappointed in the way united have played the last two game

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"will not cost more than 35 million for the pair"..

in an up front payment probably not, but when you include add ons and other installments we'd be looking at more IMO.

Everton have no reason to sell Fellaini now, he's happy, they don't need the money right now, etc. so they would be in the driving seat so I would expect them to ask in excess of £30M for him...They valued Rodwell at £25M with us, Baines at £20M, Barkley at £15M, etc. they will overvalue him and make us pay over the odds because they simply don't need to or want to sell.

Dembele I think we'd have to fight for a bit and I would expect something in the region of £10M with him, although Real still haven't got Modric officially so they may decide to bid against us for him, again upping the price. nonetheless I think between £10M and £12M would get him.

So, IF we're to pay what both clubs would want I think we'd be looking at closer to £45M-£50M for the pair of them considering the positions of the selling club and the happiness of the players.

The Moon.

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Fellaini is only good if you lump the ball up to him, Anderson was way better than Dembele today

Pardoe

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25 Aug 2012 22:03:13
Have to say no one can complain that we have no silva type of player. Kagawa is as good if not better. What a buy. Well done saf

Mufc

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25 Aug 2012 21:45:23
Really struggle to see what Valencia offers us in this apparently new system we seem to be playing. Evreytime he got the ball today, all he did was take a few steps and whip the ball in the general direction of the 6 yard box. If we want to play a more exciting brand of football, Valencia has to add a lot more to his game or face being replaced by Nani.

Young constantly tries to achieve new levels of rubbishness every week. I fully expect Kagawa to move to the left when Rooney is back so he can cut in and interchange with Rooney, behind RVP.

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So you don't want Him to set up goals? That's what your saying mate.

Caolán.

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God forbid we have a player who can take a man on and whip a ball into the 6 yard box, how boring from our new number 7 lol. What a silly post.

GDS

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25 Aug 2012 21:35:40
Guys today kagawa amazing we all no that but Valencia, fantastic I saw him cross with his left foot today, he normally takes time to start the season but he was great today, de gea made two fantastic saves before the break!

Caolán.

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25 Aug 2012 21:30:20
There's a lot of people wanting a Yaya Toure sort of signing - The aim in the last few seasons has been to get closer to Barcelona's midfield after the way they dominated us in the 2 champions league finals. This is the same Yaya that wasn't needed by them.

IMO we have never replaced Hargreaves who was immense when we beat Barcelona over 2 legs. We don't need a Yaya, more of a Makelele player.

If we are to play a 4-2-3-1 formation one of the 2 midfielders needs to be energetic i.e. cleverley, anderson. We need someone in the vein of busquets, banega, de rossi etc.

Adz

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That's alright Adz, copy my post just word it differently (Y)

ALDUtd

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25 Aug 2012 21:19:33
after todays game it is clear for all to see.anderson has to go and dembele is exactly what we need.big strong tidy and great engine.I can't see us winning league without him or similar.thoughts?

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25 Aug 2012 21:15:22
Why everyone is calling out for a 'Powerhouse' midfielder is beyond me! It's just not the United way to hump balls long up the pitch to a target man. What we need is a box-to-box player who is creative and also can follow defensive duties.

Why go out n buy Witsel, Fellaini, Tioté, Dembélé, Martinez. When there is players who can add both steel and creativity to our starting XI. What about Veloso, Vidal, Sahin, Herrera, even Alex Song amongst this list?

Think about it, is Roy Keane, Makelele, Viera 6ft5 and 15 Stonne? No they are not, they were players who stuck to their defensive duties who also let the game carry on flowing

ALDUtd

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It don't believe anyone is asking for a bruiser, but a big creative midfielder who can pass and phsically win a lot of 50/50 and some pace. Dembele as an example has a lot of those attributes and has pace. The other option is if you look at someone like Iniesta, he is not big but he is technically very good and very difficult to dispose of the ball unless you foul him and if you play him too tight he has pace and will run by you. I like Cleverly and believe he will be very good given another season or two the , the other midfielder is where we have a challenge, even though I love scholes and everything he has done for the club, he has no pace and people can get very tight on him and with his size, he gets pushed around. Shahram

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Fellaini and Dembele are suited to their clubs style of play and the position they play for that club. Yes, they win a lot of ball in the air but apart from Goalkicks and clearances when do United play the long-ball?

Seriously think about it... Someone who can read the game and who are a renowned tackler we need. In the mould of De Rossi, Essien. I believe Arturo Vidal will be this player in a few years time. Your Evertons, Stokes and Fulhams only play the long ball because they lack the creativity in midfield to play through teams. Are United a long-ball team? No. Have they ever been? No

ALDUtd

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ALDUtd, Dembele ran past our centre mids with ease yesterday. He passed the ball really well and he has tackled better and better each time I have seen him. He has great pace and power which is exactly what we need. Gilly

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25 Aug 2012 21:07:18
Kagawa and van persie are great buys from the gaffer.
Our only problem is in defense and i think once Smalling comes back we should be good.
The midfield for me was really good going forward, and anderson and cleverly do track back nicely.
Only changes i would make is smalling for carrick play jones in a defensive mid role(I like his game the best when he plays in this position) instead of young.

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25 Aug 2012 21:05:18
Last season we scraped a few one goal games and we got through with sheer determination. Today was a little different thanks to the first half but definitely not the second. The first half we saw some good creative play in Fulhams half. RVPs goal was excellent. We moved the ball well up front , not perhaps as quickly as we could but there was decent movement and interaction. Kagawa looks a really good player and he makes few mistakes, RVP is the quality striker of his type we have missed for years since RVN.

