Manchester United Banter Archive January 25 2013

25 Jan 2013 23:11:42
in the last 7 days we 've heard the names fischer wanyama zouma zaha. what about vadillo from betis left winger has he reovered from his long term injury and is he still an option.
vadillo and zaha too long term prospects on the wing
zouma and keane two good young prospects at the back.
wanyama a bit of steel
fischer and henriquez two long term prospects up front
set for years to come transfers i'd be happy with
cjwales82

What about will keanes, James Wilson up front? Adnan Januzaj and mats daehli on the wings tunnicliffe for some steel Powell and Andreas Pereria for the creativity?

Caolán.

Good post Caolain. Always good to see fans being passionate about seeing the next generation being given a chance .... I'm sure we have a few gold nuggets in the youth but we'll never know if they never get a chance.
PerthDave

Vadillo is top class, I'd take him here in a heart beat. And realistically, I don't see Tunnicliffe making it here, he'll get a few games like Brady did but he won't quite cut it.

And Caolan, do you think its likely that they'll all come good? When does that ever happen?


Fresh!

25 Jan 2013 20:42:14
I heard from a reliable source within a TV station that's, that David Beckham will make a very welcome return to grace our pitch tomorrow. Not sure in what capacity.

25 Jan 2013 20:23:48
Ok, I know this won't make me popular, and I am loathe to revisit old stories, and whilst KLOOT may be somewhat over dramatic....

...the acceptance by some of you of the debt the Glazers piled on our club is shocking. Yes, yes, I know our commercial deals have improved but our club was mortgaged so the Americans could buy it. I realise the debt is reducing..using money that could have been used to reduce ticket prices or buy new players. I don't have a better model, and I know we have to be careful what we wish for...but I can't accept that incurring huge debt interest payments was good for our club. I'm nearer to KLOOT than most of you on this one it appears.

Let's move on, some of us have dealt with it, some of us haven't.

AJH

AJH

No one is happy about the glazers loading debt on the club to insinuate otherwise is downright insulting to even a Neanderthals intelligence. What we are saying is that they haven't other than that, which ok is a big cross against them is they haven't been bad owners.

Our marketing has sky rocketed, we have still made a number of big purchases, FFS we spent 60 million last year, and bought RVP and katana this year, and what's more unlike some owners they don't stick their nose into team affairs.

AJH,

No one has justified the Glazers ownership and supported their reign, all fans on here have expressed their disappointment of the way we have been thrown into debt, however what the majority of fans have done is except the position we are in and support the team.

I have my Gold and Green scarf, I supported the Red Knights but end of the day, the Glazers are not going any where. Fact is, the debt is coming down, we are still competing and in 2, 3, 4, 5, 10 years when the debt is gone we will be in a strong position. But until then, I will pay my fees, I will travel up and down the country and across Europe to support United because I am fortunate that I am able to this but this does not make me any better then any other fan who watches on TV, listens on the radio, streams it on the Internet, in fact, the length some people go to to follow United who can't go to games and the passion they have for the club, you could argue they are bigger United fans then myself so KLOOT shows a lack of class, maturity, dignity to use the geographical argument about supporting a club and this is why people take offence.

Point of note, my Dad's family are from Ashton Under-Lyne but I was born and bred down south but I own a season ticket, I've been to Galatasaray, Braga, Cluj this year, I was in Barcelona, Moscow, Rome. I count my blessings I am lucky I can do this but I will always take people's views and opinions on Manchester United and I may not always agree but football is about opinions and as long as people share their views with passion and love for Manchester United FC, we will always have something in common. Manchester United is a multi cultural football club and without the support of everyone up and down the country, across Europe, Asia, Africa, America, KLOOT wouldn't be able to have the experiences we have all had, the joys, the heartaches, maybe he should appreciate what we have at United and if he is so anti-glazer there's a small club down the road called FC United to follow and if that's not good enough then a bit further down the road an even smaller club called City who can't sell out on match days so I am sure they would welcome KLOOT's support.

Big Brother Time!!

