Manchester United Banter Archive August 26 2013

 

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26 Aug 2013 23:55:00
Apart from the result, I really don't get Mourinho's problem with Mata, arguably Chelsea's best player from the last two seasons, yet dropped tonight. Surely he's there for the taking? And even if he's not, time to give them some of their own medicine? Looking forward to the last 7 days of this transfer window, hope we pull some things out the bag!

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I think we might pull off something. Moyes' mentioned in his post-match interview about United being interested in the best players', and has the backing to go after who he wants. I don't believe Moyes' would state as much on the behest of the club in order to appease the fans'; he doesn't strike me as that sort of bloke.

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A lot of people are confused about Mata but I think i'm right in saying he's just come back from an injury and probably not 100% fit too earlier to tell.

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26 Aug 2013 23:51:19
Most people wanted Mourinho as our manager but I ask you, would any of you be happy if we played a game without a striker? You think Chelsea fans are happy that their manager doesn't like their best player, Mata. I think Moyes has handled the job well and other than not playing Kagawa I'm pleased.

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Flint, although Kagawa is a great player (i'm a huge fan of him) but if Kagawa looked very sharp and fit in training i'm sure Moyes would have played him. But yeah do agree with you, Moyes is the right man for the job.

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Mata has been injured, Spain and barce both play with out a striker.
schurrle has played as a striker.
But also I think he will buy a good striker

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26 Aug 2013 23:25:39
I love the David Moyes song btw, very catchy!

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26 Aug 2013 23:21:35
How come kagawa is not getting a chance I thought he would be in the starting 11 this season and I really believe he will shine if given a starting spot cleverley and giggs have been given the nod b4 him in the first 2 games what's every1s thoughts?

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I would have liked him to start over Welbeck today and I was shocked that Giggs came on instead of him. If he doesn't start on Sunday then i'm going to start to worry. It's a shame because he would have been perfect in this game, we needed that final pass and he is the most technical gifted player we have

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26 Aug 2013 23:49:49
I'm hoping that its a combination of him playing a lot over the summer, and Moyes wanting to make a solid start and is going with the players who do more defensive work.

But I do have this nagging voice in the back of my head telling me he isn't a David Moyes type player. I'm trying to dismiss it by saying that Moyes has had to play a certain way on limited resources, and that's why he hasn't had a Kagawa type player before. But the long Shinji stays on the bench the louder that nagging voice becomes.

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Moyes was not impressed with him during preseason playing opportunities. Sadly I think Moyes don't fancy him. Cracking player, I hope he will get fair time to prove himself.

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Shappy
Is that nagging voice mine

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Disappointed also thought if kagawa came on we would have been able to get a little more penetration to get behind chelseas 10 defenders.
Still can't work out what people see in cleverely the boy is average, don't know for the life of me how he is in the starting 11.No creatitivity, limited passing range, tackling piss poor I could go on and on.
Aslo re Welbeck work rate good, but his passing, positioning, link up play etc not so good.He has talent but not too sure where or what way to play him.
Finally thought Rooney played wel tonite at least he showed plenty of conviction and never stopped trying, its about time he released a statement stating his desire.

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SAF would have had chats with Moyes prior to taking over i'm sure. He'll get his chance! Like Shappy said he hardly had a break this summer and did look knackered in pre season. Got a feeling he might start against Liverpool or at least come on early second half.

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26 Aug 2013 23:15:52
Just reading through the posts and all these people telling us how brilliant Rooney was. Well tell me what he did that was so brilliant. Should have played RVP in but over hit it and had a couple of shots from distance. Oh yes and he tried and for that we are supposed to be grateful. At any point in the game did he go past a player NO did he score No did he set up a goal NO but he was brilliant the best player on the pitch. No wonder he thinks he can take the piss with some of you persons

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Kloot,

We get it, you don't like Rooney, you will never see anything good in him. He was the best player on the pitch tonight, he looked sharp, quick and went past men quite often. He still isn't fully match fit remember and put in a performance like that.

There is absolutely no need for you to be abusive, when you are the only person with your opinion don't you think you might be wrong?

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27 Aug 2013 00:00:04
Im with you Kloot (which is a first) on the Rooney bit. I don't think he wants to be there and he was no better than anybody else tonight I thought the whole team played well our Midfield 2 carrick and cleverly (although I get the feeling you would have preferred cleverly to have played poorly) bossed that area and were very efficient unfortunately there was no creativity from rooney, valencia, or wellbeck but space was limited as they had so many players behind the ball {Ed007's Note - Didn't Rooney have the only Utd shots on target?}

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He's never going to be the player he was, but he had a good game tonight. Something he never had all of last season. But that's then and this is now. Credit where it's due. I still think there is a chance he will go on Monday, but unless we sign the players we need, we must keep him.

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He played well Kloot you appear to be so blinded by hatred, yes hatred of certain players Rooney, Cleverly and a couple of others.

So care to tell me who you thought were the best United players on the day rather than slag off other posters?

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Rooney never had a good game all last season? Jesus that's a massive understatement because I seem to remember rooney chipping in with a few goals when van persie went thro a spell of like 1 goal in 13 or 14 games or woteva it was. I don't post much on here more of a reader but I have never wanted rooney to leave he's our best all round player we got. Van persie is a clinical beast without a doubt but there isn't another player like rooney out there and I'm glad the fans got behind him surely now he knows he's at the best place.

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If Kloot wasn't the least respected poster before, this seals it. Best player on the pitch by miles. Only creative force, only attacker to track back, pinged balls all over the place. You're either blind or blinded by your bias. Either way, please stop posting. Bc I can think of lots of adjectives for you, Kloot is not the one I'd choose.

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26 Aug 2013 23:03:40
A very solid display by all tonight everybody did their team job putting the team above themselves. that in my opinion is the first criteria for any new potential player. we lack flair and have done for some time, but we make up for that with true grit, organisation, and no little amount of technically gifted players, that's why Fab was Moyes 1st choice and remains his 1st choice because he has all the above with the flair. I hope its still a possibility he was played as highest up front for Barca last night but neither Messi or Neymar stated so he knows when their available he will be left out.
He will make us a totally different team and would fit in perfectly to the work and team ethic required.
Also a big word for Evra tonight he must be low in confidence knowing the boss fancies someone else. he is much maligned by many but he never stops running and offering himself for the man in possession. sound defending tonight let's hope it continues.

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26 Aug 2013 23:00:57
The scariest moment about tonight was when the added time board went up. That used to be a signal for the Old Trafford crowd to get excited and roar the team on as they expected a goal. Tonight it was obvious the crowd did not expect us to get that goal.

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I think this match is too early in the season to be going for broke in extra time. I hardly expected de gea to come forward for the last corner. I think it was a good point overall and a good base to build on for the season ahead

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Were you still there when we got that last corner? The crowd went mad, the atmosphere was brilliant tonight. Sometimes I think you don't even go to the games.

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KLOOT your becoming more predictable than a cleverly side ways pass my friend :-)

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Too much listening to talk sh£te for you kloot. U'd think you were the only person at the game, do you watch the game or sit in the corner with your bottom lip out because the pies have changed over the years? Give it a rest will ya, so much negativity after the 1st home game god help us for the rest of the season.

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Think you (kloot) like many other fans are failing to see the biggest picture with tonight's result. Tut tut.

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26 Aug 2013 22:59:09
Let's hope the tubby Scouser and the Brand get the praise they deserve from Kloot later. Let's see if he's big enough :-)

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They got exactly what they deserved from me

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Sydney you will be disappointed as Kloot has not grown up yet.

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Syd,

As you can see from above, he isn't.

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HAHA KLOOT you truly dislike like the fellas! thought Cleverley did ok thought Rooney was excellent whether he stays or goes i'm still not that bothered tbh as long as we replace his goals and assists we will be fine.
If we can't replace him then he stays simples!

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26 Aug 2013 22:57:24
To all you simpletons who are supporting Rooney and praising him for trying. Listen to Jose's interview after the game where he praises United supporters for supporting a player who wants to leave that's right now Jose is saying it a player who wants to leave. FFS The guy is getting paid a quarter of a million pounds every week and he gets praised for being committed. Still fishing for that big contract that he has always wanted and Fergie wouldn't give him

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Again being abusive kloot, get a grip. Who do you think you are talking to?

I was unaware everything that Jose said was gospel?

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He won't be getting a bigger deal this summer mate, so he will likely be sold in the next three windows.

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Well he's not going to a title rival, and I doubt he'll get an improved contract unless he continues to play like he did tonight. Fishing for an improved contract though? By that do you mean playing well, because I'm fairly sure that's what every player tries to do? If he still wants to leave and we can sell to a foreign team then fine but not to a title rival and all the while he continues to 'fish' for an improved contract by putting in good performances sounds like it could work to our advantage mate.

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Well I have to agree with Kloot here and just listened to Mourinho's interview. He clearly says he needs an answer because he(rooney)started this and needs to know if he wants to go or stay. I guess Rooney's camp has been working behind the scenes and The chelsea bids are not a coincidence.

The rooney supporters on this site need to acknowledge this and keep things in perspective as it is more than him having a good game and looking committed and their are dressing room issues that comes with this stuff.

Whilst he had a good game my view has not changed, he needs to open his mouth and be honest and say what he wants. It is very hard to fully support a player when you know they are up to no good and initiating a move away from the club.

There are players sitting on that bench who would give their right arm to get on the pitch with no less commitment than him and not fair to them if this continues.

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I think if he performs like that all season I think he will get the contract he is after furthermore if he does perform and helps to win us trophies this year then he will deserve it.

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26 Aug 2013 22:55:56
So are united ready to pay 80/90 mill for BALE or is moyes just keeping the fans happy

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I hope we are NOT ready to pay that. £50m tops I'd go to. He's not worth any more.

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Moyes has confirmed MU didn't make offer.

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Syd
Some one may of had a word or he just realised how daft he sounded

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Jred, perhaps, but to be fair SAF never lied to us and if a rumour was false he quickly put an end to it. That was what I liked about SAF and I hope Moyes always does the same.