The second half frightened the life out of me. The team we saw in the second half would struggle to make the top four. We slowed the pace and looked nervous to hold the ball, hot potato football. We know we have issues with defence at the moment but what is the point of world class strikers if the opposition control the game through midfield. Sadly if Anderson and Cleverley can't control midfield at home to Fulham they are not going to do it in more difficult games. Cleverley was the better of the two but Anderson was poor particularly in the second half. The fact we replaced him with Giggs should tell us where we are. It is early days but that was not impressive in the second half at all. It is hard to understand how SAF does not see the large hole in midfield, we all agreed sat there that we need a quality player in CM but that without it we are looking at third which should bring about a change. There were nerves, too much negativity and the team spent too much time going backwards in the second half but we must control midfield better especially at home. I have watched and learned that these results can mean little but if we are to get anywhere this season then our spending needs to restart with someone in the middle and I cannot believe SAF cannot see this

Red Man

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Red Man, thoughts on Dembele? And be honest now ;)

Sydney!

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Red man.

I watched the game again on the net and tried to understand what the posts were all about on here about Ando doing. Well. I just don't get it. If passing 5-10 yard balls to players in yards of space is playing well then I could easily play well for utd. Does that make me good enough? When a CMer plays well for us he should be standing out, head and shoulders above his oppos not doing the easy stuff. Baffling.

I thought 1st half we were good, not great but good and totally agree second half went totally to sh*t. All over the place at times, chasing shadows in the middle, evra on walk about a fair few times and absolutely no answer to a more powerful CMer and why? Because we couldn't keep a hold of the ball!

We need someone in the middle who like scholes can take possession in tight areas and not only keep a hold of it but play it around with confidence and accuracy. Half the battle is knowing who you have next to you is top
Class and if you give them the ball your team will still have it but seems as though as you said they are all scared of taking possession in tight areas which is not good enough for our team. It certainly needs looking at right now not in 6 or 12 months as if we wait we could well be looking at third at best.

Syd!

Dembele played really well when fulham did and if he were to put those type of performances in all the time he would defo be a target I would be happy at getting but we need a more sitting player who in witsel I still think he should be top choice. Money wise though dembele could slide in front in SAF's eyes.

Either way we clearly need something.

Jono

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Sydney

On Dembele, I felt he was ineffective in the first half when Kagawa found space in front of their defence. He certainly didn't impress with covering his back four in the first half and that is something the player we need should be able to do. Second half was different, Dembele ran well and powerfully with the ball and caused us problems. He was hard to knock off when in possession. He is better than what we have that is for sure but the defensive side to his game needs looking at plus I wonder what his consistency is like as for me his first half was not as good as his second, which was very good when going forward.

I maintain the player we should buy is Martinez who I believe is better again than Dembele.

Red Man

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Jono

I thought Anderson was poor overall, first half did ok and faded as the game went on. I think he looks overweight and slow. He adds neither creatively or defensively so as I have said before I would sell him and Nani. Use the money to buy the centre midfield player we patently and desperately need.

Red Man

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Completely agree with Red Man. But Dembele would be a good short term option i think.

REDFAITH

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25 Aug 2012 20:54:03
We should have brought Hazard. Oh, and Mata. Chelsea are going to tear us to shreds with our wobbly defence and OAP midfield.

CornwallRed

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25 Aug 2012 20:06:13
okay game today, once Kagawa went off, we seemed to lose control of the midfield. Dembele was impressive in the 2nd half, put Anderson to shame. Degea poor for second goal but pulled off some good saves and looks like he is improving. Rafael great going forward but i wish he would begin to mature as a defender while on the other wing Evra was rubbish. Maybe when Carrick goes back into midfield it might strengthen us but wont hold my breath, still find it hard to believe that fergie cant see we need a good, strong holding midfielder. Against better teams we will struggle so i hope there will be 1 more signing.

sd

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25 Aug 2012 20:02:55
So happy Rooney was on the bench today, hopefully gonna up his game.
RVP is absolutely sensational and KAGAWA is a different class. Future looks good future is red.


TEDDY BEAR

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Out for four weeks now mate so we will wait a while to see how he does!

Caolán.

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25 Aug 2012 19:48:12
1. Van Persie scored a fabulous goal and one of the better goals I've seen in a while. He isn't 100% fit yet, in fact I would say he's only about 60% right now, but he did okay today.

2. Kagawa really is a hell of a buy for £12m. He's got a brilliant range of passing and great vision. However, I was concerned by his lack of strength against Dembele. I know Dembele is a beast, but he seemed to be completely out muscled by him every time. Perhaps he needs to bulk up a little to become the player we know he is capable of becoming.

3. Do not start the crap with De Gea again. Yes it was a mistake and a stupid one at that, but Valdes made a far worse howler the other night and nothing was said. Besides he made a couple of top class saves again today.

4. Dembele would be a good signing and certainly a better option than what we have now, but I feel he should only be targeted if we can't get Witsel. We can't play against any sort of physical team and it's going to cause problems if we don't sort it now.

G.A.G.U.S

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It doesn't matter how much Kagawa beefed up he would never be a match for Dembele. Dembele bullies everyone off the ball.

Sydney!

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To be fair i expected de gea to start getting pelters from pundits and the press but they've laid of him this time,maybe people who do give him stick should bear in mind the saves he made to keep us in it.

phil

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That's not really what I was getting at Syd.

G.A.G.U.S

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25 Aug 2012 19:30:07
Gunna risk my balls!

Anderson played well, think if he stays fit we are ok.

was nice to see RVP consoling Rooney when he got injured.

Nani to come good then we will be ok.

ps we can always try valencia in centre mid might turn out like dembele

Cban

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Anderson was total crap. Compare him to Dembele? We won't get £5m for Anderson. Another fergie flop.

