Manchester United Banter Archive January 25 2014

 

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25 Jan 2014 23:54:33
Paper on Sunday (if you can believe them!) are reporting that RvP, Rooney, Fellaini and Rio will all be available for Cardiff on Tuesday.
Hope so, as lack of goals is killing us and with the best will in the world Danny and Chicarito can't replace Robin and Roon. Add a small Mata of Juan and hopefully we can make OGS's return to OT a rather less pleasant memory than all his previous ones!

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25 Jan 2014 23:54:11
So when everyone is fit where will mata play left, right or in the hole?

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Left but not exactly hugging the touch line. He'll be more fluid than that.

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I can imagine mata and januzaj being pulled in a bit more centrally to allow the fullbacks to overlap and act as second wingers. My only concern with this is while mata is fantastic keeping the ball at his feet and finding space, how Is he going to cope with evra getting bombarded down the left? Would be nice to see a left back or centre mid follow mata this window.

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25 Jan 2014 23:45:19
For those who are suddenly expecting us to sign Kroos - I'd be very surprised to see it happen. He's a cracking player which is reflected by the fact that he's appeared in all of their games so far (only he, Muller and Neuer have done so). Why they would want to sell him is beyond me - as is why he would want to leave.

Below are Bayern's midfielders with the number of appearances/goals/assists so far (17 games in). There have been a few injuries, mind (Gotze, Schweinsteiger and Thiago).

Kroos 17/1/3
Muller 17/8/7
Gotze 12/5/3
Schweinsteiger 10/1/1
Thiago 7/0/2
Javi Martinez 6/0/0

If anyone might be available I'd imagine it would be Martinez - who'd also be a great buy. Wouldn't mind Shaqiri either!

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Martinez is a magnificent defensive midfielder, and Guardiola will make a top class center back out of him for some reason. Selling him would make no sense what so ever.

Kroos on the other hand has competition in his position, with Schweinsteiger coming back would give Guardiola a headache.

Talks over a new contract seem to have stalled, with Bayern unprepared to give him the salary he thinks he deserves. They probably believe they have enough players in his position, and with Emre Can coming back and Sebastian Rode rumoured to be watched by Bayern ( not to mention Koke ), they think they can deal with the loss of Kroos.

I'm not too sure whether Bayern fans would appreciate losing one of their star locals, and even with Guardiola sticking with him so far, we might, just might be able to prize him away.

It remains highly unlikely though, more so with a significant transfer fee and higher wages. The summer would be a better bet. If he hasn't signed a new contract than you never know

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25 Jan 2014 23:35:16
Do we know if there is any interest in Cabaye? Apart from Yaya he is the best central midfielder in the League. He and Shaw would make this fantastic window even better.

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Bold statement Fresh, what about Wilshere? Ramsey? Ramieres? Dembele? I'd say all these players are just as good but obviously Cabaye is the only likely target at the moment.

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25 Jan 2014 23:34:44
Our set pieces are certainly going to get a lot more threatening and interesting with Mata on the ball as long as Rooney & RVP let him have a go. Mata should probably become our main set piece man.

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His corners are deadly accurate. Imagine seeing both Rooney and Van Persie in the box attacking the ball.

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Yeah, he will probably get more out of the wig from his deliveries too.

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A good free kick taker too!

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25 Jan 2014 23:26:02
Manchester United ready to pay Wayne Rooney £65million to be figurehead of new-look team reports a newspaper.

300,000/week? I'd rather sell him, not worth that much money, Keep or Sell?

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Keep for 2.5 years and then sell.

Why sell our best players whilst we are building?

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Here we go again ;-)

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I agree Syd at the moment along with Adnan he's our best player. I still think that's too much money, especially for a player who did not want to confirm his desire to play for us all summer.

Every one keeps saying play Mata on the left/right of Wayne, but why? Mata is better in the hole than Rooney.

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Our best player is RVP and for 300k you can't keep Rooney and frankly put no one will pay him that.

The wage being discussed is out of this world and noway justifies keeping him and I believe the whole story is complete bs.

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26 Jan 2014 09:27:49
I don't care what he is getting paid(and it won't be 300k)
Whatever it is it won't be as much as the Glazers are getting.
All I care about is having him in our team for the next 2 or 3 years while we are building another great side.

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If the likes of Nani, Anderson, Fabio, Young, Evra, Ferdinand, Giggs, Vidic & Hernandez are leaving, then there's an extra £50k a week for Rooney. Keep him for 2.5 years and then sell him once the team has been rebuilt.

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GCU, RvP's work rate is nothing on WR's. Also there is the question that RvP isn't going to be fit all the time. Rooney should be the new captain if he keeps his decent shape and leads by example by chasing every ball.

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Ozwald

Work rate is overrated mate. It resonates with the fans because our CM's are not great.

I do agree RVP fitness is the drawback but if you had both fully fit, rvp is the better player.

It is not a coincidence we are struggling without him. I hope he comes back and says injury free until the end of the season and we will see a major change in our results.

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25 Jan 2014 23:14:33
Top drawer signing:-) finally something to smile about. Just what our season needed. Is it really plausible that we might get some more quality signings this window? Clearly DM is more of a tactical genius than we give him credit for. By playing rubbish football he was able to convince the board to incest big. (Said in jest before anyone has a go)

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25 Jan 2014 23:02:47
Lookin forward to out game on the 12th of feb now. Obviously mata will give you and your team morale a lift like ozil did to us. If u can get one more in and keep rvp and rooney fit I think you could nick 4th. If we play to our full potential I think we will beat you. Your defense still looks shaky and no dominant midfielder against ours, we should have the upper hand. Anyway as much as I can't stand united.good luck for the rest of the season. Hopefully we can nick it ahead of city and chelski, however unlikely it looks.

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Lol u must be getting worried, I really dnt care who wins the league of it ain't us tbh (other than liverpool obviously) however would prob rather ure lot than most.
Gd luck u are prob going to need it.

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I too would rather Arsenal won the league if we don't - but have a feeling we will beat you in Feb. Rooney and RVP will both be back by then and there may well be more signings in the next week.

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25 Jan 2014 22:57:31
In SAFs last season we signed the best striker in the League from our rivals in RVP, we have now signed the most creative player in the League from another rival. I cannot wait to see these two link up, along with Rooney and Januzaj. It's also good to see that DDG had a big hand in this, Mata said he spoke to him a lot and that he was a big factor for coming here. I hope DDG can have the same impact with Koke in the summer as he and Vidal are the two that we need with Fellaini, Carrick etc. making the backup.

