Manchester United Banter Archive April 27 2014

27 Apr 2014 23:13:24
Oreet lads, been coming on this site for years now and posting, but only just registered so this is my first official registered post, awesome site by the way Eds.
So come on then, who is going to be our new management team? first team manager, assistants, first team coaches etc? For how long you think it's going to be for, like, is it long term or just to prepare someone else like giggs/ Gary Neville to take over?
Also do you all think that we really are going to get £100m-£150m transfer war chest to spend or is it just another ploy that the glazers say year after year, transfer window after window, just to shut us up and make us dream, then when the window is shut they feed us with the same excuses, I personally don't think if we get a big name manager such as LVG and we don't spend at least £100m then he won't be happy and if it's because the glazers haven't got it then he's the type of perso who would come out and tell us, he isn't someone who could be told to keep quiet like moyes is he, that's why I've got a sneaky feeling our manager next year will be giggs.
Who does everyone think will be sold/retire, and who are we actually going to sign, how many players does everyone think we will need, I personally think £150m on 5 class players would make us able to compete with Europes best again, New centre back, new left back, 2 new centre mids and a new winger is what I think.
Garay
Luke Shaw
Kroos
Strootman/Cavalho/Herrera
Reus

Imagine seeing all them 5 players with next years top on stood with the new manager posing for photo's when the transfer window opens telling the media that it's all their dream and ambitions to try and make Manchester United the worlds best team again.

I for one really can't wait for next season more than ever.

Ps I've had an unbelievable day today with the scousers losing and in particular King Gerrard being the sole reason why .

{Ed004's Note - I reckon LvG and those signings would be fantastic however, I just don't see them coming in as that's more than 100+ mill. Think we will have around 80 mill net hopefully}

Yes I agree but I reckon if we can sell Young, Nani, Smalling, Hernandez, Evra for around at least £50mil then we could manage it, plus hopefully sell Rooney, that would be at least £80mil for all them, I know some people wouldn't agree with that but really think we would be a lot better off without him, no way is he worth £300k a week and defo isn't worth the captaincy.

Ed004, I'd agree with that considering contract offers and agents big bucks but I would have thought that figure would rise depending on how many we show the door? Possibly extending the amount, allowing us to buy the aforementioned players?

Douglas Duggo - Rooney is a vital component of our team but I don't want to get into an argument about whether it's worth keeping him. However, selling Smalling? Or Hernandez? I accept that Hernandez might choose to move on this summer, but I would gladly keep him if he decided to stay. And Smalling is a young english center back with relatively low wages (a position we don't currently have a lot of depth in) with potential to improve, why would we sell him? Have to agree about Young and Nani though.

I think there is going to be a huge cash injection, the Glazer's were concerned about where we going and got rid of Moyes but must realize that part of the problem is the playing staff. It will be the biggest summer we have ever had.

Douglas duggo you don't know what you're talking about if you think we should sell wayne, he is our poster boy, that alone makes him worth the 300k a week. Also can you tell me who else can play the 60 yard passes that start most of our attacks, because scholes is gone my friend, you may aswell forget about him! Take a good hard look at yourself before you post such dribble next time, because I don't have time to read such garbage! Good day to you sir.

"Also can you tell me who else can play the 60 yard passes that start most of our attacks"

I hope not and we are truly f. ked if we want to win doing that.

Took the words right out of my mouth there GCU, think he wants us to sign players like Charlie Adam etc so we've got 60 yard passes flying here there and everywhere. Didn't know we had become a long ball team? Bring back moyes hey shin nip!

Shin nips . Yea but Rooney shouldn't be making these passes in the first place thays why we need a new cm . Plus how many times does he give the ball away!

27 Apr 2014 22:13:32
Luke Shaw doesn't quite convince me he really wants to stay at Southampton after that interview.

27 Apr 2014 19:01:39
Being a football fan can be a strange thing at times.
As a die hard Manchester United fan I never thought it possible to be so pleased that City have gone back to favourites to win the league. :-)
More importantly things are looking much more positive for us at last. Going to be an exciting summer.

I know the feeling.

My bet on them winning is semi alive again :) Yaya Toure makes such a big inference to that team. It is all going to come down to the Everton game as their last 2 at home against villa and west ham should not be too problematic.

The Everton game for city, and how Liverpool bounce back after today. It would have been all but won had they taken the points today. Must be deflated and depends how they cope with that.
Chelsea not out of it and would be the lesser of 3 evils.
I can't bet against United but wish I had at times season.

I lost enough money on us this season that I just ut token bets down now :)

Like many of us I too now want City to win the PL ahead of the scousers.

Originally it was Arsenal, then when they weree out of the running it was Chelsea and then eventually City.

