Manchester United Banter Archive June 25 2013

 

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25 Jun 2013 23:18:14
Good news that Tevez has left City. Although he is one my most hated players ever, he is still a top class striker who is immense when on form! Great to see him leave as it leaves city with less experience and ending up paying £40+ million on his replacement.

All the news with Cavani seems to be a load of rubbish too, only trying to get more clubs interested so someone makes a move.

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25 Jun 2013 22:24:55
Hi to all the Red devils here.
First time post mates, I am shams siddiqui from india an mufc fan and I am reading the post on this site regulary and I truly appreciate all the hardwork of all the guys here. I just want to share 3 things
1) keep doing the good work. 2) to all the edds please comeback because the ones who are abusing you wanted you out of this site and discussion and you all edds are helping them indirectly by not posting, so please be brave and stop your stike.
3) and last a question to all of you.
From the below players to whom you all want to see oftenly in our playing 11
A) Adnan janujaz.
B) Nick powell.
C) Larnel cole.
D) One of keane brothers.
Note: if wrong somewere apologised.
Waiting for all of yours precious replys.
Once a red always a red.

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Welcome shams. Adnan januzaj and powell are the most talented, to be fair i'd like to see all of them but januzaj the most due to his talent. Think janujaz along with powell will be special players

Singh

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Hi mate welcome,
I would like adnan to get more game time but imo powell is more ready in his development than him
Chris the REDman

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Hi mate and welcome!

I'm excited at the prospect of both Januzaj and Powell however neither are ready for regular 1st team action. Perhaps a good loan spell next season would be beneficial for both?

Cole seems to have talent but I think he'll come a little short of making it at United.

Michael Keane has improved a lot and did well on loan at Leicester. I think he could make a good squad CB in future but has a lot of competition right now.

His brother has great talent as a goal scorer but nobody knows how strongly he will come back following a bad cruiciate injury. Perhaps a season in the reserves would do him well to see where he's at?

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25 Jun 2013 22:06:52
Tevez to Juve for not much money; a good deal for Juve certainly.
Cannot doubt Tevez's ability and workrate and it was not that long ago we were all screaming for Fergie to sign him up.

Interested to hear whether or not people still harbour a grudge against Tevez for going to City?

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I hold no grudge, we had plenty of opportunities to sign him up but we didn't. Only offered it him after city came in for him. Always gave his all and no matter what still used as
A sub. He actually acted professional prior to moving to city, he seems to have changed a bit but I respect him, bar the rip fergie sign.
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Of course I do!

Brendan81

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No I harbour a grudge because he is nothing more than the definition of a mercenary

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I'd like to see a pic of SAF holding a 'RIP Tevez' sign in the next few days ;)

In all seriousness, I dislike the guys manner and perceived attitude but life's too short to bear meaningless grudges!

When he did play for us he gave his all whilst on the pitch and did start too many games on the bench IMO. I'll give him that.

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Gav

Top Top comment. How I wish most of us were on the same wave length! You are my favourite poster man HAHA.

Deeps.

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Awh cheers Deeps, love you too dude and agree with most of your posts.

Let's leave it at that because it's getting a bit awkward, lol ;)

HB

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Lol Gav, Right! before we get a "Get a room guys comment". That lightens me up, let's sell all of our players and buy the Haiti team :)

Deeps.

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25 Jun 2013 20:28:20
Simmo - "I really hope that he stays and sticks 20+ goals away this season to shut up certain people on here that have basically given up on him and thrown him to the wolves.
I can't believe the negitive sh*t off some of you lot saying were not ar*sed if he goes, get rid of him.
It baffles me it really does"

Simmo, if he stays, and knocks in 20 goals, I'll be delighted.

Nothing to do with any personal feelings I have about Wayne - it'll mean he's got his finger out and decided to fight for the right to play here, benefiting Utd as well.

I've said before many times, and Deeps knows this, despite any misgivings I have about ANY of our players, once they pull on a red shirt at the start of the season, the slate is wiped clean.

From what I can remember, I held my tongue all season with Wayne, despite his poorish form, and defended Evra, Giggs and Scholes, in the light of some ridiculous abuse.

But if you want to lower it to the level of juvenile, 'I hope to rub your face in it' comments, then fill your boots mate.

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He created or scored 30+ goals this season, for some of us, it's the way he's playing, not what he's achieving on the pitch. If Rooney regained fitness, tracked back all the time, showed passion when he plays, showed a quality first touch, misplaced only 5% of his passes, but only scored 10 goals, I'd be happy!

Nat

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Agree with you totally mate, been saying the same for ages, small minded people who ain't got to clue ripping the lad to bits, he'll be back all guns blazing after moyes has a word with him, and title number 21 on the way
BIGAL REDFOREVER

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You two are dreaming and confuse aging with lack of fitness blah blah blah. He is physically not what he was and will struggle this year as well.

More than happy to discuss if he does stay as the season goes on. We will lose on both fronts his transfer value and his astronomical wages.

If he is that great why does no one come in with a 40 million offer. The club will bite their hand for it.

Shahram

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"If he is that great why does no one come in with a 40 million offer. The club will bite their hand for it. "

Sharham, why did nobody pay more than £10m for Tevez? Because he's only worth that? I think in both cases you have to look at the whole package of transfer fee and wages.

If a club wants to get rid of a player on major wages then they are in a bad negotiating position and will have to accept a fee lower than what might be seen as open market value.

p. s. this is not me saying we should keep Rooney but I think your point was a little simplistic.

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Agree with the original poster. He did have a poor season last year but he still contributes to the team and has put up with being played out of position when others wouldn't. I also noticed that no-one jumped on van persies back when he went through a bad patch? If Rooney goes he goes but me personally would like to see him stay and regain his form, because a Rooney and van persie playing together on form would be quality.

Gman1286

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HB

All I was saying was if people in the industry thought he would be back to his best they will pay his wages and his transfer value would be much higher.

There is a direct link to a players transfer value and taking his wages into account if they thought he had another 4 or 5 great years ahead of him. Would anyone honestly put money on that and why would the club want to extend him and burden themselves with the financial cost. The risk reward ratio is too skewed to the negative returns side .