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He is so easy to play against because he is so one footed. A big drawback for a central midfield player unless he is very skilful (which Anderson isnt). If you play him away from his left side his scope of passes is halved and can only pass back or sideways. Watch todays game and see

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25 Aug 2012 19:27:25
Just got back from an entertaining game at Old Trafford today, Looked good throughout the first half, creating good chances and deserving of at the time a 3-1 lead. Eased off in the second half and allowed them to come on to us and put pressure on us which led to a pathetic goal that we conceded for their second.

Have to say Moussa Dembele who has been linked with us really did impress me today. Don't know how he looked on TV but his movement and strength were terrific, what did impress me was his change of pace, at times he would just be at a stand-still but with in a split second he had beat his man and gave himself a couple of yards on his opponent. Think that is what we are missing, a really positive centre-midfielder, yes Cleverley,Kagawa,Anderson are all good at it but he offers that drive like they do but with a good physique to put himself about defensively.

RedKnight

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Dembele has strength, can tackle, shoot, pass, he has great ball control and is like a Duracell bunny. He doesn't stop running. If he played for Benfica or Bilbao everyone would want him, not just Chelsea, Real Madrid and ourselves.

Sydney!

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25 Aug 2012 19:21:17
Feels like I've only been moaning recently, so just like to congratulate RVP and Kagawa on their first goals for the club.

StevieK

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25 Aug 2012 18:49:46
We were undone last week by a big, strong, attacking midfielder that we had no answer for.

Today we were nearly undone by another big, strong, attacking midfielder that we had no answer for.

What do we need to combat this? Yes, a big, strong defensive midfielder who will not be brushed off the ball in the tackle, who can cover all thr ground in the centre of our midfield and who can break up opposition attacks. Tiote or Dembele himself anyone?

Mike B.

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Or how about we start with two CB's - not one who is just back after nine months and another who is a CM doing a great covering job.

Try reading Jols comments about Anderson and Clevs - he was pretty impressed

Mike

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25 Aug 2012 18:46:59
I seriously hope we do not sell Nani, Berba and a few deadwood players then have no time to replace Nani on the left wing. I would love Rodriguez or Muniain.

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25 Aug 2012 18:45:28
How can people come on here and say Anderson is fat ? I will guarantee he is fitter than every single one of us and is in good shape he is just naturally chunkier than a stick just like Rooney. He also played quite well today he was picking good passes and spreading the play well and was also running quite a bit. On another note where was Nani not even on the bench is he being sold?

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Because he is fat mate lol. Why do you think he is constantly injured. It's all the extra weight that leads to injuries. He is 25 years old and looks knackered after 60 minutes of football. I say again it will be good day for our club if they can offload nani for 20 to 25 mill and munian would be a dream signing not rodriguez. shahram

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25 Aug 2012 18:15:23
Wow ! What a game!
Rafael,Kagawa,Valencia,David Dea,Evra and Anderson was 60% good
Rvp,Cleverey,Carrick and Vidic were 50% good as well but
Young was nothing to write home about.Nani is far more better than him.Nani at least can move the ball forward.
Roney is finished and Welbeck is not reliable.
Fergie has a lot of work to do,If not we might not make it.

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25 Aug 2012 18:01:29
So we HAVE to sign dembele? But a few days ago, I thought we HAVE to sign fellaini? Next game its probably going to be Lambert!

Fagan

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25 Aug 2012 17:59:48
Just wanted to share my thoughts on the game. It comes down to something I noticed last season and even the season before in our play. When United go in front at times it seems they take their foot off the gas and allow the other team to have possesion. Basically it seems that they are satisfied with what they have. They look very subdued the game should have been killed off and Fulhams spirit broken as soon as wecame out for the second half. At times in the first half we played great football in the attacking third and showed we could cut through Fulham at will. Where did that go in the second half we allowed them to play until they got back into it then in the final minutes we are hanging on for the win. I don't think we can say too much negative about DeGea until we put a solid defense in front of him he did show a good touch though (although it almost killed me). Carrick is not a CB so really he does his best Evans on the bench all game was slightly confusing could have given him some 2nd half minutes. Think Rooney being on the bench was a good thing for him but I was sad to see him injured. I am not defending him but sometimes players become comfortable knowing you will play every week so now with RVP it should push him. I actually thought Evra was ok I feel that Young took over from Nani wasteful and poor delivery. Saw someone slate Rooney for his sub appearance thats harsh think RVP had one shot all game (although it was a fantastic one). Think really the midfield suffers from not being assured that someone is going to defend think Carrick being back there will help a lot. Dembele bossed a very lightweight midfield although it was almost impossible to get the ball off him think it will be a clash of the Titans when he and Yaya meet. All in all was a good first half and another strange second half not sure what to make of it. Still 3 points I'll take 36 more games like that lol(that is a joke just so nobody takes it wrong).

Darren-Bermuda

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Same thing as last year. Any team has a chance against us to come back as our midfield is old and lacks pace and teams believe they can have a go at us. In the old days being up 3-1 usually translated to 5 or 6-1. I also believe this is the reason we pass it sideways rather than forward due to the fact that if it gets intercepted, we don't have the legs or speed to cover a counter attack.

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25 Aug 2012 17:57:51
FERGIE: "NO MORE SIGNINGS....." Why are we still going on about signings? our quota is full. We have to sell to buy....1 week to go......but no one is listening....

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25 Aug 2012 17:56:46
For a less than 20mil..we should sign Dembele to complete our missing jigsaw..decent in attack tough when defending..

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25 Aug 2012 17:49:12
Rooney out for 4 weeks, the injuries keep coming.

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25 Aug 2012 17:45:02
Looked like a bad cut to rooneys leg lets hope he has a speedy recovery and gets back on his feet! Well done to Kagawa & RVP congrats on your first prem goals for the club can't wait for many more!