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25 Jan 2014 22:54:13
Mata in - YES!

Now who else (if anyone) do you think we will get?

I have heard lots of names put about (as normal). Vidal, Shaw, Cavani, Kroos, Reus.

Personally if we could manage to get either Vidal or Shaw in before Friday and a deal to sign the other in the summer, that would be great.

Then in the summer I think we can clear the decks and bring in more.

Personally I would offer Juventus £20million and Nani for Vidal now, hopefully that may work.

Looks like Moyes is being backed (thankfully) and he has some high profile targets.

Manchester United forever!

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25 Jan 2014 22:50:06
Not yet heard Moyes comments but they seem very positive. I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaw and Vidal to follow this window with more in the summer. Shaw would be an incredible signing, we would have two players there to transform the left hand side.

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25 Jan 2014 22:49:36
Moyes and Neville check out Toni Kroos. heres a quick translation of an article in todays Bild magazine in Grrmany.
' speculation is around midfielder Patrick Herrmann or Toni Kroos's future. What points to this? Moyes was accompanied by Sacha Breese He's the 'right hand man' of Volker Struth the owner of the agency SportsTotal, and they they have Kroos on their books - Just coincidence? '
Karl Heinze Rummenigge told 'Kicker' (magazine) on thurs that Kroos's contract talks have thus far come to nothing ( his contract is up in 2015.
Are United trying to get in between them?


That was the report. Are we in for Kroos anyone?
Jomo.

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25 Jan 2014 22:46:22
Welcome Juan Mata, hopefully the start of something special. New #7?

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25 Jan 2014 22:38:40
Banter

Just Read Mata's Letter
I do feel for the lad. Obviously not for having to join us, but from going to Hero to Obsolete having done nothing to deserve it. One part sort of stung though, However I could be taking it out of context. He was talking about he exclusion from the Chelsea squad and states.

'Football is a team sport and it's not easy to play regularly in such a good squad.'

So To me that is him saying what we all know but don't want to hear. Our Squad does not offer him a lot of competition?

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Well, it doesn't offer him too much competition. He is a world class player and will be a regular starter on the left hand side of the three behind the striker. Rooney when fit will always play the number 10 role and Januzaj or Valencia will play on the right. Januzaj should play most of the time but I do think that he needs some of the pressure taking off of him. Kagawa will also feature too of course. They will all get games but Rooney and Mata are definitely going to be the 'main men' for two of the three positions.

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25 Jan 2014 22:37:35
A few websites claiming that Kagawa will be on his way out now that Mata's come in but I think everyone needs to face the fact he's not going to leave while the Glazers own United purely because of how marketable he is i.e. shirt sales, fan pulling power

I for one feel he will work well with Mata when played together, and without Rooney playing at the moment its Mata Kagawa Januzaj just behind the striker of Welbeck or Hernandez

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Kagawa will benefit from this, he needs intelligent players around him. He links well with Januzaj so will also link well with Mata.

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I don't want Kagawa to leave, but if he's no longer wanted by Moyes, then the club will sell him. MU do not HAVE to keep an Asian player in the squad. Park and Kagawa are quality players. That's why they were signed. Being Asian was a nice bonus for the club, but they were/are good players.

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I'm not saying that we have to keep him but given the choice I would think the Glazers would not want to sell

They love money and he rakes it in for them!

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25 Jan 2014 22:25:15
Just want to say good luck to Juan Mata at Manchester United and one last thing, in november moyes said that he didn't ozil so correct me if I am wrong ain't ozil and mata similar type of players?

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Well if he said that he didn't want him, then I guess he didn't want him. He said the money was there and it was.

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I think Mata has shown he can play in our league and was Chelsea's best player for several years. It is an excellent signing as long as backed up with a top midfield player and left back. In terms of Ozil the money may not have been available in summer. In that the owners via Woodward may not have felt it was needed, note his no retool comment. The slump we have seen on the pitch and in the share price likely jolted the owners to invest and thank goodness for that. Out of Ozil and Mata I think we got the better one as physically Mata has shown he can handle himself.

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@Red Man

Fully agree. Imo Mata has stepped up in big games, fought on when others haven't played well and he is a very good person, a bit Scholes like. His lowest low is higher than most players. Like you said, he handles physicality well. I don't think Ozil has done enough in the important games.

Also interesting is that unlike Ozil, he started off on the left side of midfield. I'm sure you remember the games against Swansea and Wigan at the start of the season and how we used Giggs in those games to great effect. I think that is how Moyes will look to deploy Mata, to much more devastating effect.

A young energetic left back like Shaw and a powerful CM like Vidal would complement that very well and make us a deadly side. It gives us the option of switching tactics within the game.

Then perhaps we could look to a center back and winger in the summer.

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25 Jan 2014 22:16:48
"I have been impressed with the excitement he has shown to be part of the new Manchester United" - David Moyes talking about Mata.

For me, this is the single biggest statement he's ever made. Not necessarily signing Mata but a new Manchester United, something we as fans have not acknowledged and appreciated yet.

Great signing at a great club.

Welcome to Manchester Juan.

On a personal note it's great to see another Spaniard wearing red.

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Fellaini and Mata are the beginnings of 'his' Manchester United. Before the team was very much Fergie's creation, from this point onwards is when he will be truly judged.

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25 Jan 2014 22:10:27
Question to Mata,
What do you think is your best position?

First of all playing! [Laughs] I love to play. I think I can play in the three positions behind the striker.

You think Moyes has told him the way were heading. Ie 4-2-3-1?
i hope so

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I think it's quite obvious the initial plan is the 4-2-3-1. Mata and Adnan/Valencia will play either side of Rooney and behind RvP when all are finally fit.

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The sooner valencia goes from the starting line up to squad player the better.

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Yeh I agree Syd it's obvious to most fans, I think the only one it hasn't been obvious to is DM until hopefully now.

Can't wait to see rvp rooney mata and adnan line up together. Sounds scary

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25 Jan 2014 22:06:31
David Moyes: "What I will say, this is the first, and there will be many more to come in time."

I bet Fellaini feels chuffed with this statement.

On another note, classy letter left by Mata for the Chelsea fans.

