Manchester United Banter Archive August 25 2015

 

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25 Aug 2015 23:28:39
Well living in Ipswich makes this tie extra exciting for myself, especially as all my colleagues and friends are town supporters.

Lets hope we win comfortably because I don't think the car journey home will be too fun for myself.

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26 Aug 2015 08:43:43
At least it won't be a long one should that happen.

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26 Aug 2015 11:43:17
LVG is playing everybody, watch woodward sign pele on deadline day.

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25 Aug 2015 22:43:08
Ipswich at home 3rd round of the Capital one cup, should be straight forward, but then again, so was MK Dons.

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26 Aug 2015 06:33:45
LVG thought highly of our youth last time around. But this he'll play safer with more usual players starting the game like Herrera, fellaini etc.

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26 Aug 2015 10:33:51
Anon, that post sounds like it could've been written by a Liverpool fan.

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25 Aug 2015 22:08:43
Hi guys, little disappointed with our failure to land pedro, due to Ed Woodwards strategy of misbelief that we are the only club interested in him, however I have heard from sources that we are trying to guzump city on the de bryne transfer and that he is genuinely interested in joining us over city. The guys got a great engine may solve our right Attacking midfield issue. Also neymar will never happen, LVG will destroy the lad!

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26 Aug 2015 00:58:00
sources. you mean the papers.

why does everyone claim to be "ITK" when it's blatantly obvious they're just reading the papers.

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26 Aug 2015 07:13:07
Maybe he wrote that article lol

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26 Aug 2015 07:39:42
Why u so cynical JK? Have you ever thought he might just talk to the ketchup bottle?

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26 Aug 2015 09:10:10
I see what you did there Chris. lol. Saucy devil.

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26 Aug 2015 09:39:59
Do we really need KDB? I really don't think we do

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25 Aug 2015 21:48:03
Following tonight's, results If we qualify we will be a 3rd seed so we will have a group of death. Undress bayer lose tomorrow

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25 Aug 2015 22:11:32
Bring on the group of Death! Some great nights at old Trafford for us season ticket holders and it will improve our game massively playing top teams!!

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25 Aug 2015 23:56:24
Nonsense, we are in pot 2 if we qualify.

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26 Aug 2015 08:38:13
What are you going on about Ken, we are in Pot 2 which is the best place we can possibly be having not won our domestic championship, despite having a year out our coefficient still has us seeded higher than City.

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26 Aug 2015 09:06:43
Ken where on Earth have you conjured up this scenario from? As far as I am aware it's pot 2.

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26 Aug 2015 10:12:32
Undressing and a seed in pot 2 - am I on the right site?

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26 Aug 2015 11:39:49
There was a post similar to this the other day and I put the link on to show where we are seeded. We are in pot 2 if we qualify along with City and Arsenal, we won't be able to draw either Madrid team either as they are also Pot 2, but we are getting ahead of ourselves, let's get through tonight first!

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25 Aug 2015 21:24:27
Wouldn't anyone think Tom Huddleston would be good player to have as addition to the team, known the lad for years as we went school together really nice person and I think can have play a good game, also started out as a cb so could be back up for there

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25 Aug 2015 22:29:15
Absolute madness

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25 Aug 2015 23:20:45
I went to school with Barry Ferguson from rangers doesn't mean I want to bring him out of retirement to play get a grip

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{Ed007's Note - That must have been an eye-opener!}

25 Aug 2015 23:23:17
What have you been smoking

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25 Aug 2015 23:28:02
My mate Steve plays for the Golden Goose, plays right Back and once scored a screamer 3 minutes after throwing up due to being hung over.

He could be a good addition to the squad also.
;)

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26 Aug 2015 00:26:10
He'd still get played out of position

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26 Aug 2015 00:28:15
Well if he's a nice lad sign him up!!!

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26 Aug 2015 02:30:20
Didn't I say addition he's far from a terrible player and I was just stating he's a nice bloke, very small minded people some of you, just thought he would be a decent player as a back up to injurys

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26 Aug 2015 07:39:37
Never going to happen so why waste your and our time by posting it?. nice lad lol!!!!

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26 Aug 2015 09:26:51
Nicky where never going to sign half the players we put on here, just seeing peoples opinion he's a good player and if you've watched him play you would no that, nobody ever wants to just have a yes or no answer on here or give there point to why not they just want to dig people out, no wonder ed02 don't give anything ud think we were all enemies

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25 Aug 2015 21:31:37
LVG has confirmed his intentions for Felliani to be used as a striker. I am not saying it won't be effective (as the long ball as effective at times last year) but is this what it has really come to? Another midfielder being played outwith his natural position. Just buy a striker.

Pretty sad really.

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25 Aug 2015 22:13:47
Whats sad about playing the best target man in the world (IMO), in a position where we know he's effective?

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25 Aug 2015 22:21:00
1)yes,I'd prefer it if we buy a striker
2) just because fellaini is a pole, doesn't mean he can't play the ball on the ground. He's really not as bad with the ball as people make him out to be. So long balls maybe an option but not necessarily a rule with him.

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25 Aug 2015 22:38:29
He's done well when used and is a alternative when plan A is not working. But after a year and 3 transfer windows, we can't possibly be going into games using the long ball as the starting game plan. How's that tie in with the philosophy.

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26 Aug 2015 06:36:07
Nobody cares if the long ball works and we win, it could be vital thing against teams like Barcelona who have shorter CBs and usually suck at set pieces.

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26 Aug 2015 07:39:53
This could actually work out perfectly. Fellaini is the best at what he does. He is tall and will be a target man, not just for "long balls" but also for the crosses coming in. His upper body strength is good and can hold up the ball and bring others into play. He can head the ball and certainly would not be bullied off the ball. And most importantly this would improve Rooney's game. We all know he is a better second striker. Playing off Fellaini might just bring out the best in him. But we would still need a RW though else we Will be stuck with Mata cutting in.

If this Fellaini experiment works, this would be a masterstroke of sorts. Memphis and Wayne running off the wig would be a nice combination. Man Utd quality or not, he has his own qualities and as long as he uses those and wins us games, he will have my support. Go Wig.

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26 Aug 2015 07:43:58
Go Wiggy go wiggy go 😆😆

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26 Aug 2015 08:29:30
The world has gone mad. We'll be getting heskey next.

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26 Aug 2015 08:55:27
WOW.

We are pleased with Felliani up top. If that's your poison do you really believe we are up their with the best in the world? Messi, Ronaldo, Muller, Aguero, Costa, Felliani. huh Felliani? Scoff.

I am embarrassed.

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26 Aug 2015 16:34:36
To be frank, the only thing embarassing is your constant nagging posts. You should look at what we HAVE and use that to your advantage. Messi, Ronaldo, Muller, Aguero, Costa, how many of these do you have in your squad mate?
NONE.
Dreaming isn't bad, but once you wake up, please see the real world around you.

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25 Aug 2015 21:08:56
So fellaini is the surprise striker after all. and by bigger targets woodward meant literally

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25 Aug 2015 21:16:45
Also fulfils the criteria of 'not the one the press are talking about'

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26 Aug 2015 08:41:53
Woodward never said anything about "bigger targets"

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26 Aug 2015 09:51:46
maybe he was referring to fellani's height

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25 Aug 2015 21:02:31
It is clear we need a fast winger. How about palace's Zaha! !!!

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25 Aug 2015 21:25:17
I don't think we should have sold him, do any of the eds know whether we included a buyback clause in the deal?

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26 Aug 2015 07:49:25
I hear he may go to Spain moyes is looking to bring a couple of epl players over to help his daughter settle in she is homesick

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26 Aug 2015 09:19:45
Hahaha, brilliant Ken.