Ports {Ed007's Note - My father and his family stayed in Ashton Under-Lyne for a while after they left Cork, I still have an aunt down there.}

AJH let's not be silly, few of us like the fact that the Glazers deeply affected the club with their debts, but to keep whining about it and mistreating other posters ( KLOOT ) does not make the debt go away. So we have to support the fact that manchester united is owned by the Glazers and they can do whatever they want.

Our hands are tied on this, and some might actually prefer to look at what the Glazers did well, because after all they are the owners of the club. Its bad from a fans' point of view, but that;s how things are.

Mick

Anybody who thinks the glazers are doing a good job and are not affecting our potential on the pitch do not have the best interests of utd at heart.
johndenton

As I said, KLOOT may be over dramatic and I wasn't trying to throw stones, I'd rather it never came up be honest. But to say that they have been good owners...other than the £500M they cost us is something of an oxymoron. I'm not defending KLOOT's stance as it can be somewhat immature and we do have to accept we are where we are. It's just it still pisses me off. Sorry...

AJH

Ed007, we may be related :) my dad's cousins are still there.

Just to piss KLOOT off even more, I was supporting Razor Ruddock in Celeb BB, ex Liverpool :)

Ports

To be honest AJH I think you sum the whole debate up perfectly with your last sentance:

"Let's move on, some of us have dealt with it, some of us haven't."

To me the divide on this site is purely, on the one side the majority who have dealt with it and moved on and would like to look towards a positive future...then Kloot and a few other's who can't move on or choose not to.

That really sums it up for me because after all not one of us is happy at leveraged nature of the buyout. So it's not fair to say that. It is each individual's choice whether to accept it and move on. But for those who can't move on, I'm not sure it will get you very far.

Gav

Forgot to ask one thing AJH - you say some fans "accept" the Glazer debt. That's an interesting turn of phrase. Can you please explain what exactly you do to 'reject' it? Do you stage protests or something? Truth is, we all hate the debt (obviously, who likes debt!) but the rest of us just get on with the positive stuff instead of worrying about an inevitibile negative, which thankfully is getting better each season.

Gav

Some people are optimistic, and some people aren't. Nobody wants the debt, not many people want the Glazers, but this is the situation we are in. Surely just supporting the club is more important then just criticizing the people who own it?

Hoppy

25 Jan 2013 19:06:57
Jono,
The manager doesn't make excuses he makes decisions. I don't think playing Jones in midfield will affect his development adversely as a centre back if that is indeed his long term position. I would like to see us sign a new midfielder moving forward which I'm sure is the plan but it has to be the right player. .By this I mean compatible with the squad and the Manchester United ethos. We shouldn't underestimate the importance of a strong collective mindset. In the past we've beaten teams with better personnel on paper both in games and in the league because the Manager is exceptionally skilled at getting a group of men to function as a unit. I think this is why we haven't moved on certain targets in the past when it seemed to us mere mortals to be an obvious choice. I think a new midfielder is imminent but it's not because the Manager has ran out of excuses!
Let's make sure we all drive safely this weekend guys.
Bren,

Regarding Jones I think fergie sees him as an O'Shea type utility player, not that that's bad as its a very important role... i'm not comparing him to O'Shea regarding his ability etc just think its the role he plays at the club...maybe i'm wrong... opinions welcome.

Rouge Diablo :)

Pesonally I think Jones will be a top combative CB in the long term, taking over from Vidic. But in order to give him game time now the manger will play him at RB or DM as we have many options ahead of him at CB. But 2 of those options are in the last stage of their career so he'll get more chances soon.

Good post, Bren, by the way.

Gav

Possibly. O'shea looked top class as a young cb
Bren,

25 Jan 2013 17:57:01
Gav

SAF clearly has faith in the old guard, far more so than giving youth a spot on the bench instead but whether he sees it or not Scholes has not performed once this season, Giggs has had a good 20 min showing v a crap Wigan team and played a cracking pass against west ham. Outwith that nothing of note. Ando has played more hames this season than most but due to his 289th injury lay off since he has been with us he has been un available for another 6 weeks. Jones is a CB that has fallen into the utility man tag that can help out in the middle to the detriment of how the team should work. We should be playing young players in their correct positions not hauling them around the pitch to give them a game here there and everywhere.