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Moyes' looked completely invigorated in that interview. He seemed relaxed and open as opposed to uptight and cautious. What he said about wanting to build an exciting attacking team pleased me.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another big name this window. If not, we could see as many as 4 top players' coming in the summer, IMO.

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I said we needed a CB, LB, CM & LW before September. I said the LW and CM must be worldies and the other two need to be decent players. So far our LW (Mata) is a worldie. let's hope the CM is a worldie and the LB (hopefully Shaw). I'm glad it's started the way I'd hoped, let's hope it finishes that way.

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You also said we would be top by Xmas and finish god knows how many points above Liverpool, calm yourself down

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25 jan 2014 21:50:09
get in mata finally a manc, luv u juan welcome to the best club in the world, roll on next season back with a vengeance

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25 Jan 2014 20:27:50
Ed if your given a decision to buy players
Name the top five targets. Just for the fans to know your choice

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{Ed004's Note - Vidal, Gundogan, Reus, Koke, Mangala}

25 Jan 2014 21:13:43
Watchin moyes with kroos agent does start to make you think the impossible maybe possible, kroos is excellant at everything, he would probably be the best signing we could make, absolutely awesome, I can't see it in all honesty but it would be amazing

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He doesn't look so good on Player Profiles.

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All I can say paulo is I swapped sky for virgin last year and got bt sports, so I've had the chance to see him quite alot, more so last year but from what I've seen, he is a very very good player, of course it is only my opinion but there it is.

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Why not try watching him instead, Paulo?

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25 Jan 2014 21:10:00
Just to give an idea about amount spend on signing players since 1992 (net spend)

1. Chelsea £842m - 3 titles
2. ManCity £704m - 1 title
3. Liverpool £602m - 0 title
4. ManUtd £532m - 13 titles

Love Utd!

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25 Jan 2014 20:57:28
To the tune of Joe Dolce -

What's a Mata Arsene, why you acting so mad?
Whats a Mata Arsene, why you take it so bad?
What's a Mata Arsene, did you want him too?
What's a Mata Arsene, now he'll play with Roo?
We'll screw your title race!

so bad! Sorry lol

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25 Jan 2014 20:50:30
Bastian schweinsteiger to man utd? Not getting as many appearances as he used to at bayern. Watch this space.

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25 Jan 2014 19:52:04
I think the signing of Mata would help Kagawa settle in i.e. if they play together. What Kagawa is missing is someone in the midfield who is intelligent in utilising the spaces and can get ahead of him and create space for each other.

How many times have you seen the other midfielders like Carrick, Cleverly, Fletcher get past Kagawa(when he plays) and being available for a pass, maybe a few. Mata is exactly what Kagawa needs in and around him to play his game.

I hope DM finds a way to accommodate the more skillful players into the starting eleven and give us that attacking threat going forward. Hope he signs another CM, LB before the window shuts down.

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If we get one of RVP or Rooney back we should play Kagawa as a number 10, Januzaj right and Mata left. Would be exceptional.

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I think we could move to 4141 if we got a decent mid like vidal, mata kagawa rooney januzaj all behind rvp

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25 Jan 2014 19:17:03
Is it just me that thinks the timing of us starting contract talks with Rooney and Mata signing are a coincidence? Are we using his arrival as a message to Rooney, that life will go on if he leaves and therefore putting us in a better bargaining position? I'm expecting these ridiculous reports of £300k to be way off the mark. If we offer anything near that then it will quite frankly be a disgrace, whether you are a Rooney fan or not. Is he really worth double what we are likely to be paying Mata?

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I don't believe the 300k just paper talk.
Over the next 4 years Mata will cost us more than Rooney don't forget the 37 mill

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Think its to show wayne that the club are moving forwardsand the standards at manchester will remain high by signing top players, not becoming a team in decline.

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25 Jan 2014 19:05:17
does anyone else think that if courtois goes back to chelsea then De Gea will head back. He must be P***ed off

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{Ed002's Note - Atletico are already looking to a different solution.}

Why would DDG go back? Especially with his pal Juan joining him at MU.

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Why must he be pissed off?

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I feel maybe 1 day as much as I think De Gea will be worlds #1 keeper, he will go to Barcelona and probably blame the weather in Manchester, homesickness etc. Will be sad to see him leave as we have never really replaced Peter Schmeichel apart from van der saar for a few years, we missed out on him in his hey day.

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We'd want a profit not sure Atleti would pay that much.

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Because his defence is letting him down and it makes him look bad. Listen i'm a De Gea fan and I always thought utd should've went for him( earlier in my oppinion) But Utd are on the downward spiral and Athletic are on the up. Don't be naive and think otherwise. I hope with the Mata signing he has a friend within the squad. For what its woth Courtois is the best keeper about and has been for a while

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DDG will be focussing on improving his performance level I suspect. He needs to improve from recent performances, that's for sure. I don't think he's plotting his escape just yet.

If he gives us 3 more years and leaves us as a world class keeper for a big transfer fee then he'll be remembered fondly. Turned out ok for CR7.

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25 Jan 2014 18:26:46
To te tune of Randy Newman - Yellow Man

"Very far away. in a foreign land,
Lived the Spanish man, our boy Juan,
He's been around for many-a-year,
They say he was theirs, before he came here.

We'd pay the price all day,
To see United play,
You see Juan believes,
In the family,
Just like you and me.

Juan Mata is here to see, he is our red Juan."

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25 Jan 2014 18:14:28
does januzaj have a release clause that activates if we don't get champions league football

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{Ed002's Note - Forget release clauses.}

25 Jan 2014 17:42:35
Hi ed, a friend of mine told me a while back that Southampton's youth players as some sort of policy of the club, the players themselves don't have agents. Would Shaw be in this category of currently not having an agent and I presume all negotiations go through the club? Just interested.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know about Shaw but many younger players don't have agents.}

They usually have fathers who take 5% ;)

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{Ed002's Note - The club will have a Development Officer or similar who will ensure that a specialist deals with any specific negotiations. If there were to be a transfer for Shaw, I would expect the club to find him a decent agent to help negotiate.}

Sydney

I don't know if you remember me posting but this agent I met through some friends said we would buy a left back domestically and a cm. He also said we were to buy midfielder from the PL.

I think we will do the deal on shaw next week. He also said we will get a another midfielder in but not big name.

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Or in Neymars case 75% :)

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Unless the father is Brazilian Syd - then they want about 95%! ;-)

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Think the billionaire Southampton chairlady is the best agent one could have . money talks .