I guess people tend to forget that all sportsmen do decline with age and some at an earlier age than others and he is physically never going to be what he used to be and I honestly believe that is what is going on with this boy.

We better look for 2 replacement strikers in the next few years as RVP will also at some point will decline and Welbeck is never going to be the answer.


Shahram

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Gav

Please come up with one of your balanced "Rooney" posts. Its really getting mightily over the top. I will take the blame partly for this. But then when you listen to statements like "our wingers were in better form than him", "kagawa was easily playing better than him", its hard not to bite.

Stevie

I would probably agree for the first time that what he did back in 2010 was stupid and shocking. He was completely at fault, this time, I have no doubts SAF is throwing him under the bus. So in a sense it is payback time. But when people come in here saying he is just sh!t on a football pitch, you can't help wonder what next? I mean he is fat, pathetic first touch, no pace, can't beat a man, shocking passing, zero control. So he plays for AFC DIDSBURY.

Deeps.

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Gman1286 - I would say the opposite.

He HASN'T put up with being played out of position, hence the end of season 'discussion' with Fergie.

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Stevie K
Fair do's I just meant he has done it more than others would have. let's see if he is still here in August and we can all pass judgement as I am sure if moyes doesn't think he's fully committed he will be sold this summer.

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Deeps

I have never said he is a s*** footballers as some others may have. Whilst this theory goes around that he is unfit and hence his indifferent form, I have a different view. I believe since his ankle injury and playing him against Bayern a few years ago he has never seemed right or been the same. I do agree that his lack of discipline in his lifestyle choices is also not helping because I guess the older you get the harder you should work at it to stay at the top level.

When you take his compensation into account he is in the top 5 or 6 footballers worldwide but we are not getting a top 5 or 6 quality of play.

I think years of football has taken its toll and he is physically going to struggle going forward and given his ego and expectations he will demand top wages in an extension scenario which does not make any sense.

I read somewhere in an interview he gave where he says somedays after a game he has a hard time getting out of bed and walking, where he also said in his earlier years he had no issues. It is the human body mate and we the demands of the PL has taken its toll on him.

Shahram

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Deeps I am partially retired from posting on Rooney, it got me nowhere lol!

Too many poster's look at the extremes on this subject - on both sides.

TBF there are other's who can post a balanced view, StevieK tends to see both sides even though he's not a Rooney fan.

There's no point debating with certain people because they will never give in to any point, no matter how small.

HB

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25 Jun 2013 19:04:34
Can you update us on the Thiago front as I think everyone is confused?

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We made an offer barca made an offer he made a decision. to be continued

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25 Jun 2013 18:21:02
Hi guys sorry for not posting in a while! two questions

1. Who has exactly p*ssed the ED's of that badly to make them go on strike?

2. Why do you all seem to love kagawa? I know he had a good game against Italy but that seems to have blinded you all about the fact he has had a poor season! and before anyone says anything about his position he had plenty of opportunities all across the midfield!

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1. Someone's p*ssed them off real bad. Rather than just block those posters or just name and shame them the ed's have gone on strike. Give them time. Hopefully they'll be back soon.

2. I bet you've never seen Kagawa play before he joined us. He was a revelation at Dortmund. Don't dismiss the fact he was indeed played out of position countless times for us btw. His best position is in the hole behind the striker imo. Hopefully Moyes gives him that role. What you also have to take into consideration with Kagawa is how much of a change he had to go through coming to Utd. Different style of play, different country etc. He was also injured for a long time last season and only played 90mins of a prem game on 4 occasions.! Give him time mate. I predict he'll be our best player next season.

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Kagawa did not have a poor season, he missed a lot of games due to a knee injury, and this sudden love of Kagawa is not sudden, we all know he is a top player with a lot of potential.

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25 Jun 2013 19:59:45
Looks like we got out two central midfielders but what about our wingers. Nani, young, Valencia are not good enough and Zaha will take time to settle in. Who do you guys think will come in?

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25 Jun 2013 20:56:13
If Zaha will take time to settle in then so will anyobe else we sign. Valencia and Young are likly to stay and remain good squad options, if the former recovers his best form then he'll be more than a squad option. Nani will more than likely leave, but Zaha is his replacement. We then have the young Januzaj coming through. And although he won't be ready for next season he should be for the season after. So anyone we buy would hinder hos long term chances and block Zaha from playing in the short term which will slow his ability to settle.

I wouldn't be suprised to see us stick with what we have, Valencia, Young and Zaha with Welbeck and Kagawa who can play wide if needed. Then maybe see one of Valencia or Young leave next summer with Januzaj taking their place in the squad. We would then have options of Zaha, Welbeck, Januzaj and either Valencia or Young.

I also wouldn't be suprised to see us play with only one winger next season in a lot of games, that way we would still be a danger on the counter and have someone who can run in behind, but by replacing the other winger with a midfielder means we should be able to have more control of the possession and thus the game.

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Desired
Who r our centre midfield then no signing as of yet.
Danny boy

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25 Jun 2013 19:41:50
What's with the Chelsea presence on our page? Rambling on about next season etc. Its a shame the way some breeds of people have to live. In secret Awe. I'm no psychiatrist, but I can see the hurt. The green faces. It's such a pity these people have children.
When I talk to my children, I tell them that, "Oh Chelsea are going to be a threat. They have good players like Mata and Hazard. I suspect they bring back Lukaku, who will be a very good player next season. Blah blah etc". And I do the same with every team who are a threat.
But what they tell their children about us (as do certain others) is ruthlessly unfair to them? They are led to believe we scraped the league last year and are not a threat?! Year after year we get this, lol.
I'm glad the majority of our fans are modest. Even through all the abuse we get for our glory.
I suspect that it's a case of people throwing stones in glass houses. As Roman WILL get bored 1 day. Whether it be 5, 10 or even 20 yrs. It'll happen. And I feel that pity for them now already. lol o/ O/ |O| /.

