Manchester United Banter Archive January 25 2020

 

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25 Jan 2020 19:45:13
The MUFC women's team were a bit unfortunate today but gave a good account of themselves. On the subject of technology though, does any of the eds know if its something that will be brought into the women's games? goal line or VAR or both? Seems unfair to have it in the top men's league and not the women's.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of plans and there are cost implication as the ladies sides traditionally do not play at the main grounds used by the PL sides. Maybe down the road a bit.}

25 Jan 2020 20:36:26
Thanks ed002, thought cost would be a problem. Hopefully down the line something can be sorted, only fair if we implement the technology that it's across the board (wherever possible) .

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25 Jan 2020 20:06:37
I don't see the point in just buying for the sake of it, if the players are not available for the right price or the style of play then so be it.

We have tried short term fixes before and they never work out.

Although I do the think glazers are a part of the problem I don't see how as businessmen they would want to let the club rot and fall down on the pitch which will then lead to a financial fall.

The reaction to our club will always be excessive and be portrayed to be so much worse and although ole probably is not the correct manager he is getting rid of the deadwood and seems to be targeting the right players.

I really do think the glazers are financially reseting the club in terms of the over inflated wage bill.

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25 Jan 2020 21:40:21
BIG V - Just because money has been spent badly is not an excuse to stop spending or investing in the squad.

If Utd want to return to the top we need better players and players cost money and lots of it.

The Club need review and improve recruitment so the money is invested properly on the right players but make no mistake if we want to improve we'll have to spend and spend big!

Barcelona spent £145m on Courtinho and over £100m on Dembele but it didn't stop them from signing Greizmann because a few players hadn't worked out. Transfers can be hit and miss and I think we've also been guilty of holding onto players for far too long. If they don't perform move them on and try to find others that can.

Madrid have never been afraid to let players leave the Club they just buy new ones.

To be fair to Ole he is trying to rid the squad of players that have consistently under performed but the Club seem reluctant to move them on or replace them and Ole will likely lose his job. He's not stupid and will have known he needed replacements for Lukaku and Herrera. Maybe he took a long term view and he's been unlucky with injuries but he will have known he was in for a very hard season.

It seems to me players are viewed as investments and are judged not by their value to the playing squad rather assets of the Club.

Awarding new contracts to the likes of Rojo, Jones, Smalling etc is merely to protect their asset value and has nothing to do with their value to the team. What the Club don't seem to understand is a players value plummets when they don't play or are continually injured and their presence in the squad is of no value to the team. Nobody will buy them because their on insane wages. The players don't have to worry because even if they don't play they know they'll be offered a new contract to protect their value so the Club just ends up with lots of average players on sky high wages stealing a living.

The Club must appoint someone with some footballing experience and expertise to sort this madness out.

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25 Jan 2020 21:49:58
It's not buying for the sake in buying BIG V, the club said that they will buy players in January if the ones they want are available.
We know fernandes is available, ed002 has said saul from atletico is available for €100 million I think and apparently dembele is available at a certain price, injuries permitting at Lyon. That's 3 players we have interest in, and all possibly available.
If the club were really backing ole, they would stump up the cash for fernandes and the same with Saul as we are desperately in need of midfielders.

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25 Jan 2020 22:00:40
So Ole is on the way out and transfer cash is being saved up for a new manager in the summer Darv?

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25 Jan 2020 19:38:13
Given the serious problems both on and off the pitch, we need to still push on, get Bruno and try for Somare from Lille, play 442. Play Bruno at 10 with Martial at 9. Then a strong Midfield four with the options when both McTominay and Pogba are back. We could have Somare, Fred, Matic, James, McTominay and Pogba and the rest (lingard etc) when really stuck. With 15 games left from February, mad as this sounds, top four is still possible. During the summer get in a new Manager and DOF we could attract some quality players too. Two good signing could change a lot for us, believe.

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25 Jan 2020 20:19:40
But we aren’t going to get them.
If we do sign two it’ll be some random journeyman striker on loan and possibly a 16 year old kid for 30m.

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25 Jan 2020 22:03:07
Bellingham was first reported in the Birmingham Mail as interesting United with a price tag of £15million, it was picked up by the nationals and it suddenly became £30 million.

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25 Jan 2020 14:40:48
Rojo heading out on loan back to Argentina. Young already left.

Seems strange that when we are stretched so thinly with injuries and a lack of squad depth that the club are moving players out of the club.

Surely this must mean someone at least is coming in? Or have the powers that be decided that we are to be a football club without players?

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25 Jan 2020 15:07:49
Just think of all the money they are saving shappy on wages.


It will be a decent season if we can finish in the europa spots with this team.