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25 Jan 2014 17:16:07
Does anyone have an idea as to watch time mata and moyes's interview will be on mutv?

Thanks in advance

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25 Jan 2014 17:11:10
No doubt Kroos is a great player and i'd love to have him at United but you lot wasn't even mentioning him until Moyes was spotted with his agent. now he's in peoples top 3/4.

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To be fair I haven't seen a lot of Kroos, I have never really sat and watched him play. Most Managers scout a number of players in one game. I think Xhaka, Dante & Kroos were all watched. However Raphael Honigstein has said that he believes both Dante and Kroos will sign a new deal.

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Totally agree mate, same with that Herrera fella!

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I've mentioned him before but I'm guessing plenty of people weren't aware bayern would allow him to leave, similar to how no one would put players like Sergio Ramos and Muller in there "top 3's" as people just assume they're unattainable

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JK92 people usually talk about the SOLID+SPECTACULAR types of players.

Vidal is that type of player.

Kroos on the other hand i'd say is just SOLID. But that doesn't mean he's a bad player, that means people won't talk about him much.

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Kroos is not a great player. He's much more than that. His technique and ability on the ball dwarfs Scholes', and he has a similar passing range ( not the vision yet, but it comes with time ).

Given the right circumstances, and if he keeps progressing, Kroos will become one of the best midfielders of his generation.

We rave about how technically gifted Gundogan is, Kroos is his superior

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I mentioned him about 2 weeks ago as underrated when there were reports emerging that he may be open to a move. He can play central or more advanced, certainly a playmaker type and highly regarded by the traditional bayern group. His main problem I think has been the arrival of Alcantara.

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Mumbai boy, there's a reason lots of Bayern fans were not happy at all with Goetze and Thiago joining. They thought it would limit Kroos' chances.

Lots of Bayern fans see him as the natural successor to Schweiny, with the potential to be better.

On your description, gerrard was more spectacular than Scholes, therefore he was better. What you fail to see is that Scholes is a better passer, better tempo setter and better playmaker.

Same goes for Kroos. If he reaches his potential, he will become better than Scholes ( knowing well that Scholes is one of the best central midfielders in history ).

I believe he's that good, and I'd rather have him than Vidal, Gundogan, and any other midfielder out there

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Mick I said that Kroos is a good player, please read my comment again.

And yes Scholes was less spectacular than Gerrard but he definitely was a better passer and had great vision.

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JK92, to be fair, I don't think anyone on here doesn't think Kroos is a top player. The reason he's rarely mentioned is because we always assumed he was one of those one-club player's.

I'll give you Herrera though.

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Mick

Dwarves Scholes? Nobody dwarves Scholes my friend so you are either short on vocabulary or short of sight. Just saying

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Isn't that agent also Reus' agent?

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To be fair AJH, Scholes isn't very tall

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25 Jan 2014 16:43:23
I have been searchin through loads of players today and was thinkin would it be good business to sign Ryan Gauld and Souttar from Dundee UTD but leave them there to progress for at least this season if not next before their value and attention from other clubs soars. Thoughts please

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I very much like this idea, we just have to keep the same manager to do this though otherwise we'd have players on loan everywhere (a la Chelsea) with no real place for them in the team if a new manager for example where to buy his own players

But it's something I'd like, especially as they're from the uk, keeping with traditions

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I agree although I feel it would be beneficial to get an agreement with a club like Dundee utd to "loan" them players from the accademy to get them playing time. I'm from Scotland and I know the league isn't great but its a better standard of football than the academy leagues

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25 Jan 2014 14:56:13
I personally feel that Moyes would still sign a central midfielder before the transfer window shuts. At the moment, Carrick and fellahin are out, Anderson has been loaned to fiorentina leaving only 2 fit cm's available for us at the moment which are fletcher and cleverley.
I'm pretty sure the reason for his trip to watch Bayern Munich take on Borussia Mönchengladbach was to search for a central midfielder. Moyes must realise that cleverly and fletcher aren't good enough to cover us for the next 5-6 games .


Thanks lads.

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25 Jan 2014 14:34:36
I have it on good authority that our business for this window is done after the Mata signing, however there will be 4-5 significant signings during the summer. The main targets are Marco Reus, Mats Hummels, Seamus Coleman, Fabio Coentrao and Arturo Vidal.

Luke Shaw will not be joining as it is felt that his valuation is excessive.

I have been told that the deals to sign Seamus Coleman, Fabio Coentrao and Arturo Vidal are all but agreed.

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{Ed002's Note - Someone has been teasing you.}

25 Jan 2014 14:33:04
I can understand why Mata would want to leave Chelsea in search of playing time but I don't understand how we can be so confident about Vidal.


I mean he is the topmost player in the Juventus side and they have a good chance of winning the league.

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Vidal is on a lowish salary for a player of his ability/status, MU are also in the UCL so he would have a chance of winning it this season I guess. I believe he would join MU, but I think Juventus will be difficult to deal with. Perhaps Nani would make a nice sweetener?

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Yep Sydney he'd be the best signing for us.


We'd finally have a player in the midfield with the passion and drive of Keane.

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25 Jan 2014 14:27:34
Eds

Quick shout out to use and for the good work your doing keep it up!

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{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}

Well deserved

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25 Jan 2014 13:51:57
Finally we have a midfielder who can score goals and create chances. It's been a while.
Imagine all those assists with RVP on the end of them.
Lethal!

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25 Jan 2014 13:49:34
After a difficult 6 months for us it seems we finally have things to be positive about.
Exciting times for us, can't wait to see mata play and fit in with rooney, rvp, januzaj.
Exciting to see who else we are going to buy, now and in the summer. Can cope with 1 horrendous season. Couple more quality signings and we will be a great team again challenging for everything.
Vidal and shaw would be amazing.

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25 Jan 2014 13:45:09
RVP tweeting his welcomes to Juan Mata and saying see you all Tuesday. Hoping this beans his return also.

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Beans lol

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Haha oops *means

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25 Jan 2014 13:43:55
Hi Eds.Is Juan Mata CL eligible? A mate of mine who is a CFC fan says he only made the bench.

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{Ed002's Note - No he is not available.}

Not meaning to be a dick Ian - but given how easy it is to check if Mata played in the CL this season (it took me about twenty seconds to find out that he started one game and came off the bench in another!) - is it really necessary to waste the editors' time? They have enough to get through without having to answer stuff like this!