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25 Jun 2013 17:48:46
Garay and Strootman to sign

Tiago will stay on at Barca

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Thiago to united is sealed.

Only confirmation required.

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25 Jun 2013 17:48:04
are we eyeing up tin jedvaj, young croation kid?

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25 Jun 2013 16:17:30
I miss the EDs

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25 Jun 2013 16:13:13
Hey Ed any news on Evra? I heard Monaco were interested in him, although I do not know much about it. Also, Vidic is holidaying in Ibizza and some newspapers reporting that Milan want to take him. have you heard anything?

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25 Jun 2013 15:47:50
Can someone explain to me what happened and what's going on with the ed's I missed it?

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A lot of trolling and stupid comments where made towards the Ed's. As a result they are on strike. Or at least that is how I understand it.

RedDub

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*clears throat*
Try the search function.
;)

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Didn't notice they had gone

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They say there on strike, probably just taking a couple of weeks holiday ;)

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Sak,
That might just be my favourite post ever.

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I heard a rumour they had been sent to the Coventry pages.

I we can't tempt them out with our requests then perhaps humour will convince them how much we miss them.

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Yeah none of the Eds are on here at the moment so you rumour where they are. I wonder who actually puts our posts up on here then? DIME BAR!
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Soft on the outside crunchy on the inside!

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25 Jun 2013 15:18:58
Does anyone else think villa would be a good by could get him for about £10 million and he would be perfect foil for RVP, very unselfish and a great team player. Dependant on Rooney going would mean another top draw finisher that wouldn't cost a lot allow more money for ronaldo deal

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No. First, Villa, at 31, is on the downswing of his playing career and buying him would be going against Utd's general policy of going for younger players and developing them. Second, he wouldn't fit right into our system. We have a surplus of wingers at the moment and adding him as the lone striker would take away time from Hernandez (who IMO is better than Villa right now), Welbeck, and any other youngsters we may try to break into first team. Third, while 10m may not be breaking the bank, it would still be wasteful to spend it on a squad player when we need players who can really fight for first team. Fourth, Villa would want semi-high wages which we could instead use towards first team players.

I rate Villa highly and loved watching him years ago. Unfortunately he is not the same player as he was then.

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He's not the same player due to the fact he's had 2 seasons out injured.

I feel he would be a good aquisition and a proven striker

ALDUtd

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I would class it in the same bracket of us buying Michael Owen, brings experience, will still score goals and was a fantastic player. So all opinion really, however the emphasis on this post for me is "WAS a fantastic player", like Owen he is certainly not the player of a few years ago and unlike Owen (who I certainly didn't want anyway) he wouldn't be free he would be £10m, he is still a level above Owen was when he came but personally I wouldn't want him, think he would be a good signing for an Everton or Villa, a star player to lift the team for a couple of seasons mainly by his name though
Invisible STuey

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I'd take him. He's never been a player to rely too heavily on pace - and so his age isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.

IF Rooney goes - what other top strikers are available right now?

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He would def score 10-15 goals per season, so if rooney goes, he would be a great asset.

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25 Jun 2013 14:58:25
The Rooney debate has reared it's head again today so these are my thoughts.

He is going into the last 2 years of his contract and so we have 2 options. We can either offer him a new one or sell him as we can't let him get to next summer with only a year left. I can't see us offering the same money as his last contract so I think any offer will be for a 4 year contract on a lower basic wage of say £125,000/week with add ons taking it up to nearer the £200,000/ week mark. This would mean he would have to look after himself a lot better and keep himself in the correct shape or he won't have a chance of getting the add ons as he won't be playing/scoring etc.

The question is will Rooney and his agent spit their dummies out as they feel he is far too important for such a deal? I believe the answer would be yes. Therefore, I believe he will leave the club this summer to the highest bidder who will hopefully be a foreign club.

If he was happy to sign the kind of deal I have mentioned above, I don't think many would be against him having another year to prove he can get into shape and stay that way. But, I don't think he will and to let him run down his contract or give him another ridiculous one would be stupid and many fans definitely wouldn't be happy with that.

As much as people live in the past and remember the Rooney of 3+ years ago, he is no longer that player. He is losing his pace and his first touch. His short passing isn't good enough for him to be a first choice CM or number 10 so I don't see how he now fits in. I loved the old Rooney as much as anyone and defended his every mistake but it is time to go our separate ways and plan for the future.

A summer of Garay, Shaw, Strootman, Thiago, Lewandowski/Jovetic would, I believe, set us up very very well for the long term future not just the next couple of years. Playing a 4231 formation I think is the way we will go and so extra wingers won't be needed as we will have Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Zaha if we need to change it about. A midfield of Carrick and Strootman behind RVP, Kagawa (number 10), Thiago who in turn are behind either Lewandowski or Jovetic would be very strong going into next season and I would be very happy with that.

Brendan81

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This is a good post and I agree that it is time for rooney to leave. If we could get 30 million for him I would accept in a flash. The signings and proposed formation looks good however I don't agree with one thing. Why put the leagues top goalscorer on the left wing? it just doesn't make sense. If Rooney is sold we should sign Thiago, Strootman, Garay, Shaw/Baines (Baines would be my preferred choice to go straight into the team) and a player who can play on the left side of an attacking 3, not a striker. Someone like Julian Draxler or even El Shaarawy would be brilliant. A team of De Gea/ Rafael, Vidic, Garay, Baines/ Carrick, Strootman/ Thiago, Kagawa, Draxler/ RVP would be great and would surely do more than just win the league. We don't need a new striker to play that formation, Hernandez deserves a chance and at a push Welbeck and Zaha can play upfront.
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Bradders, I just don't see us getting someone like Draxler/El Shaarawy and there aren't that many high quality options out there available at a good price. The front 4 I mentioned would be able to swap and change and move around all over so it wouldn't affect RVP's goal ratio a huge amount and we would have plenty of goals from Thiago, Kagawa and Lewandowski/Jovetic to add to them. I think it would work very well if it was how we set up.

