Manchester United Banter Archive October 25 2014

25 Oct 2014 22:46:05
Another loss for Dortmund today. If things carry on like this we might stand a chance of signing Hummels or Reus come January!

So hummels is not preventing them from losing matches!! But will suddenly turn into a man mountain when he comes to United.

You defend as a team, not as an individual.

26 Oct 2014 09:46:50
Feel sorry for poor Shinji, it's all gone t.ts up for him really hasn't it.

Ozwald - It's not like he'd be much better off at United.

26 Oct 2014 13:34:08
Never said he would be Redseven. Just unfortunate BvB are struggling soon as he goes back there.

25 Oct 2014 19:09:43
Watching Swansea against Leicester.

How on earth did we lose to Leicester and how did they score 5 on us is beyond belief. I was travelling and never saw the game and first time seeing them this season.

Have not had a sniff against swansea and do look very poor and most likely going back down to championship football.

25 Oct 2014 05:59:17
Boy we can be a fickle bunch. Januzaj was useless last week so we should dr him? Surely we need to show confidence in him. He was a revelation last year, people were drooling over him. He's clearly not hit his best form and LVG has not played him but we don't know why. This is where LVG can earn his money by getting the best out of him. 1 poor game and people want him out of the team. 1 good game for Fellaini and he's in.

However, I get people's views on RVP, he's looked out of sorts for a long time so it was odd to see him start last week and Falcao be on the bench. Really not sure what is wrong with him given he missed a lot of last season. He was incredible in his 1st year but has been off the boil for a long time now. Let's see who gets the nod tomorrow, hopefully not both as if we do play 2 up top we will get overrun by a very talented midfield.

I agree AJH.

Januzaj was our second best player last season behind DDG and he needs to be given time to flourish. Hope LvG can get the best out of him.

25 Oct 2014 07:55:15
I dnt thnk anybody is denying the fact januzaj should get more game time. But i think we need fellani to play tommorow to add some steel in midfield, our midfield is too light wieght and i thnk blind needs support, even rafael need protection as well so i wil play valencia ahead og januzaj tommorow. I think i wil bring januzaj as an impact sub whn players tire for chelsea game.

I wanted Fellaini to start ahead of Mata & Januzaj against WBA & Chelsea. Both for his aerial presence and because he makes things happen up top more than the other two do - Falcao or RVP will get more space and more to work off.

Whenever Januzaj has played this season and towards the end of his run last season he barely did anything in those games. He was very Macheda when he emerged and benefited from every other outfield player not doing nearly enough. Januzaj obviously has a lot of ability and is far superior than Macheda, but the media went well over the top with both players when they emerged, (especially because of the nationality issue with Januzaj - will he play for England etc).

Januzaj is suffering because of our lack of Europe big style. I think he will be sold in January and LVG risks losing value the more he plays him. I wouldn't sell him, but we need money to rebuild other key areas and frankly we can benefit for once from the hype.

He could have been great but because we are stocked with over paid and over rated players up top youngsters end up stagnating with so few games.

Januzaj should not play against Chelsea, he doesn't deserve to start. MK dons he was awful as well.

Adan is going to be a top player i'm sure lvg will use him wisely

25 Oct 2014 11:12:53
Beast,

You think we will sell our prize asset in January before his value decreases? Do you think he will only get worse than the poor form he is in at the moment? Surely the lad needs a run of games in the first team, he is a class above when he plays for the under 21s.

Is this you saying something to get a reaction again? Because I'm sure you wouldn't do that, you aren't a troll are you?

I remember a time when Ronaldo was deemed awful, and look at him now. Certain pundits on Irish tv gave him no chance, week in week out, he wasn't up to it, not good enough, and they were supposed experts.
We all go through a period of uncertainty, and it's important to release that januzaj is human too, where was anyone's head at 20-21. Frantic!!!!!