Jb73

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Yeah it looked terrible. i really hope it is not too serious. shahram

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25 Aug 2012 17:30:46
. Mancini has put in a sensational bid of £45m swoop for Edinson Cavani of Napoli, Blowing Chelaeas bid of £35m out the water, & unlikely to top Man Citys offer. However Bayern Munich are said to be putting in a bid within the next few days.

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Wrong page...no one cares

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25 Aug 2012 17:23:14
Thoughts on the match?

Anderson is completely out of shape and giggs looked 20 years younger than him when introduced.

Kagawa has an eye for a through ball, good all round passing and crossing, but his first touch and control is loose. I think he needs to time to hit a world class level. Much rather see rooney + v.p. up front.

Cleverly good running and short passes. A couple of good attacking contributions, a few bad ones, but good all round performance.

Dembele would be a great signing.

'redbark

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Yea....of all the things to complain about you choose Kagawa's first touch. I counted once he had a bit of a banger, other than that, pretty impeccable touch. Get real.

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What game did you watch

Ross

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....Totally unwarranted abuse towards Anderson...he played well today...his passing was brilliant!

Didn't see anything from Giggs other than a poor pass and a terrible cross...

Why not give credit to Rafa for a good match...

Valencia wasn't bad but is a total one trick pony...

MrGoodCat

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To the posters who say Anderson isnt as bad as he is made out to be - Do you think he's worth the 25M we paid for him?

Flimbo

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Anderson cost 30m euros, which in May 2007 equated to £20.5m. But no mate he wasn't worth the dough, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. He was very impressive in his first season, just never progressed the way we would have liked.

Sydney!

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25 Aug 2012 17:19:15
SAT 17.15......CHECK THE LEAGUE TABLE. I DONT CARE HOW MANY GAMES HAVE BEEN PLAYED. STILL MADE ME LAUGH.

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25 Aug 2012 17:15:59
Todays game! rafael made a difference at rb although defensively needs to be abit more aware ! Anderson showed great passing , didnt look fit, needs to keep ball better ! carrick will be replaced when we have cb fit ! van persie scored but was quiet! Cleverly kagawa and valencia 3 quality performances !

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25 Aug 2012 17:15:38
I think after today SAF should be serious about Dembele from Fulham,i think that 1 more signing will complete us and wwith the return of Jones,Smalling,Ferdinand and Fletcher then we are complete........

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I dont agree with his workrate

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No name, Dembele does more running than anyone else on the pitch. His work rate his one of his best attributes. He ran something like 13KM in the England/Belgium game, more than anyone else on the pitch.

Sydney!

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25 Aug 2012 17:09:18
SAF, Please read>> WE STILL NEED A STRONG DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER WHO WILL PROTECT THE BACK FOUR. WITHOUT ONE WE WILL BE SC**WED!!! If you require a list of names, don't hesitate to get in touch with anyone who contributes to this site.

Seriously though, we look great going forward but always look like conceding when the opposition get into our half.
MANCRED 99

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Simply 1 word for ur post "agreed"
Rodio17

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25 Aug 2012 17:09:05
Match over. Final score 3-2. little disappointed we didnt score more with our dominance but atleast we have some points on the board. Was impressed with Valencia, Rafa, Kagawa seemed to dictate our play and RVP's goal was a thing of beauty. Even Anderson and Evra looked more hungry and interested then their usual selfs.
Kagawa is my man of the match, But Dembele was pretty good to, He is strong and brings play forward when its needed, Relieves pressure and breaks up play. For anything under 10 million it would be a bargain. Would strengthen our midfield and Would give our wing-backs a little more attacking license.
Despite what people think, I think we have a pretty good squad as it is, Dembele would only strengthen us, Is he a necessity... No.
James

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25 Aug 2012 17:08:44
To be honest I was impressed with everyone apart from Young, Rooney and Welbeck. They all look ordinary recently. Young is too predictable, Welbeck can not keep the ball and Rooney is just looking awful. Anderson looked more interested and fitter today with some good passes and Cleverley is carrying on his good performances. Rafael looked very good going forward but he is still dodgy positioning wise and with one-on-ones with a winger. De Gea is looking great shot stopping wise but he is really not improving in te air at all. Van Persie and Kagawa look like they are fitting right in and look good aswell. Valencia looked very strong again. All in all from that game im happy considering Carrick is in defence and Dembele has to be signed seriously he is a top class player that would make our first eleven so much better. I would like to see Nani sold and replaced by Muniain or Rodriguez.

George

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25 Aug 2012 17:06:22
Much needed 3pts but that looked just like last year, and bring on Giggs trying to protect a one goal lead, u kidding me. We are a weak team that can be pushed around the pitch.

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25 Aug 2012 17:05:49
We need a player like Dembele. I think SAF should talk about putting a bid in for him.

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25 Aug 2012 17:05:30
seeing as we have to sell to buy how about a swap deal? Berba for dembele? Perhaps throw them a couple of mill as well.

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25 Aug 2012 17:04:41
That gash looked horrific! Hope Rooney isn't out too long. Good result in the end, made hard work of it. RVP goal very good too

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25 Aug 2012 17:03:04
would people do this?

sell
rooney 70m
nani 25m

and buy:
martinez: 31m
dembele: 12m
hummels: 20m
rodriguez: 25m

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Sell our best players? No.

-JakeW

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I rather we sell Rooney to Real Madrid.Get Alonso(If Sahin is really going to LFC) and Higuain .Buy Dembele and Sell Young instead of Nani coz he's far more inconsistent then Nani.Bring in Rodriguez and we're a complete team. Diego-06

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Rooney worth £70 mill, lol thats a good one.
MU93

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MU93, although I agree that Rooney isn't worth £70m, can I ask when are you going to stop trolling the United page pretending to be a United fan?