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26 Aug 2013 22:52:36
Here's my input -

If you'd told me a 0-0 draw before the game I would have been happy with that because in all honesty I had doubts about tonight's game, but during the game I think we could have scored maybe one or two but it didn't help the ref missed two blatant hand balls.

Rooney, clearly MOTM great first touch and attitude through out the game.

Considering how much money Chelsea have spent on midfield players and how weak our midfield is meant to be we dominated that part of the pitch.

Rio and Vidic - Wow them two together are just phenomenal, hands down the most solid CB pairing in the premier league. Evra also played very well and continued his form thus far.

We still need to sign a world class CM but we did very well against arguably the best team in the EPL.

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Just got back from the game we didn't do well it was a crap 0-0 with very little entertainment for the fans

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John, what did you expect? Neither team wanted to lose this game it was always going to be very tactically defensive. Just a shame we couldn't pinch a goal or two with the few chances we had, should have got a penalty but I guess that's history now.

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There were a couple of occasions with Evra that were very hairy, if Scurrlle had timed one of his runs better he would have been in and a couple of times he was more advanced than our forwards just standing there watching the game unfold! I personally think the left back situation is just as if not more important than the midfield we will concede more from Evras ineptitude at defending than being overun in the middle imo.

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26 Aug 2013 22:52:03
"This club must be a very special club because at every club in the world, when the player wants to leave they don't support him, " Mourinho

"When a player wants to leave they give him a hard time but [here] they support him all the way so I think this is a real special club with special fans so he decides that he wants to stay.

Well I think we can safely say Jose doesn't come on this site

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See Jose telling you Rooney wants to leave

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Kloot
I think Rooney does want to leave or at least did .
But so did kean and cantona.
Imo if Rooney though he wasn't in the managers plans he would want out and Chelsea would be a good move for him .

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What else is Jose going to say? He wants Rooney. You can tell he does by his comments and his team selection. He doesn't need rooney he just wants him

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27 Aug 2013 08:26:56
Of course he NEEDS him, did you see how poor Torres was today? Well Ba is even worse and lukaku is not quite there yet.

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Jose is nothing but a walking media circus how can he come out at a press conference telling OUR player that he has to say he wants to leave! who does this bloke think he is can you imagine if Fergie had done something similar the press would have vilified him.This ridiculous love affair with the press and Jose makes me sick wish the bloke would just piss off tbh honest I never wanted to see the tw*t back over here anyway.

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26 Aug 2013 22:48:58
I think today again showed we don't need a dm them days have gone.
Carrick and clevs both played well today and neither team played with a recognised dm fellaini would of looked out of place.

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Jred, Chelsea are in the market for a DM and if we had Fellaini I think Jose would have played one. We will need one for City, but I agree that if the midfield is set well then it can work without one.

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Agreed and been saying the same thing for a long time. We need a creative attacking midfielder.

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I agree jred, Carrick and Cleverley put in really good shifts.

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We need to improve the quality in midfield, I would of loved to see fabergas in cm next to Carrick as opposed to fellaini .
I keep banging the drum but a bm in a top team is a dying breed football at the top level is about possession and changing that possession in to goal.

Where would fellaini of played today and how would he off improved US. Chelsea have a very creative midfield but we controlled and contained them by playing good football .
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We will need Fellaini against Spurs and Man city.

If we get get Cesc or Oezil or Mata and Fellaini then I will be very happy.

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26 Aug 2013 22:36:05
Like I said on here in the past, every team needs a player like Tom Cleverly and the majority disagreed, well tonight he was fantastic! still not a world class player but an honest player who gives 100% and doesn't go missing like hazard did tonight.

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So in your opinion Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern need Tom Cleverley. You clueless twonk

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U must of watched a different game to me

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Just got home from game very dissapointed very poor from both teams

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Kloot, abusive yet again, I am seeing this a lot reading down the page, unsure why the eds post stuff like that. {Ed007's Note - Because he takes some abuse himself and has NEVER moaned about it. KLOOT can dish it out but he can take it back a lot better than some on here. I think Caolan is big enough to look after himself in a forum, but if we ever need advice on how to run the sites or edit them we will give you a shout sweetheart.}

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Barca have busquets KLOOT is he a world class player? No is he as good as Xavi? No. Your hatred for Cleverly is a disgrace, I honestly can't believe you support this club? Last year it was Rooney you counted how many times he have the ball away! That's pathetic my friend, and tonight when he played well you criticise him. Football isn't all about flair players, let's take the 1968 side best law and charlton, but paddy crerrand wasn't a player who would get in the Barca side, or Nobby stiles! Would Roy Keane have made the Barca midfield? No. How about Park? He never let us down once but he was never going to beat 3 or 4 players and lash in a 30 yard screamer. If Tom Cleverly is as bad as you say he is why does he make our side regularly and the England side? Surely if he wasn't good enough he would have been sold. {Ed007's Note - Everything OK Caolan... No lasting mental scars or that?}

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I'm perfectly fine bond, I just hate people who don't support their own players! {Ed007's Note - Good lad.}

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KLOOT, catch yourself on.

Caolan's a young, enthusiastic lad, maybe like you were once. He didn't say those teams needed Cleverly, nor did he say he was world-class.

Stop acting the big man on the keyboard - you just look like an ignorant bully when you resort to the name-calling. What sort of grown man gets his kicks from calling kids names on a website? {Ed007's Note - It wasn't exactly a foul mouthed rant Stevie.}

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It's not that Kloot is aggressive or abusive, it's that he's clueless. If someone who had never seen a football match said that Rooney was a bad player, would it upset you? No. Well, clearly Kloot has no football sense or understanding, as can be seen in his over-the-top negative and angry posts. He never knows what he's talking about, so people, stop taking him seriously!

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I think Cleverly had a decent game. I can see why people don't like him because there are times where he seems to not want to be left with the decision of making a telling pass and just knocks it back to the striker or winger for a 5 yard sideways pass even though he has no one marking him.

The reality is he is never going to be that type of player, which we are missing and more what I call a worker on the pitch.

We have failed for many years now in replacing scholes and it has been an issue for us for sometime and does not look like we are going to find the solution this window either.

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26 Aug 2013 22:34:10
Not a great result tonight but there were some positives for sure. We limited Chelsea to shots from outside the box, we controlled the midfield (Carras & Clevz were excellent) and our defence looked solid (Rio & Vida in particular). I also thought Valencia had a better game and Young did ok when be came on.

The biggest positive though was Wayne Rooney's attitude and performance. I thought he was excellent and the crowd got right behind him. He showed why he is so important to us. However, if that reception doesn't show him how much we love and value him and he still wants to leave, then it's good riddance. I really hope we can sort out his future soon and get him focused on being the world class player he is on a consistent basis.

Couple of negatives as well though from tonight imo. Kagawa's lack of involvement is worrying, we are apparently after creative midfielders but have a great one sitting on the bench, not even getting on. Also our lack of quality delivery into the box from wide positions. Valencia was better imo as I said, but his delivery was still poor. Evra, Jones & Welbeck each wasted a couple of good opportunities from wide areas too. RvP was starved of good service all night.

Come on United!

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I was quite impressed with our performance. Sure, some of the final balls were poor, but that will improve as the players' get sharper.

I was genuinely worried about tonight’s game. I thought Chelsea would play through us, but it didn't happen. Tactically, we were as good as I have seen in a long time.

All in all, a decent night.

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Absolutely! Centre backs and Evra were solid. Carrick was sharp, Cleverly looked cleverer than ever. Rooney was excellent, although he missed vital pass to RVP. Valencia had one of his best games for years except decent crosses missing. I think I understand why DM wanted young and Giggs in as we didn't cross in any decent balls to FW. Good decision I thought.

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26 Aug 2013 22:29:43
Anyone else catch the reporter at the end with united? The reporter just said to moyes another thing going around is that manchester united have made a bid for bale is this true can u shed sum light on the situation moyes replied. obviously wer always gunna try and get the best players. the reporter went can you tell us anything? Moyes just shook he's head and walked away!

Anything could be possible

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26 Aug 2013 22:27:12
Celtic fan in peace:

Quick Question to all Reds fans

Which player would you take

CR7 or Bale

and for the record.
I would take Bale.

good luck for the season, thought you out played Chelsea tonight.

Cprs1

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CR7 in a heart beat. As good as Bale is CR7 is on another level

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Well I think everyone would agree that your heart says Ronaldo but your mind says Bale because you'd get longer out of him!

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Ronaldo every day of every week. Anyone who would choose Bale over Ronaldo, even with the age difference, must be deluded. There are 2 players on this planet on a level way above any other, we all know who they are, and to choose Bale over either would be a ridiculous decision in my eyes.

Bale is a very good player, but I just don't see him ever getting to the Ronaldo/Messi level. You don't pay £80m+ for a player who MIGHT be great one day. He probably won't be as he doesn't have enough in his game in my eyes to get there. Real must be mental!

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No contest Ronaldo is wa ahead of Bale in terms of quality, my prediction is Bale will be underwhelming in Spain and nowhere near as good as Ronaldo

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I have rated BALE for a long time, not saying he will get to ronaldos level but if I had to pick 1 player in the game today who might it would be BALE.

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Cr7 is on his way to become one of the best players of all time. Bale on the other hand is a very talented player who might, just might, become nearly as good as Cr7 one day. I'd take Ronaldo every day of the week

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Both? Financially impossible and extraordinary improbable but wouldn't half scare the bejesus out of any defence coming at you on the counter attack!

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26 Aug 2013 22:27:01
I have only one complaint today, why no Kagawa? I understand him not starting but Giggs coming on instead of him. If he doesn't start on Sunday then maybe the manager just doesn't rate him. Also, I don't know what Moyes has said to Evra but so far he has been solid. We miss Rafa going forward, Jones doesn't add much to the attack.

