Manchester United Banter Archive September 25 2012

25 Sep 2012 21:27:04
Name that doesn't crop up much, Ciaran Clark. Now he could be useful as he is so versatile, can play CDM, CB and LB.

RedDevil19

I think he'd make an excellent squad player, I know some people will groan when I say this but he could be the long term replacement for John O'Shea. He was a very important member of our squad during a very successful part of our history. I think Clark could be a great option for us.

Shappy

I think he'd make an excellent squad player, I know some people will groan when I say this but he could be the long term replacement for John O'Shea. He was a very important member of our squad during a very successful part of our history. I think Clark could be a great option for us.

Shappy

He can't get into the Irish squad nevermind United!

25 Sep 2012 19:57:35
I thought now i'm ouuta work i've got more time to give a proper post on the managers job.

Firstly it is the biggest job in world football. And one of the toughest. There are the financial contraints and the pressure of coming into this league and keeping this club challenging both domestically and in Europe. Added to all that you are succeeding one of the greatest managers ever. A daunting prospect for many men.

We saw what happened in the 70's after Sir Matt departed a succession of weak managers who could not cope with the pressure or the legacy or even overhaul the team which was in dire need of it.

Another parallel is our good friends down the road who have had a succession of managers over the last 20 years none of whom have really got to grips with the size of the job or the pressure resulting in endless new dawns.

This seems to narrow the list to a very few select men.

Who i would say is on the list:

Jose Mourinho. The man most likely to succeed as the presure would not bother him, he would thrive under it. He would also soon cut Mancini down to size and would relish the task of wrestling the title from the neighbours and the task of overhauling Liverpools European cup record. Yes he would not come keep but you want the best then you pay it. Track record is secong to none, no language issues, used to big player ego's. He does play youth, he did at Inter and has at madrid and i think he'd play some of ours. Not sure he would need that much money either, perhaps enough for say 1 big marquee signing, but as we've spent around 50 million the last 2 summers thats not an issue. Then use the youth to plug that gaps.

Pep Guardiola. Knows what it is like to be part of a footballing dynasty. Good record on youth development. Not so sure of his buying record. And maybe has a lot to prove outside of Barca, but this could be a massive chance to show what he can do.

Laurent Blanc. Played for the club so knows the scene. Decent record with Bordeaux and France, might be a bit soon.

Other possibles include Klopp, Loew, Bielsa but theres cases for against.

I do not think Moyes should be anywhere near the United job. Its too big for him. Simple as. Yes he's done a marvellous job at Everton on limited means. But thats not the manager we want. I doubt Moyes could handle the pressure. Surely he's had job offers over the years, Spurs have been rumoured. But he hasn't moved. Loyalty, you say. Lack of ambition say i. I think if we go anywhere near Moyes it shows a lack of ambition from the club, we'd be falling into the mistakes of the past. And the entire we should give him the job because he's Scottish argument is crap. It'll count in his favour with Fergie yes, but i for one want our next manager to be more than a wheeler dealer who has a team that flits from relegation fringe to european places every season. If we are ambitious we should be saying ok City we're coming to smash you back into obscurity depsite your filthy lucre and then Scouse we're after those European Cup. Moyes is not the man. Mourinho would be.

Mort

Everton are just as big a club as Spurs. They're just lacking in the funding department!
Last 6 years: 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th.
Spurs: 5th, 11th, 8th, 4th, 5th, 4th.

With a good season and a cup win (almost happened in 2009), I'd stick a few quid on him getting the Big Job.
Definitely not the favourite but I'd like to think we do things differently at Old Trafford. Jose would stick around for 3-4 years max, and I'd prefer someone in it for the long-haul.

M.D.

Great post Mort!