Sydney!

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25 Aug 2012 17:00:43
i dont usually say this at all often but i personally was very impressed by andersons display to day his long range passing was just brilliant

dio

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Out of shape (again) and for every good pass he makes, two or three bad follow it.

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25 Aug 2012 17:00:30
we shouldn't have to be in such a positio.
de gea, although improving, doesn't seem to know how to catch and a lot of the time when vidic was waiting for him to get the ball. he just stayed in his net.
positive note-kagawa was fantastic, definitely buy of the century


TRUMORS

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25 Aug 2012 16:59:57
Roo's injery has a lot to do with the weak midfield. all of our players risk all the can to chase opponent for the ball.

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Lol is bird flu to do with our weak midfield as well?

GDS

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25 Aug 2012 16:31:52
Last week it was Fellaini...

This Week its gonna be Dembele bossing around our midfield..

MAGO

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Fellaini and Dembele would boss any midfield. They are very strong players.

Sydney!

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Dembele is a class above andersson carrick cleverley its not gonna happen
but cashing in on andersson and nani
and buying isco and dembele would make sense but the coffers have probable run dry and maybe petrucci lingaard and jones tried in dm with herrera in jan is more likely
cjwales82

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CJ, Cleverley is a completely different type of midfielder to Dembele. Dembele is more in the mode of Anderson and would almost certainly replace him if bought.

Sydney!

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Syd
Do you really think dembele would boss any midfield
I don't think he would get that much change out of barce madrid munich......
I think after 2 games it is clear that we still have an issue at cm, fellaini and dembele performance just gives further evidence
Jred

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Jred, Dembele in a better midfield would be a magnificent player. It's no coincidence United, Chelsea & RM are keeping close tabs on him.

Sydney!

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i think his a good player been saying it for a while , but i would question if him and fellaini would boss any midfield
jred

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25 Aug 2012 16:29:43
Goal of the season contender by Vidic...

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TBH i think it was de gea's fault.
if ur gonna come out, atleast try n get the ball.

TRUMORS

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25 Aug 2012 16:28:08
the midfield is weak to death. If nothing changes from now on, I don't think we can win the league, let alone european champion ship.

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We still don't have Carrick in midfield so when we get him back, we will be a lot stronger. So we will deffinately improve but we also need a midfielder.

Welsh Dragon

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Yes we can win the league ! Carrick and Cleverley will boss teams when we have a solid defender fit again like Evans

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25 Aug 2012 16:12:49
Really impressed with dembele. Rafa is doing well 2, if any1 needs a link there a few good 1s on ATDHE

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25 Aug 2012 16:04:26
Either Ando comes good or Phil Jones for DM.... a good day to have kagawa and rafa in my fantasty side!

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I have rafa and rvp!

Caolán.

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25 Aug 2012 15:59:25
What a great half, rvp son take a bow, kagawa brilliant! How did de gea keep them two shots out great keeper gona be better than Schmicael, rafael playing well!

Caolán.

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LOOL de gea better than schmiecal are you on glue

curt

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So that double save in the first half wasnt good one mistake and you think he is terrible.

Caolán.

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25 Aug 2012 15:55:37
really impressed with Rafael, been great going forward, still a bit suspect in defence though.

JK92

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25 Aug 2012 15:53:33
Who needs rooney.

RVP and Kagawa have settled in fantastic.

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You cursed him now hes injured
CRed

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25 Aug 2012 15:53:03
Is it just me that has been impressed with Anderson he looks more interested than usual and hes pulling of some good passes.

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25 Aug 2012 15:51:52
I'm impressed by Raphael and deserved that goal.

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25 Aug 2012 15:51:47
dembele looks like the exact player we are missing, good tall strong box to box player.

JK92

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25 Aug 2012 15:51:32
Even if Fergie has said we thru with signings i think if there is 1 player we need to sign its Moussa Dembele,he is exactly what our midfield is lacking now,a hardman believe me

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25 Aug 2012 15:42:14
This is game is bloody great! Anderson and Clevs doing great! What can I say about RVP and Kagawa, everyone doing great! But Young is a bit shakey!

-JakeW

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25 Aug 2012 15:38:48
I say we leave Kagawa in a gym for about a month, put some muscle on him and hire Roy Keane to show him how to tackle...central midfield...sorted!;)

Andy!

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25 Aug 2012 15:29:02
What a goal by RVP!!

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25 Aug 2012 15:19:31
I don't care what anyone says, Dembele is a menace and keeps hold of the ball so well in possession. I hope we sign him this summer if Witsel falls through.

Sydney!

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No change there then!

Flimbo

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Been really impressed with him, the only type of player i think, we need to becoming strong in every department. Also been really impressed with kagawa, de gea and rafael.

TRUMORS

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He would be our missing link, EPL proven and not as expensive as other options. Sign him up

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M not satisfied with his workrate

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25 Aug 2012 15:16:52
awhile back i wasnt a fan of mousa dembele but the more iv seen of him the more i like him and yes he wudnt get into the barca or madrid teams, but if were starting anderson i think we should by dembele hes faster can dribble tackle basically better than anderson at every aspect so 10mil wud be a great addition to the squad
sulei

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25 Aug 2012 15:12:34
Van Persie scores his first goal at OT for Man Utd. Hope we score some more.

Cult of Personality

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25 Aug 2012 15:02:31
What rooney on banch? So 2 of rooney kagawa or percie plays togather. Dont u guys think fergie is being rigid? If buys one stleel of a player he can aclcomodare all 3 togather.
This is rubbish
Rodio17

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Oh dear lord, it's as if you've never heard of squad rotation...

Plus Rooney had a poor game on monday, so could have a positive effect.