So of the 5 options we have for 2 positions 3 are not good enough. As I said without Clevs or Carrick our CM options are that thin that we could get hammered by teams like fulham, wait that has already happened.

SAF has used fletchs return, Scholes return, jones and Giggs covering as excuses for the last 4 windows soon to be 5. During that time we have spent 31m on wingers in young and Zaha 18m on a young keeper, 28m on premium English defenders yet thinks players like Vidal, Cabaye, Dembele, Martinez etc are not good enough in comparison to what we have. His words previously were cows in fields and won't pay unless they will improve the team. Sorry but all of the above would walk into our 11 never mind fill a 6th squad place mate.

That is the major issue. If we were to get 2 CMs I would be hoping for 2 major players that are first team players not squad youths or unproven players. We have enough of them coming through. So if that ends up the case Carrick and Clevs will be subject to bench places or squad rotation slots which is where they would be if we had a cm like most of the other elite teams.

And I think WS was always coming for the deep quarterback role taking over from Scholes. So IMO he would not have been effected by the Kags signing.

Jono

I think that we will move for Cabaye in summer to be honest. Sneijder wasn't godo value, and he obviously didn't feel comfortable with moving for players like Vidal (who was unproven before Juve) and ppaying silly money for Martinez. SAF likes players with finess so I think that might he why we let Dembele slip through the note as he is purely a power house..

Fresh!

Oh and the Zaha bit on my previous post was just me saying I don't understand it as we have got him to replace Nani so all we have done is replace a speedster with a trick and no end product with the same but 4 years younger, to me that makes no sense especially as with only 1 year left on Nani's contract we will be lucky to get 15m and break even and more so the signing of players like Kags should be the move to a Manchester variant of the Barca style but that won't include wingers as such, if you get what I mean.

Jono

25 Jan 2013 19:01:36
When Newcastle signed Cabaye how proven was he? Most people on here had probably never heard him.

Ditto with Vidal, people on here had only heard of him because of you and Shappy banging on about him every week.

Jono

The thing is, my opinion and your opinion is actually very similar with regards the quality of our CM options. I too think we need to strengthen and would like to see a Bender/Strootman type player brought in. But just because us 2 fans think we need to buy a CM'er doesn't mean the manager does.

It's all well and good us saying certain players aren't 'good enough' but the manager clearly believes they are good enough to contribute otherwise he would not have named them in his 25 man squad inthe first place.

I do think we'll see at least one good CM'er in the summer. I'd like to see us buy one top CM like L Bender to play alongside Carrick next season. With Cleverly, Anderson & Powell as the main backup options. Anything extra would be a nice bonus obviously.

In terms of January I'd love to see us add some quality but in terms of numbers I don't think it's necessary. And as I said I assume SAF has faith in those players (whether we do or not) which is why I'd be surprised to see us make a move.

I do agree that the manager has showed perhaps too much faith in the oldguard at times (Giggs, Scholes) and certain other's who have struggled to deliver. But at the end of the day that's MY opinion and not SAF's. I'm not surprised by his loyal approach though as we're not the type of club to chop and change without giving players a good chance.

Let's just hope we both get our wish in the summer (even though I suspect you'd like to see one in Jan) and we can put this whole CM saga behind us all, LOL.

Gav

I think Zaha can be adapted to an inside forward role, he's big, strong, had pace, has a trick. Yes he currently has no end product. Neither does nani as he's older. Neither did Ronaldo once. Ronaldo developed and Nani didn't.

Fresh

I bloody hope so haha.

No name

Cabaye was a French international who had just massively contributed to an unfancied club winning ligue 1 for the first time in ages. This was as moch as he could do in the team he was in surely?

Vidal was considered by Bayern as their first choice signing the window before he moved to Juve and the only thing that stopped that was Leverkusens want for him to move out of the league. So for a combined fee of under 20m those two together could mix it with the best when they moved never mind now.

Plus is it not our scouts jobs to find these players if we can just using the Internet and tv?