Brendan81

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25 Jun 2013 16:11:20
I agree with everything you said about from how you'd use van Persie. I don't think we'll get Lewandowski and don't think we're in for Jovetic. I think one more forward though and van Persie up top with the other signings would be a very strong team. MrE

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I agree that Draxler is a doubt because of him just signing a contract with Shalke, however El Shaarawy may be a possibility as Milan have said that they would consider selling for a price. I would say £30 million may be this price and I think the same would go for Draxler if a deal could be pushed through. If we could sign a good wide attacking midfielder/ winger I don't think we would require a new striker. I think there are plenty of decent options out there such as the two mentioned above and players such as Lamela, Di Maria, Gaitan, Ljajic, Iker Muniain. Some of these would be cheaper than others obviously but I think this is the type of player that we need because we really lacked on the wings last season and the day of the old fashioned winger is numbered. I think if we were to put RVP on the left we would have the same issue as with Rooney being unhappy because of being played out of position. Although I will admit that the thought of us signing Lewandowski is irresistable.
bradders

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25 Jun 2013 14:55:30
Well it was pretty clear from the replies, as I expected of course that panic has set in, some pretty poor banter there gents, especially CTR, I'm assuming in your squat you're well acquainted to Vermin.

Moon, little surprised at your reply, thought you had a little more nounce than that.

Sydney! not in the least surprised, you'd say Utd were going to win the premiership if you had Quasimodo, Tigger, Captain Scarlet and Dangermouse in your team ;-)

You guys can try and hide behind the concerns all you like but they're there and they should be.

What went before counts for nothing, you are in a completely new ball park. Your team is top end heavy with mediocrity. Your one alleged World Class player, I know you guys love that term, failed you when you need him most, just like he did Arsenal.

Kagawa has yet to prove his worth, you have a lot to do with an unproven manager who only has to struggle in those first 6 games for it all to go pear shaped. Everyone is gunning to kick you further down.

No one forgets how the worst of you act.

Doing it the right way Syd is playing football with quality players. Not that turgid dross you lot put up last season.

Marcellus Wallace. made up name. I LMOA!

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Do go away and talk rubbish with the other rent boys and pensioners. Oh and how exactly do you laugh your off ass?

Brendan81

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Yawn. if we're so bad why did we win the league and finish on joint points with man city whilst you finished outside the top four and 3rd.

You should be concentrating on your own rent boys and how your failing team is going to improve.

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The dross last season that won us the league?

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Marcellus Wallace:
Indulge me, if you were forced into making a bet that could ultimately destroy your life if you got it wrong.
and the bet would be. who will win the title next year.
who would you bet on?
I am a Everton fan, and think the league will be wide open this year (imo)
but if I was forced to make such bet I would be hard pressed to bet against united when winning is all they seem to do.
They won last year playing 'such Dross' what does that say about the competition. and their mentality.

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Laughed my off ass?
That made me LMAO.
Go home mate, about as welcome as a voice is at Stamford Bridge.

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Its funny Marcellus! You spend lot of your time on this page. Either you are jealous or a true attention seeker. Go troll on your page buddy.

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25 Jun 2013 16:33:08
Wow Brendan81,

That says it all about you, the best you could do was pick up on that. You are almost as big a leg end as CTR.

At 32 maybe you should have grown up a tad more than your poor attempts at banter show.

The bet would be that we win it. Like I said Utd will be fighting with Martinez and the Everton boys for the Europa.

You hang in there Brenda. PMSL at your poor poor attempts at being funny. I guess you do have the edge over CTR in that you can just about spell yourself. Key board being way easier than those big crayons you're used too.

I note you all to a man or girl Brenda have avoided the relevance of it all, just the usual trotted out excuses. Not long to wait though.

Marcellus Wallace

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Haha I really get to u Marcellus dnt I lol, wot was it? The fact that u came here expecting to wind every1 up and leave with more questions than answers about your rent boys? Or that people really just treat u as the laughing stock u are?
On vermin, yes I have seen more than enough to know one when I see one, u must remember we had to deal with liverpool fans well before chavski fans.
I give it 10 years before we hear the qoute of ''who remembers when chavski won the league?'
You need to a rich dictator suger daddy to prolong ure success, u have no class, no loyalty and it would seem no sense as u keep coming back for more.
How much have u spent over the last 10 years just to become the 2nd most successful team in england?
Haha bless ya, dnt worry mate your cockyness is not a surprise to any of us after all we all no how your fans end up after a few months, I give it 6 months till the 'Rafa in' chants ring around that library u call a stadium.
Chris the REDman ( still amazed at your total lack of football knowledge)

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Chelsea and City are plastic clubs. Or toy clubs if you would prefer that label.

Just remember without Roman you would probably be in the Championship now.

On the brink of administration and we know what happened to Leeds.

Sydney!

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I have ignored all the dross from Mr Wallace up until now, but I would just like to say that to be fair this is meant to be a banter page and he has posted what he sees as banter.

It is clearly a joke and is meant to wind us up, what banter should be. It isn't offensive it is just daft.

He says 'what went before counts for nothing' and then in the same post 'that turgid dross you lot put up (with) last season' Make your mind up Marcellius, does last year matter or not?

Your obsession with CTR is worrying to be honest, do you fancy him? It is like a schoolgirl crush throwing little insults his way to get his attention, quite sweet actually.

I could go on but there isn't much point is there, you know what you are saying is rubbish you don't need anyone of us to tell you.

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I'm touched Marcellus, but i'm afraid the feelings u harbour for me is one way.
Ouch the sound of a cracked heart : (
Chris the REDman or CTR if u like :)

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Indeed Sydney except the fact we beat Real Madrid in the 1971 Cup winners cup final is that the only insults your fans have 'No History Chelsea' do some research pal what next 'Chavski' it's boring like I said yesterday keep that trophy Glistening it will be back at the Bridge next season.

CFC1905

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Lol yeh Syd its really boring now explaining to Chavski fans about how if it wernt for Roman there great club would be in the championship at best!
I mean come on! They have earned everything they have got the right way!
Please CFC its boring now how ure only come backs are of the spoilt kid kind, U are a nothing club that most teams in the world would love to see the back of, U are a phase, a dot on the football radar, that will forgotten as quick as u came about!
No history, No class and no sense!