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26 Aug 2013 22:26:26
Nomidfield,
I haven't replied sooner, just on my way back. It's a shame you have taken offence, this is a banter site after all and even though AJH has called me an eejit, I can take it, I won't start sulking, I have very broad shoulders.
I wasn't there in 68 (too young) but I was at the cup final in 77, 79, 83, 85, 90 to name a few. I have spent thousands of pounds and hours following United around England and Europe and if you've been a supporter through all those years then fair play but therefore you should know better.
I can assure you I am not a wild optimist but I am a supporter and I love United. The clue to my point is in the word SUPPORTER not criticiser.
So Chin up and try and enjoy the best club in the world we are all United.

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Very well said sir! It's about time we had a few adults posting on this site!

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26 Aug 2013 22:26:06
Interesting about bale. I'd still say he's just keeping the fans happy acting a if we're intrested.

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Maybe trying to sell season tickets? That's the usual one isn't it? Oh no, they have all been sold, so what's the excuse now?

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26 Aug 2013 22:25:27
Anybody catch David Moyes interview. Rooney is staying and based on tonight I am actually happy if he puts this sort of effort in and makes a statement and puts an end to all of this. He needs matches as he looks fit but still lacking match sharpness.

On another note, Moyes was asked about a Bale bid and refused to comment but said we are always looking at the best players and trying to improve the team and the owners have backed him to get who he wants. There might be something to this and I know it might be wishful thinking.

Anyway looking forward to the last few days of the window whatever happens.

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That's the same thing Moyes has been saying all transfer window. "We are always looking at the best players." Watching them is one thing but actually attempting to sign them is another.

He also made it clear that he had the full backing of the owners to go in for whoever he wants. Besides a pointless attempt to lure Fabregas from the his dream club who else have we actually made any attempt of signing? The bid for fellaini and baines was also pretty ridiculous, even so how are those two the best players that we are supposed to be looking at.

Maybe I'm just a little upset by our lack of creativity especially in the final third but if we don't do something about it then we may not be in contention of a title this season, especially not in Europe!

I am still optimistic about us making those signings that we are all craving for. Will be over the moon with just a midfield enforcer in dare I say it fellaini and that creative midfielder in Ozil. Just waiting for Bale to Madrid to be completed before we make our move.

The optimist inside me is still keeping fingers crossed for a Ronaldo return;)

Who wouldn't be happy with that for this transfer window?

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26 Aug 2013 22:25:22
Moyes was just as coy as a schoolgirl on prom night! it looks as if we are in for Bale.

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26 Aug 2013 22:24:14
Ok, this is only an opinion, so don't shoot me.

But I think that Jose, still smarting from not being considered for the Utd job, actually put his ego in the way of Chelsea getting a result tonight.

He was so scared at losing to Moyes, and losing his perceived upper hand over him, that I think he quite clearly set the team up to avoid losing at all costs.

God forbid Moyes, who I feel sure Jose does not consider as a credible opponent, would get a result in his first home game against the Special One.

Hence the lack of a recognised striker, a swamping of midfield, and a suffocation of the game. Craig Burley did that for Scotland, and got absolutely hammered by fans and media alike. Bet you Jose is hailed as a master tactician.

Either that, or, unlike many on here, Jose actually realises Utd are still a force to be recognised with in this league, even without any new faces, and duly afforded them the respect they deserved.

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26 Aug 2013 22:23:11
Moyes confirms we are in for bale.holly shi#.

Mufc parkie

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26 Aug 2013 22:15:40
I'm a bit puzzled as to why Kagawa seems to have been overlooked recently. There where times during the game where we had Chelsea surrounded and were crying out for a killer pass something that Kagawa could've delivered. And instead we brought Giggs on.

Nevertheless I think we played well a goal would've topped it off but a draw is better than a loss. We managed to close down quickly a big improvement on last season with a top class winger as I feel Valencia and Welbeck were a bit disappointing at times and someone to deliver the killer touch we could win the league with ease.

Finally it was good to see Rooney showing commitment to the cause and not sulking especially against Chelsea so maybe he'll stay after all.

Sparky

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26 Aug 2013 22:26:08
Interesting that David Moyes didn't deny being in for Bale. Even if we were though I doubt he would move to United.

On another note, hats off to Rooney who played very well tonight and gave his all

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26 Aug 2013 22:09:33
Cleverly had a pass success rate of 91% (most out of any player on the pitch) and also had the most interceptions (5).

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And I counted 4 forward passes all game.


Worst player in the team for me.

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He had a very good game, we need to see more of this more often.

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. and was head and shoulders the least effective player on the pitch. #sellthewasteofspacenow

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Felt like posting this as well, maybe this is his season where he steps it up a gear. Still think we need a world class CM though.

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Jacko

What game were you watching exactly? Clevs had a solid game.hope there's more if it to come

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The Brand proves how pointless stats are by passing backwards and sideways. Did have an opportunity to make an impact on the game and skied it

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To be fair u replace clevs with Fabregas we win the game imo, he was decent and solid tonight but showed the weaknesses in his game too, he lacks a driving force element to his game, all in all thou defo good squad player to have, not bad for a young lad that started playing in a different position than he does now with a few injuries along the way.

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I thought he did alright too. Maybe because he gets such a hard time from most people on here, that when he actually plays he isn't the worst player to ever grace football like some make out. We did miss Rafa tonight though, Jones is not a right back

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Got to agree with Sydney I thought Clevs was much improved could still do more forward passes but better

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Timbo I could put 5 chelsea players forward who were worse tbh

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26 Aug 2013 22:08:00
Did people see Jose's interview? Talking about Rooney pursuit. Gives credit to the United fans for being the best in the world bc most clubs would have turned on a player in that position but the OT faithful gave Rooney full support. got to love when Jose calls us a really special club. And we are a special club for reasons just like this.

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26 Aug 2013 22:06:11
Got to say Rooney looked the best player on the park even Cleverly played ok Moyes will be happy I think and had the better team

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26 Aug 2013 22:03:15
TC and Carrick were superb tonight, did a lot of work for the team and completely stopped a Chelsea team looking to dominate the middle from playing.

I would have loved to have seen Zaha come on rather than Young at the end, although in fairness to Young he did well. Just felt that we needed someone who could beat a couple of players to get in behind them.

At this stage if the season it was a big game, Moyes stood up well and tactically was superior to JM.

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Agree with you. A bit of creativity and cutting edge was all that was missing tonight. Solid performance and 4 points from 2 tough games so far, not a bad start from DM imo.

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26 Aug 2013 22:02:55
though we didn't get the win but we were superb.! we definitely deserved to win.

But my question for all Rooney haters is " HE IS USELESS! RIGHT? ALREADY OVER HIS PRIME?"
HAHA! I hope u got your answer

Rooney gave an amazing performance and I hope u are going to shut your mouth. Rooney was the heart of our play. He was everywhere. attack, defense, winning the ball or distributing the ball or shooting at the target. He was superb. He gave more than 100%. never ever giving up.
That's the reason Moyes is holding him and Mourinho is crying for him. And that's the reason I call him WORLD CLASS player.!

Happy with our performance but not with the scoreline. should have won the game

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Rooney's best performance in well over a year. Will we get this Rooney if he stays or last season's Rooney? Let's hope for this Rooney.

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Well said mate :-)

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Another childish comment, but this time with capital letters for emphasis.

He was not amazing. He was good. He made a couple of decent crossfield passes, put himself about a lot, and ran back to tackle Ramires.

His lack of technique around the box however, was rather obvious when he was attempting to link up play in that area - a lot of his running about was necessitated by his poor close control and first touch, and having to try and retrieve the ball.

If that's all you expect from Wayne, then that's ok. I rather think Barca and RM fans might have somewhat higher expectations with regards to their world-class players.

It's a step in the right direction, certainly, and if he stays, let's hope he keeps that sort of effort up.

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26 Aug 2013 22:01:30
A close fought tight game which shows that there's really isn't much between the two sides despite what the papers may have you believe.

We were solid enough at the back to contain them to only half chances. We competed with them in midfield which was abit of a suprise to me. Maybe Cleverley is better than some on here think, I thought he did a great job in the middle for us today.

The down side for me was our poor choice and exercution of the killer pass. But in fairness Chelsea defended very well. I was just annoyed at how often we gave the ball away in the final third with sloppy misplaced passes.

I though we were crying out for Kagawa, and was really disapointed to see Giggs come on instead of Kagawa.

Kagawas clever and accurate passing was exactly what we needed in the final third, and imo if he came on instead of Giggs I think we would have got all three points.

But hey ho, its early in the season and Moyes is feeling his way into the job. I think he needs a pat on the back for a well played match that with abit more quality in the final third we would have won.

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26 Aug 2013 22:01:17
anyone notice how Rooney refused to pass to RVP and had a couple of chances to play him thru and never even tried. RVP looked well pissed with it

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If that is all you saw tonight you should give it up.

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I can see they are not on the same wavelength but would not go that far. Let's wait and see how things go the rest of the season now that it looks like when we say NO it actually means NO.

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I guess you missed probably one of the few moments of quality in the match when rooney flicked the ball first time over terry to persie. no need to start a conspiracy theory.
he also played in welbeck who missed the best chance of the game. I kind of liked seeing rooney shooting from distance and even welbeck trying his luck from distance. if u don't shoot u don't score!

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26 Aug 2013 22:00:43
Our team has just showed that they can get it right tactically.

I know we didn't win but we bossed that game!

cleverly and carrick were good and I have no complaints there tonight

Wellbeck and rvp need to be a little more in the game and I think we would of won.

Rooney was best player on pitch and with a run of games I feel he's going to be a problem for everyone

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26 Aug 2013 22:11:25
Very comfortable in defence and dare I say it midfield imo. We were much the better team for large parts. Still need a CM though if we lost Carrick we would be in bother. Thought Valencia played very well and covered Jones excellently. Rooney was good but it just showed up how little he cared last season, this was the first game in months he chased back put in tackles and actually seemed to give a sh1t.

All in all happy with the result wouldve been an awful game to lose against a mourinho side who will always grind out results and are a tough one to peg back given a points lead.

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26 Aug 2013 21:58:19
Caught the game, thankfully, thanks to streams as i'm in the Philippines! We were the better team, IMO, we did well defensively (expected from a Moyes team) and looked good overall. let's hope we kick on from here. I really, really still think we need a new face in midfield though. Carrick + Cleverly is just not good enough to give the big teams problems.