Gav

I agree our opinions are similar but with it fact we have went in for CMers like the Dembele bid and WS move that shows SAF does think we need players there but as has been mentioned before he doesn't handle rejection well and with the press and fans alike hounding the net and media with our weak midfield he seems to me as having closed ranks and almost said what we have is what we need.

There has been need for a cm shuffle since he trusted Barca 09 but since we have seen the same personnel rotate into different slots in the team with no injection of anything new other than a rotation of a defender or forward playing there instead.

How bad it has reached is that we are making excuses for Rooney to drop back or Jones to play forward as the CMers need new ideas.

So my question to SAF would clearly be why not spend 30m on 2 CMer that can replace our CM and we can let the older and constantly injured players leave instead of taking up places for young talent and adequate players.

I think with his age he has become too loyal. We seen years ago the ruthletvess of releasing player in their prime if one foot was out of place yet with the Rooney saga, Andos constant off field shenanigans, Giggs too he keeps them in pride and place even though Giggs is past the decline, Ando has managed around 10-15 games a season for the last three years and Rooney is questionably easily replaced at half the cost.

Is he leaving the majority of change to the new man or is his plans to stay for 2-3 more years? Either way mate I hope to high heaven we sign a minimum 1 top CMer this summer but I'm very worried of 1 injury to Carrick could derail our title bid massively and that's a sentence I never thought I would say haha.

Jono

Vidal was unproven before Juve ! How much football do you watch ? He was an excellent player in Germany before he moved.

Please pay more attention.

Pip

Jono

I'm actually quite excited by the Zaha transfer - I like it when we buy top british talent - but I do share the same worry as you that he will be the only winger coming in, with Nani leaving. Other's believe another winger will come in too but I'm not convinced. So that does worry me slightly that unless Valencia and Young hit top form next season or Zaha takes like a duck to water we could be lacking slightly out wide. But then, in the end, my faith in the manager takes over and I remember all the times we've 'won against the odds' so I remain confident that somehow Fergie will make it work!

Gav

Jono

Again I agree with most of your points, can't really remember what we initially disagreed about now, lol! I've been enjoying my Friday night too much :) I do believe that SAF has been more loyal in his old age and that may have had some level of impact on the quality our current CM squad. I'm less of the opinion that we need to strengthen in Jan given the numbers we have, but we both agree that at least one top CM'er is required in the sumer and that in all honesty we should have bought one before now.

Gav

Jono, you said something along the lines of, 'if our scouts can't see it, how come we can see it on the tv or internet'. I know that's not word for word, but it was the general gist of it.

All I would say, is that we can all watch tv, and use the internet to see these players, but to play for Utd, you also have to have the right attitude and mentality.

This is something you can't glean from the tv, but involves talking to the player's family, friends, coaches, managers, and the guy himself.

Some of the names thrown about on this site may be the dogs b*****ks on the pitch, but there may be perfectly good reasons why our scouts have deemed them 'not suitable'.

The scouts and our manager are going to be privy to a lot more information on the player than we ever will, and as a result of that info, some transfer targets may fall by the wayside, while we scratch our heads and wonder why Fergie doesn't just buy him.

StevieK

25 Jan 2013 17:45:16
Apparently we have signed Zaha...and Henriquez scored...

AJH

Just been trawling a Crystal Palace forum with only good things to say about Zaha. Gutted he's leaving but new it was inevitable.
Boy do they hate the fact he's going to united though.

'Wish Wilf all the best, hopefully will end up at Barcelona within a couple of seasons.

Personally I will still hope Moan you will lose every single game they play, eventually end up in administration and see them plummet down the leagues. If Zaha stepped up to take a 92nd minute penalty in the final of the Champions League to win the game I would still hope he missed it.

Made me chuckle!

Pablo

Apparently Guardiola is going to Bayern aswell

JKM

25 Jan 2013 17:05:14
Really excited about the signing of Zaha, gives us a really good base of home grown talent. I would love to see an all English midfield and forward line play at some point in the next few seasons maybe:

-----------Rooney----------
Young------Powell------Zaha
----Cleverley---Carrick------

And then there's Welbeck, Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Tunnicliffe, Lingard etc.