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26 Aug 2015 10:24:25
Or tuck her in Ken

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25 Aug 2015 20:19:53
Just a reminder guys

I have tonight recorded the first podcast for the page and should have it uploaded soon I hope.

Big cheers to RED in Moscow for being the first victim of mine :)

He didn't mind the chains either ed01.

CTR

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{Ed001's Note - I bet he loved them really, he seems the type.}

25 Aug 2015 20:35:09
I let him go mate, it's no fun if they don't fight.

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25 Aug 2015 20:39:01
Ok Chris, I'm prepared to do next week's as long as you put those gold hot pants on and let me call you Kylie

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25 Aug 2015 20:47:25
Chris how could i get involved? Or is it invite only? Cheers. K

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25 Aug 2015 22:12:38
Was a pleasure Chris mate. Hope everyone enjoys it when it comes out tomorrow!

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25 Aug 2015 22:13:59
But that's enough about our sex tape.

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25 Aug 2015 21:26:10
Look forward to listening to it. Where will it be posted?

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{Ed007's Note - Try this link...

www.football-news-views.co.uk/podcasts/football-rumours-podcast_4.php

25 Aug 2015 20:13:54
I'd play anyone in number 9 position if it meant rooney was dropped! He needs a kick up the backside and hernandez and wilson aren't food enough to give it him

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25 Aug 2015 20:19:03
They can count themselves lucky that they aren't food enough or he'd have had them wil a plate of chips.

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25 Aug 2015 20:26:43
Oh the irony!! That's what happens Danny when you take the p##s out of people mis- spelling. It's called korma lol.

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25 Aug 2015 20:28:20
I watched a few re-runs games when Rooney first signed for the club, on the club's TV channel and I have to say that at 17/18, he was not only a better footballer than he is now, but much more physically powerful. I mean surely, he should be at least physically stronger now than he was at 18?

I think someone need's to investigate him because I am beginning to think his 39 not 29. :O)

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25 Aug 2015 20:29:41
Pmsl Danny. I'm not agreeing with you much lately but glad your stilla funny Chao

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25 Aug 2015 20:45:19
I meant to say he's not his. (My kid don't like to sleep so he doesn't like anyone else in the house sleeping)

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25 Aug 2015 20:46:08
Oh carp!

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25 Aug 2015 21:09:39
Are hernandez and wilson not foods??? Oh no. where am I???😀

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25 Aug 2015 20:13:05
Van Gaal on fellaini "He can play as a no.9 and a no.10, and he can also play as a no.6 and no.8.

"This year he wiil play more as a no.9 and no.10 rather than 6 and 8 because there we have other players."

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25 Aug 2015 20:26:19
Oh joy, let's lump it up to the big man eh?

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25 Aug 2015 20:29:37
I'd play him over Rooney in the number 9 all day long. At least he won't get bullied.

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25 Aug 2015 21:49:08
I said last night how much I rate Felaini, its not just lumping it up to him AJH, its everything he brings, his touch, his clever passing, and not to mention it means he will have a man following him round the pitch everywhere he goes, which leaves more room for Depay, Mata etc. I just don't get the hate on Fellaini, he's one of the main reasons we are in the CL this season, yet people still find time to slate him. he's quality, and judging by Rooneys performances so far this season, and how little Hernandez actually gives you in his all round game, I would have Fellaini in the team over both of them any day in the number 9 role. Also remember when we used to have RVN and we used to lump it up to him and he would hold off players creating chances for on rushing midfielders? Just saying, I bet you weren't whining then.

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26 Aug 2015 08:33:01
Jose, hate for fellaini? He's Ronaldo rvp rvn Cole Hughes all rolled into one player!! Not!

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25 Aug 2015 20:12:53
I for one am very excited about Fellaini being played in advanced positions, teams going to struggle that sit deep against us, against big teams he can be our plan b aslong as we get a rw with pace for those games where we need something top drawer, our midfield and defence is solid but our transition from defence to attack is slow compared to united teams that thrased arsenal mon many meetings in fergie era.I for one am happy to see that we doing the basics right but this season we wanna see a lot of the united way of playing football back excite us tomorrow for we will never stop dreaming GGMU

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25 Aug 2015 20:22:50
I don't know why you're excited, it's how we played in the latter half of last season with Fellaini as the most advanced in a midfield three playing close to the left wing knocking it down to Young. Granted Depay is more dangerous than Young, but it's just a slightly more defensive form of last year's system with two sitting mids rather than one.

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25 Aug 2015 20:33:29
I would play Fellaini in that system all day long. We played our best football in a long time with him playing on the left side of midfield because he presents such a threat to the opposition and will open up space for other players.

The guy is a major asset; and I for one am glad we have him at the moment. He will win us a lot of points this season, especially as we are not going to sign anyone now - by the looks of things.

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25 Aug 2015 23:41:17
Long balls towards Fellaini, fight for the ball and hope to score. i'm sorry, but this is not good fotball. Yes it got us the points and a cl spot, but you cannot win anything with this style of play. To much coinsidents, and you cannot be lucky true an entire season. Also LVG acting like a clown everytime he gets questions he don't like, sometimes i actually believes he is a mad man. Sad to see a great club like ManUtd in this state.

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26 Aug 2015 07:47:55
There's a reason SAF, Moyes and now LVG want Fellaini. And it certainly isn't just the hair. People some how don't seem to see his footballing abilities. He is actually very good with his feet as well. It's not a conincidence that some of our best football last season came when Fellaini was involved. If it had been, we would have won against Chelsea as well where "the special one" played an extra defender just to mark Fellaini out of the game. Certainly he saw something that we don't. People who actually have football knowledge know how good Fellaini is.

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26 Aug 2015 08:36:45
Maybe if he cut his hair off he can run faster than an ant and we can then half take him seriously.

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25 Aug 2015 19:54:54
Message for mumbai boy. I landed in Mumbai yesterday for a couple of days and I have not seen you once. I know there is about 25 million people here but no sign of you anywhere😀

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25 Aug 2015 20:04:27
Haha ken, welcome to my city mate ;)

Ironically the local team which I support in the Indian Super League is Mumbai City FK aka MCFC.

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25 Aug 2015 20:16:51
Regular visitor pal. I'm afraid I detest your team based on their initials. Ha ha it can't be great playing soccer in this humidity jaysus even di maria would break sweat here

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25 Aug 2015 20:25:53
Come on guys, get a room

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25 Aug 2015 20:28:11
Steady on Ken , no need to exaggerate!

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25 Aug 2015 20:31:40
Now now Tony nothing wrong with sharing the love.

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25 Aug 2015 20:35:28
Hahaha ajh, you wanna join? :P

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25 Aug 2015 20:46:10
Honestly betty even berbatov would lose a stone playing 90mins here

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25 Aug 2015 20:59:38
Nah, Schmidfeidl lives down the road from me and I prefer older men, especially when I can walk home.

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25 Aug 2015 21:45:51
Ken, maybe you could take a certain Mr.Rooney with you next time?

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26 Aug 2015 00:09:42
Ajh. Warrington is the place. It's all happening
Haha.

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25 Aug 2015 18:44:18
I love coming on these pages and reading about all these players your are getting and how you are the biggest in the world, next to the repeats of fools and horses this is magical comedy.

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25 Aug 2015 18:55:08
Then you should try the Liverpool page. Those guys are professional at this. You'll love it.

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25 Aug 2015 18:56:56
Bit like when looserpool fans predict this year is our year for the past couple of decades

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25 Aug 2015 19:01:20
You remind me of my Nan's Jack Russell.

