Manchester United Banter Archive June 26 2012

 

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26 Jun 2012 21:41:42
               DDG
Rafael  Jones  Smalling  Alba
        M'vila  Kagawa
 Nani       Rooney      J.Rod
                Pato

This team in 2 years time would be amazing, granted pato is injury prone and probably won't come in but he is potentially world class. If we don't sign pato push Rooney and Kagawa forward and play cleverley.

BEFORE EVERYONE CLICKS DISAGREE: yes Kagawa is a centre attacking midfielder but he can fit into the exact same mould as scholesy.
if no Rodriguez in comes Valencia to play on the right nani on the left.
Have there been any rumours regarding m'vila or martinez?
AUSWOLF

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To attacking wouldnt work!

MaccaTheRed!

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Exact same mould? Poor choice of words.

M.D.

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Hope j rod isn't Rodwell lol

Pardoe

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------------DDG------------
Rafael--Jones--Vidic------?--
-----------M'vila------------
-------Kagawa-Ozil---------
Valencia-----------Rodriguez
----------Rooney-----------

Anyone think this looks better? Not going to get into the left back debate, that's why i left it empty.

Kai

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26 Jun 2012 19:41:16
Now that the curse of Wimbledon has struck again my wife has commandeered our only television set I am forced to wath this dreadful game. That or do the washing up: it is clear which one wins. This penal servitude has led me to analyze the percentage of successful serves over the net from these sporting champions. The answer seems to be about 50%. This is across the board. It is also extraordinary for practiced profesionals to be so inept.

What is the footballing equivalent of this? Forgetting to put on a jock-strap, or missing an open goal?

Batman {Ed007's Note - Falling over the ball at kick-off...........}

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I'd say its the equivalent of a penalty. Try and put it in the corners or under the crossbar and you might miss completely or hit it down the middle but with power and it makes it easier for the keeper.

TK-Red

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Unless the keeper is Joe Hart, who wouldn't get near any of them wherever you chose to put it.
...Too soon?

M.D.

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26 Jun 2012 17:43:26
whats this ive heard about pato signing quoted as saying he has many friends at united ? edds?? {Ed007's Note - Isn't the guy allowed friends?}

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26 Jun 2012 18:44:18
With Arsenal signing two strikers (Giroud and Podolski) Does this mean that RVP is definitely on his way out? I'd like him at United and think he'd do well for us.

On another note what's with Arsene's obsession on left-footed strikers? :p

N

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Why buy RVP now for 30 odd million when city would easily match and improve our bid and contract offer whereas he could be going free next summer. Priorities. Lewandowski would be a much safer option for 20 odd million as he's 7 years younger.

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Wouldn't a priority be a leftback or centre-mid?
Whatever happens, I very much doubt RvP will go for free next summer.

M.D.

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RVP wont cost 30m. He's in the last year of his contract.

Ste-Utd

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26 Jun 2012 18:41:57
www.manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk

Best website in Universe

(Post this if you liket ED'00 !)

=Yash

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Better than Playboy.com ? :)


Halesini

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26 Jun 2012 17:45:30
Man Utd are the first team whose no. 7, 8 and 9 at the same time were or should say are not the 1st choice players for majority of whole season.I hope fergie buys some players of man utd class who completely deserve this jerseys.
who should fill these nos. frns?

Aakroz

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I think Welbeck should get number 9. I know some will disagree on here though.

#ags {Ed007's Note - For which team though AGS? ;-)

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Sell him to Sunderland and give him the number 9 shirt

Ross

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26 Jun 2012 17:27:14
see your list ed and I know you said no questions but thought i would try anyway I noticed modric was not on there? do you think he is a viable target and that there is interest?

Darren the red {Ed002's Note - He should have been there, sorry.}

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26 Jun 2012 17:09:00
so arsenal have signed Giroud and podolski, have they now got 1 striker 2 many
jred

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Bendtner is available? ; )

Gav

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Chamakh and the other one out i think, not van persie, the other one, forgot his name, signed him last summer, was awful. Gervinho! Think he'll be gone as well. Persoanlly i think they could have aright clear out this summer: Almunia, Squillaci, Chamakh, Gervinho, Vela, Arshavin, Bendtner, Denilson are all possible sales.

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No. Arsenal were desperate for strikers last season, so they signed some. Simples.

M.D.