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Go away Marcellus, take your 7 year old, poor excuse for, humour back to whichever sh*t hole you crawled out of. Come back when your Messiah wins nothing next year and you decide to support whichever other club decides to try and buy title. You were probably a Fulham fan before the oil fella bought Chelsea some trophies.

If United fans ever want confirmation of how great it is to be a red, they need only check the number of supposed fans from other clubs who come on here and try and join in with our site. Their clubs and sites must be very poor, I wouldn't know though as I don't waste my time on other clubs pages!

Brendan81

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Keep it coming Marcellus, you've got quite a few weeks before the season even starts so all your thoughts are meaningless right now. We get the same posts from opposition fans each summer before the action starts. Funnily enough they tend to fade away throughout the season!

Tell me, will you and you chums keep cheering on your hero RDM each game? And you go on about us talking about the past, lol. Laughable, yet entertaining ;)

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Very articulate post Marcellus. Not quite sure how you lot are going to walk away with the league, with the same fantastic squad that finished 14 points behind the "dross" that we had last year. If we manage to complete signings for Thiago and Strootman, which seem quite likely now then we will be on a par with you're midfield and with far better options up front. Ya Shurrle is decent but hasn't exactly set the world alight. For all who think David Moyes is going to be our weakness, I believe you will be in for a big surprise. Oh and while you are on the subject of correcting people's spelling. I would say The Moon has plenty nuance but not sure if he would want to have much "nounce", whatever that means!

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25 Jun 2013 14:38:20
This is for the negative nigels. If we do sign Thiago would you be happy? Would you see him as a quality addition and part of the solution to our midfield issues, and evidence that we can compete against other big clubs to sign good quality players? Or would you just dismiss him as young potential who could be world class and bought cheap?

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Thiago is a top class player already with the ability to become a world class midfielder. No matter what he would be a great buy.

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Thiago is a world class player already who has the potential to be a world star. happy. I would be delighted
Invisible STuey

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I'd be happy, however. how do you fit him and Kagawa together in a team? Providing their strongest positions are both the same.

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25 Jun 2013 14:51:06
Can anyone tell me when David Moyes' first Manchester United conference will be?

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I would guess july 1st?
Chris the REDman

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25 Jun 2013 13:45:05
Guys, let's give the Eds a break, they have made their stance and they will stick to it.
It is a shame that this has happened, as freedom of speech is important, but the abuse they have been getting has no place on our site.
The Eds try to give their honest opinion, and of course, they don't know for sure who is going or coming at United. So what is the point of abusing them?
So until they feel the time is right to comment, let's give them a break and respect their decision.
Nomidfield

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25 Jun 2013 12:34:16
Thiago wants to join. his dad/agent have held talks with United and they want Thiago to join, Thiago now needs to tell Barca and is expected to do so within the next week.

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25 Jun 2013 12:34:04
Eds could you please explain, when you get the chance of course, why clubs are announcing signings already when surely nothing can be officially announced until after the 1st July?!
Many thanks,
Paul

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You can reach agreements but nobody is officially signed until July 1st

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When two clubs reach agreement with the player that he is leaving one club to join another and signed contracts to prove it, they can realise a statement saying this has happened. But due to the transfer window nothing can go though till the 1st of July 2013.

DL

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25 Jun 2013 12:32:22
come back eds its just not as good with out your updates looks like the end of this site : (: (: (

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25 Jun 2013 12:08:31
Shahram

You kicking about in Doha anytime soon?

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Yeah

I am there on the 10th of July for a day and then off on holidays. I am there a couple of days a month and have some staff on the ground as we have 2 projects, which are not scheduled to open till 2016/2017.

Ramadan is about to arrive so things are going to slow down a lot. Looking forward to some vacation time.

How often do yo go down there?

Shahram

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25 Jun 2013 11:33:17
A bit off subject! I f we do get Thiago what shirt number do you reckon he will get?

I believe he will get 17 (Nani will be sold soon)

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22 I think.

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7 as Valencia isn't up to it, Kagawa to get number 10 ;-)

Brendan81

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I would say 17. If his number isn't revealed immediately then we know we are waiting to sell someone to take it off them (probably).

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22

TRUMORS

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25 Jun 2013 11:31:46
A player we haven't been linked to in awhile who could be a really top signing is Alexis Sanchez. He would be tbe perfect replacement for Nani and I think he would work really well with RvP and Kagawa. His pace, movement and strength would stand him in good stead for the premier league.

He hasn't really settled at Barca, but that shouldn't be held against him. Many good players have moved to Barca and struggled to fit into Barca's very specific tactical set up. Ibrahimovic, Villa, Macherano, Song, Maxwell and Sanchez have all moved to Barca after showing their ability for their former teams but haven't quite made it at Barca. Its not a shock that Barca's best players have come through their youth system and been taught the Barca way since they were kids. If you look at Barca's best players Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Puyol, Busquets, Pedro, Fabregas have all played their formative years at Barca's famed academy. Only Dani Alves has moved to Barca and really hit the heights having never played in their youth system.

So the fact that Alexis Sanchez hasn't lived up to his potential in a Barca shirt doesn't worry me. In fact it could be a good thing as it could allow us to sign a top player for less than we would have if he had a great season.

A double deal for Thiago and Sanchez would be a great bit of business. And could be done for around the 30m mark. Two who would hugely improve our team and help us play a more attractive style of play.

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But Sanchez plays best on the left in my opinion so where do you play Kagawa unless Rooney is sold?

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Personally, I don't like Sanchez, he's a good player but I think he's very over-hyped and over-rated.

There are 3 wide players I would have that I would be 100% confident that they'll succeed and they are Pedro, Reus and Yarmolenko.

however all 3, seem a little out of our reach.

The Moon.

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25 Jun 2013 12:32:29
simple sell rooney play kagawa in the middle and have thiago and sanchez either side. Good shout shappy and a player i'd be happy to see arrive. MrE

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25 Jun 2013 12:40:04
I'd imagine Rooney would be sold. And if not then having a strong squad is vital. So having and Extra option as a replacement for Nani is good business.