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I'm afraid to say you were unsuccessful in your quest redseven.

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25 Jan 2014 13:39:10
Juan Mata oooh
Juan Mata oooh
He made the rent boys cry
To play with Januzaj.

DGC.

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25 Jan 2014 13:37:21
This is no rumour but MUTV have been showing footage of Mata landing at Carrington and chatting to Moyes.

Promising times ahead, the clip can be found on MU page.

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25 Jan 2014 13:17:46
Finally!

Mata has arrived in Manchester let's get this deal rolling

Also rvp said on Twitter welcome mata see you Tuesday!

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25 Jan 2014 13:00:39
Liverpool have got Rick Astley in goal!

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25 Jan 2014 12:22:32
Anyone have any idea what shirt number Mata will have?

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Number 7

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Personally I think it will be the number 8, I don't think he will get the 7.

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25 Jan 2014 12:49:09
Surely 8 would be kept for Vidal or whoever. Give 7 to Mata and let Januzaj inherent the 11 in summer.

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My United hero when I was a nipper was Bryan Robson so I would love to see Vidal be given the number 7 shirt.
Give Mata 8 and Januzaj 11.

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Dazmck was correct, he'll get the number 7 shirt.

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25 Jan 2014 11:29:54
Hi eds, any chance of a profile on luke shaw? i'm struggling to believe the hype for that sort of money.

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{Ed004's Note - Not sure the profilers are about. Basically he's already best lb in premiership behind Baines and is only 18. He's very good defensively and he is a good height so isn't beaten in air much.}

Brilliant player, agree totally with what the ed says. Best left back in the world in a few years. I think next season we will have Shaw with Buttner back up and Evra leaving.

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Fresh you don't think we'll get Shaw do you? Slap my wrist and called me Betty but i'm pretty sure he is destined for Chelsea.

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Betty? Is that because it's the weekend? Naughty.

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And what's wrong with Betty? Great name

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Thread of the day! :)

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Nothing swollox, just the way my mind works.

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25 Jan 2014 11:25:49
I know all this talk about Rooney possibly agreeing a new contract is (at the moment) unconfirmed paper talk. But if the reported £300k a week is anywhere near accurate, I think the club are crazy. Fair enough, Rooney wants the best co tract he game get, and his agent is only doing the best for his client in trying to get that deal for him. There is no doubt he has been our best player so far this season, but 300 grand a week? The world has gone mad. He is a good player, but he is not up there with the vey best. If that is what it will take to keep Rooney at the clubs, we should thank him for his services, wish him well and say goodbye.
I would not even be bothered if we sold him to Chelsea. What they are lacking is a goal scorer, and there are better goal scorers around than Rooney. If they were to offer a decent price for him, I would let him go. The reason he has been almost in expendable for us is because we have lacked creativity and quality going forwards. If we can add 2 more top midfielders alongside Mata, and Rvp fit then to me, Rooney is no longer in expendable.
Just my opinion, but if 300 grand a week is the price of keeping him, I would let him go.

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{Ed004's Note - Agreed}

I can't imagine us giving him that much as a basic salary tbh. Its probably like the £250k p/w we are told he is on now whereas I think he's on more like £160-180k plus extras.

At the end of the day i'm not sure we should get too stressed out about this side of things. The club will have their policies on such matters and Moyes is the manager so he's the man to decide whether or not he wants Rooney in the team.

If he signs a new deal I will see it as another positive - even if just to protect our asset - and i'm not going to worry too much about the money side.

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Why shouldn't he be the highest paid player at united. I honedtly don't think it will be as high as 300k a week but he's been here since a kid. We all talk of loyalty or lack of but surely it goes both ways. I still think he's the heartbeat of our side

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The clubs not stupid and they'll know a players worth on the pitch. But it's also a players worth off the pitch now. To be honest I think Rooney is the clubs most marketable player. That to me must be a big factor if the amount quoted is correct. Not to sure I may be wrong

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Totally agree betty, tbh I want him gone either way, unless he signs a contract on a lot less money.

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Betty you do watch football don't you to say Rooney is not in the bracket of the very best is way off the mark the guy is a one off player and a legend still playing at the club he is our heart beat, can't wait to see how he and Mata link up plus if anyone at the club is going to earn crazy money it should be him he is the face and biggest marketing tool at the club he generates interest and shirt sales world wide and I still think the best is still to come, he is Pavee blood and pavee men actually get better at there sport which is normally bare knuckle boxing in there 30s so I think he can go up a gear or two and that would be something we should be very enthusiastic about

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"Why shouldn't he be the highest paid player at united

Because it is called employment fair pay for fair play, value and we are not the red cross society.

300k is a stupid number and probably lazy journalism. Guys like Aguero, Suarez, Cavani, Falcao don't come close to earning that and the simple answer is he is not as good as them so why on earth would a club like us pay that sort of money.

I think he is leaving come this summer ad all we are seeing is planning for changes.

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I think this is the short term price we are paying for not investing in the squad over the last few years. We can't afford to let a proven top class player leave because we don't have enough back up.

Look on the positive side. Who knows what sort of player he will morph into if Moyes and Woodward can pull in the sort of names that are being bandied about to play alongside him. Clearly part of his issue has been the very obvious decline in the quality of the squad since we sold Ronaldo. And despite the criticism about him not being a goal scorer, he has netted 208 times in 10 years and could become United's all time leading goal scorer if our midfield woes are sorted.

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Are you guys for real?

Rooney in the same bracket as 'the best' heard it all now.

Guaranteed you are English as that's the only excuse for that statement. I'm sorry was it Rooney that won us the title last season? Was it Rooney all the oppo teams feared last year or the years previous? Was it Rooney that everyone inc SAF had had enough of last year?

The guy was a needed cog for a number of years after ronny left as he was our best attacker, in an attack that included berbatov and welbeck etc. any good player could shine in that environment. Then he twisted our arms to get a disgraceful new contract that was totally unwarranted and we had to comply through necessity had SAF already had RVP on board Rooney wouldn't have got that contract simple as that.

He has served his purpose and shouldn't be here now IMO there are a very big number of better strikers and umpteen more better No 10's than him and that's just playing ability, never mind his professionalism, weight control, sneaky tactics when it comes to money and contracts etc.

Legend? Haha don't make me laugh. He has done well no doubt but had he half a brain cell capable of learning a new language (scouse doesn't count) he wouldn't be here.