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25 Jan 2020 16:15:37
I agree Shappy. If they are clearing players out there must be some coming in. The whole squad is stretched so thin.

Tuanzebe is nearly back. Dalot also. Ut the risk is always that they can break down again.

I would rather have kept Smalling and Rojo over Jones. But then again who would take him?

Bailly. Dalot and Tuanzebe back could be reason for Rojo and Young going. Midfield is paper thin.

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25 Jan 2020 16:15:37
The Eds will know more than us, but are Utd anywhere near breaching FFP limits and so plenty have to leave before we bring any new players in?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

25 Jan 2020 16:36:11
In 2000 years time when dig up the remains of the ancient Old Trafford, they will find the remains of Phil Jones, he'll still be there 😂.

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25 Jan 2020 16:52:37
Feeling there will be 2 coming in next week. Hope springs eternal.

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25 Jan 2020 17:54:10
Tbf to the club we are not stretched in defence, we are very much over subscribed. With young and rojo we had 3 right backs, 7 centre backs and 3 left backs.

On the other hand we are severely understaffed in midfield and lacking up front and then completely malnourished on the right wing.

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25 Jan 2020 19:36:05
I think this is the clear out that Ole intimated in the summer which did whatever reason never fully happened. For all his faults he is at least looking to clear those we see as deadwood.

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25 Jan 2020 19:52:27
I'm in the wait and see camp. i'd they come they come if they don't they don't i'm not too bothered about signings this window.
We will have a few ups but likely more downs between now and the end of the season.

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25 Jan 2020 18:12:38
I'm not convinced anyone is going to come in. It's taking hell of a long time. Will be absolutely criminal if we dont. I just really worry for the rest of the season with this squad as it is. We could slip down the table very quickly.

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25 Jan 2020 22:32:09
Maybe just a case of the club just being grateful that there were offers on the table for Young and supposedly now for Rojo that might not be there in the summer -thought admittedly they would both been handy for the Tranmere game.

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25 Jan 2020 13:10:15
The next few weeks could be a rather bumpy ride. I'm assuming we beat Tranmere, granted we've been poor but we really should have enough in the tank to beat them.

Then it's city in the cup, followed by wolves and Chelsea in the league.

If we lose all 3 of those games, which is entirely feasible, I think Ole will be sacked. We'd have been dumped out the cup by a major rival and falling further behind in the top 4 race, not to mention our previous 2 league games have been losses, so I don't think Ole will survive it.

However, I think we'll lose to city, but I only narrowly as they'll likely be a little less aggressive given their 3-1 lead, lose to wolves, who let's face it, are much better than us at the moment, and then beat Chelsea, because we'll likely turn up for that game, and that will be just enough for Ole to scrape by and continue for the season.

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25 Jan 2020 14:23:15
I wouldn't assume anything at this point 😂.

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25 Jan 2020 15:54:06
City are a better team than us. Laporte is back which is a huge boost for them.

Wolves have been a tough opponent since their return to the EPL. They knocked us out of the FA cup last season as well as beating us in the EPL.

Tranmere, on paper is a win. This is the FA cup. Shock results happen.

Will. OGS get. the sack. i'd he loses the next 3 games?
I'm my opinion no. The Ed's have already said United are reluctant to sack him. I'm clutching at straws here, but if Pochittino was to be our next manager, I think Slurs would be owed money within a certain timeframe if he got another job.
That is, if the reports in the press are true?

Realistically he is here until the end of the season. The club may wish to. give a new manager a a pre season etc. Also if they buy players now would the new manager want those players around?

The brutal truth is that we are shambolic. 5th place is an the achievement in my opinion. Were four ate that other clubs have been so poor this season. The harsh reality is we may indeed find ourselves I'm a relegation battle since there is only 13 points that separated us from the relegation zone.

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25 Jan 2020 16:23:23
Talk of relegation again 🤦‍♂️.

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25 Jan 2020 16:59:48
We're not getting relegated. I mean, sure, it's possible, but highly unlikely. I think 10th or so is entirely feasible, as is 4th. We'll finish top half of the table but likely outside the top four, and I think the only way to make a good case for us getting 4th is if the next week has us signing two decent midfielders and a new manager.

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25 Jan 2020 18:31:20
4th nowhere near attainable - but clearly we won’t go down!

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25 Jan 2020 18:43:20
When Martial was out earlier in the season. Rashford was getting really slated around that time for such poor form. I believe Martial made his league comeback off the bench in the liverpool draw at home it was only then Rashfords form picked up. During the period Martial was out we won 1 league game out of six, 2 defeats and 3 defeats. I'm expecting similar type of form now again I don't see us getting 4th. Every chance chelsea have given us we keep blowing it.

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25 Jan 2020 19:39:22
The point I was making was that with a bad run of results we can easily slip down the table. The problem us we are low in confidence.