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Hope you are enjoying your travels, not a bad location to be watching United! I thought there were a few good signs tonight and it was important not to lose. Couldn't agree more about CM.

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Carrick had a great game. Midifield was not as bad as everyone would have you believe.

Good game NOT to lose at his stage and without a purchase it just shows the others are trying to catch us up.

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HoneyBadger

Cheers mate, yes, it could be a lot worse! Only got 1 week left of a 5month trip so back to rainy Wales then, haha! I agree, while our CM played very well, we are lacking a real specialist - a specialist hardman or a creative talent. Kagawa again without game time? Moyes perhaps isn't interested, which is a shame. But if he isn't he needs to break open that wallet!

4pts is fine though, 2 tough games, looking forward to the next one.

RED_SKY

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26 Aug 2013 21:57:30
united seem to keep going

i think moyes will be good for you in the longrun. maybe a slight dip this year

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Thanks Tom, I think so too. Progress may be slow and steady but I have faith in Moyes to get us there in the end.

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Exactly, was SAF dominant when he first started? No, he wasn't and he didn't have half as much pressure on his shoulders as Mr. Moyes does now so hats off to him.

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26 Aug 2013 21:54:46
Despite the draw, I'm thrilled. Partially because it was great evidence how WRONG so many of you have been all summer. RVP is a great goalscorer, but Rooney does so much on the pitch. He's almost unique amongst strikers with how many different things he can give. His touch looks sharp again, he looks fit, and if we could get ANY service from the wings i'm confident he'll score lots of goals this year. Hopefully this shuts up everyone asking for us to sell him. Best player on the pitch by miles and miles.

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Kg,

There aren't many people asking for us to sell him mate, most people have said if he wants to leave then we should let him go. On tonight's evidence he has a point to prove but why didn't he play like that all last season?

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Couldn't agree more, if anyone looked like really wanting a win against Chelsea Rooney was that man. Great first touch and work rate! Very impressed with him.

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KG, sorry but was you in a coma all last year? Peoples opinions regarding Rooney were not unfounded. This was his best performance for as long as I can remember. I just hope if he stays that he doesn't fall back into a rut.

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GDS

Last season is long gone! You guys complaint too much! He's a beast. Let's face, SAF didn't care much about him and now he may have a new begining! He's not perfect, so wasn't SAF or any other!

The same way u always criticise everybody for not getting behind DM, why don't u get behind Rooney as well?

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26 Aug 2013 21:53:39
So we struggle to break down their defence and we have one player on the bench who has that special ability to find a pass through from nowhere and he doesn't even get on the pitch for 5 minutes but Giggs and Young did. Kagawa must be thinking why did I move here.

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Why united don't line up with a midfield three of carrick holding and rooney and kagawa ahead ina 4-1-4-1 system I jut dontknow

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valencia--rooney--kagawa--wellbeck
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it seems the logical solution to me

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26 Aug 2013 21:51:47
When will Moyes ever get one over Mourinho?
I see he's back to 4-5-1 again.

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You must have been watching a different game because that wasn't 4-5-1.

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Hello our blue scouse friend,

That's a bit rich seeing as Roberto Martinez has fails to 'get one over' such titans as West Brom and Norwich so far with your team? 2 points from 2 games and the heady heights of 14th for Everton so far. I bet deep down you wish Moyes was still around.

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26 Aug 2013 21:49:26
Rooney man of match, no penetration no creativity not looking forward to the rest of the season if this is it

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This is joke? 4 points from 2 tough games, signings to come.

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Mate, we controlled a game against arguably the best team in the Prem at the moment. How much money have they spent on the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Schurrle, Torres and what did they do? More positives in tonights game than negatives. People must have been dreaming if they thought we were going to walk tonights game. Always going to be incredibly tough.

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26 Aug 2013 21:35:55
WTF. why is giggs coming on and not Kagawa!

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I agree, he is not good enough to be coming on.

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In total agreement

we have one of the most technically gifted players in the league sitting on the bench and we bring on young and giggs.

there is playing it safe. and then there is having no imagination.

kagawa could have won us that game as it was there for the taking.

still a point is better than nothing, but just think we could have got all 3.

lets hope kags starts the next one and bags a couple.

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I believe Moyes wanted a little more control over the midfield s he brought on the wise head of Giggs to ensure United didn't lose, Good move defensively, But I fell Kagawa would have been a better option to bring on!

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I've been saying it for a while I'm not sure kags is a moyes type player not sure where he fits in

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26 Aug 2013 21:22:49
Becarefull what you wish for!

Roney is not for sale at all. He's amazing when motivated. I hope he stays!

Eat it haters.

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Nick, even though I have my issues with Wayne, I actually said he should start tonight, but his technique was not amazing, bar a few decent passes.

No one doubts his work rate and commitment WHEN motivated, but it shouldn't be too much to expect him to be motivated all the time, when he's getting paid a small fortune.

I'm sorry, and I know his fans will say I wasn't watching the same game, but he needs to bring more to the table than doing a lot of running, and putting in the odd good tackle. Some of his passes and touches are still way too loose.

And please stop this childish 'hater's' nonsense. Not liking the guy or thinking it might be a good idea if he left, does not make you a hater. Time to grow up my friend.

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Stevie, would you not agree with me in saying Rooney was by far our best player and looked most eager to get a good result? We know he has great ability just his attitude is questioned yet today he had the best attitude out of any of our players!

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Oz, I thought he had a decent game, and it's a step in the right direction, but I don't think he was our best player - any one of our central midfield or defence should get that honour.

I just think, that some on here are so desperate to see the Wayne of a few years ago, and wanted him to step up tonight to prove a point, that they over-emphasise a couple of good moments, and ignore quite a few bad touches and poor control.

Just as Danny wasn't suddenly a natural goalscorer just because of a couple of goals against Swansea, despite what some posters on here would have you believe, so Rooney isn't suddenly a top-class talent again, just because of a few good passes, and a good tackle against Ramires.

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26 Aug 2013 21:21:12
This game shows we are crying out for a creative midfield player and possibly a winger if nani leaves! distinctively lacking in final third ideas. been great apart from that final third. and poor night for wellbecks shooting boots.

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26 Aug 2013 21:00:49
Where's all the mid-half rants?

Actually sort of miss them, if only to remind the premature fools of their stupidity at the end of the game :)

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26 Aug 2013 20:54:04
Not a bad first half, it's been a cagey affair and well executed tactically from both managers. The game will need to open up sooner or later and hope it's us who can score first. If Chelsea score Jose is going to shut-up shop. Our weakest areas have been okay thus far. Evra is doing well and I think Cleverley hasn't mis-placed a single pass and made two very good tackles to break up play. Shot wasn't great, but it was his left foot. Carrick stead as ever and I think Rooney has helped them out well when we haven't had the ball. it's been a good first half and I hope we can stay tight, but be a bit more adventurous going forward.

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26 Aug 2013 20:53:28
DM didn't do a half time team talk. He popped next door to tap up mata!

But in all seriousness let's buy him.

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26 Aug 2013 20:53:25
No clear cut chances either way, but we can certainly be much happier after the first half. Some encouraging signs for sure. Rooney is playing very well and working so hard. Cleverley has done well too imo as have Rio and Vidic, both looked very solid. Chelsea still pose a threat of course, but I fancy us to win it.

Come on United!

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26 Aug 2013 20:51:04
Damn, Jones and his over zealous attitude, looks to have picked up an injury in his lower back. Hope its not serious. Rooney playing well. Chelsea don't seem to be clicking with each other for all the quality they have. A few passes going astray but that's expected. Moyes looks to have gotten his tactics spot on. Hopefully United can get a win out of this one.

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26 Aug 2013 20:50:42
Is mourinho playing more mind games by not starting with an actual striker?

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26 Aug 2013 20:44:27
I think united have already signed Cesc Fabregas,
he is wearing Tom Cleverly's jersey tonight.

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26 Aug 2013 20:41:03
I'm glad to share the news, that it appears Toni is BACK! That's like a new signing isn't it?.

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By back you mean running back. He is shocking for a winger. Yes he's good defensively but I don't know what's worse jog and turn back Valencia or pass backwards cleverly.

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Yeah, the best defensive winger in the world! 250th best attacking winger unfortunately.

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26 Aug 2013 20:07:02
Were boned, Martin Atkinson is the Ref. How does that guy always get the United v Chelsea game after so so many bad decisions.

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26 Aug 2013 19:53:55
Don't want to wish an injury but cleverly to get a knock put jones into midfield to boost the urgency of our chase for a cm.

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26 Aug 2013 19:51:28
Kbj

Not seen your name before and you're more than welcome to join the fun. But my friend, go easy on the insults please. Insulting a regular with one of your 1st posts is a not a great move. It's a banter site so try a little humour.

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26 Aug 2013 20:31:19
Rooney is playing well tonight, hope he can get a goal or two for his efforts. Atkinson isn't doing too bad either.

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Sydney, are you feeling alright?Complimenting Mr. Rooney just isn't your style.

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Funny to see Jose lose it Syd when De Bruyne got a yellow card lol and Van Persie game him a bloody nose too.

Red Daz

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He is playing okay just needs to take his time more and look up. I have to say it has been a very tight game with both teams respecting each other, just hoping we manage to get a goal or two as I can see Mata coming on and scoring.

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Rooney! Best player so far. I just hope he stays.

Id we add Ozil or Mata. Uiiii

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26 Aug 2013 20:06:47
Great reception for Rooney again. Loving his attitude so far. Working his socks off.

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26 Aug 2013 19:37:29
'I can't explain my thinking because Moyes is listening to this interview! I go for ability. I want to try and win the game.

So he goes for ability yet Mata is not picked ahead of any of the 4 of De Bruyne, Oscar, Hazard and Schurrle. I would pick him ahead of all of them.

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Could be wrong, George, but I thought he said, 'agility'.

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He is defending with 11 guys. He is full of rubbish. our CB are almost in their half with 11 chelsea players defending.