G.A.G.U.S

26 Sep 2012 08:30:48
mike phelan everyone?

FG

Would love to see Jose at the club as he has an ego almost as big as Sir Alex which is needed with the size of club. The only thing that will stop him is the budget he does like to spend big. His ambition was always United or Liverpool and up to 18 months ago he was very possitive about coming. He has since taken a good look at the financial constraints that Sir Alex is working under and he has cooled a little on the idea. I AM KLOOT

Didn't realise you were on talking terms with Jose mate and know his innermost thoughts? Although I would hardly call a net spend of nearly £100m in two seasons "financial constraints".

I like Jose and think he's a top manager, but like you have said he always has a lot of money to spend. There will always be questions of whether he would be that great with a lower budget than other managers.

Sydney!

25 Sep 2012 17:52:49
Why is everyone assuming we're going to play all the young guns tomorrow? Newcastle will be tough opposition...Tiote and Cabaye in midfield will be tough to contain! The only young player I see starting is Powell. This is how I think we'll line up...

----Lindegaard----
Rafael-Carrick-Evans-Buttner
Valencia-Powell-Cleverley-Nani
---------Kagawa---------
---------RVP---------

Andy!

Newcastle and United have both said they are playing their weaker sides, to rest the main players for the league games.

-JakeW

Why do you assume that RVP and Kagawa will play. We have Chicha, Welbeck and Henriquez(possibly on bench and we have Macheda).It would be wise to rest Rafael, since the amount of games he played during the summer, that will include Cleverly(but I have feeling he will start), probably come as sub. Ando should start since he hasn't got much game and I really think he can be good for us. I will be annoyed to see likes of Scholes and Giggs on bench. Schole is my favourite footballer and simple most humble footballer. But he has been playing a lot past 4 games. So ideally, Wootton or Keane as defender possibly and preferably fletcher. Carrick is definitely playing against Hotspurs, I think he should get rest, even though Saf likes him a lot.

Ideally, to match the strength of newcastle midfield and attacking big players.

----------------De Gea------------
Keane/Wotton--Fletcher--Evans--Buttner
Powell--Anderson--Cleverly
Nani--Hernandez--Welbeck

Sub Lindegard, Henriquez, lingard(i would prefer Tunnicliffe), Valencia, Wotton, Ferdinand, Petrucci.


Red Samurai

____________DDG
Vermijl__Carrick__Wootts__Buttner
___Powell___Fletch___Anders
__L.Nani___Hernandez___Welbz

Henriquez & Rooney on bench?

Sydney!

25 Sep 2012 20:35:53
DDG
Fletcher Wootton M.Keane Buttner
Bebe Anderson Cleverley Petrucci
Welbeck Hernandez

Johnstone
Powell
Macheda
Vermijl
Lingard
Brady
Tunnicliffe

I personally would like to see Bebe play.
On wings we have only Valencia is a specialist winger. Rooney Welbeck etc are makeshifts. Nanis been awful. Bebe I felt looked better than what he was a season ago in preseason

25 sep 2012 21:05:59
my team would be
ddg
vermijl, wootten, evra, buttner
fletch, anderson
lingard, powell, welbeck
chico


matlock red

25 Sep 2012 17:39:46
Now that Vidic is out for 2 months, heres hoping that rio can survive until smalling is fit again... and how bout giving keane a chance in the carling cup

Keane or wootton, ALthough i prefer Wootton .

Mad Hatter

25 Sep 2012 17:21:19
How long is smalling and jones out for?

25 Sep 2012 16:42:26
*Deal done*

Bruno Gomes To Join Manchester United Next summer...
(Here u have heard first)

_yash (INDIA)

Who's he?

Caolán.

A Brazilian prospect for the youth team, a long way off first team football.

Red Spark

25 Sep 2012 16:40:30
I dont remember when was the last time I was confident of 3 points or for that matter 1 point when I saw our team sheet away at Anfield.

SAF always makes some weird changes which are totally unnecessary.

I really cant understand why Clevs was dropped in favour of Giggs, I thought Clevs was rested in the Galatasaray game only to be played the full 90 mins at anfield.


One thing I feel now is we as fans should stop complaining.......we have been complaining about Evra,Giggs,Nani,Anderson for the past two years and all of them are still unfortunately playing a major part in our season.