With all the foreign players joining our league it's great to see the top club keeping some national identity and that can only be good for our future Euro and World cup campaigns.

That's the way zaha, zaha I like it!

Kai

It's good to know that even with the money of clubs like Chelsea and City we are still one of the biggest attractions for young british players. The signings of Smalling, Jones, Powell and Zaha show that these sort of players still value our club as a good place to develop into a top player. Perhaps they would have worries over playing time and/or instability at other clubs.

We should use this advantage over City/Chelsea to the max over the next few years IMO, to make up for some of the big money signings they will inevitably make that we will struggle to match £ for £ (depending on the influence or lack therof of FFPR).

Gav

I don't think any team in the country would have a stronger all English line up than what we can put out:

__________Amos
Keane__Jones__Smalling__Blackett
______Carrick__Cleverly
__Zaha____Rooney____Young
__________Welbeck

Bench: Johnstone, Tunnicliffe, Lingard, W. Keane, Powell, Wooton & Scholes

Fresh!

Fresh!

That's a strong lineup, Fresh! We could have a young lineup (under 23/24) of:

___________DDG__________
Rafael__Jones_Smalling__Fabio
_____Cleverly_Petrucci____
Zaha_____Powell____Welbeck
________Hernandez_______

Subs (from): Johnstone/Santiago, Keane, Vermijl, Blackett, Tunnercliffe, Lingard, Henriquez, Keane and a few others.

Add to that our current experienced players and a few quality signings and I'm liking the look of our squad!

Gav

25 Jan 2013 15:28:14
Not a transfer rumor but I thought it was interesting a large unnamed investor has bought 30,000 MANU shares on the NYSE which is currently at over $17 it only floated at $12 (ish)
If anyone wants a read :
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/01/22/why-manchester-united-shares-jumped.aspx

I'm guessing it was Sydney spending all his winnings...

AJH

Not really a huge amount considering the market cap.

Aamir

25 Jan 2013 15:40:49
2 of the 3 games are the Copa Del Rey semi final and I can't see either resting many 1st teamers. Where Real are in the league at the minute, if Barca beat them in the league and knock them out of the semi final and we knock them out of the CL their season is over. They will then have huge criticism heading their way from every angle and the in fighting will be even bigger than it already has been. They could be managerless and may have a huge fight to even qualify for next years CL. There is too much resting on these games for Real to take chances in my eyes. Barca will also want to inflict as much pain as possible on Real and losing any game to them won't be an option. I think it will be a hugely difficult 5 weeks for Real and hopefully it will culminate with Van Persie getting the winning goal in front of the Stretford End.

Brendan

25 Jan 2013 13:35:12
i have been a reader of this site for the lat 10 months have posted in various names.haha... but I have always loved reading through what every one has to offer. I used to follow tha la liga a lot... and De gea was a favourite. I have been stunned by the way he is being witch hunted by the media and some of us here. just one question? doesn't joe hart make mistakes? why is it taken as just a small mistake happening due to pressure of playing for the defending champions? with the poros defence we had. how can we just looking at all others around us with dreamy eyes.

David De Gea is doing a pretty good job for a 22yr lad. his performances have improved and will only get better. Why not get behind the lad for once? let him feel loved? Why do you think RVP loves it at old trafford? coz he feels the adulation, adoration. The same would affect him and improve DDG. the courage would come, the strength would develop. Just get behind him
Alan!

I heard a good point on the radio the other day - how many of the top current keepers actually don't make mistake? None of them, it seems. Like you say Hart has made quite a few this season but it's just seen as a 'bad day at the office' for him. Some say there is more flappiness/mistakes because of new lighter, faster balls - which may well be true. So considering all of that as well as DDG's age, lack of experience, move from another country...I do think we are too harsh on him as fans and we over analyse any mistakes he makes.

Gav

DDG will still be the best keeper in the world

Pardoe

25 Jan 2013 12:32:37
now the deal is done for zaha does anyone think that'll be it now even though our midfield and defence is crying out for someone new? what do you guys think? cheers, Scott....

