Manchester United Banter Archive March 26 2019

26 Mar 2019 17:35:33
ED002,

I know the subject of money is not your favorite thing to talk about, however I have a quick question. Should United pay off Sanchez to move him on, does that pay off still factor into the wages in regard to FFP?

Basically, though not paying him weekly anymore, United would still be in essence "paying his wages" by fulfilling his monetary terms of his contract.

Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - If the club continue to pay his wages after he left it would count toward FFP.}

26 Mar 2019 21:50:44
This maybe stupid, but if Sanchez has 3 years left which adds up to say 50 million wages (random numbers here) could we not just sell him for that amount and use the money to pay him off?

26 Mar 2019 22:27:40
Who’s going to pay £50m for a 30 year old player who hasn’t been in any form for the last 18months.

27 Mar 2019 07:47:02
Man United!

27 Mar 2019 09:49:24
China would, I am not saying he will earn 50 million just used a random number.

27 Mar 2019 10:44:41
He prefers living in Wilmslow!

27 Mar 2019 12:41:07
Are even the Chinese that daft?

27 Mar 2019 14:17:55
They bought fellaini so there is hope mort.

27 Mar 2019 14:56:02
Maybe but Fellaini did at least have his uses and did chip in with an end product. What's the Chilean Elton John achieved?

26 Mar 2019 15:30:35
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, And Finally... Bill Shankly

26 Mar 2019 18:06:20
Great read, he sounds like he was a great man as well as a great manager. Pity some of today's lot are not like him, Fergie, Clough etc.

{Ed001's Note - I will have to do one on Clough at some point too. Done Fergie and Shanks, Clough must be next.}

26 Mar 2019 20:37:37
Ed1 did you see France footballs greatest 100 managers the other week?

{Ed001's Note - no mate, but I heard Paisley was not even in the Top 10, which is ludicrous. He is arguably the best ever, but certainly there is no argument that he has to be in the top 10!}

26 Mar 2019 22:53:51
It was shocking. Someone and Klopp even in the top 100 was questionable. Paisley was too low down. Same with Clough. Some odd choices in all.

26 Mar 2019 21:22:47
No disrespect to Rinus Michels but SAF is above him. TBH I had to wiki him, SAF took a decent cup side to the biggest and most followed football institution in the world.

Agree with Ed Paisley should be number 2 in my opinion i don't care what anyone says Paisley is SAF of the 70/ 80s, if Paisley did what SAF did in the 90's Liverpool would be what Man Utd is now. He was just unlucky (well not unlucky as such) in my opinion to be before everything with the Premier League kicked off.

{Ed001's Note - I get that Michels did well, but he is nowhere near the best ever.}

27 Mar 2019 08:46:10
The France Football list of top 50 managers had some rather odd places for managers. Klopp higher than Wenger was a strange one. I think 1,2 and 3 should have been Ferguson, Paisely and Cruyff - though some might dispute in what order. Del Bosque down in 33 was crazy also.

Ed001 - How good was Arrigo Sachhi? The French list puts him in 3rd place ahead of the other Italian managers. I understand his Milan side of the late 80's early 90's was very good but I wasn't aware he was so highly thought of.

{Ed001's Note - he was good, but it is hard to see how he could be ahead of so many others. He did well, but not to the extent the 3 you mentioned did. It just seems a bizarre list with little real sense or thought behind it. Maybe that is the point, just to get people talking rather than to actually reflect any kind of intelligent thought?}

27 Mar 2019 12:50:14
That Milan side was good but I wouldn't put Sacchi in 3rd. I think Clough has been criminally underrated. Taking a club like Forest to European success is something you'd struggle to do on football manager never mind repeating it in real life.

26 Mar 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 26th March 2019

26 Mar 2019 10:24:41
How about Cardiff pay £7.5 million to Nantes and both leave it at that. The poor bloke lost his life and the club's don't look too good fighting over £15 million.

{Ed001's Note - Cardiff should just pay up. They have to be in breach of contract by refusing to pay. What they are doing is extremely distasteful and sickening.}

26 Mar 2019 10:30:41
They weren't too concerned with the ins and outs of the contract, and how the guy was approached when he was still alive. Sticks in the throat after all their manufactured, outpouring of public grief.

26 Mar 2019 10:57:24
Surely there must be some insurance policy in play here?!?

26 Mar 2019 17:53:00
Either way Cardiff wanted him, poor bloke died going to Cardiff. And they pull this one Talk about money being the root of all evil.