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25 Aug 2015 19:05:40
Should stick to your own page there more deluded than us.

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25 Aug 2015 19:31:58
Which one if the fools and horses are you reds?

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25 Aug 2015 19:44:58
Mighty red, might be a United red,
Explains why you are so worried about what goes on here.if ris comedy your after listen to Brenda's waffle every week.
The best comedy line he has,
We showed great character

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25 Aug 2015 19:53:01
Guys, I've just searched for this muppet on the Liverpool site and he is nowhere to be seen. Let's ignore him and remind ourselves that it is 26 years since Liverpool won the League. Since then, United, Chelsea, Cirty, Aesenal, (all several times) Blackburn, and Leeds have all won it. Liverpool do indeed have history, 26 years proves it

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25 Aug 2015 19:55:01
Might red "What a plonker"😆😆

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25 Aug 2015 20:11:22
Mighty red's favourite line from Only Fools must be "This time next year we'll be millionaires", however in his head it ends with "champions"! Keep dreaming young fella!

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25 Aug 2015 20:23:40
Mighty reds. Your name is overa quarter of a century out of date. Suggested new names for you
Used to be mighty reds
Mighty muppet
Mighty plonker
Might win again some day
Might grow up
Might pay sense
I made it easy for you no long words so even you MIGHT manage. Have a nice evening
Sent with best regards and 20 championship kisses xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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25 Aug 2015 20:37:47
Ken, you forgot mighty mug.

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25 Aug 2015 21:28:51
He reminds me of Trigger about as a smart although trigger had a job

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25 Aug 2015 21:53:25
Mighty Red , its good to laugh mate , so carry on. But just remember the funniest moment in football history belongs to Liverpool FC , and Brenda in particular.

You may be too young to remember it. A long , long time ago when you were still in nappies a manager by the name of Brenda Rogers was in charge at Liverpool Football Club. He agreed to sell probably the best player in the world at that moment in time , to some Spanish club. But he did not panic , because he had a master plan.

Yes , the genius that is Brenda decided that he could replace Luis Suarez with , none other than Rickie Lambert.

Now that truly is comedy gold.

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26 Aug 2015 07:55:17
I think you got that one terribly wrong Betty. Brenda actually replaced Suarez with that genius combustible fuel tanker Super Mario. Lambert was just brought in case Mario got tired and did his "why always me" bit.

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25 Aug 2015 17:50:18
i would not be surprised to see us make a move for stones and berahino

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25 Aug 2015 19:11:40
I'd be happy with that after last years fiasco with ADM and Falcao young proven PL players for half the price is far more sensible at this moment in time.

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25 Aug 2015 19:12:08
No I wouldn't either I would be absolutely f####n amazed

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25 Aug 2015 19:54:21
£28M plus Evans for Stones. Stones and Smalling should be the next long term England pairing. not sure about Berahino, he would give us pace and if we are struggling for others would certainly add something this year.

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25 Aug 2015 20:07:57
If Utd paid the reported 30 mil WBA want for berahino i'd be furious. Is there no better forward around for the same amount of money? other players may not be available we want doesn't mean we should buy him.

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25 Aug 2015 20:38:38
30 million is crazy money.

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25 Aug 2015 23:47:52
There is a lot more to a transfer than the transfer fee, 30 mill isn't that bad for a player who is young, on small wages who can be sold later to get some of it back. Bastian is crazy money, and i wonder how much that deal will cost the club in total with sign on fee, agent fee, wages etc etc.

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26 Aug 2015 00:14:23
I wouldn't pay £5m for him.

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25 Aug 2015 17:43:33
Just watching highlights of the game v Newcastle. It is really poor to see rooney lack of movement in the box. Several times you saw mata or memphis beat a defender and cross or pass but rooney is stood there on his heels and not in an athletic position to receive the ball . It was apparent throughout that he's not in a fit state to be leading the line.

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25 Aug 2015 19:14:15
I stopped reading after several times you saw mata beat a defender LOL

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25 Aug 2015 19:44:06
Hope you are right about Stones and Berahino but am afraid that we won't go for either player.
I have already stated that Stones is worth £35m as he can be another Rio.
Berahino has pace to burn and appears a natural finisher.

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25 Aug 2015 19:54:42
Not just in the box mate, he was pretty static throughout.

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25 Aug 2015 20:04:38
It doesn´t matter what forward we buy or "9" we get in the box. As long as they don´t receive clear chances they won’t score. It is just a matter of changing the football mentality. The one and only clear chance Rooney have he scored, and the referee made the wrong decision.

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25 Aug 2015 17:10:26
Wonder has anyone told Van Gaal it's almost time for the 'no value in the market ' line ?

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25 Aug 2015 19:14:57
That was fergie's!! LVG has his own "it's a process"

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25 Aug 2015 19:55:14
I think we are bidding big money for big stars but nobody is selling.

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26 Aug 2015 00:17:06
And the no value line was when city bought silva. And we all know what has there!

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25 Aug 2015 15:06:28
Ed. I'm jealous of some posters profiles having badges. How do we get them. Sorry if I've missed the reasoning behind it as it's probably been explained but surely some of us older heads deserve some sort of badge for length of service and infuriating repetitive posts. Maybe one for twice being banned by ed002 for libellous posts?

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{Ed033's Note - We are going to add some automated badges for number of posts/replies at some point but at the moment you can collect automatic badges by playing our horse racing game on our football rumours bets site

25 Aug 2015 18:36:44
Many thanks. Any chance you could have yellow and red cards too? I reckon ed002 would be dishing them out like some corrupt italian referee.

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25 Aug 2015 16:46:51
Apparently Stones has handed in a transfer request, how good do people think he could be? Our ex-iniesta Mr cleverley said he's like a young Rio. Would it be good business to get him in with a view to offloading the slowly but surely disappearing future of Phil Jones? Would be good to get one over on Mourinho too.

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25 Aug 2015 17:02:11
Ive mentioned this too mate below. Think we need to go all out for him but the problem is it will become a bidding war and if Chelsea win we will be the laughing stock. Hopefully with Evans and a lot of money we can persuade him to come. It will be a hefty price but i honestly think he will be great, maybe even a future captain of club and country. What Jones was supposed to be !!!!

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25 Aug 2015 17:04:40
I am assuming he has handed in a request to go to Chelsea?

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25 Aug 2015 17:20:45
Cash plus Evans surely. They get a replacement and money to spend. Evans gets his preferred move do he doesn't have to move house. And we get a top youngster.

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25 Aug 2015 17:21:29
I would offload Johnny Evans before thinking about selling Jones.

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25 Aug 2015 17:25:26
He is joining Chelsea.

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25 Aug 2015 18:30:55
He just isn't worth the money being spoken of!!!

I'd rather Marquinos, Laporte, Varane etc.

😞😞

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25 Aug 2015 18:51:01
Would be nice mate but almost impossible as it looks certain that Chelsea will get him now :( Just think of the long term partnership he and Smalling could potentially form, we could be sorted for years1!

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25 Aug 2015 18:53:37
From what I've seen a "young Rio" seems apt. Strong in the tackle and good with the ball. Very composed for a young lad. However I don't think a CB should be our priority. Seem like he's off to Chelsea and boy do they need him.

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25 Aug 2015 19:07:09
Laporte is £35million + is he worth that too? Varane won't be far behind.

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25 Aug 2015 19:11:12
patzi
is he worth as much as shaw

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25 Aug 2015 19:21:07
Doesn't mean to say he can only sign for chelsea once handing in a request.

Marquinos and Varane would cost an arm and leg patzi and aren't proven in the PL. Laporte makes most sense though!