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No name, Kagawa needs to be played centrally behind the striker. That is his best position and with him there we will get the absolute best out of him. If Moyes is to keep Rooney and beat the kebabs and fags out his hands with a baseball bat, he will play on the right of a front 3 behind RVP in my eyes. I think he will be sold though personally.

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Sanchez is totally over rated, and the fact he's not done well in the best team in the world, DOES wrorry me. They creat chances for fun at Barca and quite often their wingers have a one on one situations with the full back.
So if he couldn't shine with them, what makes us think he'll do well when he's got two defenders marking him?!
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Exactly TK-Red, there are an awful lot of people who are clinging to the past where Rooney is concerned. He was fantastic when he was younger and I am the first to admit that. The problem is that his pace is on the way out and his first touch is nowhere near what it was as can happen as players get older.

This shouldn't be happening to Rooney yet, but because of his lack of discipline when it comes to fitness and keeping himself in shape, it is happening to him earlier. I think he has peaked and is now on the way down. I honestly think he is on his way this summer and I won't be hugely disappointed tbh. 5 years ago I would have been devastated but we no longer have that Rooney and we never will have again.

Brendan81

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Don't know why my reply went onto this post, should have been further down.

Brendan81

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25 Jun 2013 10:42:11
OMG! WE WILL BID FOR CAVANI!. NO. NO we won't. Such lazy journalism - United looking to make a big signing, Cavani being too much for City so who does he get linked with? Us of course. Don't expect this one to come off lads.

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Well said lol i'm intotal agreement with you post

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25 Jun 2013 10:38:45
Come back Eds *In the voice of Rose in Titanic calling the life-boats after she freezes Jack to death. *

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25 Jun 2013 13:22:21
I like it, in fact it brought a slight tear to my eye sychlops.
What about thanking the ed's for their good work as in the end of Jerry Maguire, cuba gooding junior with tom cruise watching on the tv monitor.
"wait a minute I'm forgetting someone. Ed02, Ed04, Ed07 (and so on). you are our ambassadors of quan, " (snivel, snivel).
I need to wipe my eye's now, it always get's me.

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25 Jun 2013 09:24:21
The Star reporting this from 27 minutes ago.

THIAGO ALCANTARA has agreed a five-year contract and is set to sign for Manchester United.


"Old News" or New news? Just hope it is true and we can move on to other targets.

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I strongly believe he is coming and as usual we take quite a bit of time to tie up the looses ends. I am not too sure on Strootman funny enough.

Any signings will be delayed until Moyes is officially on the job which is next week. So expect another week of uncertainty.

Shahram

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The announcement will be delayed until Moyes is officially appointed.
I doubts signing the contracts will be delayed.
Would be stupid

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25 Jun 2013 08:50:17
let the bloke named Wayne "transfer request-never ever happy" Rooney warm Barca bench!

asif

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I would be amazed if Barcelona were interested in Rooney. Paul Stretford trying to get his client a bigger deal methinks.

Sydney!

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I would be amazed if Barcelona were interested in Rooney. Paul Stretford trying to get his client a bigger deal methinks.

Sydney!

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Give it a break, fergie landed him in it when he left and everyone is on his back. As posters keep reminding us, he's a United player and a superb player at that, so until something happens, let's not just kick him out.
If we do, can you please let us know who you suggest we can buy with his talent, experience, goals for £25m?
Nomidfield

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Not a bigger deal from us I would hope. Rooney claiming he didn't ask to leave and being at the club next season is one thing. Giving the guy ANOTHER pay rise is another thing entirely and, IMO, completely unacceptable. After behavior, and general lifestyle, in recent years he should be counting his lucky stars he is still at a club of our size and stature.

TK-Red

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Nomidfield didn't we buy rvp for that last season? And kagwas no 10 we wouldn't need to replace him with chicha and welbeck on the bench we would spend it in different areas ie midfield

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Rooney would still have to be replaced with a 20 goals a season player, hernandez is more an impact player and welbeck is well welbeck

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25 Jun 2013 07:39:19
Lol just to prove that the paper purely put out junk for sales, today we are apprently willing to match Cavani's buy-out clause! I dnt know where he will fit in with Fabregas, thiago, lewandowski, Ronaldo, strootman, garay and bale?
Chris the REDman

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Chris,

Wait and see how many on here suddenly have him on their 'ins' list when he hasn't been mentioned by one person on here the whole summer. It's a ridiculous rumour but probably so is the ronaldo one. If you throw enough s*** some sticks.

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If we believe all the names paper put in. we will have a new starting line up next season.
Although its good that no goal keeper has thrown in mix for long since ddg has silenced his critics.

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GDS your forgetting which formation we will play with cavani in the team with all the other players we havent/wont sign, you have to laugh, I do have high hopes for stroogman and thiago, though not enough to start putting teams nd formations up.

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25 Jun 2013 03:23:09
My two pence on the Rooney debate.

The way I see it, It's a question of whom do you want in the hole behind the striker. 3 yrs or so of a 27/28 yr old Rooney or 6/7 yrs of a potentially brilliant 24 yr old Kagawa.

This is why I like the thought of flogging Rooney for a quality winger. Besides, we've got RVP who can play there.

Lemme know what you think.

Cheers!

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I would play Kagawa before anyone else in the hole, the guy is a major talent. He needs to play in his best position.

In regard to Rooney, he wants to play as a striker but I don't think he is up to it anymore. Therefore where does he play? RVP is our number 1 striker and Kagawa HAS to play in the hole. If Moyes could beat some fitness into him then he could possibly play on the right hand side of a forward 3 behind RVP in a 4231 formation. That is a big IF though as he has huge problems keeping himself in shape, therefore I think we have to cash in now.