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M.D
Chamack, Gervinho, RVP, Podolski, Giroud I would say thats 1 striker 2 many
jred

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Sorry, I assumed you'd not figured in Chamack (or Park, Bendtner, Vela).
They're going if they can shift them.

M.D.

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26 Jun 2012 17:00:23
siguardsson going to tottenham so that means modric should be going

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Wouldn't he play more the VDV role in Spurs' formation?

Gav

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26 Jun 2012 16:54:25
I've just read the recent Pato interview, he says he will be leaving AC Milan, but probably after his contract expires in 2014, it doesn't sound like he has any intention to renew. On top of this he says that the Premier League is now his first choice league to come to, with friends at Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool. It's my opinion that if he is already attracted by the Premier League we should at least try and bid for him this early. His raw pace and ability would be very well suited to the Premier League, and at only 22 he could easily become one of the top strikers in the world, he's not too far off it already and I think he's at a team that doesn't particularly take advantage of his best assets.

The only problem is, I really like all our strikers, so it would be a shame to see any of them being pushed out. But if it IS for a better player, than that's what has to be done, because even though I like them alot, I think it's fair to say they aren't in the same league as some of the top strikers around Europe, which is a shame.

One final thought, I've come to the conclusion it would be very wise of SAF to invest more heavily in South American players, specifically Brazilian, it's an ethos I think is slightly lacking in our team, i'm aware we have Brazilians in the team, but they are hardly "BRAZILIAN" in the way we all know and love. To do this we need to buy players that are already starting to prove themselves in big European leagues, but that are still young, not players that are TOO young and are still in Brazil, and therefore can be corrupted ever so slightly by the English style of football.

Like I said last year, Kaka would be a cracking influence amongst the squad, and can still easily offer alot in performances. But South American players of that age should be the exception.

Barrymore.

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Pato is very injury prone and with the English game being more "Muscular" then the Italian one, I don't see him getting through many games without getting injured. Shame, he is good quality but just cant see it happening!
James

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Not good enough, far too injury prone and has never even set Serie A alight.

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Just read the rest of your post, you wanted Kaka? The injury prone past it Kaka? And the rest of your post is just as bad. Why don't we just wear yellow shirts?

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I think Pato may end up at PSG mainly because of Ancelotti liking him from his AC connection.
I think PSG will potentially be this summers biggest spenders, massive bid allegedly for Thiago Silva, interest and the finances for Modric, Lavezzi, Pato and more.

Supasub

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His injury prone-ness is definitely a problem, but perhaps worth a gamble. Kaka has been really good this year so i don't understand what you're problem with him would be? And, i'm not saying we should be fully Brazilian, i'm not even just saying Brazilian, i just think, and would like a more even mix of players, to suit the more European game. We're looking a tad rigid at times. Modric would be perfect, as would many others but a lot of them seem a bit unrealistic as targets - considering our recent record that is.

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Kaka has been finished for at least the last year at Madrid. close friend who knows his doctor confirmed that there is no way he can complete full seasons with the problems he has. Kaka is another Owen Hargreaves. Sad, but true. He was fantastic in Milan.

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26 Jun 2012 16:38:22
manchester united and going to sign robet lewandowski, legiton baines, luka modric, weslwy snijder and huntlaar

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Stupuid and the spelling stinks

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Thats gonna take atleast 100 million pounds after negotiations
not happening

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And a partridge in a pear tree. ;-)

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And I'm going to win the lottery

Ross

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Football Manager fever

Mad Hatter

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No they are not, sorry to break it to you

Gav

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Sorry gent's it was my 3year old, he's always playing on the damn thing.. ps he forgot to add Messi!

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26 Jun 2012 16:34:39
Raiola advises Van Persie against moving to Italy
The flamboyant agent has voiced his opinion that Serie A is in decline, and has urged the Arsenal man to think twice before moving there

So why does he want Pogba to move to Juventus?
DJ

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££££££££

G.A.G.U.S

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I expect Raiola is thinking Pogba's young so get a move there now and make some cash, thinking he'll be playing regular first team Football and then in 2 years getting a big money move to Spain or back to England therefore making MORE money off the kid!