Unless someone moves for a target (possibly Strootman) I expect we will wait til the summer.

Sydney!

That's it IMO. I don't think we need any defender's right now and although I feel a CM would improve us I think the manager intends to go with Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Jones, Giggs and Scholes before investing in the summer.

Gav

I feel like that's it for the january window but I expect an interesting summer with pretty good signings.

I think that is it for us till the summer. I find it bizarre we bought a winger that is not going to join till next year. Personally I would have paid a premium for a cm as it will not be any cheaper come this summer given the following:

1.AC Milan will have funds to buy
2.Juve with their scudeto and cl run will have money to buy
3.Chelsea and City have endless budgets
4.Arsenal supposedly will have a 50 mill transfer budget
5.The russian clubs will be back at it
6.Barca and real will definitely be buying
7.Bayern will be buying

We are 5 points clear but that is nothing if you ask me and I hope we have enough in the tank to get to the finish line. If that happens I believe most fans will be happy however if we fail to win the league and come up short due to our midfield, the manager has some explaining to do. For the size of our club and the money spend over the last few years, he can not come up with any excuses.

Shahram

Our midfield option are not bad, we do want that quality midfielder, but we d have good midfield options. Kagawa & Rooney for the hole, both can also drop deeper. Cleverley, Anderson, Powell, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs & Jones will scrap it out for the deeper roles.

Sydney!

Maybe the CM(s) that SAF wants simply aren't available right now?

Are we not VERY LIKELY to get Lewandowski too? I think we'll go for a midfielder too. Linked with some interesting young defenders too, this Zouma boy looks very interesting... It'll be great to win the league and then strengthen convincingly in the summer. I think Zaha is going to be great for us too.
As giants14 posted a couple of days ago, it's important we capatilize on the next 8 fixtures before we then face city at home, in order for some momentum to gather for at least a couple of seasons.. Exciting times....

Patzi

25 Jan 2013 11:22:36
Look at the names of those who have come out to attack me. Same old Glazer excuse merchants. one of them even wants me to be greatful we have spent 10 million on an unproven forward when we are crying out for a world class midfielder. Another criticises me for going to OT and supporting the team whatever my thoughts about the owners. I wonder how many of those who are having a go at me have ever even been to Manchester never mind OT they just wear their replica shirts down the pub. I AM KLOOT

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And there you are again with the Manchester thing, nothing like using the same tired old argument. What if zaha turns out to be amazing, will you accept then that it was a good signing? You moan we don't spend money then you moan when we do. I bet you moan at your wife for making your tea because it didn't have the correct amount of peas. (This was going to be ruder but didn't think it would make it past the eds).

I go to every game and I am a season ticket holder from the Manchester area, is that ok for you? Or am I only going to all the game to line the glazers pockets but you are going for the love of the club?

'Glazer excuse merchants' is a good one, a new one for you actually, I am usually glazer defence squad, keep them coming they make me laugh.

By the way that season ticket you own means all your points and everything you stand for in your crusade against the glazers is void.

Kisses

GDS

Only the proper hardcore anti-Glazer United fans refuse to buy season tickets. Kloot is just a pretender ;)

Sydney!

I agree with everything about the Glazers.They take roughly 50 million a season out of the club.Now i'm not stupid enopugh to think if we had different owners all that would go on transfers, but surely we would have signed a couple of proven superstars.I also know that spending silly money doesn't mean they will be any good.ie TORRES...The only reason the glazer protests have fizzled out a little is because we have been successful.The only reason for that is Fergie & the fact that for me the other teams aren't that special.
Blackpool Red

One of the reasons we might not have spent big on a midfielder is that we have spent over £20 million on revamping carrington
Blackpool Red

There is little substance in KLOOT's negative posts IMO - it's just paraphrasing the same old statements which are so out of date, like many of his views.

Poster's reply to KLOOT's posts making very salient points and then when he knows he's beat he just flops out the old 'your not from Manchester' or 'you wear a replica top' routine.