Welbeck is being wasteful with some of his passing. Evra very solid debruyne has gotten nothing on the left side so far.

Rooney has been good and so has the back four.

Almost halftime. Maybe Kagawa for Cleverly to add a bit more quality in the second half. Can't believe we are dominating possession.

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He said mobility

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Didn't he say 'mobility'?

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He said mobility mate

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He said mobility in a different sentence guys,

"Normally I get good results at Old Trafford, but I always enjoy to play here, for the good and for the bad. I go for mobility, I want to come to try to win the game, but instead of playing with one target man I play with four attacking players and we are going to try to create them problems. The result in the end will make the judgement - Jose was right or Jose was wrong."

He said this before that:

'I can't explain my thinking because Moyes is listening to this interview! I go for ability. I want to try and win the game. I don't go with a defensive team, instead of playing with one target man we play with four attacking players and we hope to cause problems.

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26 Aug 2013 19:23:18
Quite a bold line up. I worry how we'll cope defensively, Jones will struggle to contain Hazard, and Rio and Vidic at CB means we have a lack of pace in the defence.

With Jones at RB the midfield picks itself. And there's no suprises to see Valencia and Welbeck start in the wide roles witb only Zaha as the other option out wide.

Interesting to see Rooney start, now i'm not his biggest fan but I have a feeling he's going to have a blinder tonight. I think it makes sense to start him as when he tires later on in the game which he will do with his lack of games recently then we can bring Kagawa on to see out or bring something different to the game.

Well i'm looking forward to this, hopefully we get the rub of the green and win this game which will give the players confidence going into the rest of the season. If we're unlucky and lose then its only the second game of the season and nothings won in August. Lol.

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Zaha is not on the bench which is a surprise as his pace late on could have been really threatening.

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26 Aug 2013 19:58:25
Moyes has gone with experiance. Yes it would have been nice to be able to bring Zaha late on in the game, but at the same time he isn't great defensively so it would be a huge gamble to bring him on late in the game.

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26 Aug 2013 19:23:13
Think rooney had to start today.
If rooney can play really well I think it may allow moyes to demand a high fee, with chelsea more willing to pay it. No mata again for chelsea, something must be up, imo he's their best player.

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26 Aug 2013 19:21:30
So what does everyone think about Mata not starting and no striker in their formation? Lukaku must be so annoyed! I would love either of them at united but don't think we will ever see it.

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It's all about pace, Jose going to play on the break.
Schurrle can and has played cf

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What happens when Willian and possibly Martinez comes in? Where will Mata play? {Ed018's Note - good question, has me scratching my head}

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I now jred he has played there quite a bit just a little shocked they have gone with the false 9 instead of Lukaku who always plays immense against us.

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Jred, if you are going for pace and on the break then Lukaku is a must. That is how Lukaku plays and the job he did very well at WBA. I think actions speak louder than words and agree with Jamie Carragher, Jose is showing he needs a striker and I think Mata on the bench says it all. I think if MU were interested in Mata and Mata wanted to move to MU, then I think the next offer for Rooney would be a player plus cash deal.

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I am so confused by Mourinho's selection and the signing of Willian and leaving Mata out. It is mind boggling to say the least. Mata would be my first name on the team sheet at Chelsea without a doubt. I can't make out what Lukaku has to do to get a start at Chelsea especially in this system with the players they have he would be immense with all of them running of him.

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Syd
Because schrurrle is just as quick and is better at linking up.
I don't think Jose would use a game as big as this to make a point he needs a striker, everyone all ready knows he needs a striker.
I think Neville got it right schrurrle will try and stretch vidic and ferdy

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26 Aug 2013 19:20:02
Also, no recognised striker for Chelsea. They have loads of quality and quantity in CM/AM so we will need to keep things tight in the middle and stay switched on at the back. Let's hope we can nick a goal or 2 at the other end through Rooney or RvP.

Juan Mata on the bench again tonight, which is interesting.

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I think Jose playing with no recognised striker and having Mata on the bench says Chelsea need a striker, but Mata isn't as important as people think. 002 says there's been no enquiry for Mata, I think Jose is hoping there's one so it would make the next bid much easier. I think if MU and Mata are interested, Chelsea may just do a swap. I cannot see it happening though.

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26 Aug 2013 19:11:38
So, Rooney starts apparently. Big call by DM!

Enjoy the game, guys.

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26 Aug 2013 19:07:09
Mata on bench, Rooney starting. Jones at RB. Young makes bench, Kagawa on bench too which is good news.

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26 Aug 2013 19:01:01
Thanks kbj. I have supported united since 68 and been a supporter since then. So I can assure you that I'm not a scouser in disguise! I was there when we won the European cup in 68. I was at Wembley when Lou macari fired us to our fa cup win against Liverpool. I was at Wembley when we lost 3-2 against arsenal. I also lived thru the 70"s and 80"s when the scousers were winning everything. So I've been there and seen it my friend.
Sorry that I don't share your sense of wild optimism. But if you think just because we won the league last year that we should all just turn up to win it again, then you are sadly mistaken.
Anyway, I'm sorry if u feel my posts are negative and upsetting. So it is better for me to shut up and stop posting and let u guys get on with it.
On a personal note, as u asked, I AM a bundle of laughs as my family and friends will agree, I'm also extremely happy!
Anyway, Good luck to united for tonight, I enjoyed this site but I don't need to take any insults from anyone.

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Come on Nomidfield, ignore the eejit, we all love you.

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Correct spelling of eejit, duly noted :)

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Take no notice pal I enjoy your posts they (usually:) make a lot of sense.
Plus by this time next week you will be able to change your name to 'NewMidfield':)

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With AJH on this. It will be boring without your continuos complaining about our no midfield:)

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26 Aug 2013 17:49:27
I have never thought it a good idea to keep an unhappy player at any club and whether Rooney was or is unhappy with how much of the situation having been so publicly talked about there is certainly no smoke without fire. That being said and with his head reportedly looking towards Chelsea I think Mata plus cash in our favour would be a a good piece o business. Having read spurs' supposed interest in lamela (spelling) pursuing this player for me would give us two truly top class forwards alongside RVP who in my book should be in the running for uefa player award come December! I'm all but sure Fellaini will join and love him or hate him he would certainly bring a midfield enforcer presence to the squad that we are missing. I'm also hoping that this mysterious rival bale bid is no us as with the no interest from fabregas we would only b embarrassed further when bale chooses Madrid over us! My personal midfield choices would be dungodan or bender but I reckon there is more choice of Barcelona being relegated than either if those two coming!

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26 Aug 2013 17:29:10
Phelan Interview

"Phelan said: "That was a personal issue between him, the club, the manager, and he made his point clear.

"I think deep down Wayne is that type of player where he needs to feel comfortable. He wants to play his football on the biggest stage and I think he's got that where he is.

"If there's something else on the horizon we'll find out later. But I don't think there's been too many clubs who have actually said 'we will take Wayne Rooney'."

Manchester United seem to be playing the long game, " he said. "They might as well wait now. Who will they replace Wayne Rooney with? That's the question.

"The ones they had on the radar they don't seem to be able to nail down yet, so I think Wayne Rooney will continue to be a Manchester United player for the not-so-foreseeable future.

"What will happen during the season and going into the next transfer window nobody knows."

Interesting stuff

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We will not sell him unless we get the players we want. That is obvious.

I think if we had got the player then he would be allowed to leave this summer.

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Phelan won't have a clue anyway as Moyes has his own targets. Obviously if Moyes came in and signed all of SAF's targets he would know but hit has not gone that way imo.

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26 Aug 2013 16:35:17
You have to take your hat of to Munich, best team in Europe won everything last year and still went out and bought thiago and goetze and are now making a move for bale.
Just shows you what an ambitious self sufficient club can really achieve no need for a sugar daddy .

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BM have net spent around £9m thus far.

Luckily for them they have been able to shift unwanted players from their squad and still have plenty more that can raise sufficient funds. They are certainly doing everything right though and Thiago and Goetze are two WC signings.

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I am not sure about this Bale bid from BM. I think they are trying to get Oezil, but indirectly. BM have an interest in Oezil and I can see a situation where Bale goes to RM and Oezil goes to BM and all parties are happy.

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Bayern are doing what Inter, United, AC, and a few clubs have failed to do in recent years. When they have had a successful team they have left the players to age and then suffered from needing too many in too quick. We should have had Scholes', Giggs' and Carrick's replacements in 2 or 3 years ago to bleed them into the team to then eventually push them out and replace them.

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Munich have no chance of getting Bale, he wants a move to Real.

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Why not just put a bid for ozil and where is he going to play in that bayern team?

I can see the bale in and Robben out as that is a like for like replacement and an upgrade on what they. Guardiola is a lucky boy, first a loaded barca team and now a loaded bayern team, makes managing easy.

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Syd
It's more like 20 mill and that's before agent fees etc.
They have bought there main rivals best young player and look to have there striker next summer.
Paid the get out for gotze Martinez thiago . And got guardiola.
To add that kind of quality to what is all ready a very good team shows real ambition

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Oezil isn't available Shahram. RM do not want to sell him. Oezil is a long-term target of BM and would fit into the team fine. If that does happen, then why not an enquiry for Thomas Mueller?

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Jred, I agree they are some top players.

BM have sold Emre, Gomez, Gustavo & Petersen for an estimated 50m euro. Even with the agents fees, signing on fees etc etc it's less than £20m net spent.

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Syd
Players in 55 mill, players out 36 as far as I can work out . Sterling
But it's the quality of players they are going after

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Thiago and Goetze were 62m euros. Gustavo & Gomez alone went for 40m euros. Petersen & Emre 3m euros & 6.5m euros respectively. Tymo off the wage bill.

If we are talking about ambition, then MU had an interest in all of them bar Martinez. Thiago, Goetze, Lew & Guardiola all interested MU. We went for two of them and planned to go for the other one (Goetze) next summer according to 002. Perhaps we have an issue with pulling power, but the ambition is there.