However, just a thought, and this is highly unlikely, maybe Raiola is having second thoughts on Pogba going there? It seems to have gone quiet since the Allegations in Italian Football and with Juve signing so many midfielders, maybe he and maybe Pogba don't fancy it now? I don't understand why nothing has been confirmed yet? What's the delay? I know this is doubtful but it's a funny old game, maybe the premier league selling tv rights recently, Raiola is thinking this is where the money's at?! Just something to ponder :)

Ports

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Money, Money, Money - must be funny, in a football agents world.

Mike

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If Pogba can't see now why his agent wants the move so badly, then he's more stupid/ naive than I thought...

#ags

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True that to all of the above, i was just wondering what would go through pogba's mind when he hears/reads this somewhere, whereas raiola is pushing him to juve
DJ

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26 Jun 2012 16:32:06
Question for 007 if he is about? Are Rangers going to have to start again in the lower leagues with the majority of their players sold? Wouldn't they be better off trying in the lower leagues of England? Isn't it going to be boring as sh1t for Celtic fans now?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - He is not around for 5 or 6 hours whilst he eats Syd. Rangers are a Scottish team and therefore not able to enter the lower divisions in England. I would suspect a start in the lowest tier in Scotland - Div 3 is it?}

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I don't listen to much news about Scotland, will someone tell me why they have to start again, is it the administration thing?

I.A.S.U.T.I.D

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All teams in SPL will vote on whether to accept the Newco Rangers into the SPL next season. Rangers need 8 votes in favour, however 6 teams have already said they will vote no. A decision will then be taken on whether they start in Division 1 or 3.

G.A.G.U.S

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Thanks for the reply Ed, but couldn't they apply to join the lower tier of the English leagues like Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham did? Also will they still use their current stadium or will that be turned into properties by Charles Green?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - No, it is due to the affiliation of the Welsh clubs to both FAs.}

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Ed002 I have a follow up question on your comment. There has been alot of talk over the years about Celtic and Rangers moving to the English leagues but I see you have said they cannot join the lower leagues in England. My question being; Is relocation a definite requirement for the club (old or newco) to play in any league south of the border? Or is there a scenario where both clubs could still be based in Glasgow? Surely the Rangers and Celtic fans wouldnt have been banging that particular drum for so long if it means relocating the club? Apologies if I have misunderstood your comment and just asked a silly question.

TK-Red {Ed002's Note - They would need to relocate. It is a different situation to Cardiff, Newport, Swansea which are affiliated to both. Talk of changing the rules to accommodate it periodically crops up - perhaps once we get a pan European league the GB leagues will merge in to a new structure.}

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They have both tried before syd and after a vote by the prem teams it was discarded. The idea of a move to the lower England leagues are also a non starter as FIFA and both fa's I'm sure are all under a newer ruling which states no team can play there home games in a different country to the league they are in. Obviously set up after Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham Berwick etc had already been part o their respective fa's.

I don't think Celtic fans or players will be to bothered as if the Scottish European coefficient stays ok they will be guarenteed CL group stages every year. only thing is the tv money which is pittance anyway may be further watered down as the 4 minimum old firm games won't be played. Being honest they have been s**te for a while anyway haha.

Jono

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A question for Jono, what will the Rangers fans do? Will they support another team? Will there be 50k going to 4th tier games? Will they start their own club? What will 50k fans do with themselves? Is there any other Glasgow clubs they can support other than Celtic?

Sydney!

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Rangers are likely to start next season in the SFL Division 1.

As they are now a 'newco' they will be subject of a vote to dtermine whether or not they are allowed entry to the SPL, however to do so they require an 8-4 in their favour and that is not going to happen as 5 clubs have already stated that they will vote against Rangers as a newco joining the SPL. Therefore, Dundee will assume the 'CLUB 12' and become the 12th member with Rangers starting in Division 1 as part of a rescue package deal which will allegedly see Sky showing Rangers games in the First Division so that their is not a huge hit on there front and also in the hope that Rangers will be back in the SPL within a year meaning that they will have their Old Firm fixture back in place.

As for moving to England the only way possible as I understand it would be for Charles Green (Rangers owner) to buy an English club and if you like merge them with Rangers thus allowing Rangers to join the Football League, Bury where the reported club but it's proven to be speculation.

As for Rangers fans leaving. There will no doubt be those who choose not to turn up at Ibrox but i'd imagine the majority of true Rangers fans would continue to support the 'newco.' Ibrox holds just over 50,000 so I think that you'd get in the region of 35-40,000 in the door. Partick Thistle are the only other Glasgow club but any true Rangers.