SAF (an actual legend) knew he was needed and gave him the contract to stay but also seen he wasn't needed this year so tried to force him out, Moyes had to keep him as his fiasco of a summer transfer policy dictated that he had to stay just to keep the fans onside.

Isn't needed, not anywhere near world class, not a legend and easily replaced.

Christ I could run around allot ;)

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We can't worry about the salary side, the club will do that.
We had this all summer, people saying Rooney is gone, Rooney is rubbish, etc. And we all know that without him, we would be in serious trouble. I never understand people's attitude towards his skill, workload. He always gives his best. You might not like him but we must not allow this to cloud our judgement.
Lastly, mata will be a great signing, but we don't want to sign one world class player and sell another, we want to have as many as we can.

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I do wonder if the new Deal is just a way to Push up his Valuation. Just Food for thought

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Jono. It's funny how quickly people forget RVP's spell of something like 1 goal in 12 games. Rooney carried us through that period. Hard to argue that RVP was not our best player last season but Rooney played a very important role - as he has done consistently since coming to the club.

£300k is a ridiculous amount and I would be surprised if it's anywhere near accurate. I've had conversations about Rooney in the past with sports journalists and a few have suggested that the £250k/week he's allegedly on now is a little off the mark. My guess would be that it's not too different than HB suggested above.

As well as his contribution on the pitch - he is still our most marketable player. Losing him would cost the club a lot more than we could ever expect to sell him for in the long run and even if he were to be offered £300k/week I'd imagine that he does enough on and of the pitch to bring in more than that.

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Red seven

Rooney and consistency should not be in the same sentence. To pick out RVP's one lean spell and not highlight Rodney's multiple EVERY season shows the difference in levels between good players and 'the best'

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Jono, the amount of goals Rooney has scored ad the number of goals he has created season after season places him among the best. People may point to the fact Rooney scores less than Lewandowski, Cavani, Falcao, Aguero, but all these players play as centre forwards, whereas Rooney plays as a deep lying forward, because he has superior vision and passing to these players, hence he scores less but creates more. Also Rooney would easily score 30 goals every season in Germany or Spain or France or Italy, because in those leagues there are far more weak teams. I would agree Rooney does not deserve £300k, but I would assume he may get £200k on a new contract, bearing in mind the talk of his current deal being £250k is utter trash.

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Too many people getting their knickers in a twist over a fictional figure made up by a news paper. Leave the business side of things to the club, they are not stupid and they will know how much they value him compared with the others.

As supporters, let's just worry about the team and getting behind them. if you don't like/rate Rooney fine but let's not waste our energy pretending we know how to run the finances of the club is it?

When we don't spend money we are skint and unambituous. When we do, its too much money or a bad decision. let's just get behind the positive changes the club are trying to make and see what happens.

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Jono - How so?

Rooney has scored at least ten goals and with the exception of last season (in which he made 37 because he was dropped by SAF) has made at least 40 appearances every season he's been with us.

Over the same period RVP has failed to make 40 appearances in a season five times (soon to be six) and scored fewer goals than Rooney.

Since the 2004-2005 season Rooney has him beat in appearances (424v341) and goals (208v172) - which considering Rooney is more often played in the number ten role rather than up top - is some achievement.

Rooney can be afforded lean spells because he's more often than not played further back in a position which one would not expect to be our primary source of goals. If he's not scoring he's likely to be providing assists.

You can argue that RVP is a better player than Rooney all you like (I personally think Rooney brings more to the team - but that's just my opinion). Unfortunately - if he's not fit - that counts for nothing.

Stats don't lie. RVP has played an average of 34.1 games per season since coming to England. Rooney has played an average of 42.4 since joining United. Rooney has him beat hands down when it comes to reliability (although both are surprisingly bad!).

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Katef,
No I don't actually watch football. Just thought I would post that because I heard someone else say it. Rooney is a very good player for us, but he is not in my opinion comparable with the best. Rooney doesn't have a great first touch, his close control isn't brilliant and his short passing game could be better. Sure he works hard and drives us on and probably has been the heartbeat of the team. But that is because we lack quality in key areas. The point of my post really was that if we do make further quality signing to go with Mata, we will no lo get be so reliant on Rooney. Like I said, he is a very good player, but world class? Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc would laugh their arses off. Working hard and running around a lot doesn't make you a top player. If it did, perhaps we should put in a bid for Mo Farah.

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Jono, You are one of my favourite posters man. But here you are talking out of your ar$e. He is easily replacable? Think again mate, you are being KLOOT mate.

Deeps.

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I agree with katef I'm not sure betty watches football

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Jred, so why do you think I don't watch football? Just because I don't think Rooney is world class?

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Gilly

Superior vision? Passing? I'm not sure you see the same Rooney I do. When he is off the boil (2-3 times a season) he can't even control the ball and I wonder how he would fair in the quick flowing attacking teams like, Dortmund etc because I think he would be shown up instantly.

Red seven

It's well documented RVP injury record up till his last season at arsenal was woeful so the number of games will always be lower but your stats don't lie as you say and Rvp record above is a better goals / game ratio AND that's in an arsenal team not challenging for honours or out scoring us. He played in a far more technical team than Rooney and along with fabregas was their main man and I would argue many arsenal players have better vision and passing than Rooney. During this time Rooney also had many stints as our main forward and after runny left he was the main man for a long time yet only one season was his goal tally world class.

And the reliability factor also comes with the fact Utd have played more games per season than arsenal probably all of those seasons so advantage Rooney there.

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I do talk allot of sh*t but only about keepers ;)

I think in modern football Rooney is easily replaceable, there is a false perception Rooney is a gifted footballer technically, no he is not. He has great drive and determination (when he can be ar*ed) and he can strike a ball brilliantly when doing it instinctively. He has minimal dribbling skill, little pace, hardly any tricks, isn't the most instinctive striker, hot headed, passing long is usually good, short very indifferent, control just as indifferent and since Ronaldo hasn't managed to strike a real partnership with any other striker (last season was the best so far).

He is suited to our slower build up and lethargic style of the past few years and that as well as Rooney should be a thing of the past by August.

IMO of course ;)

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Jono, how dare you? Rooney is the Messiah. If you can't see that you obviously don't watch football :)

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Jono

You are posting these days, I am happy your wifey has given you a free reign ;-) .