26 Mar 2019 20:32:30
Ed 001, seemingly not in breach as not fully registered?

{Ed001's Note - but that is down to them breaking rules on signing fees, so the issue is all Cardiff's end. The FFF had signed and sealed all on Nantes end and the TMS had put it through. The problems seem to be all on the FAW/FA end.}

26 Mar 2019 22:59:01
End of the day they have the agreement with the selling club, in this case Nantes, to buy the player for agreed amount. They should honour the agreement. If they can claim back on the insurance then do so. If they're covered. But they should pay what they owe.

26 Mar 2019 22:41:51
Ed001 do you think maybe that the investigation taking place into the Sala situation may be insurance driven. It is all well and good saying they should just pay the amount but it needs to be clarified exactly at who’s feet the insurance claim needs to lie. This whole witch hunt around Cardiff is getting sickening to be honest. Every one and there dog seems to either know the ins and outs of the contract or suggest Cardiff should pay out of some moral obligation. It is so naive it is beyond belief. Say for example Cardiff do pay out, and the insurance company consider that the amount should have been claimed by Nantes, then what?

It isn’t a case of a team refusing to pay but needing to establish the facts before they do. The process would be the same for literally any club worldwide. Also I don’t see the moral question ability of this, either Nantes claim or Cardiff claim. Don’t think the moral obligation goes a long way with any insurance company, if they are told they need to reimburse the club as they paid when they came under public pressure and scrutiny.

{Ed001's Note - no, this is completely and utterly down to Cardiff trying to weasel out of a payment. Cardiff messed up and it is all down to them.}

27 Mar 2019 07:14:52
Ed001 how is it all down to them and how did they mess up? The player was offered a flight, he didn’t want it, so he organised through an agent of Nantes. Where is Cardiff’s fault there.

{Ed001's Note - they are responsible for the player, they signed a contract, so they should have sorted it out. They have been utterly unprofessional from start to finish. At other clubs, the flights would have been sorted by them, as would everything else. Unfortunately Cardiff are poorly run, with staff employed in high level positions purely because they are mate's with the owner's son etc, and there is a complete lack of professionalism in all their dealings. Then, when it all goes tits up, they try and blame everyone else for the things they should have been taking care of. I am sorry but 'being offered a flight' is nonsense and he never 'organised it through an agent of Nantes' at all. McKay who organised it is actually Neil Warnock's mate. It was his son who was employed as a go-between by Nantes and neither should have had any more involvement at that point.}

27 Mar 2019 08:43:16
Not disagreeing that the club is a mess, with all issues thinly veiled by the success last season, 70m of debt being written off and some nice gestures to the fans by the board. It’s well known our youth systems a mess and our transfer negotiations have been as reliant on McKay as Uniteds have been on Raiola or Mendes in the past. Both are issues that need to be resolved. But I refuse to accept that a player organising a flight which crashed as anything but a horrendously unfortunate event. Also the communications for arrangement took place with Mckays son, as the released texts have shown. The club contacted with Sala stating he had made his own plans.

{Ed001's Note - why are you bothering me then if you know it all? Pointless conversation this.}

27 Mar 2019 08:57:16
To be honest I was just interested to hear an educated outsider view. Sorry if it came off as argumentative.

{Ed001's Note - in my educated view, a club at Premier League level usually has a 'travel agent' (I don't mean Thomas Cook or similar but a specifically employed person who deals with all travel agents pertaining to the team and players) to arrange these kind of things. Players are massively valuable assets and no club at the top level can afford to just trust to mates or randoms to ensure they get where they are going safely. Teams will arrange through a network, which is why you will often see the Argentine contingent of Manchester and Liverpool teams, for example, travel back together on the same private jet from international games.

This was a record deal for Cardiff and they just let him sort out his own travel with no checks to make sure their big signing was not flying in some rickety old bird across the English Channel! The reason insurance will be a problem, and will take years to sort out, is because they did not handle it all in-house like a professional club. If they had done so, as they should, then there would be little in the way of issues. Now they have all the problems of possibilities of unlicensed pilots and planes etc, that could easily have been avoided.

A lot of players go back to their previous clubs to say good bye, clear out their lockers etc, but the club sort it all out, it is all insured on licensed flights. What has happened is a tragedy, 2 people died, but you can't then wash your hands and try and avoid responsibility when you were in a position to avoid it all!}