***So stop complaining coz nobodys listening***
People come on here and post teams having the Petruccis the Pogbas the Tunners the Lingards the morrisons the keanes and what we get is the same old Giggs/Anderson/Evra team to completely disappoint us.

I will still continue to stay up late at night just to watch the games even though I now know i'll probably be bored to death by our gameplay.

But what to do I just cant stop lovin this club now :(

MUMBAI_BOY

I think it wasn't just about 3 points or match against our rival. But more about respect. You can see all the players has been well prepared about what this game is about, through many of our players interview( they all say respect time and time again). Scholes or Giggs was obvious choice to represent the respect and deal with the pressure and delicate nature the game sure should be handle with. Scholes having started on Wednesday, Giggs started the game as a Captain.

Hopefully Cleve can start tonite.

Red Samurai

25 Sep 2012 15:14:03
Bad news... Vidic is out for 8 weeks!

Anon

25 Sep 2012 15:29:42
Right yesterday a question was asked by someone called Tetrohydro. I thought i'd respond.

Now you ask why does no one give full details as to the info they are privvy to.

Well first off if only a few people are privvy to this info then it would be obvious as to where the leak came from which could cost them their job.

I hope that answers your question.

Now onto a related matter, there appears to be some anger towards the ed's when info they pass on may not come to pass.

Now first off they give this info willingly and they tell us in good faith and don't deserve any abuse.

Most of the ed's are former posters of the site and as such are any info they pass on should be taken with the same pinch of salt you'd take any info from any other poster.

Some like Ed002 appear to have serious contacts and seem to work within football, but the important thing to remember is everything is rumour until the club makes it official. There are thousands of players looked at by clubs and hundereds enquired about but only a few are signed. So any info passed on probably has some truth in it but as to whether the club follows up such interest is another matter alltogether.

I don't believe the Ed's have given us what they know as false info, they also work very hard in running what is an excellent site and one not only i but all of you enjoy using. So lets lay of the Ed's and give them the respect and thanks they deserve.

As for the financial aspect of running the site, i very much apperciate the efforts Ed001 is going to in order to keep the site free, but if a time came when a membership fee did have to be paid then i would happily pay it. I think Bond mentioned something about a paid members only section of the site which i think would be an excellent idea and would back compeletly.

So i'd like to pass on my many thanks to all of the Ed's for all their time and hard work they put into the site.

Shappy {Ed007's Note - Cheers Shappy. Once you move from being a poster to an Ed you gain access to a lot of closed doors and more privy information from various sources, to the extent I couldn't hardly believe the identity and calibre of the people who were actually listening and answering any questions I had for them.}

Great post Shappy! I agree with all you have said and some people need to take this into account!

-JakeW

Shapps

I would be very weary of passing my bank details to 'weegie' ;-)

I fully agree with what you are saying and would no doubt pop a few quid in if needed to keep the site up. It may even work to a big advantage as allot of the trolls wouldn't pay just to leave stupid abusive comments to eds or other posters.

Top site Eds, keep up the good work and next time I get some duff info off you lot I'm giving you dogs abuse! In a nice way of course ;-)

Jono

Jono

Shappy, I completely understand the position and would never want anyone who is nice enough to share information with other interested parties to suffer as a result of it.

But rumours can come from many places, many of those places are generally wrong, so what would be the harm in someone in the know saying that they 'favour' a certain player without actually needing to confirm it wink wink, nudge nudge ;)

Tetrahydro

Shappy, I completely understand the position and would never want anyone who is nice enough to share information with other interested parties to suffer as a result of it.

But rumours can come from many places, many of those places are generally wrong, so what would be the harm in someone in the know saying that they 'favour' a certain player without actually needing to confirm it wink wink, nudge nudge ;)

Tetrahydro

I don't think that would be possible, I just think you need to take everything with a pinch of salt and be thankful for any info that turns out correct.