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25 Aug 2015 22:04:50
Van Dijk all day long lads and as regards going for a forward, throw 50mil at atletico for griezmann and we would be sorted. A real game changer

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25 Aug 2015 16:44:17
John stones handed in transfer request so guess we know what that means. I hope LVG pulls a rabbit out of the hat and we get him. I wanted an experienced CB but as that looks less and less likely i would love Stones now

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25 Aug 2015 16:17:29
A little disappointed to see Cuadrado go on loan to Juve, really wanted him to prove himself as I know he's a class after watching him various times and he's now leaving with a bad reputation and we classes as a flop without getting a chance.

Really thought we should've gone in for him last year, gutted when we didn't and I think now more than ever we're crying out for a player like him for our right side. I know Jose wouldn't have allowed it but it would've been a decent coup for us if we could've got him on loan, pace, trickery, rocket of a right foot and decent at crossing.

*Other than him the only other right sided players I can think of who would take Mata out of the team and give us that much needed width to stretch defences are Lucas Moura, Bellarabi and Berradi, and none of them are linked to us. Well, not that I've seen anyway.

*realistic and available options

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25 Aug 2015 17:22:25
If he couldn't hack it at Chelsea then what makes it certain he'd have done it with us.

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25 Aug 2015 19:12:20
He wasn't given the chance mort and wasn't mata deemed surplus to Chelsea?

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25 Aug 2015 15:55:49
We should bid for Isco.

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25 Aug 2015 16:07:50
Class player. doesn't solve our lack of pace problem though

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25 Aug 2015 16:09:58
A number 10 who can also play on the left, just what we need!

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25 Aug 2015 08:58:56
Ed002, if you can hear me. I know you dislike us immensely, don't blame you for some of the idiots on here. But could you offer just one piece of info? Is this Neymar thing paper rubbish or does it have some legs? You could just put PR or HL and we'll know. Then we can be put back out un the cold. Pretty sure I know which, nice to confirm tho. Thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - I am afraid I have no interest in providing any information for the MU page.}

25 Aug 2015 15:51:35
001 said it was paper nonsense mate, should just leave it there. Fabricated story to get a new contract, it's all the craze in Spain this year.

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25 Aug 2015 15:53:38
we will find out within the next week, Brendan.

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25 Aug 2015 16:13:00
*remembers jmb*

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25 Aug 2015 17:55:23
Yeah, just thought it would shut people up about that at least, as ed002 is the only in the know ed, so to speak. Fair do's though ed, I can't be arsed with many on here either :-)

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25 Aug 2015 14:37:49
Hi guys, just want to play a game of devils advocate for a moment;
If the unthinkable happens tmrw and we are knocked out of the champions league what would eds and posters think will be the consequences, if any, for LVG?
Should and would the club stick by him?
Cheers.

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{Ed007's Note - Is Devil, Dick's brother?}

25 Aug 2015 14:59:52
Quality bond. :D

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25 Aug 2015 15:21:13
Nice one Bond!

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25 Aug 2015 14:37:14
While the lure of trophies is certainly very strong and Barcelona certainly have a better chance than us of winning trophies but would the lure of becoming the biggest player at a club mean something to Neymar.


It is very difficult to imagine him leaving Barcelona but he is never going to eclipse Messi there and now has Suarez to challenge him.

Also according to DM he is on 125k, surely we would pay him 200k easy.


Unfortunately still don't see it happening.

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25 Aug 2015 14:45:45
125k a week is exactly the reason why there's all this in the papers at the moment. His agent is most likely trying to get him a rise and discreetly saying he's considering us is going to worry Barca so they give him an improved contracts. It's what Wullie Ballache was saying and I think for once he's not talking absolute rubbish.

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25 Aug 2015 14:48:06
You can twist it any way you like. He's not leaving barca. And even if he somehow was, every club you can imagine would be after him.

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25 Aug 2015 15:12:41
"every club you can imagine would be after him."

I would think there are only a few clubs who could afford to pay his buy out clause and pay him the sort of money that is being touted.

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25 Aug 2015 15:40:33
That's sort of what i meant. Wrong choice of words. Ofcourse most clubs can't afford him. I just don't like uaing the word 'big clubs'

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25 Aug 2015 17:31:17
No worries mate.

It is a lot of money. A ridiculous amount to be spending on one individual; but that is the price we must pay to get back to the top it would seem.

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25 Aug 2015 18:35:55
I SAID IT WITH RAMOS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN WITH NEYMAR

NOOOOOOO CHAAAAANCE!!!! WAKE UP BREDRINS!!!!

😲😲😲😲😲

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25 Aug 2015 13:40:47
This is a long bloody 'process'

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25 Aug 2015 14:47:36
Eh? Can I use my 50/50 or ask the audience please?

No? Ok then , I'll have to have a guess.

Erm , is it photosynthesis?

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25 Aug 2015 15:18:09
Darn I was going for evolution

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25 Aug 2015 15:34:26
On form today Bond!! See above response also. lol

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25 Aug 2015 21:07:09
Ahhh so ed001 is Ed Woodward 😉

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25 Aug 2015 13:27:09
Chelsea turned there attention to garay!

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25 Aug 2015 13:53:33
Man Utd turn their attention to Jamie Vardy.

See what I did there Pep? I am now the media.

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25 Aug 2015 14:08:27
Actually you're a medium JMB.

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25 Aug 2015 16:02:54
If you were the media JMB there'd be some even more farcical, crazy articles in the papers

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25 Aug 2015 16:07:02
JMB you are growing on me with every post!

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25 Aug 2015 17:57:48
Not what I'd call you JMB, personally.

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25 Aug 2015 12:30:13
Neymar even if he is open to United move, worth 140 million in fees + 100 million salary?
Just because Pedro turn down United we need to buy someone that expensive? Almost 1/3 of addidas deal in one player?

Pedro turned down both Manchester clubs as I read from mags or whatever. That means he want to enjoy life in London at the expense of Chelsea. We can't blame him as he won everything in football atleast once in his career.

I heard Mourinho was able to convince Pedro in 60 seconds to join Chelsea. That does mean Pedro doesn't think like "Ok United are as big a club as Barca, they are in a rebuilding phase and joining them will be a new challenge and it gives me a opportunity to show what I have individually, liberating myself from the shadows of Messi."

It would have taken 30 seconds for Laurent Blanc to convince him to join PSG if they really wanted him.

We can surely get Griezmann, Reus and Laporte for 150 million. If Reus not available DDG + 15 m cash for Benzema.

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25 Aug 2015 13:21:58
How are you so sure that Pedro turned us down. couldn't it be the other way round, that United pulled the plug on him, and he had no option but to YES Chelsea.

I agree on the Neymar point though. I think it is just a joke on us now. Since the media know nothing, they will just link everyone and atleast one will be correct.

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25 Aug 2015 13:44:25
United did not pull the plug on Pedro as LVG said Pedro has a profile for a player he like to sign after Chelsea signing him. We will only pay 17m but Barca stood for 22m situation also ruled out as Schneiderlin was at same situation and we signed him. Woodward travelled to Barca to bargain or just to pull the plug.So only logical thing is pedro rejected Manchester United. If Chelsea was his only option then why Mourinho convince him by phone?

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25 Aug 2015 13:50:23
Pedro said himself he choose Chelsea over Untied and City. Is Pedro a liar? Doesn't seem any reason for him to lie to me.