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Gustavo and Gomes never went for that

Lol were had an interest .
Munich actually out the money in the table and bought them, says it All really

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26 Aug 2013 16:14:14
I think we will line up like we did against Swansea, maybe one or two changes with Giggs maybe benched with Kagawa coming in and Jones moved into Midfield with maybe Valencia or Fabio at right back.

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Giggs being benched? how on earth u can dream like that!!

no way.

he is a charmer and still manages to get selected above all quality we have

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I said something earlier, but it never got posted. Perhaps 002 edited it ;)

I think we may see Jones at RB, but would prefer to see Fabio or Valencia like you said and Jones move to midfield. I think it's possible Kagawa may be fit enough to return now, but more than likely he would be on the bench due to lack of match fitness. I would be surprised to see Rooney start.

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Don't know if you saw but I was hoping we'd have Valencia at RB as his pace and strength should help deal with Hazard. Then Welbeck in infront of him on the right because of his recent form and work rate then play Jones in midfield with Carrick because that's about as solid as we can get in that area. Kagawa on the left with Rooney behind RvP in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

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Logic,

I am getting a bit bored of your posts already, reading all the way down the page it's negative after negative, are you kloots son? All capital letters in the username, making out that your OPINION is the logical one and stating it as fact.

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Your post is on the team page syd, that's why it wasn't seen.

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Syd, I really hope we do not play Smalling at RB as Hazard would have a field day with him. Honestly my ideal line up tonight would be a 4321/433 with Valencia at RB, Jones holding the midfield with Anderson and Carrick either side of him, then Welbeck on the left of the forwards and RVP up top and Zaha on the right as I could see Cole struggling with Zaha due to his pace and Cole is ageing. With Kagawa coming on to the left in the second half.

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Goerge

Zaha is not ready to give cole much trouble and cole is still a top defender and Zaha defensively is not good enough when you are trying to neutralize a chelsea type midfield.

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That is my only doubt but the unpredictable side to Zaha could work in our favour. Who else could play there unless we play welbeck on the right Kagawa or Giggs on the left.

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Cleverley will play George mate. I think Jones will probably play RB. Zaha is not ready to start and Valencia likes playing Zaha come on as a late sub if we need a goal. Cannot believe we are without Hernandez, Rafael, Nani, Young with Rooney in limbo and Kagawa still not 100%. Chelsea certainly have the more complete and ready side. I think we will do okay tonight.

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26 Aug 2013 16:14:06
Think if we are going to bring any new players in idealy it will be before the Liverpool game rather than on deadline day, and to play in that game they would need to be registered by friday I believe so hopefully some signing before then.

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26 Aug 2013 16:02:16
All the big boys bidding for Bale wonder who we're bidding for! Anyone on here thinking we are bidding is delusional!

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In fairness I haven't seen many posts from people thinking we've bid for him. I hope not in any case £80m odd? For a vastly overrated player. We could sign 2 or 3 better players for that type of cash.

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Don't ruin it mate, given our transfers this summer, it is the only thing left for some of us :)

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Had a big rant of a reply but I actually can't be bothered! I'm just sick we can't seem to compete for the best! this is the worst part. I'm envious of other clubs shame on me saying that as a Utd fan! but when you look at all the top clubs and the money they're spending it's just so frustrating especially if you consider the money the club generates and we're suppose to be one of the biggest clubs in the world! It seems we put our name to anything these days for money and we have some massive sponsorship deals that other clubs could only dream about yet where's the investment in the team? How can other clubs do it and we can't?

Well look at that. It turned into a rant anyway! :) Just so frustrated

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Can't blame you for feeling like that. It is frustrating.

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26 Aug 2013 15:54:51
Reading the guardian today had to chuckle as it was Mourinho spouting that chelsea is bigger club than united. not saying chelski are small club but there history only started in 2003 that bloke is really deluded and maybe i'm wrong but Iv noticed how he keeps having a dig at united is that because before he got boot from Madrid did he think he was getting united job because he was constantly praising united . anyway folks heading up to stadium soon and i'm going for 2-0 United. GGMU

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Clemo,

Posts like this mean Jose has done exactly what he wanted to do, annoyed united by talking a load of rubbish. Ignore the mind games, everybody knows who the biggest club are.

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Do you think he is bitter that he didn't get offered united job??

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Yes he is bitter. And yes we should have offered him the job.

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26 Aug 2013 15:37:00
I have finally been compelled to post, after months of listening to certain people whinging.
Nomidfield should change his tag to Mr Doom and Gloom, bloody hell I bet your a bundle of laughs. We are the Champions and you still just come up with pessimistic posts. I wonder if you are a scouser in disguise.
You can't of been a supporter in the 70s and 80s, you would of killed yourself.
We have been spoilt over the last few years and it has bred a spoilt type of fan, nothing is good enough, and this why we are unpopular. Fans of clubs struggling down the league get more enjoyment than many on here and we are extremely successful.
So chill a bit and try and enjoy it.
KBJ

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Well said! good post let's hope others follow suit with your mentality

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Top post, and remember everyone we need to get behind our new manager. Were off to a great start so far, and hopefully it will continue tonight.

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Good post, mate.

I've been away on holiday for the last two weeks, and only occasionally caught up on some of the posts.

Have to say, I worry about some on here and their near hysteria over a flippin' transfer window - they seem to think that football, and particularly Utd, is the most important thing in their lives.

They need to get out more, and spend some time with their families and friends - you know, the really important things.

Utd will survive, believe it or not people, just as they always have, and they've faced much worse than one, up til now, barren transfer window.

Sometimes, and I know it's heresy nowadays to even think that Utd don't have a God-given right to win everything, but I think a few barren years might even help us shed some of the more fickle fans.

Especially those who are leaving their season tickets unused this year, and those who think we'll go from champions last year, to outside the top 4 this season, just because we might not buy anyone this window.

You know who you are.

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26 Aug 2013 17:12:48
Lol, good post mate., I have a great bottle of wine being chilled and going to enjoy the game tonight. Got my kids all our new gear in London a couple of days ago and they are more optimistic than most guys here, although our transfer dealings this summer has been nothing short of puzzling and weird to say the least.

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Thanks kbj. I have supported united since 68 and been a supporter since then. So I can assure you that I'm not a scouser in disguise! I was there when we won the European cup in 68. I was at Wembley when Lou macari fired us to our fa cup win against Liverpool. I was at Wembley when we lost 3-2 against arsenal. I also lived thru the 70"s and 80"s when the scousers were winning everything. So I've been there and seen it my friend.
Sorry that I don't share your sense of wild optimism. But if you think just because we won the league last year that we should all just turn up to win it again, then you are sadly mistaken.
Anyway, I'm sorry if u feel my posts are negative and upsetting. So it is better for me to shut up and stop posting and let u guys get on with it.
On a personal note, as u asked, I AM a bundle of laughs as my family and friends will agree, I'm also extremely happy!
Anyway, Good luck to united for tonight, I enjoyed this site but I don't need to take any insults from anyone.

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26 Aug 2013 15:17:16
i have to agree with mourinho on wayne rooney, moyes is as daft as a brush, for saying rooney is back-up to rvp in the media, o well I think its a case of - welcome to big school david moyes A-HA.
ps, I am going for a 2-1 win for the blues tonight, put a few quid on it.

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Why do you care? surely you are more interested in the likes of everton, arsenal, swansea etc. As I and many others would consider them your rivals

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Moyes never said Rooney is back-up for RvP. Moyes clearly said he wants to play RvP upfront with Rooney deeper.

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Look at what the cat dragged in. we are busy tonight but will deal with you lot next week :)

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You say "welcome to big school David Moyes". Just remember your beloved Liverpool aren't even in big school anymore. We stole your lunch money and sent you home crying twenty years ago. And you haven't been seen since. The biggest thing to happen to Liverpool in the last 5 years is a racism scandal. Now back in your box you puppet.

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Lolz GCU

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Jomu83

Quite possibly the best post I've ever, ever seen on this page. Absolute quality mate.

RED_SKY

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26 Aug 2013 15:05:58
Spurs really are having a brilliant summer and if they get £72m +Robben for Bale they could use him on the right wing Chadli on the left Dembele and Capoue in the middle and Paulinho behind Soldado with a new left back bought in like Coentrao they could be up there by the end of the season.

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This is 2013 not 2010, robben now plays for bayern munich. Besides robben is a better game changer than bale imo, you should see the solo goal he scored at the weekend

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1,

I hope you're joking? I think the OP knows Robben is at Bayern. You obviously haven't heard that Bayern have bid for Bale also.

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26 Aug 2013 14:57:00
Are we the "other club" that have approached 'spurs about bale? Hope not not for those figures anyway

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26 Aug 2013 14:52:47
According to reports now Spurs have approached Chelsea over Juan Mata. Well if Spurs go in for him we surely have too! I would love him to come to us but can't see it i'm afraid.

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26 Aug 2013 14:37:13
Predictions for today

I'm going for a 3-1 win for us.

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2-0, Moyes first win over Jose I think and hope.

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Thought all day may be a 2-0 win for us.

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2-1 to us

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2-1 to us

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3 v 1 to Chelsea

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2-1 and I've not decided which way yet, obviously I hope to united.

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I would like to be optimistic and and say we are going to thrash them 4-0 but unfortunately I can see us struggling especially if they select Lukaku up top instead of Torres so I am predicting a 3-1 Chelsea win. I also think there will be a few dodgy decisions tonight from the referee too but not sure in who's favour.

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26 Aug 2013 14:27:34
Could our new number 7 be Gareth bale? I have a funny feeling it might be

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I have a feeling it won't be

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Very much doubt it, think it is just Sly playing there games for the betting site.

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One of the eds has just posted it's Bayern 72 million + robben. Nuts but this is going to be fun to watch. Hope Bayern get him because can't stand the arrogance of REal Madrid.

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If Madrid miss out Ronaldo becomes even more unlikely, be it this year or next

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Ronaldo is a dream mate with or without bale going to Real. It would be good to see someone rub real's nose in rubbish. They do it to everyone and fed up with how they openly use ex players and marca to tap up players.