MPez

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I couldnt be happier than Rooney has been dropped, we have better players now.
MU93

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25 Aug 2012 14:53:56
Looks like Sir Alex read my post earlier in the week ;)

MelonRed

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25 Aug 2012 14:35:53
todays team:
de gea

rafael
carrick
vidic
evra

valencia
cleverley
andesron
young
kagawa

RVP

JK92

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25 Aug 2012 14:32:49
I think we should look at Nathan dyer. Every time I've watched he is such a threat with his pace and skill. You Could get him cheap and he would be a brilliant addition

Mufc

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25 Aug 2012 14:32:23
De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Carrick, Evra, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Valencia, Young, van Persie
TheSpartanred

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25 Aug 2012 14:25:36
Rooney not starting. Anyone shed a light on this?

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25 Aug 2012 14:24:30
according to the commentators in the swansea game rooney is on the bench and RVP starts.

JK92

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25 Aug 2012 14:17:54
De Gea; Rafael, Carrick, Vidic, Evra; Valencia, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Young; van Persie

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25 Aug 2012 14:06:59
Van Persie plays and Rooney on bench

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25 Aug 2012 13:57:18
Regardless of fans wanting Man United to buy one more player.....ie Central midfielder......they can't as they have filled their quota of over 25 year old players. United's squad is full according to ELP rules. If they could shift Berbatov....they would have a free slot to maybe buy that elusive midfielder.

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Over 25 year old players?

You made that rule up ?

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25 Aug 2012 12:45:54
is anyone else in shock? We have a three o clock saturday kick off!

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25 Aug 2012 11:48:19
RVP , Kagawa and buttner all in the last year of there contract , must of saved us a fortune
jred

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Not really Jred, them being in their final year of contract meant that the club couldn't keep hold of them. The only one that was a bargain was Kagawa. The other two were no cheap.

Sydney!

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Yeah, i think we got lucky with that, if they weren't in the last year of there contract we wouldn't have any of them apart from Buttner.
MU93

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MU93, yes because Dortmund and Arsenal would have refused to sell them. Them being in their final years meant the selling club had their hands tied.

Sydney!

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So you don't think the fact that them 3 players were in the last year of there contract saved us cash lol

How much would kagawa of cost if he had 3 years left?
How much would we of had to pay arsenal to part with rvp if he wasn't in the last year of his contract?
Jred

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Jred, can you read? Like I said Kagawa would have cost a few bob more, not a great deal more perhaps £8m or so (£25m). RVP wouldn't have been achievable unless he was in his last year. £24m for a 29 year old isn't cheap Jred. Buttner at £4m isn't cheap either.

Sydney!

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Jred, then you have to take into consideration that RVP being on his final year of contract would have commanded higher wages from his new club. We have made two very good signings in Kagawa and RVP, but RVP was far from cheap. 29, injury list as long as Crouchy's leg and on his final year of contract and cost £24m. That is overpriced my friend.

Sydney!

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can you read,did i say RVP was cheap.

do you think arsenal would of sold us rvp for 24 mill if he had more time on his contract ,no of course not it would of been more like 30 mill.

so like i said in my OP the fact that these players where in the last year of there contract has saved us cash.

i didnt say we got them cheap
jred

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25 aug 2012 11:16:40
please sir alex, we need a defensive midfielder whether we accept it or not. it is a fact. cleverly cannot give us that steel that we need in the middle of the pack and darren fletcher coming back may not be the solution either cos he has been away from the game for so long.

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25 Aug 2012 10:58:53
Saf please show some courage and play to our strengths. My selection for today assuming Evans is fit. Toni can help back for Rafael and with carrick slightly left Rooney doesn't need to defend as much and can stay up the pitch. Kagawa can get the ball from Clev or carrick and distribute to the front three.
De gea
Rafael vidic Evans evra
Clev. Carrick
Kagawa
Toni. RVP. Rooney

-KG

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25 Aug 2012 10:40:08
If i was fergie i would hope nani has a half decent season and cash in on him next summer and put the money forward to bringing in gareth bale!!

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We would get a pittance for Nani next summer who will have just one year left on his deal. He will either be sold this summer or given a new contract. There is no middle ground here.

Sydney!

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I think he'll sold next summer wether or not he has a great season, a good one, and average one or a poor one. The only thing the quality of his season will determine is the sale price.

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Bale is arguably more inconsistent than nani is

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James Rodiguez or Juan Mata over Gareth Bale! Bale only plays when he wants to! Selling Nani this season though would upset the core of the team I think but saying that it does nee a shake-up in the Utd camp

ALDUtd

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25 Aug 2012 10:37:32
Okay, so from what I've read, been told and seen Buttner is a very attacking LB, lets say in a similar mould to Alba or alves...

I'm quite ol' fashion and simply believe that a defender, including left backs should be able to defend first and attack second. This doesn't seem to be the case and although I'm going to give him a chance because he can't be much worse than Evra I'm just wondering if he's much better...forget potential to be better, is he better NOW? We'll soon see.

The Moon

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If United wanted a defender first, then we would have bought Enrique. But the manager loves his attacking fullbacks.

Sydney!

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Moon the game is evolving though, with traditional wingers dying out and becoming more like the old inside forwards its now up to fullbacks to provide attacking width and get crosses in. Which is why i guess a lot of people on here keep putting valencia down as a right back. There is a good discusion on this subject in the last chapters of the book Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson, a book i well recommend. Mort

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In todays game you have to be able to do it all in the full back position. If poor old Patrice gets forward to create and is out of position for an attack he is slated but the way i see it Fergie must be telling him to get forward or else he'd be dropped. I have alot of sympathy for Pat as he seems to have lost a yard and lost a bit of confidence.

Maybe Buttner is the future who knows but I for one will always think Pat was the best modern day fullback ive ever seen albeit a few years back.