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25 Aug 2015 14:09:51
Maze
That last statement was either sarcasm or plain stupid

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25 Aug 2015 14:11:32
Could we of not seeled a deal weeks before Chelsea came along :s

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25 Aug 2015 14:22:56
Do you honestly believe that someone as big as Ed Woodward would travel to Barcelona to bargain a deal for 5 million. Do you not think that all this bargaining could have been done over a phone call.
As for LVG statement, where does it imply that we wanted to sign him. The profile of a player that LVG wants is suited to several out there. So we must be signing/being rejected by everyone.

Pedro joined Chelsea, what else do you expect him to say. I am sorry, United rejected me, so i have come to merry old london. Ofcourse he will say i chose Chelsea. As it is Pedro, isn't that big a loss anyway.

I am sorry if i sound a little annoying. Its just that i feel disappointed when we ourselves start doubting our team and our owners. I myself am sad that we aren't making that stellar signing, but i would trust the coach and the team to go about their jobs to their best abilities.

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25 Aug 2015 15:28:19
Some people on here need to wake up. A player of Pedro's quality is available for a bargain price (comparative with the insanity of today's transfer market, at least), our CEO travels to Spain to wrap up a deal and the player instead ends up signing for one of our domestic rivals.

Ed dropped the ball again - simple as.

LVG has stated numerous times this summer that if there are opportunities to improve the squad he will do so. Not only would Pedro have improved our squad; he would have become the best winger at the club the moment that he put pen to paper.

The ONLY reason I could see us pulling the plug on a deal for Pedro would be if we had a deal lined up for somebody better - but given that there are only 11 wide players on par with or better than Pedro (Gotze, Bale, Reus, Sanchez, Muller, Hazard, Robben, Ribbery, Ronaldo, Neymar and Di Maria) and none of those players have signed for us or look likely to do so before the window shuts - I think it's safe to say that somebody at the club messed up.

That we're coming out publicly now and stating that we pulled the plug on the deal is nothing short of embarrassing.

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25 Aug 2015 16:16:39
Totally agree redseven. Woodward dropped a major clanger. The guy is a complete joke and he's turning our club into a joke in the process.
The thing that annoys me, is they put our statements like that fully knowing that some idiots actually believe the rubbish they talk. And basically the club are treating the fans as if we're all idiots.
Well sorry Woodward and co, you're the dickheads and we all know you're dickheads. So stop the crap and start acting in the interest of the fans that put the club where it is.

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25 Aug 2015 16:18:25
Redseven , your post lost all credibility as soon as you omitted Adam Lallana and Stewart Downing from the best 11 wide players.

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25 Aug 2015 18:08:43
11 better on fifa ratings I take it?

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25 Aug 2015 12:26:04
Can anyone name a top drawer player in the 'best in the world' category that we haven't been linked with?

Aguero seems the only one I can think of, everyone else has been mentioned.
Can you think of any others?

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25 Aug 2015 13:10:57
Heskey

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25 Aug 2015 13:21:03
Iniesta, saurez, Messi, Darren Gibson.

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25 Aug 2015 13:25:48
Hazard

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25 Aug 2015 13:30:08
James Rodriguez.

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25 Aug 2015 13:51:04
Don't forget Lalanna.

Scoff.

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25 Aug 2015 14:39:24
danny welbeck

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25 Aug 2015 15:32:47
Berbatov

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25 Aug 2015 16:17:19
THE BRAND.

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25 Aug 2015 16:31:02
Sanchez?
The one at arsenal not villa, just to clear that up.

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25 Aug 2015 12:23:22
Some reports saying Felipe Anderson is now on the radar. Naymar, Griezman, Gaitan, De Bruyne, Bale it all seems a bit clutching at straws for me. Given the chance to sign this guy though, having had another look at him, he has similarities to Ageuro and Memphis and that would make him a good option if his price is in around what Chelsea paid for Pedro.
The question is, Are we actually likely to sign him or is it just more speculation?

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25 Aug 2015 16:31:53
If we land Griezmann, bale or Anderson (not the fat one we had) I'd take those straws.

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25 Aug 2015 18:36:06
Surely if you get enough straws you will have a Bale?

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26 Aug 2015 10:41:24
Oh, Monkeyballs, that is possibly the best I've seen on this page. Congratulations sir.

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25 Aug 2015 12:06:17
A little post in regards to Ed Woodward who seems to be the most lauded and most hated man at Old Trafford (depending on what mood some wake up in the morning). Are we really that ignorant to assume all that happens in regards to transfers is choices made by Woodward and Woodward alone?

Let's just get one thing straight any purchases that "Ed" makes is ultimately on the say so of the directors, as it is for all intensive purposes, their revenue, their cash, their money. Do we all believe that Woodward rings up a club and says "we want to buy player X, how much is he available for?" And then actions the deal without pitching it to the directors?

Ed Woodward is a powerful businessmen. He is responsible for the running of one of the biggest institutes in sport and CEO at PWC beforehand, do we really think he doesn't know what fans expect from him? Do we believe he doesn't know he will have fans on his back if he doesn't get deals over the line? The Pedro fiasco would have infuriated Woodward because it has made him look foolish, so I do not believe he pulled the plug on it.

In my opinion the owners will be long gone by the end of the decade and maybe they feel splurging on players isn't beneficial in their future business strategy. We all know there is money to be spent but at the end of the day if the directors want to sit on it then that is their choice. If Ed had a blank check with no one to answer to don't you think he would strive to make himself an icon of the fans?

To put the blame at Woodward's door in an organisation of this size says more about someone's simplistic ignorance than anything else.

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25 Aug 2015 12:36:54
I agree to a certain extent, but we must also remember that Woodward is the Glazers' man through and through. I also believe that the owners goal is to sell in the next few years for the highest possible price. But Woodward is a key part of this strategy.

I don't think Woodard would have been frustrated at all because he isn't a football man. He is a business man, and his obligation is to increase profits and carry out the wishes of the owners. He has been doing this impeccably for the last two years.

Woodward's focus has been on securing sponsorship deals and other commercial interests. The club spent big last summer to secure CL football because it was in their commercial interest, but they have spent little this summer and shaved large amounts from last season's wage bill.

It's hardly Woodard's fault as he is just doing the job required of him by the owners. But he is the public face of the owners and must accept the criticisms that arise from this position.

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25 Aug 2015 12:38:49
I would agree with pretty much everything here in terms of Ed's role in the United hierarchy, except if he were CEO at PWC there would be no way he'd have moved to United!

My understanding was that he was an advisor in the mergers and acquisitions department there and that's how the Glazer family came to know of him as he helped them on their purchase. If anything that would prove Ed is 100% a Glazer disciple rather than Gill who wa at the club prior to the Glazers and understood the club's traditions better.

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25 Aug 2015 13:00:05
You are right about Woodward not having total control over transfers. The owners and the board will be taking direction and advice from someone , and my feeling is that its not just LvG.

I have said this before , but I suspect SAF still has a hell of a lot more power at United than we realise. But that is purely my opinion.

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25 Aug 2015 13:04:37
Sorry you are right Magdalen I was thinking CEO of untied when I wrote that!

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25 Aug 2015 13:16:09
"In my opinion the owners will be long gone by the end of the decade and maybe they feel splurging on players isn't beneficial in their future business strategy. "

Yet we have spent close to a quarter of a billion over the past 2 seasons alone. Yeah but 20 more would have been way too much.
I think it has been clear for a while now that Glazers have a strategy in place of moving out somewhere around 2017.

Although, I get the overall gist of what you wish to say in the post JMB. Its an organisational decision. Not Woodwards alone.
You obviously understand the way a business works. Ed Woodward is the CEO of one of the world's most profitable football club. He is the face so to speak when it comes to business dealings. So its quite natural for everyone to put the blame at his doorstep.