Its quite sad really but I did wet myself laughing when captain marvel slipped over for the 1st goal.

If City do win it then at least the PL trophy remains in Manchester and not in Merseyside.

Hopefully SAF comment of Gerrard not being a great player will still have some substance behind it.

Have to take comfort out of something this season!

27 Apr 2014 14:17:56
Next season will only be more difficult.

We'll certainly be stronger and better. Liverpool will only get better, Chelsea has Mourinho and City is City, Arsenal is a doubt as always.

The money is available, we just need to hope our targets are available too. Now we just have to enjoy the last games of this season and come back next season full throttle.

I don't think Liverpool will get better personally. They aren't blessed with the best 'squad' so to speak. With them juggling Europe they won't have the luxury of putting the same team out every week.

Have to admit, I'm looking forward to next season. If we can stay away from that Europa League then I expect us to have a really good go at winning the league(I know a bit premature) so long as the owners come through with the money promised and a decent manager(Van Gaal).

I'm looking forward to Everton being in the relegation scrap just as happened with Wigan under Martinez. One good season then it all went pear shaped.

I think Liverpool will struggle with the Champions league and the premiership with the squad they have. They've been lucky this season that the injuries haven't been too cruel to them.

City seem to be truning into a team of also rans regardless of how well they start a season and Jose doesn't seem to be as magical at Chelsea this time around although I'm sure I'll eat my words at some point in the next couple of seasons.

Things are changing for the better.

I agree with Ste in regard to Liverpool. The rest of what you say I agree with Nick. I think Liverpool will need to spend pretty well to improve their squad to challenge on all fronts next season. Like teams got used to playing against Hernandez, I think teams will start to learn how to control Sterling. Then there's will Suarez stay or go. Personally I think he will stay on more season. Can Liverpool go through a whole again keeping Suarez and Sterling injury-free? I think Liverpool will be a strong team again next season, but I would be surprised if they are this good again. That's just my opinion though.

Regarding Liverpool you can agree or not, won't matter that much. The truth is that they grow as a team since last season and I'm pretty sure they'll grow even more with some new faces.

No one can't ignore what BR is managing to do this squad.

As for the other teams, just like us, they have money to reinforce in certain areas so they'll do better as well.

27 Apr 2014 16:03:29
Superspy

Mourinho is a master tactician. He's just too good. Just watch the game today against Liverpool. He knows how to win tough games.

Nick86

Spoken like a poet. You know they were offering 4/1/ and some sites 5/1 on Chelsea.

Maybe the mist is finally going away with moyes gone. Both Liverpool and Everton lose, and I have made an absolute bucket load this weekend and still due to win some more Hmmmm LOL

Superspy, injuries have been lucky to us?

Enrique 24 weeks
Johnson 9 weeks
Sturridge 9 weeks
Sakho 8 weeks
Suarez 5 weeks
Courtinho 5 weeks
Lucas 5 weeks
Allan 5 weeks
Flanagan 5 weeks
Agger 5 weeks
Cissokho 5 weeks
Aspas 5 weeks
Gerrard 4 weeks
Toure 1 weeks
Henderson 1 week (and 2 further to complete his suspension)

We've had one of the worse injury hit list this season, I think only Arsenal have been hit worse.

Gcu
I had chelsea at 4s really enjoyed the game.
Got 18s for sunderland, chelsea, city and arsenal.

Plymouth, no you haven't. If you look on Physioroom and have done all season, then you are right down the bottom of the league table with the least injuries. Everyone gets injuries, but Liverpool have not had many out at the same time. Have you even had ANY of your important players out at the same time all season? I don't think you have, if Liverpool had even Sterling, Suarez & Sturridge out at the same time like we have had Rooney, Van Persie & Carrick out, I think Liverpool would have found it difficult.

Everyone gets injuries so injuries shouldn't be an excuse, but Liverpool have done well in the sense that they have had injuries, but not all at the same time.

Jred

Damn, you are in the money and nice bet.

I only do accumulators with maximum 3 teams and just stayed away form betting that game.

Schalke is trying to ruin a very good weekend so far. I need them to win, I have a lot on them yikes.

Plymouth

You are wrong we lead the league in the injury table.

Liverpool are 10th in the injury table with 154 injuries.

In Physioroom, Liverpool have been near the bottom all season with number of injuries at one time.

Nice try Plymouth ;)

Plymouth -

A little curious as to when Suarez was out injured? He's started 31 league games for Liverpool this season and there are two left which one would imagine he will also start. He's actually played every minute of every league game he's been eligible for.

It seems a little pathetic that you have to put Suarez's 5 match suspension down as an injury rather than what it is (a player being punished for biting another player). The same could be said of Henderson and god knows who else (I'm in no mood to go through your list to see what else you've made up).