25 Oct 2014 12:29:35
Give Januzaj Giggsy' legendary number 11 shirt then sell him 6 months later? Beast you really do say some funny things

I agree with beast on this, I think Januzaj is quite over rated to b honest, he's very nani like in where one game he can do something great n then the others he's frustrating.
I would play the diamond against Chelsea with Fellaini playing behind Falcao and van persie. As beast says fellaini adds more going forward than mata and Januzaj, plus his height is a big plus against a big Chelsea side

25 Oct 2014 14:52:19
Diego, he's had one season with the senior team. He came in with no pressure because he was unkown, LVG has come in and changed the system up which is a challenge for even the experienced players to adapt to let alone a youngster. Why be so impatient and quick to judge?

I don't understand why people say Januzaj is overrated, he is rated what he is and that is a young talented player with potential to become top class, nothing more.

25 Oct 2014 15:04:25
Makes me laugh though, people now saying Fellaini adds more than Mata going forward?

Is that why Fellaini scored his first goal for us the other day after a full season with us while Mata has scored 8 and only came in half way through last season? Hmm I know stats don't always tell the truth but they make a pretty bold statement in this case.

I'd perhaps play Fellaini in behind the strikers instead of Mata or Januzaj because he offers a lot more defensively but we don't really want to take that approach against Chelsea at OT.

The difference Oswald is that mata was played in his position and took free kicks, so yea he got goals but have u seen mata do anything spectacular once since signing? His goals are always tap ins or free kicks same with his assists, as for Januzaj he was bigger up too much in his first season, as I said earlier he's very nani like, he's got potential yes but he needs to be doing a bit more for me to b in the first 11 never mind against Chelsea.

25 Oct 2014 15:48:32
Its a case of finding the correct role for januzaj, something where he can get games.

Didn't van gaal say something about van persie starting in the press conference.

25 Oct 2014 15:58:31
Blooding a young lad struggling for form against the top of the league sounds crazy. The last thing he needs is to be ripped apart by Hazard and crew.

Personally, I don't think januzaj is a no 10. He plays better when he's out wide. When he's older and wiser he might suit the no10 position, but for now, play him wide.

25 Oct 2014 18:59:45
Diego,

Regardless of how Mata has scored it's the simple fact that he's actually scored, tap ins you have to be in the right place at the right time which is a skill. Free kicks once again, if we get one in a dangerous area who would you rather have on the pitch? Fellaini or Mata? Have you seen Fellaini do anything spectacular since joining?! Your argument is flawed.

Like I said before Fellaini would only be played over Mata for his defensive capabilities, or if we were to play the long ball which I have a very good feeling is not in LVG's plans.

25 Oct 2014 19:01:13
Also you can't say Januzaj is like Nani when Nani had several seasons to prove himself as opposed to Januzaj's one, not to mention the fact he's still a very young inexperienced player that needs to learn a lot before coming the player everyone would like him to be.

I think like most young talented players he lacks in making good decisions with the final pass. That is what separates the good to being great and we will see if he gets there.

He is very young and maybe a bit selfish and will probably get more starts if he assists on a few goals rather than trying to score himself, which he seems to want to this season.

Ozwald
I wouldn't rule out lvg playing long .
Maybe not all the time but its a tactic he uses.

25 Oct 2014 20:04:25
Didn't take long for the Januzaj backlash to kick in , probably the same people who a couple of seasons ago reckoned De Gea wasn't up to it and we should get rid

My argument is that Januzaj shouldn't start against Chelsea. He's got talent no doubt but for me he shouldn't play. I wouldn't play fellaini every game but against Chelsea I would. Oswald what I'm saying is fellaini was never played in his strongest position, he may have scored more if he was

GDS2 - Chill out mate, what's with all this troll nonsense? I'm not saying I don't rate Januzaj's potential. I'm saying that I don't see where he fits at the minute due to lack of games the club has and playing him against Chelsea would be foolish imo - he isn't in form and has been over-hyped, surely that is fair enough - this time last year he was the next Ronaldo, has he progressed since then?

If we sign somebody like Reus who most of us want it means Januzaj is even further from the team next season, a year older, a year more stale and potentially losing value. This I why LVG might sell him for £20+mil, I said I wouldn't but it kind of makes sense if he doesn't fit the system or can't get a game. FFP is an issue as well.