I don't own a replica top KLOOT so can we be friends? I don't live in Manchester (for my sins!) but try to get to 2/3 games a season as my finances allow. I hope this does not offend you :/

Gav

Eds can we keep a lid on this stuff between KLOOT and some of the regulars. lately the "banter" here getting a bit too much like bullying. We are all here because we want to discuss something we love after all
Bren, {Ed007's Note - KLOOT is a big boy Bren, he can dish it out and he can take it back. Bullying is unacceptable and people have been banned for it before but I am sure IAK is touched by your concern.}

Blackpool Red, what do you mean by the Glazers taking out £50m from the club every year?

The revamp of Carrington cost £13m. We also agreed a deal with Toshiba for all of the medical equipment to be supplied by them. That would have relieved the total cost somewhat.

Sydney!

Blackpool red, surely if the club is successful and the debt is going down and the revenue is going up then it's not really a surprise it's died down is it.

Also, we tried getting them out and they went nowhere, they are here to stay. Read shappys post down the page about having to pay taxes to live in the country, I agree with everything he said.

The budget for transfers and the budget for improving facilities will be seperate. We spent 50 million in the summer and fergie obviously couldn't get the midfielder he wants. Missing out on dembele seems a strange one as he has been the best player on the pitch in the 3 games he's played against us this season. No idea why we didn't get him, but pretty sure it was nothing to do with the glazers as we have just spent the same amount of money in this financial year.

GDS

The revamp of carrington didn't cost 13 million.Did you see the plans & the cost before it was completed, well I did & know it was £20 million.If you actually think the Glazers are doing a good job then your deluded
Blackpool Red

Guys, its a box to box player we need and fotball is changeing, its not like the old days we are good enough to win the league with what we have, if someone here thinks we are not good enough so please eksplain me why are we on the top of the league and lost the league on goal difference last season and we where in the champions league final to with what we got and we have beaten city chelsea arsenal and even liverpool so why are we not good enough "because barca beat us in the final" barcelona can beat a lots of good teams.what happend to city in the group stage's with toure(cm) they did not even got trough the group stage's to play in europe league so stop living in the past saf is trying to make a new team so leave him alone(one day you are complaining that we need to let youger player get game time and when he use young player then you guys try to find another excuses that they are not good enough make your minds guys)if we are that bad and need another player why are we on the top of the league .if we where on 4th or 5th placed then I could understand we need a top cm but we are on 1th place and it is not luck, saf will by a cm in the summer so please in the mean time lets get beyond our team we have enough haters who hates us but still they get behind their team and what do we(some of our fans do)they talk rubbish about our own team, and you guys call ourselves for fans, show our players that we are behind them 120% and then watch how are players shows us some magic on the field, please stop our keep your negative toughest for ourselves, some of us love our team and we are behind our players 120% if you guys don't like it then go and support another team united for life zee;)sorry but life is to short to go and think negative toughest is not good for your health try to be positive and see how your life will be much better(im not trying to be disrespectful)but I like this site and love to read what other fans have to say but it is a lot of negative stuff around here witch makes me wonder are some of you really manchester united fans or are you just glory hunters(to much hate here sometimes)

Blackpool Red, the refurbishment cost £13m. The state of the art medical equipment that cost £12m and this has been supplied for free by Toshiba is the form of a five-year sponsorship deal. Like I said the Carrington build cost the club £13m.

Feel free to elaborate on your last sentence? Or to put it a different way, why are the Glazers doing a bad job in your opinion?

Sydney!

Blackpool,

Tell me how they aren't doing a good job? Yes it's horrible they bought the club how they did, but in the last few years they seem to have run the whole thing pretty smoothly to me. We still finish in the top 2 every year and have been to 2 euro cup finals in the last 3 years.

GDS

Bren I am touched but as the editor so rightly said this is a banter site and I am happy to dish it out and more than happy to take it. I AM KLOOT

Same goes for me :)

If we all agreed it would be boring!

GDS

25 Jan 2013 10:39:13
just reading that spurs have offered 3.5 mill for Diame. at that price it might be worth utd having a punt.
Andrew b

Doesn't he have a heart condition?