I don't think Liverpool will improve much no matter who they buy. They will not be buying the Fabregas' and Kroos' and cavanis of the world like City, Chelsea and ourselves, players to really push them to the next level.

I don't expect Gerrard, Sturridge and Henderson all to be as good as they were this season. They are a team with a great manager on great form, but Sterling/ Countinho is no Mata/ Silva/ Ozil/ Hazard, Henderson is no Toure/ Matic/ Ramsey/ Fellaini ( lolwat? ) and Gerrard will not keep going like this for ever, especially with a world cup summer.

With the right addition they will be challenging for the title ( top quality left back, central midfielder and winger, along with a right back and possibly a central defender if Agger leaves ). Not winning it, but making a decent challenge.

If our transfer window goes to plan ( 3/4 top quality players ), under the likes of Van Gaal, we will mount a decent title challenge, but the title will not be ours. City are 2 defenders away from a sure bet, and Chelsea are not far off either.

Makes me laugh that you all think LVG will come in and everything will be all rosy and wonderful.

Plymouth, what changed for Liverpool since finishing 7th last season? What in your opinion was the reason for you going from 7th to possibly top this year? Aspas? Sakho? Alberto? Cissokho? Of course not, the difference is BR got you playing a particular way and you have your tails up. So in other words "confidence" and "belief" is what is separating you from last season and this season.

So why can't LvG get us playing a particular way and why can't our confidence and belief return to what it was last season? Add that to a few top notch signings and we will be far better next season.

PR - you just make everyone laugh on here!

Makes me laugh that you're going to get oh so close to the title this year, but just not close enough, and by next season you will be nowhere near City and Chelsea.

LOL at Plymouth.

All that premature celebrating.

And yes: Everything will be alight for us net season. Thanks for mentioning it. Not sure about your lot though.

Danny the season isn't over yet, Sydney it's down to the fact Rodgers is a great man manager, what makes you believe LVG will be so great?

Also all these dreams of kroos, Reus, Vidal, why would they go to a team without CL, if these players become available then why would they choose MU over Madrid, City, Chelsea, Barca, Munich, PSG, dream on lads.

When they talk about banana skins during the title run-in they're usually metaphorical, but Gerrard shows us that the physical banana skins are just as dangerous. All it was missing was Benny Hill music.

LVG has won everything there is to win, that's what makes me believe he will do well. I bet you were one of those calling for Rodgers head last year and now your nose is so far up his a**, great man management? Hmmmm

LOL. Ok Danny I forgive you for being a smart ass earlier because you seem to have a talent for it.

Mr Van Gaal please buy Muniain and Herrera.

PR - your not fat and Spanish are you? Just with all this "fact" stuff.

Check my post's Anon, I've always gave Rodgers my full support from the first day he came in.

Also most of LVG's success came in the 90's with Ajax, who at the time had one of the best teams in Europe with the majority of the players coming through the academy, he hasn't had much success in the 00's, if I was a United fan I'd be very concerned.

PR - I thought you was a united fan your on here more than your own site! What's wrong will no one talk to you on there?

Plymouth, the point is we are going to be a lot better than we have been this season. I am looking forward to it.

27 Apr 2014 12:59:15
For me Hernandez has really improved his game when I've seen him recentley, his work rate and passing are a lot better he gets involved more and is twisting and turning to beat/take on players. Hope he stays :)

RD

RD, congratulations on raising the sarcasm bar, clearly I will need to up my game

Haha AJH, I mean it mate :) obviously i'm not saying he's brilliant but I feel he has improved his overall game over the last season.

RD

27 Apr 2014 11:59:45
Heard a rumour that van Gaal wants to make RVP captain if he is the next manager! Rooney will love that I'm sure ;)

27 Apr 2014 11:13:27
GCU was trying to emphasize.that United have not produced a top player since 92 through all the united ranks, not a boy bought from porto etc at sixteen and furthering' his development at United .Though it is getting rarer for a player as a child to develop through their local club and establish themselves, there are a few players within the English game to have done it. Gerrard at liverpool and they have a young jordan rossiter who is from.liverpool, played at all levels for.them and IMO will be a major star for them. Chelsea, arsenal and city have yet to produce a local top player for a very long time. The best academy un England atm is Southampton, terrific set up.

I've named a few in reply to that - that we have produced all since 92 as others have. As I said not word class but most internationals and a couple still playing for united and others for other teams in the premier league. And a few of them have won league titles with us and Wes Brown won a European cup winners medal and would have been a really top defender without injuries . United have produced top players since 92 but as I said not world class hardly anyone does . You just get lucky with one now and again at a top club. When you go on about players not counting if nicked off other clubs I presume you include Stirling then who was at QPR.