I'm from Scotland and a Rangers and United man btw, hope that helped.

Rosco. {Ed007's Note - Are you sure about ANY of this? SFL1...moving to England....It's not happening. I am not getting into it on a Man Utd forum, this is my haven from the madness but nothing you have said looks anywhere near likely happening, and you know it. Zombie Rangers will be lucky to even exist next season.}

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The Rangers fans will all become City fans so they dont have to go through this again Syd, and to get another one on Celtic fans (who we all know are secret reds)

1redarmy {Ed007's Note - Well we did show how to win the 'Big Cup' :-)

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No disrespect Ed but are you up to date with events in regarding the SPL or Scottish football in general? We won't be in the SPL. FACT. 5 SPL clubs have already confirmed they will vote against us, so that's put to bed straight away. There has been talks ongoing that would see Rangers begin as a 'newco' in the SFL Division 1 (Irn-Bru Division 1) However I would fully admit that this is far from certain. Division 3 is still a distinct possibility. I think your too quick to right off Rangers. We will exist. In some shape of form we will continue. Regarding England. I never said it's going to happen, it won't never will as far as i'm concerned. It was reported by The S*n that Charles Green was lining up a bid to buy Bury to get Rangers into English Football, you can check it yourself but it's ridiculous and completely untrue.

Rosco. {Ed007's Note - Yes Rosco. I have an inkling about what goes on in Scotland. Have you never looked at the CFC site? Look back through it for over a year and you will see everything I said was going to happen actually did. So it was in The S*n......hhhhhmmmmmm This conversation is over. I have argued with Rangers fans for years over this and I am not bringing it on here. If you wish to continue this come on the CFC forum where I will happily put you right, if you read through my previous posts you might actually find out what is happening.}

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James Bond is the rangers tax case blogger Rosco. Try to keep up son.

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Syd

As for the majority of the fans I could never guess as they will want the rivalry they had with their enemies but no other team will provide that so imo most will stay loyal even if they get punted to Div3 (which is most likely).

The Rangers fans I personally know are kind of mixed up with what to do in that they still want to follow Rangers but are dissillusioned as to what they have been supporting these last 20 years. They feel as though their cash that has been put into the club has been wasted and the illusion of the die hard players playing for the shirt and for Rangers as a club has been shattered.

They will follow the Newco I am sure but a fair few of them are wanting some sort of communication with the top brass to try and guarantee there will never be a repeat. Will they get that dialogue? Doubt it.

Jono

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As a Rangers fan I can't say i've ever been on the Celtic forum. If you read the post before quickly righting off what i'd put I 100% agree you can't believe a word what the S*n put! Put me right? A bit uncalled for but it's all in good nature. At the end of the day i'm just stating what i've heard through sources close to the ongoing crisis and what i've read and what's been reported like so many. It is a rumours website after all is it not? You've got your opinions/sources and i've got mines and obviously we will agree to disagree but I appreciate your response Ed and enjoy reading your thoughts.

Rosco.

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26 Jun 2012 16:18:03
"Mino Raiola, who represents players such as Mario Balotelli and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, has advised Robin van Persie not to leave Arsenal for a move to Serie A, which he feels is "third-rate" and in decline."

But has no problems advising his new cash cow (Pogba) to move there.

Sydney!

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Which makes you wonder whether Pogba will read those quotes and have a few questions for his agent? It does seem like an extraordinary contradiction doesnt it.

TK-Red

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Maybe pogba has decided to stay and the agent is trying to save face.

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26 Jun 2012 15:46:57
after sepp blatters u-turn on goal line technology im surprised that after england went out on penalties he hasn't done the same
sparky

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I think as soon as English players are seen to be diving around more or face grabbing Blatter will push for retrospective punishment for simulation.

Supasub

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26 Jun 2012 15:46:08
Ed007 - is Ed002 about? {Ed007's Note - No, she is upstairs showing one of the new maids the system I use for clothes in my dressing area.}

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Is it like me?

Throw it in the corner untill the point arrives where the door cannot function properly then you know it's that time again when man goes up against an age old foe......the washing maching! Aka the wife! ;-)

Jono

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e26 Jun 2012 15:11:46
LFC fan her in peace, I was just wondering how Darren Fletcher is reccouperating with his illness.If I am been honest, I think if ye had him last season ye would have won league, the death of former LFC youth player, miki Roque, the tragic death of young jockey Campbell Gillies, Fletcher's battle with ilness but things in perspective, for all the money they get paid, health is truely your wealth.