GALWAY RED

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But this is where the game has moved on my friend. Full backs are the players who are supposed to give a team width and as such have become vital going forward, also with possession being the key now you don't need to worry about defending in numbers as much anymore. Personally I see Valencia moving into a wing back role, and Buttner doing the same on the other flank. I do feel if this is the way we are gonna play then we would need a more specialist DM type player to act as cover for counter attacks.

Shappy

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25 Aug 2012 09:24:23
I really wish we had signed Nuri Sahin,
He's probably someone we really could of done with. I think our summer spending is over now :( havin said that iv just watched a compilation of Buttners free kicks / penaltys and WOW he's very good.

TEDDY B

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Sahin will more than likely be available next summer, so if he has a good season at Liverpool we will try to sign him then. He will not stay at Liverpool, he never wanted to move there in the first place.

Sydney!

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I too am surprised that we never moved for him. I did see a comment from a Bundesliga expert that made me chuckle saying that sahin had made the 2nd biggest mistake of his career.

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25 Aug 2012 04:31:29
I think that SAF is going to retire as soon as we win our title back and quit at the top, whether it is this season (more than likely) or next season.

I don't believe that mourinho will be taking over because if there was an agreement set up then surely he wouldnt mind selling a good RM player or 2 to us now so that he wouldn't be using up "his transfer kitty" if he took over next year.

This season will tell us if it was guardiola that made the barca tick or just that the players are that damn good. If barca struggle at all this year with a new manager then it would show us that pep is actually a very good manager and should take over from SAF.

My own personal choice would be for Blanc to take over with Ole as his number 2. Both of them have strong United links and would have the respect of the players. They would also be more dignified than Jose.

Who ever comes in, having a good assistant is almost as important as having a good manager. 2nd opinions and alternative tactics are very would not be mike phelans strong point (not really sure what his strong points are!)

Let's start our season started properly today with a convincing win against a fulham side on a high after their last result. Kagawa for man of the match!!

RedDavidI

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I think its Obvious that Sir Alex will leave at the end of this season. He said he didn't wanna manage in his 70's and apparently RVP was a present signing from the Glazers, which would indicate that this is the bosses last year. I'm hopeful that we get Blanc as our next manager as Ole isn't ready yet.

Shappy

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Not sure that your Jose theory makes much sense, he's a professional manager so why would he sell United players from his current team? Also realistically i'm not sure who we would get, the top RM players would come with big fees and have big wages and most of them probably wouldn't want to come here. The ones that would be available would we necessarily want?

I feel that Jose is almost 90% on to be next United manager, then i think Ole would take over 3 years later.

The biggest concern for me, and i think it was Shappy who earlier raised the same point, is actually the back room staff and scouting. I think both are over due a massive overhaul which wont happen till Fergie leaves as there are a few Fergie Favourites in jobs who are untouchabale whilst he's here. However the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher can all take a few jobs to keep continuity. Mort

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25 Aug 2012 02:24:57
In the last few days I've seen people say we miss pogba to me we don't one bit, I honestly rate tunnicliffe higher than pogba and Lingard and Petrucci are better imo. We don't need pogba! My next point is Petrucci he must be highly rated within the club because I can't think off any young players who have been injured for 2 years and not been released can you? Finally Lingard and tunnicliffe I think could break into the first team if not this season definatley next they have a great attitude as they want to wear the shirt, Lingard reminds of iniesta and tunnicliffe reminds me of a young Roy keane and i believe he will be a future united captain! United till I die!

Caolán.

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If you honestly rated Tunnicliffe, Lingard and Petrucci higher than Pogba then you must not have watched a lot of reserve team football, he dominated every midfield he come against in the reserve team and even made the 'very highly rated' Ross Barkley look like a pub league footballer. The guy was head and shoulders above the rest and really should have been in the first team a lot more than he was.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm taking nothing away from Petrucci, Lingard and Tunnicliffe as they are great young players with massive potential, I just honestly think that Pogba will be world class when he's older and I'm gutted we lost him.

CnM

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Lingard and Tunnicliffe are both very good players. Lingard is very much like Scholes and Tunnicliffe is in the Keano mould. Should break through this season in fringe games and very much looking forward to watching these two blend in.

Red Snapper

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I really rate Tunnercliffe and Lingard, and oddly enough they were always my favourite players of that youth team. But it is really unfair to put the pressure of living upto players.such as Keane and Iniesta on their young shoulders. I want them to become.great players in their own right. Players who peak younger can quite often stagnate and never reach their full potential as they are better then all those their age but not good enough for the first team so they get stuck playing a.lower level of football then their capable of. I think Lingard and Tunnicliffe could do with two loans before they are ready for the first team. I'd keep them until Christmas and play them in the early rounds of the cups to give them a taste of what their working towards. Then i'd loan them out to the championship until the end of the season. Follow that with a.six month loan to a.prem team at the start of next season then assess them then.

Shappy

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Lets hope youre right and in petrucci i believe he would add more to the team now
than carrick cleverley and andersson

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Lingard is exceptionally talented and also seems to hold his head above his shoulders. His passing range is very good and against amazaU (spelling?) his passing stats were very high completion rate. I think he will be another scholes or maybe better if he just bulks up a bit he will defo be good enoughnext season
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Pogba is FAR better than all of the youth you just mentioned. Pogba will be one of the best midfielders in the world within two years.

Sydney!

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So why was he allowed to leave Sydney. The impression I'm getting is that SAF didn't like him. Everyone on this site has been raving about Pogba (and Morrison) for 3 years, every year saying that he would get more game-time each season, but it didn't happen. We had plenty of injuries (park/Rafael midfield?). It just doesn't make sense to me Sydney, and nobody has said yet why he definitely left, and why he didn't get to play more matches.