Its alright saying you want Mata, RVP, Rooney, ADM, Januzaj, Falcao, etc to start every week but they can't all play and you have to pick the best. Mata & Januzaj don't deserve to start both on form and what they bring to a high paced Chelsea game.

I called Fellaini before WBA, I then said before half time again he needs to bring on the wig to create some space - he was our most effective player even without the goal. Certain games he is a major asset for, Chelsea should be one of them. Others it is pointless playing him in as we have better players technically.

Mata hasn't delivered, we will be under the cosh probably and Fellaini can add defensively as well as be a presence offensively.

Just saying players shouldn't play doesn't mean they aren't very good, it just means there are better options.

26 Oct 2014 01:42:15
You didn't say he shouldn't play, you said we will sell him in January, it comes across as trolling, simple.

Talking of the wig, I think its time he cut that hair and started concentrating on his football. Midfielders in particular have to be aware of who's around them, and with that stupid haircut, is it a surprise he can't see a thing!!

GDS2 - Learn to read, I have pasted what I said, I specifically say I wouldn't sell him, there are reasons why LVG might though:

"I think he will be sold in January and LVG risks losing value the more he plays him. I wouldn't sell him"

26 Oct 2014 11:20:28
Thing is beast, whether it's down to LVG or not if he's just managing short term, what makes more sense for the club? Allowing Januzaj to develop and possibly turn into a player of Reus's calibre or maybe even higher who knows or spend silly money on Reus and potentially risk him not living up to expectations thus wasting a lot of money.

I'm all for bringing in world class players but to bring one in, where we could potentially produce our own in that same position within a couple of years, seems like a waste of effort, time and money on the youth academy.

26 Oct 2014 12:20:01
Beast our problem with FFP is wages related not what we can spend. Januzaj isn't on huge wages and selling him for 20 million doesn't make much difference. Players like Young, Mata, Evans, Smalling, Valencia, Nani, Anderson are all more money and at risk of departing. We may even get a shock departure, both van Persie and Rooney are on large wages and if Falcao were to sign one of those could depart, most likely van Persie. There's still plenty of fat to be trimmed from the squad this summer.

It's tricky Oz, if we are playing our best team Januzaj doesn't play, most people have to agree with that. His progress is going to stall as it has over the past 12 months. What about Perreira as well? We are well stacked up top and frankly if we go to 4-3-3 we lack a world class wide player, waiting for Januzaj to develop by playing him will mean we are weaker short term and at the moment we have no choice but to think short term.

If we had started better and won against MK Dons, we could afford to gamble allowing youth to gain experience but as LVG failed in his first 3 months its all hands to the pump now. That's why I worry for Januzaj, he is worth more now because of his hype from last year, but giving him the odd game here and there, in which he doesn't deliver his value depletes over time in my eyes.

Who knows what will happen, but LVG gave him a chance and he failed to deliver, it will be a while before he gets another one, especially with Rooney back next week.

Yes MrE - I appreciate that point about wages. I think RVP, Mata will be moved on, as well as many of the players you mention. I just don't see him getting game time and he is a player that needs it to develop. I don't know him but he seems quite cock sure of himself, so I'm not too sure how long he will be happy being a rarely used squad player.

26 Oct 2014 14:15:53
No you're right in saying that he doesn't make the cut right now to be in our best starting XI but with youth players you need to give them game time here and there, when players get injured and so on until they force themselves into next weeks starting XI by playing well. It only takes one good game to start a decent run of form to then be included as one of the most influential players in a team. Look at Gotze when he cemented his position in Dortmunds team when Shinji Kagawa was out injured.

Januzaj needs more time, it's clear he has the ability to become one of the very best. No point selling him for around £20m then allowing another club to turn him into a top class player. It's safe to say we're missing out big time not having European and domestic cup games midweek.

He's playing bad because A: He's trying too hard to prove himself after losing his place to one of the new players that have been brought in and B: He's not being played in either of his comfortable positions which at the moment is right or left wing.

I think being given the no.11 shirt was a big sign of the faith the club have in him. Maybe a little bit of added pressure too. I'm sure he'll come good.