I hope the lad Flecther makes a full speedy recovery. he's a good lad and ye miss him on the pitch

R_R

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Appretiated, I think it is a 50/50 of him ever playing again by the sounds of it, it may be less but I dont want to write him off. He is a good, hardworking player who deserves to continue his career.

A player who I have met and he is a great man.

1redarmy

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Thanks mate -

I hope he gets better soon

Mike

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I have UC theres many forms of medical support that you can seek I think he will most likely play again next year it's not as severe as many think.

Tom.

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26 Jun 2012 14:40:25
So now it looks like we may miss out on Modric, do you guys see it as a blow we may not end up with a star name in our midfield?

I dont mean we wont get someone good as I think we will but Modric's name is now world famous and I feel that would help bring in even more big names, where as Strootman (Even though he is good), wouldn't have the same pulling power.

I like to call it the Mourinho effect, where a player decides they will go to a club just for him. If we had Modric, Kagawa and M'vila in our squad other big names would think wow, I wouldn't mind being part of that team.

Madrid have Oezil, Alonso, Kaka, Ronaldo, Benzema and all these other talents that are world famous so big players like Modric would be thinking wouldn't I like to play alongside them. City and Barca are the same.

I am not saying I want to have a dream team squad but I do feel that is a main factor of why people turn us down. We only have Rooney and Vidic who are both huge footballing names and I am sure Rooney was talking about wanting bigger names at the club.

I do feel signing a big name central midfielder will help us in future markets and attract bigger names.

1redarmy

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I think fergy might put his faith in clevs and our first choice midfield would contain clevs carrick and Kagawa with the rest labeled squad players. I think we may buy a cm but not a star , someone along the lines of strootman who may be happy to fight for his spot.
That said I would love us to buy a star cm and striker
Jred

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26 Jun 2012 13:06:51
nuri sahin - he could be a viable option for utd couldnt he? especially now kagawa has signed, former team-mate and all? im sure he was in madrids plans, but has now fallen back somewhat?

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26 Jun 2012 12:51:28
Has there ever been any real interest in Baines? I just dont see why we'd spend 15m+ on an average 27 year old left back, only for him to come in and provide competition for Evra. He has had his critics this year but I dont see him being shipped out just yet.
Surely Jetro Willems would be the most viable target if we are in for a LB, seeing as he would be blooded into the first team and not dropped straight into it anyway. Doesnt this work out for both ways as competition for Evra and a long term replacement?

cmd

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26 Jun 2012 12:39:48
The 2 players gill is hoping for are James Rodriguez and Nicolas gaitan.

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A winger and a AM/winger... that has solved all our problems in CM and LB. Surely there's better ways we could use our money.

Red Joe

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Well, we know who Gaitan's agent is. Who's Rodriguez' agent?

Coz if we part with about £40m for this pair, and their agent is Mr Mendes, serious questions need to be asked YET A-EFFING-GAIN about what's going on behind the scenes. We've targeted the CM we have needed for donkeys' years and again it looks like we're going to lose out due to not meeting Spurs' price.

But if we're quick to splash the cash on these two from the Portuguese league.......

RED_SKY

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Gaitan and rodriquez would be great
and depending if sir alex decides to sell
andersson then a cm would come in as well
petrucci should be promoted petrucci cleverley carrick kagawa scholes and 1 signing is not a bad collection

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Red sky, you do realise you're getting angry about a hypothetical situation right?

CnM

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Gaitan and Rodriguez would be great additions. Is Uncle Fergie thinking of a radical new 'double winger' approach to fox the opposition lol.

Having said that .... its not beyond our old wise master to change a winger into an attacker is it ?

Though as earlier post highlights turning a winger into a central midfielder or a left-back may be a different kettle of fish.

Rodriguez - being talked up as a potential next best thing. A 20yo replacement for Nani would work for me.

Gaitan - There were stories back in April that he was flattered that a club of United's stature would be in for me. Like Kagawa before him, those are the players I want us to sign. Players who WANT to play for the club.