"He has minimal dribbling skill, little pace, hardly any tricks, isn't the most instinctive striker, hot headed, passing long is usually good, short very indifferent, control just as indifferent and since Ronaldo hasn't managed to strike a real partnership with any other striker (last season was the best so far). "

Well, I wonder how has he clocked the highest number of assists in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Contributed to 60% of our goals scored. So I guess, if what you are saying is accurate, either the league and other teams are sh!t, or the matches are fixed. The way we play when he s not around should be ample evidence of how irreplaceable he is.

By the way, he has struck good partnerships with almost all strikers who have come and GONE. Ronnie, Tevez, Berbatov, even Danny freaking Welbeck and Chicarito. He assisted more than 10 goals for RVP last season, one of his off key seasons. He is not going anywhere mate, not with the Glazers being here. Get used to his sight man ;-)

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25 Jan 2014 11:01:59
The last few days of this window could be very interesting. Seems me Woodward is learning fast, to his credit

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25 Jan 2014 10:59:44
For me Shaw is a no brainer, at 18 you are getting a top class English left-back for over a decade. It would be very difficult though as he is a Chelsea fan. I imagine Southampton will want a sell-on clause installed, where they get a percentage of any future sale. I think that is something MU would agree to, I also think MU would loan him back to Southampton until the summer. I still think the biggest hurdle is convincing the player himself. Sure, if Chelsea were not interested, then he could choose MU pretty easily, but he is a fan of Chelsea so if it is a choice between the two it will be a simple decision for him.

Lets be honest though, Shaw, Vidal & Mata in would be an amazing bit of business. No one would complain.

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I would already getting sick of humble pie. Seriously though yup that would be our best window ever.

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Are we still thinking vidal could happen in january thn syd?

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Would easily be the best window I have seen us have and I don't think anyone however fervently they dislike DM or the board can complain that the effort is not being made.

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I think he's Chelsea bound.

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£22m + is an awful lot of money for an inexperienced 18 year old defender - regardless of his potential.

My gut says he'll be a top top player in the future and so I'd say he's worth the gamble (although I still see him going to Chelsea). Not so sure I'd say it's a no-brainer though!

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I would not be surprised if as part of the Mata deal we step away from Shaw so the price is not driven up too high. This allows Chelsea a free run of signing him.
Would love to get the player but highly unlikely IMO. We should be going for Sandro.

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25 Jan 2014 10:55:41
Whilst interest in Vidal seems very real with a deal being likely for the summer, for now do you think we could move for Guarin? He is angling for a move and would be a brilliant signing at around £15 million - also you say interest in Xhaka. Would love Guarin if we can't finalise the deal for Vidal until the summer.

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25 Jan 2014 10:54:47
Given Kroos and Reus are both attacking players, Where do you intend to fit them with Shinji, Mata, Janujaz and Wayne already present.

A box to box mid and a left back are much needed, Reus and Kroos are none, unless one of WR or Shinji leave.

Also
I have never paid much attention to Shaw to be honest, exactly how good is he, what style does he play?

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{Ed004's Note - Shaw is a fantastic player will be the best left back in the world IMO. Kroos is very versatile and from the limited game time I have seen is capable of playing a lot deeper. Reus is possibly best or in top 3 best wingers in the world}

Ok about shaw Ed.
Kroos is versatile, agreed, but do we need a short, not very physical player over a box to box like Vidal? Getting overrun in midfield is becoming more of a habit.
I agree with the Reus part aswell, but who would he replace? Janujaz (or Mata)? Or Rooney

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{Ed004's Note - I would probably guess Rooney however, if Nani, young and zaha go he could replace all 3 of them. Also I though Kroos was a powerful midfielder who can compete well for the ball? I think Moyes is looking to pair Vidal with a playmaker tbh Gundogan, Koke, Herrera, Kross etc}

I've not heard we were in for both. Kroos to me is a non starter since we have Mata. A lot of us see us moving to a 4231 formation and for me the 3 would be Reus, Mata and Rooney with Janu often coming on as a sub and covering for the inevitable injuries. Hopefully, if we choose Reus, Shinji would go the other way as part of the deal.

Shaw is good and with the progression you would expect of an 18 year old can be great. He's better than we have now but I too think he's destined for Chelsea.

Vidal is just about every ones first choice but Gundogan could be a very good alternative and much cheaper if he continues to refuse a new deal. I know Real are interested, and they usually get what they want, but you have to ask how much game time he would get with their midfield.

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Vidal this January with Koke in summer? That would be ideal. Then Fellaini for back up along with Fletcher and Cleverly - Carrick will be on his last season or two.

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By what i've seen of him, he is hardly how you describe him Ed,
also, where do you think fellaini fits if vidal and another midfielder is signed?

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{Ed004's Note - As a good back up}

25 Jan 2014 00:13:59
Ed004, from what Ed002 tells u, our interest in Vidal is quite real. But in case we missed out on him, who would you have us sign? Personally, I think he's twice the player Fellaini will ever be, and a much more well rounded box to box enforcer. But I would still wait until the summer to see if Fellaini proves himself

For the sake of argument, I'm talking about midfield enforcers not a technical player ( a la Gundogan ).

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{Ed004's Note - It would have to be Gundogan or if he's Madrid bound Modric, other targets (some v unlikely but then again Mata was unlikely IMO) Fabregas, Cabaye, Matuidi, Pogba and maybe Kroos though haven't seen much of Kroos? Heard about interest in xhaka dunno anything about him}

Ed, Granit Xhaka is one great lil player, I remember him and Shaqiri being standout when Basel knocked us out of the CL and then beat Bayern at home. As Sydney says, there was interest before Moenchengladbach got him.

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Kroos is a top player, very good energy, pace, creativity, late runs into box, really rate him.

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Ed004, Kroos is one of those modern midfielders who are best played between attacking midfield and defensive midfield, but he can do both.

He's strong, hard working, not really pacey, and has the most advanced technical ability of anyone I have ever seen. He can make 60 yard passes with both feet, hit the net from anywhere when he tries to shoot, and his passing is absolutely ridiculous. He has Xavi-esque passing stats but hits way more long balls.

The lad is a mad talent

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25 Jan 2014 10:03:18
I think we should go in for Javi Martinez and hopefully Moyes sat down with Pep last night and had a talk about him add Shaw and Vidal to that list and the team would be one of the best in the league

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25 Jan 2014 09:46:34
22.5m bid for luke shaw. Could anyone deny or confirm this please. Thanks in advance

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answer.}

25 Jan 2014 06:23:56
Moyes has been photographed with Sacha Breese in the stands at the Bayern game. His most notable clients are Reus, Kroos and Gotze. I think we can rule Gotze out. Or maybe Moyes is on another holiday!