And thats interesting Bond mate, so where do I apply? Lol.

Shappy

25 Sep 2012 16:01:51
mufc have just confirmed vidic out for 8 weeks after knee surgery, i say get him fit then sell him cuz he is just injury prone all the time, need a player who is reliable, i dont know anyone injured as much as him.

RED. AL

25 Sep 2012 15:42:01
Given that we now only have Evans and Ferdinand fit, then this is how I think we will line up tomorrow:

___________De Gea
Rafael__Carrick___Wooton__Buttner
___Petrucci__Fletcher__Anderson
Valencia____Hernandez____Welbeck

I also fancy that we may see Cole, Powell Henriquez, Bebe, Macheda, M. Keane, Tunnicliffe sneak into the match day squad.

Of course, I may be completly wrong and SAF may go for a team with Giggs etc in it. However I am really hoping to see this. I certainly wouldn't think that Ferdinand or Evans will play though, but Powell might take the place of Petrucci in the line up that I have posted here.

Fresh!

I would like to see Januzaj and Daelhi as I think they are " of our most promising young talents

RedNdproud

If Tom Cleverley does not play tomorrow
he will never play
ARB

ARB, very strange post there mate.

Sydney!

Sorry Syd but I would like to see Tom playing some games he would give us a bit more legs in midfield
ARB

ARB, couldn't agree more mate.

Sydney!

25 Sep 2012 15:04:51
For God sake, Vidic out for 2 months after knne op!

25 Sep 2012 12:52:40
Wouldn't it be great if he threw in our young players straight in the deep end. Men vs Boys stand up & be counted.

4-3-2-1

GK - LINDEGAARD - will communicate more with the back four.
RB - FLETCHER needs game time, but so do other midfielders.
CB - CARRICK, Vidic wasn't rested against Liverpool for this least important cup game.
CB - WOOTTON, Evans & Rio both had knocks against Pool.
LB - BUTTNER deserves a chance to compete for 1st team.
RCM - PETRUCCI needs first team experience.
DeepCM - ANDERSON dropping deepest to pick the ball up.
LCM - CLEVERLEY has not really been involved lately.
RAM - POWELL needs first team experience. He's used to being high up the field of play & making things happen.
CF - ROONEY needs some minutes to get his sharpness back.
LAM - LINGARD was very impressive on tour & needs to be played.

I know this is a very bold team selection. I think it needs to be done. If we get knocked out we can send these talented young lads on loan to the Championship.

SUBS: Johnstone, Tunnicliffe, M.Keane, Brady, Welbeck, Chicharito, Henriquez.

By throwing the likes of Powell, Petrucci & Lingard in against Newcastle will give us the answers. Which one of these lads is ready to step up. Scholes, Giggs even Carrick & maybe Fletcher can not go on for ever & ever.

I'd love to see the youngsters get some game time but i think it playing Newcastle we'll see more first teamers. I still think some youngsters will be given a chance. But this is a game for people like Buttner Fletcher Anderson and Cleverley to be given some game time.

Seeing as it's Fletchers first game back i'd like to see a formation that won't over expose him. Then when we look around the rest of the squad we need to see who needs game time and who needs rest. I would expect Valencia and maybe Nani given a rest as they are our only fit wingers, i would also expect to see Vidic and Rafael rested as they are vital to our defence. I would also expect to only see one of Rio or Evans as we can't afford to risk both, seeing as they both got a knock on the weekend i would expect to see the fittest one start. Carrick is likely to be rested as he is our key midfielder and i expect to see RVP and Kagawa get the night off. The goalkeeper role will be interesting as it could be either, personally looking at Newcastle with players like Ba upfront and players like Ben Arfa and Guiterrez i'd expect more crosses than we faced against Liverpool so i'd go with Lindegaard but seeing as he played on the weekend i wouldn't be suprised to see DDG.

So i'd like to see a line up like this:

__________Lindegaard
Vermijl___Evans__Wooton___Buttner
____________Fletcher
______Cleverley___Anderson
__Lingard___Hernandez___Welbeck

with a bench of: DDG, Rio, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Brady, Nani, Macheda.