Halesini

Halesini

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Hypothetical and unlikely too I would say lol

Gav

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26 Jun 2012 12:38:24
"Is there a better solution than penalties to decide a knock out match?

Sorry for bringing up an old topic but a mate of mine had heard of a system that I think is much fairer (even tho' justice was done last night). Apologies if you've heard of this idea before....

If the game is level after 90mins you take penalties then, before extra time. Whoever wins get's a 1/2 goal lead going into extra time, which lasts the full 30 mins. That way they have an advantage that makes the other team have to attack. Also, because it's just 1/2 a goal it would be too risky to go all out defence to protect the lead as just one goal from the opposition would have them win, rather than a draw.

So it would effectively mean that penalties aren't final (which is fairer IMO) and extra time is almost guaranteed to be exciting, rather than see one team holding out for pens

Any thoughts?"

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Take the shoot-out before the game. Should you get to the end of extra-time at a draw, the winner of the shoot-out that took place before the game started would go through. Understandably you might think that a team might play for the draw, but it would be very dangerous to expect that to happen over 120 minutes of football.

Old Hippo.

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"Is there a better solution than penalties to decide a knock out match?

Sorry for bringing up an old topic but a mate of mine had heard of a system that I think is much fairer (even tho' justice was done last night). Apologies if you've heard of this idea before....

If the game is level after 90mins you take penalties then, before extra time. Whoever wins get's a 1/2 goal lead going into extra time, which lasts the full 30 mins. That way they have an advantage that makes the other team have to attack. Also, because it's just 1/2 a goal it would be too risky to go all out defence to protect the lead as just one goal from the opposition would have them win, rather than a draw.

So it would effectively mean that penalties aren't final (which is fairer IMO) and extra time is almost guaranteed to be exciting, rather than see one team holding out for pens

Any thoughts?"

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What about Golden Goal BUT instead of the game finishing as soon as the goal is scored it continues until that particular session of extra time is up.
ie if a team scores in the 7 minute of extra time the game will restart as normal then at 15 minutes if the other team hasn't equalised they win.
This could go on for as many 15 sessions as needed.

karllap

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Tbh aren't we just looking for excuses? We (England) stank the place out with boring football how we even got to extra time amazes me

Theres no better way than pens at the end let the better man suck it up and win it. Sure as sh1t he'll deserve it

Pardoe

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Why not have the shoot out and forget the match?

Puzzled

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If only that had happened on Sunday Puzzled, if only.

Danny Pughnited

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No. I dont think there is. People may complain about shootouts when they lose but can anyone tell me that the shootout in 2008 didnt add to the occasions and the memories. I spent that that game in a pub that was packed with only Chelsea and United fans in almost equal measures and the tension throughout the shootout made for an almost as memorable atmosphere as Ive had at actual games. You win some, you lose some but the drama is always there. Thats my take on it anyway.

TK-Red

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Agreed TK, they only suck when you lose them, but in '08 the pub errupted, i was hugging total strangers. I say keep them and bin the extra 30 minutes instead.

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Thanks for the replies!

I still believe the system I mentioned is fairer than than the current system and is more workable than the other's in this thread. Old hippo - that's a nifty idea but I think it would change the course of the 90 mins too much, which shouldn't happen IMO

My system wouldn't change the course of a game of football all that much but would be fairer and make extra time more exciting

Pardoe - I said in the OP that justice had been served in the Italy game. But pens are still 50/50 and don't necessarily reflect which team is best. Btw I'm Welsh too so I don't care all that much if England go out, lol

Gav

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26 Jun 2012 12:12:14
Pogba 8, Cole 1 and Morrison 2 managed 11 apps between them as midfielders last season. Even Gibson notched 2 apps.

Does anyone think that Tunners, Petrucci or Powell will see game time given to them in midfield for the 2012-13 season? The Lge Cup games maybe and the odd sub cameo i'd say.

Powell might get some game time as a forward or on the wing?

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As I have mentioned before I remember seeing somewhere that Powell was expected to get into first team by January ,although I myself think it maybe too big a step that soon

Pardoe

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I think whats most likely for Powell is a loan to PL/Championship side at the end of January. Before then there will be a few opportunities for him:

League Cup
Home CL
FA Cup (3rd/4th round in Jan I believe)

There's also home games against QPR and WHU in the space of 3 days and the Christmas/New Year period which has 3 games in six days or something, two of which are home games Newc/WBA.