Its a business at the end of the day and its a business decision. there's nothing in the Pedro fiasco that would "infuriate" Woodward. If it were, he would have paid the amount out of his own bloody pocket.
What i think has gone wrong is that we are giving much more importance to the marketability of a player than the football ability. Look at Di Maria, Falcao etc. when there were better options available (football ability wise).
So, at the end of the day, even when we know that its not Ed's fault, he will face the brunt of it as he is the face.

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25 Aug 2015 13:35:44
Shan I think Danny touched on the fact that we may have spent huge sums last season as a result of missing out on the CL and finishing 7th the previous year. Even the Mata deal had shades of panic about it.

In my opinion I do believe Ed should be held accountable for his actions but at the end of the day of you tighten the noose around his neck without opening your own eyes to the others who have power in the club but failing to deliver you are naive.

Betty you make a valid point. I have no idea who the Glazers are getting advice from but I have no doubt Fergie didn't just graciously leave the OT board room without an honorary seat for life.

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25 Aug 2015 16:28:01
Maze, no one is doubting Woodward's ability to conclude commercial deals. However, he has zero experience at dealing and concluding player transfers, be it incoming or outgoing.
I think this is the point people are making, it is one thing being a successful businessman but another dealing with the likes of agents and clubs for the services of top players.
Gill had the right balance when it comes to dealings. Woodward has non of that and is basically trying to conclude deals as if he's still at PWC. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that in the football world. PWC might be able to bully businesses into making deals but Woodward cannot bully anyone into making any deal, he needs to be more discrete and clever in his dealings.

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25 Aug 2015 16:43:54
Betty , I suspect you're right about Fergie and I don't see him having that kind of influence as a good thing

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25 Aug 2015 12:03:30
I don't really understand the DDG situation now.


I don't see how we can keep a player after leaving him out of the first 5 games of the season because he was not mentally ready.


Knowing this why would Madrid offer a better price than what they already have?


Don't understand if we are winning this transfer or losing.

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25 Aug 2015 12:21:42
We have went from being the strongest (alongside Chelsea) in the GK department to a free transfer who couldn't cut it with Sampdoria in Serie A.

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25 Aug 2015 12:42:03
Simple. We're not selling him and he's going to sit in the stands for 10 months

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25 Aug 2015 12:52:16
Winning as we are not bending over for the circus.

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25 Aug 2015 16:31:41
So we're winning? We'll keep him on the bench for 12 months, pay him £100k a week, then allow him to go for nothing. So we will send £5.2m on his salary and give him away.
If we take the £20m Real are offering and save the £5.2m we would have paid him, we would be over £25m better off. So how can we be winning?

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25 Aug 2015 17:24:51
Have they offered 20? I thought they'd offered significantly less than that hence our stance hardening.

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25 Aug 2015 11:40:10
Anyone got any ideas how you collect winnings from bets made at the match bar collecting it next time you go? Last year was bwin and I had a bwin account so I could just collect it from that, just noticed that this slip is marathon bet, don't know whether that's because it was a champions league game or whether that's just our new betting partner and I hadn't noticed.

Is there any way around it without setting up an account with them?

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25 Aug 2015 12:13:26
Marathon bet are the new matchday betting partner, I imagine you will need to open an account with them in order to collect your winnings. I guess if you have won then it will be well worth it. Does it not say on the back of the slip how to collect?

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25 Aug 2015 12:20:21
Yeah just gone through with it all GDS, was on the back I was just a little reluctant to open up another betting account that's all, set it all up now, like you said, it's worth it. Just as long as I withdraw straight away.

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25 Aug 2015 14:00:43
Anon,

Well I think that is where they will get a lot of people, the money goes into your account and you think 'ah let's have a bet' lol.

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25 Aug 2015 14:09:31
Yeah, luckily I'm skint and I need it haha.

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25 Aug 2015 11:12:45
One thing I like after the Pedro move is that the media is out of news regarding Man United :) Which is good if we're planning to sign someone. The Neymar stories are like a cherry on top of a shit.

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25 Aug 2015 11:31:25
The Neymar story is not completely fabricated to be fair, it is never going to happen but there are half truths to be found in that story.

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25 Aug 2015 12:04:11
The half truth being that neymar wants a better deal.

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25 Aug 2015 12:06:38
Love the analysis of the Neymar story. Cheers for that it made me laugh!

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25 Aug 2015 12:07:37
I don't see one truth in that story. As all comes out because someone's agent is at a stadium. First and last Barca can't play new players till January, so anybody can tell you that Barca can't even consider selling him, a part from that I'm sure Neymar wouldn't want to go either, so I really can't see who would imagine Neymar being offloaded. Next thing you'll see is we bid £500m for Messi.

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25 Aug 2015 13:04:27
No its true. Neymar was all but signed. £158.6 million fee agreed. £456,000 a week wages (after tax) agreed. £18.5 million agents fees agreed.

But The player decided against the move after hearing how badly LvG had treated Victor Valdes.

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25 Aug 2015 13:33:26
Betty
You have no clue as usual
Its because of lvg's extreme training methods

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25 Aug 2015 14:23:48
imightbe, bit harsh mate. No clue as usual?

Truth is , we would never sign him because we are sponsored by Adidas , and Neymar the Nike poster boy.

Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it!!

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25 Aug 2015 15:15:26
I can't imagine in a board meeting at Barca they said something along the lines of well if we won the treble last season we're obviously too good and need to sell one of our best players. You can tell he loves playing there and they have no reason to sell it's a non starter and i'm surprised its gone on for this long already.

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25 Aug 2015 15:31:50
It has absolutely nothing to do with the agent that was present at Old Trafford Ziko.

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25 Aug 2015 16:33:38
I'm not sure I'm in the PROCESS of sharing your PHILOSOPHY on this topic!!

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25 Aug 2015 10:18:39
Well here we are the last week. 1 week until the eds can relax a little and the hysteria that surrounds the window subsides.

We needed a midfield, we have one. We needed a right back, we have one. Teams were walking through us last season we now look composed and comfortable at the back. Problem solved.

We lack pace on the right, we lack a top striker. If we sign these positions great if we don't hopefully the youth lads get a go. the midfield and defence looks strong enough to take a risk on some of the youth lads, something we couldn't say last year.

I just hope we don't panic and spend a fortune on a player we don't need like last year.

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25 Aug 2015 11:13:41
Rewz ,I take your point but we spent a fortune on a player we did need last season. It just turned out that he couldn't hack it in the EPL and wanted to be elsewhere.
Right intentions , wrong player.

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25 Aug 2015 11:20:50
Rewz what's your thoughts on Dominic Berardi? He could be someone to fit in at right wing.

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25 Aug 2015 12:17:03
I honestly think all we need is a right sided forward and to move mate into the middle i think rooney will score goals with mata's little through balls and mata would also run in behind rooney as well we just need a decent signing for that right hand side it really is a shame adm didn't work out otherwise i think we would be looking good if lvg is going to sign anybody then he should at least move mata central and play young on the right

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25 Aug 2015 12:02:52
Reus alone would honestly imo be enough. Can play rf and striker with tons of pace and goals in him. Unfortunately it's unlikely

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25 Aug 2015 13:07:27
MAZE,

You know what Rewz thinks about Dom Berardi? He's a top young player who could do a job either as striker or on the wing? It's a player I rate highly as well and yes we've both brought his name up on numerous occasions!

LVG SIGN HIM UP!

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25 Aug 2015 15:34:13
Berardi picked up a bad injury at the weekend, I thought that his biggest fans on here would have known that.