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25 Jan 2014 07:32:25
Now Mata is ours, what a signing although Jose is sure it will give him the title I think he will at the end of the season realise he gave us the ammunition to take the title they have ruled us out of, my desire now is we go for a left back and central midfielder who aren't Eufa Champions League Cup tied. , why not sign

Hermann and Kruse whom DM was watching yesterday and Luke Shaw, I think after these signings we will shock many this season unexpectedly

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How do you know he was watching Hermann and Kruse?

Gladbach have said he was NOT watching any of there players.

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DD,

Did he close his eyes every time one of their players got the ball? I imagine he watched 11 of their players, what daft thing for them to say.

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How would Gladbach know who he was there to watch?

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{Ed002's Note - They said that the club did not request any tickets from them - it means very little of course.}

GDS

So you think he just turned up and whoever played well he would be interested in? How daft!

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25 Jan 2014 06:48:45
As use know David Moyes watched Bayern Munich take on Borussia Monchengladbach, but the interesting part?. He was escorted into the stadium by Toni Kroos agent!

Could it happen?

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He is Reus's agent too.

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25 Jan 2014 05:23:45
My top 4 options for that midfield player are

Vidal
Martinez
Kroos
Gundogan

All 4 can attack and do some defensive work as well. Ideally i'd prefer Vidal(Bastian is a brilliant player but completely unrealistic target).


But any one of these four would be great.

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25 Jan 2014 05:12:29
Does anyone here have any idea what position does Kroos play?
Does he play as No. 10 or can play alongside fletcher in the middle.
Thanks.

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I'm sure when he started he was a deeper lying mid but BM had been playing him in a more advanced position in front of Swienstiger and Martinez.

Not watched that much Bundersliga this year.

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He plays the advanced midfield role like Iniesta does, given that the midfield gets run over as it is, adding another advanced mid won't do any good

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25 Jan 2014 04:25:18
It seems Moyes was seen chatting to Toni Kroos' agent at the game yesterday.

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25 Jan 2014 01:17:31
Looks like Manchester United have put in a 22M bid in for Luke shaw hopefully they accept

Do any eds know anything

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25 Jan 2014 02:10:09
Lots of credible journalists reporting a Luke Shaw bid. Interesting. If we can get this done that is the left side of attack sorted out.

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REDFAITH

I would welcome Luke Shaw, it will be interesting to see if he would choose us over Chelsea, if of course there has been a bid. It is good to see the purse strings loosened and likely due to the pressure on the owners given our present predicament.

I welcome Mata, excellent player as long as we use him correctly.

The main midfield player is the vital one. Speculation about Tony Kroos is interesting but is he really top drawer? Welcome your thoughts on that REDFAITH?

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REDMAN

Maybe Shaw will join us and claim, like hazard, he is joining a project?

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@Red Man

Kroos is a very good palyer Red Man. Pace, power, skill, passing, he has got it all. His best attribute is that he can play various roles equally well.

Personally I would love to see him here. He just has a year left on his contract at the end of the season so could be a good deal. Still young, and perhaps is gettable in January. Imo, he has it in him to become a top player, just hasn't had the consistent gametime yet.

I would prefer Vidal or Gundogan though, especially Vidal.

But, I think with Moyes being spotted with the agent, we should also remember that the same guy represents Hermann and Reus. Its no secret that Reus is a target for the summer.

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25 Jan 2014 01:22:39
Welcome Mata :)

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25 Jan 2014 01:16:11
When (Not if) Mata signs, I see him coming in with the number 8 shirt which leaves 7 free for Januzaj next season if he feels up to the challenge the number brings

We all know Ronaldo originally didn't want to take on the number because of the pressure but SAF forced him to wear it because he knew how good he was going to be. And let's face it, Januzaj is of the same quality so I hope DM gives him the number 7 shirt

Who knows, we might be saying AJ7 in the not to distant future! although slightly less catchier than CR7

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I'd like to see Januzaj wearing number 11, that is if Giggs decides to call it a day. Who do I think should get the number 7? I reckon we should go for Viktor Fischer, looks a real talent!

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25 Jan 2014 01:06:03
From a very reliable sources. Mata was due into Manchester 11am this morning via helicopter . Unfortutntly Plans had to change due to Danny welbecks penalty hitting the plan half way to London.

Baa dom domm dommmm

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25 Jan 2014 00:50:08
I heard that Manchester United have placed a bid for Luke Shaw 22M. If it's true then I think we will get him 22M is a lot for him. Southampton would be wrong to decline it.

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I think it will come down to the player and whether it forces other clubs to get involved, perhaps sooner than they wanted.

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I can' believe your arrogance. "Southampton would be wrong to decline it"?
That is their player you're talking about and it's up to them if decide to sell not your right to purchase. This is exactly the reason why UTD are despised by many clubs. They simply think they can click their fingers and others will fall at their feet. Oh and by the way, please don't come back with further derisory offers for Everton players. THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE.

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Everton fans make me laugh, what does this post have to do with you at all? You have a real hatred for united, I used to quite like Everton fans thinking they were better than Liverpool fans but it now appears they are all as bad as each other, with bitter and embarrassing posts.

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Davey boy blue everyone has a price thesedays especially if the player wants to leave. Remember every now and again how many players you have had from us down the years for very fair prices and also that a big spine in your team is on loan you don't even own a striker

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What's funny about the Everton post is that when you look at their posts they are totally deluded about their standing in world football when when you look at the players they think they should go for! All because they have had an ok season so far.

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25 Jan 2014 00:47:21
Now that Mata has signed for the club, this has sent out strong signals about what the club wants to achieve in the future. And there are strong rumors that Vidal now even stronger desire a transition for the Red Devils at Old Trafford! My source comes from inside the club.

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This would be the icing on the cake ed02 says were interested to do a deal for him, what a player Vidal would be for us, Vidal and Mata will make up for not having the best summer transfer window I hope and prey for Vidal now we have Mata it fells like Christmas again;)

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So Rooney to get new deal of 300k a week, Mata to get 150k a week, is Rooney really worth that much more than Mata?

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Surely rooney deserves that much morr for time spent at the club. People shouldn't forget he carried are team for a long time, we ask for loyalty but expect not to give it back

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