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Pogba and Morrison have left because they didn'y get first team game time. Appreciate we needed to bring the Ginger Prince back but you have to wonder what effect that had on the likes of those two.

Maybe SAF wont go for a marque midfield signing and put a bit more trust in youth this season ?


Halesini

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26 Jun 2012 11:02:58
Hi Guys,

I was going to wait till after the Euro's but now there isn't as much interest in them I thought I would pop on for a moan

Well then lets see Kagawa and Powell confirmed. Think Powell will be farmed out for a bit. Don't take much attention to You Tube clips, but I think we might be in for a treat if the Japanese kid hits the ground running.

Got a feeling Baines will come in, maybe Alba, with Fab going out on loan. Jones will compete with Raphael for right back. Decent comp at centre half with Vid,Ev, Small and Ferd.

Midfield. Modric, I would be in dreamland, but I think he will go to Madrid, but the ball will really start rolling after next Sunday's final. That's why i think United are trying to seal deals early.

I am now more interested at the moment in this IPO shift from Singapore to the States. I think there is going to be a lot of activity behind the scenes at United in the not to distant future. The Glazers have been very lucky in the past five years with United's success overshadowing the running of the club. I personally don't buy in to the FFP, when you have the amount of money City and Chelsea now have behind them, you will get round it. Platini's stance appears to have softened since the PSG takeover in any event.

I have a feeling we may be sold lock stock and barrel to an American or Asian Consortium with the Glazers riding off in to the sunset with a massive profit on their investment. Was speaking recently to Americans on holiday, they love us over there. They see City and Chelsea as vulgar imitations of us, not wrong there are they

Mike the Moston Red

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If you think about it carefully why would uncle malc sell Utd, because in a few years they will be in a position to milk us till our teats bleed.

Not sure if theres even a hope of getting new owners

Pardoe

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26 Jun 2012 10:17:19
"We did [discuss it] but nothing will be confirmed until Sir Alex comes back," Kagawa explained. "Since I am very new to the club, I have no intention to get an important number. Let's wait and see how it goes.

"I just told them my hope because I didn't know which numbers are available."

Doesn't seem like he "turned down" number 7 to me (as the papers spun it). Seems more like he's asked for 23, and he doesn't expect the club to give him such an important number as the 7 as a newcomer. Great humility from the lad, many players would come in and ask for 7 or 9 and expect it.

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26 Jun 2012 10:30:28
Modric: "I want to go to play in the Champions League"
is it united or madrid?

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Or PSG?

Supaub

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Or liverpool... oh wait...erm... lol

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26 Jun 2012 09:45:24
I'll say it now, Nani is off!

Personally i'm not happy about it although a lot of people will be.

Ozwald

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Any evidence of this?

Simon.

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But why do you say it now? what have you heard?

Gav

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Surely he won't have made that decision days before a major semi-final?

#ags

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26 Jun 2012 09:29:06
I've been wondering about something that has been coming up quite a bit here in the last month or so.

People keep talking about us moving to more of a 4231 type formation, with Kagawa playing in the hole, which seems great to me, with potential for really good, fluid movement in our attacking players (Rooney dropping deep with Kagawa/Young pushing further up in his place, Young, Kagawa and Nani switching places backwards and forwards behind Rooney etc.).

The Thing is, where are people getting this idea? Fergie always seems reluctant to stray from his beloved 442 with the likes of Valencia bombing down the wing to whip crosses in and so on, and while he's experimented with lone striker formations over the last few years, he always seems to prefer 442 domestically, and even in europe if he can get away with it.

If we are going to be using 4231, it would have a big impact on the kind of signings we are looking at. For example, I've been highly critical of talk about Modric, repeatedly stating that we need a CM who can win the ball back more than we need one who can keep it, but this is based on the assumption we'll be playing 442. If we play 4231, Modric suddenly makes a lot more sense, and while I still think we need a ball winner, it becomes less important (especially if Fletch comes back soon, ready to play).

So can anyone tell me, is there direct evidence for this formation change, or are people just assuming that Kagawa will be used in the hole, so we must be playing 4231 (because SAF would NEVER take an Anderson, sorry, i meant attacking midfielder, and play them as a regular CM in an attempt to create an all round, goalscoring, box-to-box midfielder...)?