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"potentially" that's a big word and that's the risk.
Rooney is proven and has knocked in 20+ a season since he has been here.
Lets not forget that Rooney had a bad season last year due to injuries and Fergie decided to play him out of position for the majority of the season when hen actually did get a game.
Some people on this site forget what he has done for this club, at times he has carried the club on his back due to some of the average signings that we made over the years.
Rooney is a class player when on form and I would pick him over Kagawa any day of the week.
Kagawa hasn't proved anything yet and has even admitted that himself.

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I agree with simmo, Manchester United with a rooney in it is a much stronger utd. I think he's earned the right for one more season to see if he can get the old rooney back under a different manager in a position he enjoys playing without injuries.

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I agree with simmo, Manchester United with a rooney in it is a much stronger utd. I think he's earned the right for one more season to see if he can get the old rooney back under a different manager in a position he enjoys playing without injuries.

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Ok Strebor/Simmo, if you want to keep Rooney, do you personally think we leave him on his current contract with 2 years left, give him another 4 year contract on the same wages or offer him 4 years on less basic with more incentives?

If we leave his current contract and he is still fat next summer after another poor season we will get peanuts for him. If we offer him another 4 years on his current wage he can stay in poor physical shape and play badly but still be on a fortune. If we offer him another 4 years on less basic and more incentives, what if he rejects this which he may, what would you do then?

Brendan81

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Simmo - Its called short term memory loss and muppet levels of excitement to every new shiny toy. We will realize what Rooney meant to the team, if someday unfortunately he plays for someone else. Lot of Ronaldo fans in here, ever wondered who Ronny thinks is the best player he has played with?

Deeps.

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Brendan,

Agree with most of what you said.

Simmo,

No one here doubts Kagawa's potential and ability. My points were around 2 things:
1. Rooney hasn't been brilliant for the last 2 yrs at least and could Kagawa do any worse given his recent performances with Japan and with Dortmund earlier.
2. 3 years of "this" Rooney or 7 years of the Kagawa that we saw and were so excited by until his injury last year.

Strebor,

Where does that leave Kagawa?

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25 Jun 2013 11:23:38
But where do you play him? We've been moving over the last couple of seasons to a system with one central striker. And Moyes plays that way as well. Now for me that striker has to be van Persie. I also think Kagawa deserves to play centrally. Bear in mind he was played out of position last season far more than Rooney was. Rooney played the majority of his games in the hole. Both players had injuries, both had games out of position. Kagawa is the future though.

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Unless Rooney "Fix himself up" I would sell him. £25m Min we will get from him and reduced our wage bill by £12m a year! That money could be used on (My opinion only) Reus or Lewdonski

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25 Jun 2013 11:34:58
Ronaldo has said several times the best player he has ever played with is Paul Scholes. But I don't know what barring that has on the Rooney debate.

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If we go with a 4-1-2-1-2 with a fully sharp Rooney along side RVP with kagawa in the hole stoorman carrick and thiago occupy the midfield we could be quite a dangerous side. Even Hernandez up top with RVP

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Kagawa wasn't really that good last year tho

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Deeps,

Where would you play Rooney in your line-up.

Would Kagawa have a place in your line-up, if yes, where. given that his best position is the same as Rooney's and Klopp also thinks he's best utilized behind the striker rather than cutting in from the flanks and he is more likely to be around longer than Rooney being 4 yrs younger.

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United play more then enough games to accomodate all three of Kagawa, Rooney and RVP.

Kagawa could play in the hole and RVP up top. And Rooney play either position depending on which of the two is rested.

I don't see the problem to be honest.
Only Rooney whining again.

Problem would be palying Chicharito, but I think we can even keep him happy.

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And if RVP gets injured, who is going to bang the goals in?
It is a shame to see this want of selling rooney. Unless we have a readymade replacement who can get us 20+ goals a season, then we will be daft to sell him.
Also, United don't pay top dollar, so players like Lewi, Bale, Ronaldo and Cavani are out of our reach.
Nomidfield

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What is the difference between Kagawa 'potentially' becoming a class act and Rooney 'potentially' finding fitness and form? I know which one I would put my money on.

TK-Red

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Shappy

On more than one ocassion CR7 has said, the one player that has helped him the most on the playing field is Wayne Rooney. All I am saying is there are few on here who are labelling Wayne Rooney as nothing more than a pub footballer. May be Sunday league? 8 brilliant seasons and 1 bad season does not mean you call for someones head. Talking about players being loyal, fans treat it like a used cars shop. Hypocrisy may be?

Deeps.

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Japs

I would honestly play Rooney up top. But with Persie going great guns, he won't get a sniff now. So the hole for the next 2 years, if he stays. Why do I say that? If you had to put Rooney on the left or Kags, who would you put? Kags is better cutting in. He has got immense potential, but next year I will not expect him to be doing miracles. So for now Rooney gets the nod. Physicality will be an issue for some time with Kagawa.

Deeps.

P. S - I am honestly done with this topic. Will wait and watch what happens. I hope if he goes we buy someone world class and not except Danny Welbeck to take the mantle.

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Exactly TK-Red, there are an awful lot of people who are clinging to the past where Rooney is concerned. He was fantastic when he was younger and I am the first to admit that. The problem is that his pace is on the way out and his first touch is nowhere near what it was as can happen as players get older.

This shouldn't be happening to Rooney yet, but because of his lack of discipline when it comes to fitness and keeping himself in shape, it is happening to him earlier. I think he has peaked and is now on the way down. I honestly think he is on his way this summer and I won't be hugely disappointed tbh. 5 years ago I would have been devastated but we no longer have that Rooney and we never will have again.

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Deeps, I'd still be interested to see yours and Simmo's opinion on the options Brendan puts forward in a post above.

Looking at it purely from a business perspective, we're getting to squeaky bum time regarding his contract.

As for Ronny, I'm not one of the bring him back at all costs brigade, (though in jest once, I did offer my left testicle for such an outcome), and I don't get all warm and fuzzy at the memories he gave us, but the fact remains, he hasn't burnt any bridges, he's conducted himself well towards the club in the interim, and most importantly, he's a proper world-class talent, who remembers he's also an athlete.