I think that gives a nice balance of youth and squad players while not being disrespectful of Newcastle.

Shappy

Good team Shappy mate, although I expect DDG to play and Carrick will play instead of Evans. Evans and Ferdinand are our only fit CB's so he will not risk either in this meaningless cup.

Sydney!

I suspect Henriquez & Rooney will be in the squad too.

Sydney!

25 Sep 2012 11:18:07
Have followed this site for a long time thought I have only posted twice and have never been published. I would like to make 2 points though.

Firstly, the Ed's do a great job and I can't believe the amount of negative comments they receive. Take it from the majority of followers, you work is appreciated.

secondly, why has Nani gone down-hill so badly. He was always inconsistent, but he used to produce some flashes of brilliance every game. Now he's poor the whole time. we desperately need a replacement as Young is also inconsistent.

Thoughts would be appreciated

RayB

Increased popularity of the site is always going to introduce us to more trolls. Its just the nature of the beast that is the internet I guess. As for Nani, the guy is being lambasted every week and the club were willing to part with him in the summer. In footballing terms the guy is under massive pressure to prove himself every game in a position that is, now, not is preferred one. Im still of the opinion that given time, he will settle into the season and return to some kind of good form.

TK-Red

25 Sep 2012 09:32:10
Ed001 or Ed002, someone said yesterday that the site was under threat due to money. Can I ask what sort of amount is needed to keep it going? Or how much more do you need each year to keep it going on top of the advert deals? It's just there must be thousands that come on this site, certainly a thousand strong. Couldn't we chip in a couple quid each year?

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - I intend to keep it free Syd, I really hate the thought of people paying to use the site. I am working on getting new advertisers in, hence the links within the page. It just means I get to spend less time chasing up info and more time talking to potential advertisers, which is not my thing.}

How about keeping the basic pages free but making a members area Ed? Like Syd! says, I'm sure there are a good thousand members who could "donate" a couple of quid each year. It might also segregate the football fans and the trolls.

TK-Red {Ed007's Note - I suggested the other day about a VIP area TK. £2/3 a month but having a live room on a Friday and Saturday night, letting folk chill with a beer and enjoy the craic. The small fee would help weed out trolls and help cover costs. Ed001 is working flat out trying to get some advertisers in as we really do want to keep the sites free, we never set out or intended to become millionaires doing this. It's not drastic measures yet lads, the only reason I said about it was people complaining about the coloured words with ads. All your good wishes and offers of help are greatly appreciated and one of the things that keeps us going. Thanks very much.}

Ed001, fair play mate, but if it ever gets to the point where you cannot go on then I would be willing to chuck a tenner your way every year if need be. I am sure 100s would do the same even if its just a few quid.

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - fingers crossed it never reaches that point!}

Its our pleasure mate. I think it would keep the decent folk coming back Ed. I can't help but wonder how many people decide not to post as they don't want to put up with the trolls. You guys do a fantastic job of weeding out the guff but in a VIP area people could feel safer posting their opinions without being ripped to pieces and the line of banter being over stepped. Us regulars would always do what you can to help you guys/girls.

TK-Red {Ed007's Note - :-)

25 Sep 2012 08:59:33
having watched us now this season so far, I tyhink we should try and change our formation. We haven't gotten our midfield worker we all want so here's my suggestion. Back 3, midfield 4 and front 3.

de gea / Lindegard

Smalling Rio/vidic Evans

valentia Carrick Cleverly Giggs/ Young

kagawa Rooney
RVP
Wingers are good at covering full back areas, Smalling in right footed, Evans left footed, when we lose possession fill midfield with rooney & kagawa.

25 Sep 2012 02:23:24
3/10 rating for Nani in the Daily Mail! That's just bloody ridiculous!! They have lost all credibility as a serious sports paper in my eyes!!

He was a 2 at the very most.


StevieK