Thorne {Ed004's Note - Well in the last few games of the season we played a 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 style formation and other than Man City it appeared to work. Also people like myself feel we are moving to a more fluid style because that is what we tried to do earlier in the season before Cleverley, Anderson and Vidic got injured and Rooney lost his form}

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Thorne, we played a 4-2-3-1 for most of the season with Rooney in the hole. But formations can change several times in one match so it doesn't really matter too much.

Sydney!

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You don't need to put a number on the formation. You could say a more fluid formation than last season where the only players that swapped positions were the wingers from time to time. We will use our width because that is a strong point for us and teams play to strengths. Also I think Welbeck Rooney and Kagawa can all play in the same team, they don't need to have a specific position. Gilly

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26 Jun 2012 09:22:30
Actually laughing the fact that spurs have robbed sigurdsson from right under Liverpool's nose.

Philiphs93

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I think he will end up choosing Liverpool due to BR being at the club, although Spurs would be a better move for him IMO. I think FSG are being very very tight with their dosh and they do not want to part with much more than the amount Hoffenheim agreed with Swansea. If Liverpool are struggling to negotiate a deal for a very cheap Sigurdsson, then are they willing to get into a bidding war with other clubs for the better quality players? I am not convinced.

Sydney!

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And yet your convinced that money wise everything is great at united
1 word biased {Ed004's Note - Yes didn't we just spend 50 million net last summer?}

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Although if reports that he has agreed personal terms with Spurs are true then that could be a massive disappointment for Liverpool. If he isn't fussed who he joins then it will come down to whoever offers the most cash and I think Spurs will win this battle. They know they will be receiving at least £30m for Modric. Sigurdsson & Vertonghen for two thirds of that amount is good business.

Sydney!

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No name, United make £50m profits, whereas Liverpool make £50m losses. The gulf between the two clubs is frightening. But I agree with you that FSG, Glazers & Kroenke all have dividends in mind. However the difference between ourselves and you is that we can still spend cash and make a profit, whereas you make losses even if you do not spend.

Sydney!

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Ed004 and how much did Liverpool spend last year {Ed004's Note - I don't know I am obviously not as hung up about Liverpool as you are about Man Utd. Also I am pretty sure, actually 100% certain, that United are in a far better financial position than Liverpool}

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If Liverpool can't afford to buy Sigurdson (spelling) then this rumour of them putting a 30m bid for Rodriguez must be complete BS. Which can only be a good thing for us.

Kai

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Kai, I think it's more of a case that Liverpool will look at different players individually and they will have a certain valuation in mind for each individual player. It's the same with United or Arsenal, if we had £32m ready for Hazard, that doesn't mean we will spend £32m on Modric. Each player will have a separate valuation and it's unlikely the club will go too far past it.

Sydney!

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To Syd & Eds. If Spurs manage to sign Sigurdsson do you think that improves our chances of getting Modric or do you think Levy will play hardball on the price right up to deadline day regardless?

Ryan {Ed004's Note - He will still play hard ball}

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I do not think it will make the slightest bit of difference mate. I believe we have made Spurs an offer for Modric, which hasn't been accepted and I think it's hit a stalemate. I guess Spurs will listen to all offers and decide what to do. I imagine Modric has agreed personal terms with all three clubs in principle and he will wait to see which team Spurs agree a deal with. I am not sure he is willing to rock the boat and name his preferred destination, but you never know. I think he would prefer RM or United, but PSG would have the most financial power. I also think Levy will want him to join either RM or PSG as opposed to joining us. His agents will want him to go to wherever they can get the most money. So I have to say if I am honest with myself that we are the less likely of the three, unless he publicly named us as the club he wants to join, however I think that isn't the case.

Sydney!

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26 Jun 2012 09:06:14
A quick question for the regulars or an Ed...out of Smalling and Jones who do you think will get more starts at Centre Back next season? And who do you think will become a solid starter for many seasons to come? I personally think Smalling will fill ferdinad's place ( on the pitch ) in a year or so. Although I would like to see Jones and Smalling in the centre of defence in say 4 years, I fear one may become a Wes Brown or John O'shea ( who were good servants to the club ) playing in many different positions.
NWDA

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For next season, Smalling will get more games at CB barring any injuries to him. Jones still is searching for his correct position, so cant say they'll make a CB pair in the future but cant rule that out either.

Devil for Life

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