Southampton do have a good academy as they get dibs on a lot of the young players from around the south, Portsmouth, Bournemouth etc. All clubs have their own "Rossiter", United have plenty, but they cannot be classed as "top" until they have made the first team. Wilson at example at MU.

City have Micah only. He was signed from Oldham at 13. Arsenal have Wilshere. Chelsea have no one as yet. Lallana moved from Bournemouth to Southampton at 12. They have Shaw. Southampton have others in the pipeline, but cannot be classed at "top" yet. Most clubs bring in top 15 year old which make it.

Messi signed for Barcelona at 13 from Argentina. Busquets and Pedro joined them around 15/16 same as us with Pogba and Adnan. Iniesta & Xavi were at Barcelona very young, but they are no spring chickens anymore. Barcelona buy in 15/16/17 year olds like any other club.

Portuguese sides like Sporting, Benfica & Porto bring in a lot of Brazilians at a young age or South Americans in general. English clubs cannot do that of course. We have to wait until they are 18 and they are usually established players by then and playing for top clubs.

There are some very good academies in England and MU are one of them.

Southampton, Crewe, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, City, Spurs all have good academies. There are of course others, but restrictions have made it harder for English clubs to produce a higher caliber of player. Every now and then there will be a diamond found though.

Pancho
Sterling*

Big deal . I'm on a phone - grow up!

Calm down pants ;) xo

27 Apr 2014 08:52:50
Great to see Giggs and the boys in the dugout yesterday. Loved the atmosphere. Good win and hopefully heading in the right direction. Mata pure class. Rooney more goals. Kagawa wonderful vision and also got stuck in. Vidic what a real man at the back. What a shame he is leaving. DDG clearly going to be one of Europe best. Welbeck stop the flicks or I will hunt you down and give you a real flick. Cleverly no matter who is in charge he is still crap.

27 Apr 2014 01:41:47
Danny Welbeck:
He brings athleticism, a great work rate, and a good attitude. But he has major flaws as a striker:
1- poor finishing, obviously
2- his flicks are predictable and childish
3- his lack of understanding of moving in and out of spaces
Without the ball he is often too central and gets in the way. He lacks the patience and subtlety to drift out wide and delay his runs. And with the ball, his decision making shows a lack of understanding of other's runs.

27 Apr 2014 00:41:27
Well, the ever reliable Miguel Delaney has said that van Gaal is more or less nailed on. Kluivert has said on that it would be a pleasure to be a part of the backroom staff at United. What a coaching team we could have.

Giggs and or Kluivert assisting van Gaal. Phill Neville, Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes in there, we also have Chris Woods who is working well with DDG. Rumours that van Gaal may have Rene back also.

A transfer target 'list' from one of my favourite sources is that Shaw, Hummels, Kroos, Strootman and Reus are the main targets of van Gaal. What an impact they could make alongside De Gea, a resurgent Rafael, Mata, Rooney and RVP. I think under van Gaal we could expect the swashbuckling attacking football that we saw today also.

Fresh!, I love your enthusiasm. I know you like to play "fantasy football" when talking of new signings but now you're doing it with te coaching staff too.
Kluivert, Giggs, Neville, Butt, Scholes, Chris Woods and Rene all assisting LvG. Add in any staff that the new manager will want to bring too eg fitness coach, physio's, etc etc and we will need to increase the capacity of OT again! :)

Fresh don't be a child. He will maybe retain one of the existing coaches, this is not some family picnic van gall is coming for where all the by get a seat in the Van.

I recommend you do some research on the guy as he has an ego the size of everest and will do things his way and not accept a roe with miles of baggage.

Well I think that a lot of the class of 92 will be involved in a coaching capacity in some way. We will see who is right and who is wrong.

Fresh
The fact strootman is out with a serious injury raises question marks against your transfer targets

Would be surprised to see any more than Giggs and Schoels with the next manager to be honest

Fresh

Did it ever strike you that the next manager given the last ones experience might see these guys as being an obstacle to his plans and would not necessarily want to get heir endorsement and if they don't like it potentially them undermining him.

Do you ever see any top manger going anywhere without taking a slew of his own people in. I think he might retain one guy subject to them accepting what he wants from them. Why do you think Rene has got his nose so bent out of joint, same thing happened with Moyes.

Its a question I have raised before but would lvg want giggs . He would be a constant shadow if any thing went wrong giggs would always be there ready to take his job .
Similar to shearer at newcastle

Jred

I actually think for giggs's own development it is important he goes out and manages a championship team for 3 or 4 years and then goes from there.

Imo he needs to go and do a good job at a couple of clubs, being a ex player isn't enough.
I thought both robson and kean would of been potential united managers but as it turned out neither where good enough.
It was only last year people had ole down as the next manager