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26 Aug 2013 14:29:41
The tv is reporting that Spurs are considering a rival bid to Real Madrid's offer(s) with a particular part of the article quoting 'The second bidder's identity is not known but Manchester United have been linked with the forward this summer.' Do you think we could have put an offer in for Bale or is it more likely to have been one of the big money spenders out there i.e. PSG, Monaco?

Thanks

Tom (RedOne)

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26 Aug 2013 14:09:15
Press must be bored. Sneijder rumors up and going again! Can't wait for tonight. ideally would like to see a 4-3-3 with Jones in midfield. but we'll need him at RB. I think Zaha and Welbeck deserve to start, hopefully with Kagawa between them. Anyone aware of all the injury concerns?!

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No way Zaha will start. Valencia will start on the right.

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26 Aug 2013 13:16:06
I am hoping that when we beat Chelski tonight DM doesn't think that if we can beat them then our midfield can't be that bad, we are crying out for that player in midfield that will run at teams, that likes to get stuck in, just fear a good result will make him think we can make do with what we have.

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I don't think he will. I imagine when he got the job he immediately recognised that we were short of numbers there. The result tonight will have no bearing on transfer plans, we just aren't that sort of club. Fellaini will be signed by September 2nd for sure, as for Baines that's 50/50. Anyone seems unlikely.

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One result isn't going to change moyes mind about a midfielder, he knows we need one and we will have one by next week.

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Hope you are right, thought it would have been addressed by now but at least we may have a lively transfer deadline day for a change.

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26 Aug 2013 12:30:31
Looking forward to tonight. See if anyone who usually sits near me isn't coming anymore! Meet up with my mates get a couple of fanzines. Read what Woodward has really been up to and hopfully we get a result. Can't wait for this transfer window to end so we can get on with trying to win the league.

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26 Aug 2013 12:22:02
Sydney,

I can't understand you suggesting Rooney will not try against Chelsea if he were to play. "Useful as a jelly sword" were your words I believe? Rooney came on against Swansea and was excellent, setting up two goals. Yes, he was seemingly petulant when he decided not to celebrate and yes he should have acknowledged the fans at the end of the match. However, one thing about Wayne Rooney is he will always give us 100% on the pitch. No question about it.

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I am sorry but what Sydney said does not mean Rooney will not try just that he will not be as god as he could be. You say he was excellent when he came on against Swansea? Well we must have watched different games as I thought he was very poor and one of his assists only happened due to a moment of magic from Welbeck. I saw all of them same from Rooney constant dummies and flicks that go nowhere and a player that looked careless. {Ed007's Note - So you can't even give him the credit for setting up Welbeck? I hate the 'assist' stat as it is very misleading but Rooney played the through ball and set up Welbeck, there is no denying that and that will be counted as such in the stats.}

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"Yes, he was seemingly petulant when he decided not to celebrate"

I am only going to say this once more. Rooney got taken out by Michu and was still picking himself off the ground as the players were running away celebrating. No petulance just a big whack on the ankle. Wise up people.

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I too don't understand some people here.
Wazza is a class! He gives 100 % in every match. He drives in front when he is needed in attacking role and runs behind to defend as well.
He has scored nearly 200 goals for Manchester United for GOD'S SAKE. How can he not be world class. U can hate him for his recent behaviour but can't ignore the fact that he is WORLD CLASS.
and yes he will definitely give his best today

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Ed007 I am not saying he didn't get the assist, all I am saying is it was a simple pass and 99% of the time nothing would have come of it. {Ed007's Note - That's why Rooney is in the top 1% of players though and sets him apart from the rest ;-)

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I meant his head will be all over the place. Nothing more.

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George so you're slagging off Rooney and Welbeck at the same time, well done mate. Rooney did look dangerous against Swansea, you could tell his experience and idea of the game was valued when he came on. For example the first touch pass upto RvP for his second goal was golden and the fact he then ran as fast as he possibly could the other side of Robin to give the centre half a big decision to make which aided RvP with the goal. You're either in denial about Wayne or you just don't know much about football. Regardless, Wayne Rooney may not be as fit/fast as he was as a young kid but he's still a bloody talented footballer.

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Now reports that Real might look at Rooney if the Bale deal is hijacked. Rooney+ 30 million to madrid with Modric and Ozil in return would be a dream.

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Ozwald - Not at all mate, In fact what I am saying is if it wasnt for Welbeck's touch of genius Rooney's pass would have been just that. I know he is a talented footballer I have never denied that at all. My argument is he is getting praise for a simple pass because of Welbecks finish which wouldn't have gone in 99 other times out of 100. He will never be as fast or agile as he was and has a silly habbit these days of trying constant dummies and flicks which never work and anyone who says he doesn't has not been watching us for 2 years. It isn't Rooney bashing it is what my eyes have been seeing and my opinion that is all.

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His poke through to Welbeck was perfectly weighted and timed, I can think of a few players in our team that would have mucked up something as simple as that. If you're saying that Welbeck would have missed 99 times out of 100, to me that sounds like you're slagging him off! Not saying his finishing is great but it's not as bad as you make it sound. Think people take Rooney for granted because honestly he looked decent when he came on against Swansea if you take into account the fact he's played 60 minutes of pre season in an international friendly, don't you?

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26 Aug 2013 12:12:53
This Summer it really feels as if we are waiting for scraps from a rich mans table. If Real buy Bale then maybe they'll sell someone to us to meet the cost of Bale. Nobody but us wants two players from Everton and still we are expected to pay top dollar. If Barca need the money maybe they'll sell Fabregas to us and so it goes on!

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I think it has been happening for a few years now. With the arrival of the super rich teams and the constant existence and draw of barca, real and bayern, we will find it very difficult to buy top players as, rightly or wrongly, we don't want to pay top dollar for players.
Personally, I want us to compete with the top teams for the best players, but I don't think this view is shared by our owners or the chairman. I also think that this is the reason mourinho was not recruited. He would have wanted to spend, which goes against the grain as far as glazers are concerned.

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26 Aug 2013 11:47:13
It would be great if people can come on here and talk about Zaha and adnan as well because those 2 would become great players, if I was Moyes I would try to mix them with experience we have now and watch them Terrorise the defenders

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Agreed. Januzaj needs games now. As for zaha, I got a feeling he won't last long in Manchester. He's already tweeting he's bored, blablabla.
Too much money far too early and you get this spoilt attitude.

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NM, you having a laugh?!

The only tweets I see from Zaha are that he wants to get his head down and work hard and that his mum is very proud of him. Posted a picture of himself the other day in a United training kit with the caption "love the life you live".

Think you must be following a parody account maybe?

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Oz

Apparently he did tweet asking what there is to do in Manchester as he was bored etc etc, but tweet was later removed

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26 Aug 2013 10:57:10
USE LOGIC

Come on, you're really that policeman from 'Allo 'Allo aren't you? :-)

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26 Aug 2013 09:48:15
So sky have came out saying spurs are negotiating with a 2nd club for the sale of bale would be great if that's us, or can it be a way to make Real put up or shut up? Thoughts please people

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I don't believe it to be honest. I think Spurs are stalling until they have completed their signings. If they accepted Zenit will want more for Hulk and Roma will want more for Lamela.

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If you try to even attempt logic for why Bale has returned from Spain without signing for Real, and IF Spurs are in negotiation with another club.

PSG have already got plenty of forward type players
City have also spent plenty
Chelsea maybe but cannot see it
United doubt it we would pay that much, Swap Rooney? Can't see him going there although maybe he loves being big fish in smaller pond. no
Myself I think Bale wants Real no matter what so its nonsense imo

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I hope not, 70 million or whatever the number is silly and he might turnout to be a silly investment like kaka at 56 million. Only player worth that kind of money is CR07.

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26 Aug 2013 12:34:16
Or maybe its a cynical ploy to get more people to place money on him joining another club with Sly.

The fact of the matter is Bale is in Spain and he only wants to join Real Madrid. So that's where he'll go.

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Shappy is correct, sly have said it as even though the odds are at 20/1 for him to join real there receiving a lot of bets to are hinting at this to recoup some of the money they'll be paying out

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Ladbrokes have him at 1/12 to join Real now and we are second favorites. If it is Bayern, we might see some german efficiency and the thing gets done in 24 hours.

It would be some week to remember, first Chelsea and Willian and now Bayern:)

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26 Aug 2013 09:36:42
Roll on the "were going to sign bale" band wagon ;)

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26 Aug 2013 09:23:49
Ok before we all start getting all excited we are NOT the other team in for bale? Spurs will not sell to united! This has daniel levy written all over it, trying to unsettle madrid and ronald! Ronaldo does not want his fee broken by his club! Spurs are now playing on this by including a phantom team! Bale is getting fed up with them for not agreeing to spurs demands and the fact he has not had his dream move! he absolutely loves tottenham! The club and its fans and couldn't see himself at another prem team! I was speaking to loads of their fans over the weekend about his departure they all wished him well! not one put him down in anyway saying how can you not really turn down the biggest club in the world and behind barca and munich as the best clubs in the world!

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I wish we had levy at united instead of the tw@t we've got there.

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26 Aug 2013 09:10:12
I really believe that Jose is psychologically trying to push Moyes into playing Rooney tonight as he knows he is not fit and not mentally in the right place but he knows that Moyes wants to prove he is not for sale. He has put Moyes in an almost impossible position and heeped the pressure on him. Welcome to the world of managing a big club Mr Moyes

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Moyes will put him on the bench because he will be well aware that Rooney will be about as useful as a jelly sword.

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I think Moyes will pick the team he believes has the best chance of beating Chelsea.

anything else is media BS

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Agrees, their midfield will be difficult to handle if Rooney starts. I think we might see a similar set up to the swansea game. Shame Hernandez is not fit and is Ashley young ever going to be fit? he has been out since last April, does anyone know when he is coming back?

I pray we don't play smalling as right back as he is very poor there and hazard will have a field day with him.

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I do not care what anyone says Mourinho was the best available manager this summer.

Whether he was always going to Chelsea? I doubt it. Whether SAF was influenced to name a lesser man by the board? We don't know. Whether Jose himself wanted and hoped the job was for him and SAF alone decided he wasnt the man? We will never know.