J Bones.

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Bones, the manager and club done everything to keep Pogba. The manager repeatedly said in press conferences that Pogba was in the 1st team. The manager said on numerous occasions that he wants Pogba to stay. He threw his dolly out the pram when he left and said Pogba was disrespectful for leaving. Anyone can see he was part of the manager's plans. The reason he never got picked as often was because he would sign a new deal. If he had signed a new deal he would have started against Everton and Fulham today. Ed002 has made it clear why Pogba left. I am not going to be sour and pretend Pogba wasn't good enough just because he left. Pogba was the best thing to come from our academy since 1992 and will be a world beater.

Sydney!

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25 Aug 2012 02:17:15
Got asked a question by my uncle a lfc fan but he actually likes us too, don't know why but he asked me where do I see our club in 5 years I said to him we will have been the only team to win the league 5 times in a row, we will do the treble and defend the champions leauge, the glazer will have moved on and we will have the best players available, Ronaldo will be back fergie will work with sir bobby, guardiola or mourinho will be the manager and no one will be able to beat us!
Hopefully this all happens, but I'm optimistic i will have got some on it right. United till I die.

Caolán.

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I don't think Ronaldo would come back but other than that, I agree.

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There is optimistic and there is deluded. You are unfortunately the latter!

GDS

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I think someday he will!

Caolán.

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I have to agree, I feel Ronaldo will be back, he still loves the club so he hopefully will

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25 Aug 2012 01:21:25
Hi eds great job, this is to syd and other rational thinking fans.
Am I the only person who doesn't get the whole Danny welbeck thing? Of all our strikers he would be my 4th choice if that. His ball retention is dreadful, his first touch is awful, and second touch is usually a tackle because of it. He tends to stick a long leg out and occasionally win the ball back and everybody thinks "well done Danny" but nothing ever comes of it. His work rate used to be good but headless chicken springs to mind. In my opinion he does too many flicks and loses possession too often. I would much rather have
Jelavic, there's much more end product and I think we could swap him for welbeck and possibly get cash too, as everybody else seems to love Danny, what am I missing?
Also it's interesting that our first two games are against Everton and Fulham, both teams contain players we've been linked with, in Fellaini and Dembele. After the Everton game everyone could see what we were missing, let's hope Dembele doesn't ram the point home.
Please post this as I would love to hear syd's opinion

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His first touch is awful? You sure you are watching Danny Welbeck? His first touch is one of his greatest assets. I think with a little more improvement Danny could be a top quality player. Learning from Rooney and rvp can only help that I'd imagine.

GDS

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We all have our opinions and I personally rate welbeck as having a lot of potential. I think he has come on leaps and bounds and appears to have a good footballing brain with awareness of players around him. I believe his finishing and interplay is good but should also improve as he is still young. My only concern is he is not that quick over the first few yards but his game is not about playing off the defenders shoulder like chicarito anyway. I would like to add that henriquez will be a great signing if what I have heard from a few scouts is true (these are not united scouts so I dont have any insider knowledge of our transfers). Bookedredmole

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Well he had a pass success rate of 91% last year so he hardly gave the ball away, for a striker that is a massively high pass rate. He was tackled on average 1.8 times a game, so less than twice a game would the opposition take the ball from him. So I fail to see where you get the idea that he is always giving the ball away from. He looks awkward and gangly but his stats say he doesn't give the ball away often at all. He's had problems growing as such it will.take him alittle longer to fill.out but when he does he won't be so bambi legged. If he can improve his shooting accuracy then he'll be a top player.

Shappy

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Welbeck is still a working progress. The manager said yesterday in the press conference that Welbeck will be a top player in 2-3 years time. The boy is still learning, but he will come good. RVP didn't come good til he was around 26. Lewandowski at 23 is just recognising his talents. Lorente and David Villa didn't blossom til they were 23/24. Drogba was the same. We have to be patient with Danny, but in 2-3 years he will be some player.

Sydney!

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Welbeck is a year removed from a loan and reserve football. He was solid last season and good at the euros. Give him time, he's young. But he does need to improve, something players like Nani and chicharito haven't yet shown. Let's hope we can have a young player continue to develop instead of plateau like some recent phenoms. -KG

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25 Aug 2012 00:41:03
Something tells me Buttner will be a fine respected player. He always quotes about living a dream. He is damn fast and has a great left foot.

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25 Aug 2012 00:19:26
Sorry think that posted early.

Giggsy instead. It's all well and good having great almost world class youngsters but if they don't play then they have no chance.

We needed a CMer or two this summer same as the last 2 summers but value for money or players choosing other teams have seen that area depleted to the current state. We once sold once and kanchelskis and brought in a veriety of youngsters and stuck with them and look how they turned out. Saf has lost his bottle with age and has went with safer options out of position instead of younger players.

We need a major shake up mate and although we have signed well so far a CMer or two if Ando leaves is a major priority NOW or we will not compete with the best.

That's as simply as I can put it!

Jono

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That was meant as a reply to the guy with the world class youngsters post. The first part must be lost.

Jono

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25 Aug 2012 00:12:24
If our midfielders stay fit which is a BIG if ! Then do we need a new singing really? Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson are good enough along with Scholes, Giggs, Jones, Tunners, Petrucci etc all being able to play there.

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Xavi iniesta busquets mascherano keita thiago fabregas song dossantos, now thats a mf so ye we defo need 1 signing if not two

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24 Aug 2012 23:41:40
whistler thank you! I've been trying for ages to think of who henriquez reminded me of. I knew it was someone from back when serie a was good. Batistuta! Yes i think the same. Thanks.

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Bati-goal! what a player. If Henriquez is half as good he will be some player!

J Bones.

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