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25 Jan 2020 19:45:05
2 defeats and 3 draws I meant to put. Sorry.

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25 Jan 2020 21:05:49
Completely agree Mad Hatter. Imagine an injury to Martial or Greenwood or even both. Who will score the goals? We struggling for goals as it is. We desperately need a player or two.

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25 Jan 2020 12:10:25
Hi eds just wondering with all the disenchantment going around atm about solsjkaer, in your educated opinion if united were to loose mid week against city and wolves saturday next, and with break coming up, might solsjkaer be sacked and a new manager appointed. Or will they leave solsjkaer in charge at least until the end of the season.

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{Ed002's Note - See numerous previous answers.}

25 Jan 2020 16:51:36
The club have a plan b, which is to remove the manager, they have even supposedly reached out through intermediaries to potential other managers. Yet they are reluctant to pull the plug, the reason for that isn't clear though, and will probably vary between the different decision makers involved.

Previously the club has shown a united front and have publicly backed the manager right up until they pull the trigger.

They even released statements backing LvG the day before the FA cup final, then on the day of the final after winning the cup they sacked him.

To me this means the first you will know about the club deciding to sack the manager will be when you see the " " banner roll across the sky sports news screen.

The best thing you can do is support the team, cheer them on and just wait and see what happens and when. Otherwise you'll only do your nut trying to second guess everything.

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25 Jan 2020 15:03:14
Yhe board gave already said their backing ole so don't think it matters what happens this season.
I know thre is some top class managers out there like poch allegri and so on but I would to agree with tony cascarino tipping bielsa for it I. love his style of football never forget his athletic Bilbao team coming to old Trafford and played us off the park.
Hes got Leeds playing great football with limited budget aswell imagine what he could to do with some serious backing.

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25 Jan 2020 22:19:31
Bielsa could be entertaining, doesn't he have a history of falling out with the management board over transfer dealings.

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25 Jan 2020 11:05:59
Apparently we've added an extra 5million euros to the Bruno deal and exspecting to get it wrapped up? Any truth in this?

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{Ed002's Note - I don’t know what the proposal being put forward but I assume now that Manchester United know that earlier in the week, without dipping in to too much detail, an ex-Manchester United employee has been tasked by a third party with talking directly with Bruno Fernandes regarding his thoughts on the options of other clubs that are being approached in regards to him being offered to other clubs now.}

25 Jan 2020 14:44:14
Thanks for the quick reply Ed appreciate it.

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25 Jan 2020 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 25th January 2020

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24 Jan 2020 23:34:30
Think Marc roca would be a fantastic signing, 40m release clause to I think. Like why can't we sign someone like that, still young about to take the next step up, price that isn't screwing us. Up off your arse Woodie please.

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25 Jan 2020 09:36:40
To quote ed002 "the release clause is of no relevance to Man United. "

And is he any good? Genuinely never heard of him?

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25 Jan 2020 11:06:23
Release clauses in Spain and Portugal are only applicable to other Iberian sides. It's a legal requirement they have to have in their contracts and not something we can take advantage of.

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25 Jan 2020 11:35:51
I think we should bring exit clauses in here.

They should be the total value of the remaining contract value of the players.

Would mean players wages are proportionally linked to their value and pull in the crazy transfers.

Down side is for small clubs but they get bent over anyway. would be better in my opinion and give players some freedom.

Imagine not being able to leave your job you hate for a dream job unless the new employer pays compensation? Well paid conscripts.

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25 Jan 2020 11:54:49
Utd Road, I have said something similar for years. The general consensus is that players are overpaid, yet the argument against that is they are paid at what the clubs value them at. If that is the case then why should a club demand more for a player than they feel he is worth and they pay him.

Something needs to be done to bring transfers under control, whether that is a cap on the transfer fee either by linking it to the players wages or by some other measure. Or there needs to be a cap placed on how much a club can spend on transfers per year, either an arbitrary amount or an amount linked to turnover, profit or wage bill.

Finances in football are out of control and something needs to be done to rein it in. I can remember Alan Shearer moving to Newcastle for 15m which is the equivalent of 28m today with inflation. I thought that was an insane amount of money for what was the best striker in the league. Now though players from the Championship can cost as much as 30m, its insane.

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25 Jan 2020 11:58:30
Why would he sign for us. Nobody else we are after wants to either. I hope united fans aren't falling for this spin of we are looking. It's true but facts are players don't want to come near or because A they have agents who can get them into better run clubs atm. B prospective players have eyes and ears and will not be ignorant to the on going shambles that is us unfortunately.

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25 Jan 2020 12:37:39
@roy the only way is up.

We’re on the same page Shappy :)

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