But Jose Mourinho was the biggest signing of the summer and the best thing Moyes could do is take no notice at all and deflect anything instead of running the risk of going head to head with the mind games so early in the season and giving Jose and Chelsea the advantage.

Use it as a sign of fear from them and get the best out of our team tonight to get the three points!

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Jono, he was the best stop-gap available I'd agree.

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Jono

Let's wait and see. You don't win football matches in press conferences. He had a disaster of a year by any measure at RM last year given what he had at his disposal. I think he is great when things are going his way but goes off the deep end when things start to go the wrong way.

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26 Aug 2013 09:07:10
Jose showing a bit of man management that Sir Alex would have been proud of. On the day of the game he has made it all about Moyes and Rooney therefore taking all the pressure of his players and lumping it all onto us. You may not like him but he has learnt from the master and is now striding round the Premiership with a big grin on his face like he owns it for as he looks around and he looks at someone like Moyes who looks like a startled deer in the headlights everytime he is at a press conference and who never stops talking about Sir Alex, he must laugh to himself. Can you imagine him trying this if Sir Alex was still in charge.

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Jose was snubbed by MU in favour of David Moyes. I would say Moyes is the one grinning here, not Jose the circus clown. Everyone knows who Jose would really like to be managing right now and they are not based in Fulham.

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Kloot, I don't always agree with your posts, but this time you have it spot on.

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I think this is great because if there is a club and bunch of players that you do not wish to piss off, it is United and part of our DNA to prove people wrong.

A easy victory will have him eating humble pie and probably run to abra and ask for 100 million more in spending using the loss as a reason.

He only knows how to win with a big budget and buy buy buy.

Lat time I was this excited was the city game away last year, similar build up to the game.

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Mourinho is playing us and especially Moyes like a toy. He's winning all the mental battles and Chelsea will come here very confident of beating us.
Only hope we have is if they get over confident.
I agree with kloot, he's put all the pressure on Moyes to play Rooney. If he doesn't play him and lose, mourinho will be vindicated. If we play him and lose, he would have achieved what he wanted by getting the three points.
Shame he wasn't on our side doing it to Chelsea!

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No midfield - 2 games in and he's won the mental battle?! Whilst time my prove you to be right or wrong; stop being pessimistic! It seems joses mind games have worked on you too!

Give Moyes a chance! He's win 1 out of 1 so far! City got beat of Cardiff however if that was us we'd be calling for DM to be sacked! let's all get behind the team and not let Jose influence any of our thinking!

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Adz, there are MU fans who think the sun shines out of Jose's ass. Some get get pretty orgasmic over him. Others like myself see the embarrassing cretin that he is.

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With Syd on that, Jose is starting to embarrass himself and it pains me to see anyone mention him in the same sentence as Sir Alex.

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Oz, eye gouging Vilanova was so cringeworthy. He really went down in my estimations that night. He talks far too much and his arrogance is sickening. Moyes is the one laughing here, he's the one who is managing Manchester United and was chosen to do so by the great Sir Alex Ferguson.

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I've said it from the start - classless buffoon.

He's becoming a cliched parody of himself.

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26 Aug 2013 09:05:49
The mouth mourinho is at it again, this lad is an attention seeking freak and I'm delighted he didn't get the utd job!

He always has far to much to say and will be a disaster at chelsea this time around.

The media are having a love affair with him at the moment, but when he slips up ( and he definitely will) they will all turn on him in an instant and destroy him .

Hope we stuff him, terry and fat frank tonight and show them what it is to have a bit of class

Roonbest

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26 Aug 2013 12:00:34
I am a chelsea fan here in peace, but you are making me laugh. Mourinho seeking attention? If anything he is trying to unsettle Rooney, Moyes and United, he's not seeking attention. I think you are just jealous and scared of us. Fat frank? He is the fittest player in the Prem, and people still call him fat, what a lack of respect.

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Of course he is trying to unsettle Rooney and Moyes but the fact he's making it so obvious is slightly cringe and almost embarrassing. Johnny, come back and say frank is the fittest player in the prem when he's 39 and still running rings around players half his age.

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Leets not be too biased here, mourinho is only doing what Ferguson used to do to other teams. If we give it, then we got to be prepared to take it.

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Ok jhonny cfc I will take back the fat frank comments as I have to admit that he is still arguably your best midfielder ( bit of a joke considering the money spent ) but your welcome to the one man show that is mourinho, he is an arrogant git and one I am glad we didn't choose

Time will tell of course but I can only see him running away again in few years when the media are sick of him

Anyway Looking forward to tonights game and I can see a 2-1 utd win with Van persie and welbeck scoring for us and frank " the fittest player in the league " lampard for yous

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Jonny,

Jealous of what exactly?

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26 Aug 2013 14:25:50
All I can say is that please do come back when you will have a player that has scored 200+ goals from midfield position.

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Jonny, we don't need one, we have centre forwards who can score goals, and the likes of Scholes and Giggs scored a lot from midfield.

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Johnny, so what he's scored a lot of goals from midfield, but is he the one that Xavi, Zidane, Messi all say they wish they'd played with or is that Paul Scholes? Is Frank the player Pep Guardiola said he'd have in his team when he had arguably the best team in the history of football at Barca, hmm think that was Paul Scholes. Did Massimo Moratti offer a 'however much you want' cheque to Chelsea for Frank Lampard because I think that was actually Paul Scholes.

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26 Aug 2013 09:03:24
It looks like Erickson will be going to either Liverpool or Ac Milan. Given what is being quoted I am surprised we are not looking at him as he is better than what we have.

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26 Aug 2013 10:42:46
Because he is looking for a club in a better league than Holland so he can put himself in a bigger shop window and get his dream move to Spain, preferably to Barcelona. England is the better league but Milan have champions league which is the better stage.

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I do not rate him at all, he has stalled in development and wants to use a club as a stepping stone to Madrid or Barca. It frustrates me as 2 years ago I thought he was the most similar player to Paul Scholes and could have been a great replacement after a couple of years.

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I tend to agree and ot sure how he would do in Pl but watched him a lot last year and he was miles better than strootman who we were supposedly interested and was very good against city in both games in CL group stage.

He is better than cleverly and anderson and for 12 million seems like a very good buy.

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26 Aug 2013 06:03:35
In Florida now, not a rumour I know but on the way to Manchester airport a couple of days ago and stopped of at a welcome break on the way and bumped into and started chatting to none other than permatan Clayton Blackmore. Actually one of my idols from when I was younger and then had to explain with the use of my phone who he was to my 7 year old son who was trying to understand why daddy was acting strangely and had gone a bit gooey.

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26 Aug 2013 00:58:41
Just back from work, and watched the highlights of the Cardiff game.

Maybe a few on here might begin to realise, that you can spend all the money you want on players, but you cannot buy team spirit.

Any team from the same league, can beat another on any given day - hell, even teams from lower leagues can beat teams higher up on any given day.

Best 11 on paper is not always a guarantee of victory.

I know this might shock a few of you on here, who get their ideas on how to build and run a successful club from the latest computer game, but footballers are human, with human failings. Great talent does not always go hand in hand, with great mental fortitude.

This club of ours has the team spirit ethos ingrained in their DNA. It's this spirit that gets us the messy 1-0 wins away from home, or the last minute goals.

It is this team spirit, rather than just a sexy, new foreign No.10, with shiny legs and a winning smile, that will keep this club going forward, and have us challenging again this season, and the season after that.

Cardiff, today you have shown that 11 committed, hungry players, can beat a team, who many on here point to as being an example of how we should be doing our transfer business.

And you have given a reminder to us all, why we love this crazy game called football.

StevieK

ps. loved the 'Poznan'
pps. you'd have got your butts kicked on FIFA or Football Manager :)

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That's why I rate players like cabaye so highly. Even in 'lesser' teams the effort and commitment is the first thing we should look at not name, not who he plays for, price etc

It's only 11 v 11 and tactics win games.

Plus I would also like to point out I thought the ref was great yesterday. Let loads of 'nowadays fouls' go and kept the game going very well while also keeping his cards away.

Top game all around and better result ;)

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This incident comes under rare. it can happen to any1. even to united.

so don't make your heart feel comfortable with this self understandings, in absence of quality signings.

try to accept the fact. so far we haven't manage to improve the squad.

any injury to a key player will tear apart our season progress.

so just pray that none of RVP, VIDIC, or Carrick don't get injured.

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StevieK

I agree with what you are saying regards team spirit and that simply throwing money at a problem does not necessarily fix it (however in football it usually does)

However 11 talented hungry players against 11 not so talented hungry players will end in defeat every time for the weaker team.

I don't think anyone on here wants us to throw money around like city do but we DO need to strengthen in certain areas its a must. Bayern are the perfect examples of not standing still and everyone would agree last year they were immense.

Team spirit will get you so far but as Cardiff (and United possibly if we don't strengthen) will find out this season it won't cut it over the course of the season

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Thanks for the lesson in life there, Logic.

Devil, I know 9 times out of 10, the better team on paper will win. I was just celebrating the fact that this game can still throw up results like this, in the face of such overwhelming odds, and highlighting the fact that hunger, desire to win, and a strong team spirit, can still count for something.

StevieK

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Steviek, as much as I enjoyed the match and I'm still laughing about it now. The fact of the matter, is city were all over them and Cardiff scored goals two and three from corners. City had a load of possession and shots on goal, and on another day, they could have scored 6 or 7. It was a freak result. At one stage, they had over 77% possession.
So let's not kid ourselves that commitment on its own is going to win the league, otherwise Wimbledon would have been champions ten times in the nineties!
We need skilled players who are prepared to play in a system and to give 100%! That is where all the best managers come into their own. Non more than our friend mourinho.

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NoMidfield, I didn't say that commitment alone will win us anything.

What I was getting at, was that a team with the 11 best players will still, thankfully, come unstuck against a team showing real hunger and team spirit.

I was also saying that even if one's like you don't think our players are too hot, we will still be challenging because of this spirit.

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Meant to write, 'come unstuck OCCASIONALLY'.

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