25 Jan 2013 09:54:42
Wilfried Zaha said: "I am delighted to be joining Manchester United and ending the recent speculation.
"I am delighted to be joining Man Utd. I would like to thank the owners at Palace for making the move possible."
"My focus for the next five months will be solely at Crystal Palace. I want to help get them get back to Premier League."
ZAHAAAAA!! Welcome to heaven :')
SK.

25 Jan 2013 09:30:13
I know that Real Madrid are favourites for the Champions League tie against us but I would much rather our fixture schedule in feb/early march than Madrids....

Madrid
30th Jan - Barcelona - Home
2nd Feb - Grenada - Away
9th Feb - Sevilla - Home
13th Feb - United - Home
17th Feb - Rayo Vallecano - Home
24th Feb - Deportivo - Away
27th Feb - Barcelona - Away
2nd Mar - Barcelona - Home
5th Mar - United - Away

United
30th Jan - Southampton - Home
2nd Feb - Fulham - Away
10th Feb - Everton - Home
13th Feb - Madrid - Away
16th Feb - possible FA Cup tie
23rd Feb - QPR - Away
2nd Mar - Norwich - Home
5th Mar - Madrid - Home


The 2 ties against Barcelona before our 2nd leg match could be huge in deciding the outcome of our tie. Lets hope they are 2 battles with a couple of injuries to help even up all the injuries we have been having. I think we can get a result over the 2 legs and am just hoping that their fixture list gives us a slight advantage going into the 2nd leg in out backyard.

Brendan

Good point Brendan, it's important to note though that both teams have quite a lot of depth, the key game will be the second leg, coming off two games against Barcelona and then to travel to OT will be a real test. I reckon they'll really go for it in the first leg and look to have it won in that game. I just hope Fergie gets the selection right for the first leg and that we don't have any injuries!

Andy!

Brendan

Given the standings in La Liga, both barca and real might play second string teams as both will have their eye on the cl ties. I guarantee Mourinho will sacrifice the Barca ties for the CL as the gap is too large for him to risk getting knocked out of cl.

Shahram

25 Jan 2013 15:40:49
2 of the 3 games are the Copa Del Rey semi final and I can't see either resting many 1st teamers. Where Real are in the league at the minute, if Barca beat them in the league and knock them out of the semi final and we knock them out of the CL their season is over. They will then have huge criticism heading their way from every angle and the in fighting will be even bigger than it already has been. They could be managerless and may have a huge fight to even qualify for next years CL. There is too much resting on these games for Real to take chances in my eyes. Barca will also want to inflict as much pain as possible on Real and losing any game to them won't be an option. I think it will be a hugely difficult 5 weeks for Real and hopefully it will culminate with Van Persie getting the winning goal in front of the Stretford End.

Brendan {Ed007's Note - Your post came through twice Bren, I will delete the other one.}

Cheers ed

25 Jan 2013 07:31:11
Who could be making way for Zaha. Nani, valeciaor the retirement of Giggs. Also could he become the new number 7.
Redchad

As I have said many times, I see Zaha taking the place of Nani. Another winger to replace Valencia and Giggs to stay on.

Fresh!

25 Jan 2013 01:43:02
its ok syd mate and guys we are the best team in england, we have like 19 premier league trophy's so we are the champions for me it does not matter if city won the league, city chelsea arsenal does not matter they don't do like we do(they have won the league before but they are now struggling to win it again)but we are always their and fighting for the title and we have won 3 times in row a couple of times so yes we are england's best team and the champions even if city won it the last time, no 20 on its way guys zee;)

Is it just me or does your Norwegian friend zee seem just a tad hyper?

Puzzled

Yes we are England's most decorated team and I agree that we consistently challenge for major honours, however at this point in time we can no longer claim to the best team in England or the champions. up until may that honour, I hate to say it goes to city.
Nathan

First time I agree with you Puzzled, Zee is alright though, a nice guy who is always looking at everything in a positive way!

Keep the entertaining posts coming Zee! ;)

-JakeW

Bet he's been eatong too many boxes of spunk! sugar rush! (btw spunk is a sweet in Norway!)

ms85

I like the salty licorice fish, you don't know how lucky you are Zee, can't get it here in England

snakey