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25 Aug 2015 16:53:03
Timing would been great as his ownership has been sorted, the thigh strain will keep him out for a month so no chance of passing a medical plus I have never heard from any source we have been interested unfortunately. The only other names got the right I can think of are Felipe Anderson and Anwar El Ghazi, although both are talented they are by no means proven over multiple seasons. The Ajax lad is oddly enough probably the more consistent of the two. Either way a pretty big risk

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25 Aug 2015 10:06:29
hi eds or someone I remember seeing a link which would help with betting tips. can't find it can some one help me with it?

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{Ed001's Note - there's: http://www.footballrumoursbets.co.uk if that is what you mean?}

25 Aug 2015 06:28:58
And we move into the last week. Here's hoping to a cheerful end to the window.

Cheers.

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25 Aug 2015 07:53:53
Lets hope so. I have thought all along that once we (hopefully) qualify for the CL this week something big will happen.

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25 Aug 2015 09:36:13
I just want it all to be over, the whole thing is just a load of nonsense and people believing it. £240million for Neymar today, sounds realistic.

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25 Aug 2015 09:38:00
Ed Woodward : “Don’t worry, we have bigger targets - the Pedro thing will eventually be forgotten."

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25 Aug 2015 10:30:59
It's August 25th and Ed is talking to the press about this fantasy transfer of Neymar, hope he seriously has something planned that doesn't result in us signing a new commercial deal or a new contract for a high profile player.

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25 Aug 2015 10:51:05
bgolgo that quote comes from an article in the Daily Fail where they claim that this is the 'thrust' of what Woodward supposedly said the morning after Pedro signed for Chelsea. Even if he did say it, this is the same man who flew back from Asia on urgent transfer business that eventually turned out to be signing Fellaini on the last hour of the transfer window for a fee higher than his original buy-out clause.

Every reputable source is certain that we will not sign any of the big names we are linked to, and that the only realistic options are Mane (if we over pay), Berahino (if we over pay), and some 17 year old Norwegian.

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25 Aug 2015 11:14:20
Danny,

What is it with you bringing up things from 2 years ago to try and prove a point, you know this terrible Ed Woodward has also sealed deals for a lot of players since the Fellaini disaster, he admitted himself he made a lot of mistakes that summer and was learning from them, so bringing it up 2 years later to try and prove a point doesn't really work.

Shame, because a lot of what you are saying is true, it just feels like you are trying to lecture us and you sound so angry about life and everything United related it is hard to get on board with someone who refuses to see a balanced point of view and gives everything a negative twist.

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25 Aug 2015 11:29:15
GDS2 I think Danny is just trying to make sense of it all and on the whole I agree with his post. He isn't swinging anything in a negative way, he is just saying it as he is seeing it.

Everyone on here is quick to slam and to shame the tabloids when they report something they dislike but then when the tabloids have a 'sources close to United' quote that they like then they are happy to go along with it.

In my opinion I would be inclined to say this, I don't think any of these mishaps or (maybe mishaps) are happening from Woodward's side of things. EW knows the fans will he pi$$3d with him if he doesn't deliver on the transfers and on his back again. I believe he is doing his uptmost but is being thwarted from the men upstairs who I believe will be gone from Old Trafford long before the end of this decade.

Just my two cents of course.

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25 Aug 2015 11:51:18
Your problem GDS is you start from the assumption that you occupy a "balanced" position. This is simply another way of assuming a position in which your views are the right views to have. The reality is that there is no position of balance: there are just different arguments about the club, and instead of engaging in these arguments you trot out things like 'you sound so angry about life', as if (a) you have anything to base this on (as if being annoyed about United's transfer dealings is the be all and end all of my life), and (b) as if it has any relevance for the arguments that I am making.

Of course Woodward's actions two years ago have some relevance because they show evidence of his propensity to put the cart before the horse and that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Isn't the Fellaini debacle the exact same issue with the Pedro transfer? Haggling over a release clause and it coming back to bite us in the bum.

Before making the usual, why so negative claims, answer the following questions:

Do you think we have addressed the main issues in our squad so far in the transfer window?

Do you think our transfer strategy has been a success considering the goal was to have finished our business before the US tour?

Do you think have a genuine chance of winning the league this season with our current squad?

If not, do you think that we will bring in players of sufficient quality in the next week to enable us to challenge for the title?


A sizable proportion of our supporters would answer no to all of these questions, and they are rightly annoyed that, despite record sponsorship deals, huge profits and promises of world class players, our club still seems to be incapable of bringing in the players necessary for us to get back to challenging for the biggest trophies. Being annoyed that your club isn't doing everything in its power to win isn't being spoiled or negative, wanting the best for your club is what a supporter should do.

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25 Aug 2015 12:18:01
JMB,

I know and I am desperately not trying to get into a big argument with Danny because I can see the basis of where his posts are coming from and like I say, most of the things are true. It is not necessarily a negative twist, maybe that is worded badly, more that there is a distinct lack of anything positive and there are certainly a lot of positives so far this season that seem to be being ignored.

I just can't wait until this is all over because the window brings out the worst in people, once it's done whoever we sign at least we can all just agree to support whoever is wearing the shirt and get behind the lads.

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25 Aug 2015 12:24:46
Maze i don't think that is true we have the money and we are willing to spend it but you have to look at the players we want and the teams they play for if you say offer stoke or everton 35m for a player then generally those sort of clubs will accept because they cannot afford not too but if we offer say 50/60m to munich for muller they can afford to say no as they are a rich club who will make that money by keeping him and winning things barring a handful of players all the top players already play for these sort of clubs so in my opinion we should be looking at players like griezman or reus who should be easier to pry away as they don't play for one of the top clubs yet.

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25 Aug 2015 12:45:12
Shame you posted that before my post came up, I said I agree with a lot of what you write but you are unwilling to see any positives. Like I said I don't want an argument, this is a banter site why does everything have to be an argument and trying to cause problems? I have not once said my opinion is correct, just that I can see both sides.

To answer:

1. We needed a right back, addressed, we needed to strengthen midfield, addressed. We have not addressed the striker but we have a week left to do so.

2. I think we did well before the US tour, brought in some cracking players who have all hit the ground running, pretty sure the club were happy with that business as were most of us, we obviously just struggled to get the attacking player we needed, can't kidnap people if they don't want to come and I would prefer us to wait than buy someone who doesn't want to be here.

3. I think City have a stronger squad than us as do Chelsea, but yes, I think we have a genuine chance, we look very solid defensively and we have a lot of quality going forward, we are just lacking a couple of players to really give us a huge chance but we aren't far off.

4. I have no idea, but I am willing to wait until the end of the transfer window before slagging off the club or people who make decisions and see what the squad looks like. It wouldn't surprise me if we brought in a striker, it also wouldn't surprise me if we didn't.

We are certainly stronger than last year, and last year we performed well against the top teams, do that again this year hopefully we will be in a better position to capitalise. If you don't think your posts over the last week have been negative to the extreme then there isn't much hope that this discussion will go any other way than you shouting my opinion down again.

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25 Aug 2015 13:46:58
You see now we can actually have a discussion on where we think the club is.

1. I agree that we have made some good signings and have improved a few areas of the team. However, you're ignoring two key positions CB and RW.

At the start of the summer it was obvious that we were looking for a CB. We enquired about Hummels, Ramos, and were in negotiations for Otamendi. We all seem to accept that Blind is now our first choice CB and that this was the plan all along. The reality is that we would have signed Otamendi if Valencia lowered their price.

As for RW. This is the position that LVG publicly stated we were looking at after we sold Di Maria. We also know that we were in negotiations for Pedro, but refused to meet his buy-out clause.