If he'd said he wanted to leave us twice - first time quoting lack of ambition and being rewarded with a big payrise, second time because he wasn't prepared to work harder to be an automatic choice - started smoking and drinking, and didn't earn his astronomical wage, then I'd be loathe to have him back either.

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25 Jun 2013 15:21:23
The fans imo will forgive a player a bad season. But Rooney has treated the club and the fans with little more than contempt. As such he can't afford a bad season or the fans will turn on him very quickly. There are those of us such as Kloot who have never forgiven Rooney for the way he treated the club. Then there are those who forgave him only because of the commitment he shown the club on the field. This past season he has shown niether commitment on ir off the field and as such has alienated most of the fans with his behaviour. He is no longer a kid who's misgivings and be brushed aside, nor can he stand behind his agent. In Sir Alex's office there were only two people him and Sir Alex and during that disccusion Rooney showed his lack of commitment. And so Sir Alex didn't play him again. That wasn't his agents doing hut his. He feels he should be the highest paid player at our great club, he feels he should only have to put in half the effort of the other players and he feels he should be first choice in his prefered position. And he stood in Sir Alex's pressence and told him so. So in Sir Alex's last game in charge he revelled Rooney for what he is, thus taking away all Rooneys barganing power.

Now we are left with a choice, do we reward this poor excuse of a human being with a new bigger contract and watch him take the piss out of us and our club for another 3/4 years while he takes are money and puts little effort in. Or do we boot him out the door and rid ourselves of the whole mess.

Yes if he moves somewhere else he will have good games for them, and yes he may contribute to them winning titles. But there was a great club called Manchester United long before mr Wayne Rooney was born, and there will still be a great club long after Wayne Rooney's career is a distant memory of unfulfilled potential.

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So we are back to discussing morals and grading footballers in terms of humanity, obviously taking the moral high ground. We have done it before and I have stated my case before. It is a waste of time to be honest. Shappy - "Pathetic excuse of a human being" - You are being way too precious my friend. I would talk like that for someone who has done more than trying to get a fat pay check in his field of expertise. I didn't expect such a "pathetic" comment from you of all people. let's not get to the Bests the Keanes and the Ronaldos. Been there and argued my cerebrum out.

Stevie - We go a long way back honestly, bantering about this. But seriously there is nothing you don't know that I have to state. I rest my case friend.

Deeps.

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I really hope that he stays and sticks 20+ goals away this season to shut up certain people on here that have basically given up on him and thrown him to the wolves.
I can't believe the negitive sh*t off some of you lot saying were not ar*sed if he goes, get rid of him.
It baffles me it really does.
Nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes at United, everyone is jumping on Rooneys back just because Fergie said he wanted a transfer but who knows what happened. It could be Fergies parting shot at Rooney for the transfer request he asked for two years ago.
I think of all the goals and fantastic games this lad has given United and the crap what some of you give him is unreal and you call yourself fans.
One things for certain I will back Rooney all the way if he stays and I have no doubt in my mind that if he does stay Moyes will play him in his proper position in the hole behind RVP.

Simmo

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Well Simmo if he stays and he plays him in the hole why the hell have we got Kagawa? He has had a year to settle now and playing as a 10 next year he will do great things.

But hey let's play a guy who can't help eating, drinking and smoking so much that he can't stay in shape and fit. Anyone can see how good Kagawa is and he is a total professional, if anyone needs to be played in his proper position it is him and not Rooney.

My view has nothing to do with SAF, it is based on football knowledge and using my eyes the past 18+ months.

Brendan81

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With you all the way simmo

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Brendan81

You seem to get hung up on Kagawa having to play 'in the hole'. He plays cutting in from the left for Japan and played there a lot at Dortmund. I agree he's probably more comfortable played centrally but I don't see it as the big problem you do.

IF Rooney regained his form then I'd be more than happy with Kagawa to his left and a left footed player cutting in from the right, all behind RvP up top. The whole front 4 would interchange anyway so Kags could find himself in a central position quite regularly.

See how Silva/Nasri play for City in the 'wide AM' role, drifting inside. I think Kagawa could do well in this role.

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25 Jun 2013 20:48:07
Thats the problem though Simmo, what is Rooney's best position? He isn't a consisitant enough scorer to play upfront (his goals have always come in spells, and even during his good seasons he's had months where he hasn't scored), his first touch and his passing are too sloppy to play as a no. 10, and he doesn't have the explosive pace to play wide anymore. The fact of the matter is in key games toward the end of the season he was dropped for no reason other than the fact that he wasn't good enough to get into the team. RvP is a better and more consisitant goal scorer, Kagawa was playing better in the hole than Rooney was, and even our poor wingers were still in better form than him.

So where would you play him? His best performances for us have come when he's played as a striker, so he will have to either be better than RvP to get a place in the team or we will have to play with two strikers which with modern tactics could leave us wide open in the middle unless we played a three man midfield but then we would lack width.

Either way Rooney isn't first choice in his best or either his second best position anymore. So we are then having to totally change the way we set up and play in order to crowbar Rooney into the team. And like i've said his current form isn't good enough to compromise the team for.

So do we keep his as a very good squad option or do we thank him for what he's done and move him on?

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"Our poor wingers were still in better form than him"

Just goes to show how much people would distort facts to fit in their arguments. let's see who were our wingers? Valencia, Nani and Young. Do I need to say more?

Such poor form and ends up getting 16 goals and 16 assists. Kagawa ended up with 6 goals and 4 assists, so much for someone who is supposedly much better than Rooney and that's a given? Not a downer on kags, he will be one heckuvaa player, but people overstate and understate a player's contribution massively just to suit their arguments.

Deeps.

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25 Jun 2013 03:22:12
According to napolis radio station chelsea have agreed a deal to sign cavani.

This is according to euro sport!

Any of the eds heard anything?

Cheers ali g

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As long as we don't waste £50m on him I don't care.

Brendan81

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Agreed Brendan.

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25 Jun 2013 00:36:39
must say eds this site is no way near as good as it use to be without your input ( witty banter or the info u provide). I know I speak for all when I say please come back and don't let the stupid trolls beat u! PLEASE COME BACK from joey and I guess all the regulars

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