That's two more key positions that the club have failed to secure (three if we sell our three keepers who are banned from the first team) in addition to a striker.

2. Following on from the point above, we have four potential positions that the club would prefer to have filled prior to the close of the window. We can't kidnap players, but the issue in the two negotiations we know we failed in (Otamendi and Pedro) the deciding factor was money not a club's reluctance to sell or the player's reluctance to sign.

3. Do you think we have closed the gap on City and Chelsea this season? Not just in one off games, but in terms of a squad capable of winning week in week out. I don't see it. And these clubs are still looking to bring in new players too.

4. Again bringing in one striker (the only plausible name is Berahino and he won't come cheap either) isn't the final piece to the puzzle. It's obvious that our lack of pace and width on the right is a problem, we are relying on the completely untested Johnstone as reserve keeper, and we are currently one injury to Smalling (an injury prone player) away from a McNair Blind defensive partnership. It's a squad game and our squad is wafer thin in a few important areas, and this won't change over the next week.

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25 Aug 2015 15:11:47
See, it doesn't have to be an argument, I agree with most of what you say, I think we are in a slightly better position than you think we are though and I also am not desperate that we MUST win the league this season, obviously that is what we all want, but I would rather we don't sign somebody who isn't worth it this summer and improve again massively next summer if players are available.

I do understand the apparent need for success, it is what our club is built on and it is all a lot of the younger fans especially are used to (this is fact, not suggesting people are spoilt or anything like that), but I would take the club being built and success in a couple of years, for me it doesn't have to be this year. It would be hard to integrate 8/9 new players into a team anyway.

I do think we have closed the gap on Chelsea and City yes;

Chelsea haven't really improved massively, signing a player who wasn't good enough for us and an unknown left back and Pedro the only players who will go into the first team.

City have overpaid for Sterling who I don't think is good enough for their first team at the moment, Fabien Delph who will be a bit part player and Otamendi who I'm not sure they need but will improve their squad.

I think Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Depay who have gone straight into our 1st team are better signings and that we have closed the gap, whether its sufficiently enough and who else we may get in we will find out soon enough.

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25 Aug 2015 16:41:28
Danny. Your post has hit the nail on the head.
GDS, do you honestly think we have closed the gap on City? You are kidding, right? Have you seen City playing and the depth of squad they have. You think they've overpaid for Sterling? Wait two years and tell me that when Real come calling for him and are prepared to pay £80m for him.
We will not challenge or win the league with this squad and anyone of the view that we will, is going to be seriously disappointed.

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25 Aug 2015 17:09:25
Schmid,

All of that is your opinion, my OPINION is that Sterling isn't that good at the minute, he isn't helping to improve City at this moment in time, his lack of end product really hurts him, if that improves he will be a top player but at the moment for me he is not worth 50 million and may not improve to that level, we don't know.

City have won 3 games and everybody is talking about how amazingly wonderfully brilliant they are, would be interested in how many picked them in AJH's competition to win the league if they are so good or whether people are judging them on 3 games.

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25 Aug 2015 03:31:31
utd supporter all my life if we bid what the rags are saying for neymar il burn.my utd shirt we have sold our soul

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25 Aug 2015 06:20:19
I think Neymar is doing what Ramos did and using us to get an improvement in contract terms however it isn't our money and for me I support the team not our bank balance so recommend keeping your shirt. After all burning it seems like a bit of a Scouse thing to do when your captain angles for a transfer to a London club.

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25 Aug 2015 07:17:28
We have already sold our soul. Do not kid yourself. Who was the last major player United made?

We are not better than City, Chelsea and Madrid etc.

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25 Aug 2015 07:51:19
Maze you are so negatives bloody 99.9 percent of the time. You need a holiday buddy.

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25 Aug 2015 08:02:19
Haha burn your shirt because you've believed some nonsense in a newspaper, you even called it a 'rag' yourself. To do well these days you have to sell money, remember 5 years ago we had people wearing green and gold because the glazers wouldn't spend anything, now they are believing they will do the opposite and threatening to burn their shirt. Need to make your mind up, do you want a successful club?

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25 Aug 2015 08:18:53
Singh why am I negative now? For spouting the truth?

Shame on me!

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25 Aug 2015 08:20:12
Theres not too many home grown players at City, Chelsea or Madrid. That's football these days. The last manager of a top club to be given time was SAF. That won't happen again!!!

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25 Aug 2015 08:52:27
Spouting the truth? United have generated their own money, even when when we were in lots of debt, Chelsea and City have been bank rolled by a sugar daddy. For 3748 consecutive first team games dating back to 1937 there has been a youth product in the first team match day squad. Yes things have changed but that is the world of football today but we can still maintain a degree of morals and ethics. You certainly spout something on this site JMB but the truth is far from it.

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25 Aug 2015 09:26:35
In this particular case I agree with JMB. We all naturally have an arrogance with our team because we've been the best for so long partly because we had an exceptionally unique scenario where 5 or so players came through our youth team together and we were brave enough (because the expectation wasn't as high as it is now) to play them all and they all were brilliant. I do wonder if we had the same 5 players coming through the youth team now would they make it? I personally doubt it. Risk would be too high.

Football has changed and to be in with a shout of winning it you have to be spending similar amounts as the other top spenders. How they got their money and how we got out money is irrelevant to me as it should be to you, I'm not going to start going to business meetings and cheering on Ed Woodward while he gives presentations.

Only change I would make to JMB's post is to add Barca to those list of teams that 'sold their soul'. They are coming to the end of their own 'class of 92' with Xavi moving on and Iniesta getting older and they have learnt from our error by spending big before it's too late (Suarez, Neymar, Rakitic and not long from now I'd bet Pogba) rather than trying to keep up with budget signings like Valencia and Owen. Football HAS changed and if you want to play with the big boys you have to 'sell your soul'.

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25 Aug 2015 09:43:52
Bryan robson . Keane ferdinand rvn rvp pallister veron di maria rooney to name a few . We have always spent top money on top players. We are doing what we have always done but now we have more competition and the prices have turned to telephone numbers but our strategy has always been to buy the best available when needed. So what has changed in that regard? You maze / jmb / rollo have sold your sole by reincarnating yourself into several posters. Pretty sad individual really

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25 Aug 2015 11:18:56
I know I usually like to disagree with JMB :) , but he is right. We are no different now than Chelsea or City in terms of throwing money around.
The only difference , albeit a significant one , is that we are spending our own money. Not money injected by a rich individual.
The time that we could take the moral high ground has long gone.

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25 Aug 2015 11:19:47
Tried the Ramos/ Neymar trick at work. Boss Man Utd are interested in me, think you'll have to give me a substantial pay rise. Just on my way to the job centre.

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25 Aug 2015 11:30:07
So what you are saying ken is you agree with my post?

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25 Aug 2015 12:19:21
Betty,

We have to spend money though, I don't really understand the people that say we are throwing money around like it is a bad thing, if we didn't spend money we would be nowhere near the top 4 this season, it is how football has gone now, fortunately United have got ourselves into a position to spend it.

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25 Aug 2015 15:44:38
GDS, Yeah I take your point. I perhaps didn't explain mine very well. My issue is not necessarily spending the money , but more the fact we have to resort to offering ridiculous fees and wages just to attract top players , or making "statement" signings just to show that we can compete.
Sensible investment 5,6,7 years ago would have negated the need to adopt our current policy of paying over the odds for players.
But hey , that's history now.

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25 Aug 2015 16:10:47
betty,

Agree 100%, we are paying for poor investment a few years ago but like you say, sod all we can do about that now.

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