Manchester United Banter Archive February 27 2013

27 Feb 2013 22:34:19
Can anyone tell me what type of players certain midfielders are? Like attack minded, box to box, passer, interceptions etc. And give each a rating out of ten? I have an idea of what certain players are like but I only really watch Manchester United play so I can't be sure, here we go.

Cabye
Strootman
Verati (psg)
Lars bender,
Sven benders
And any other Cms we have been linked with? Would be great help thanks!

1993 {Ed004's Note - Cabaye 8/10 deep lying playmaker who will get stuck in, Strootman not seen enough to judge but box to box apparently, Veratti I'd forget about him I don't we have any chance of getting him, 7/10 Lars bender defensive minded but decent on the ball, 6/10 Sven not as good as lars and I would rather a tonne of Dortmund players over him. Not the best on the ball either}

Thanks ed!
Do you think that cabye would be put off coming because of RVP? (Obviously if we had the opportunity to sign him) I know they have history.

1993 {Ed004's Note - No I don't think it would make a difference. People need to remember you forget personal friendships when it comes to playing in a match, thats not to say they're friends off it though. I have played friends in football before and gone out with the mindset I want to be better than them and I'd be disappointed if they pulled out of a tackle with me. These players are professional athletes paid a fortune I reckon they would have a similar mindset.}

Im not sure it is possible to describe a player by just one of those characteristics but ill do my best.
Cabaye passer: 7/10.
Strootman : all of the ones you listed: 7, 5 ( great tackler and interceptor, better passing than your average box to box midfielder, better engine than your average DLp )
Veratti : passer 8/10
Lars Bender attack minded/ box to box 7, 5.
Sven Bender defensive midfielder 6, 5.

I tried to base my ratings on both current qualities and promise. Cabaye is better than all of the ones you listed, and yet the others will probably go on to become better players.

27 Feb 2013 20:37:58
Ed, do you see any way back into the club for Nani? Is SAF genuine when he says that the club wants him to stay - I'm guessing its too raise his market value. Nevertheless, he is far more talented than Valencia who would be my pick of the wingers to be sold as he is so one dimensional and it seems that everyone else has found him out. {Ed004's Note - Nani annoys the hell out of me and everyone on here. He splits so many opinions. If he could get some consistency I would happily give him a new contract over 100k a week but since he doesn't look like he will i think he is off and I think the likely replacement is Rodriguez. I can not see Ronaldo being signed as I think a right sided player is a necessity}

For me, I think Young is the one who should be sold. Nani has a lot of talent, valencia has a train like ability to just bulldoze his way past opposing defenses ( although this season he has not yet been able to find form ). As for Young, he offers nothing of note. He is not technical enough to play in a fluid formation, not strong or fast enough to hug the touchline, and overall a very average player.

Young would be more content to. Be a backup player than Nani or Valencia would I think. Nani will most probably leave, but we'll see!

Fresh!

I agree I fail to see Nani to be a back-up player. As for Valencia if I recall correctly he fired his agent last season because he doesn't want to leave old trafford. No matter what his current form is, Valencia's work ethic and dedication are to be admired. Him and Chicharito are my favourite players.

If you watch Ashley Young in depth then you realise that he brings a lot more to the team than Nani and maybe Valencia not as much Valenica because he puts in a real shift but the amount of times Young tracks back and covers Evra is insane, if you look at most of Evra's good performances this season its when Young has been playing left wing he really gives it his all when playing for us and if he didn't have such a bad euro's and injuries over the past few months I think a lot of peoples opinions would be different

I don't believe young will be sold and it will either Nani or Valencia (most likely Nani). I actually do rate young as a squad player and quite useful over season where we play almost 50 games or more.

Shahram

27 Feb 2013 20:35:34
Not Utd related but am watching Bayern V Dortmund Lewandowski, and Gotze look average tonight hope they pick it up for the 2nd half. Hummels and Alaba look class as does Martinez. Lots of chat about a german side wining the C. L this season on tonights display so far both these teams are good but not invincible
TheSpartanred

Watching the game myself, bayern look good very difficult team to break down, by the way hummels isn't playing

You do of course realise that Hummels is not playing don't you?

And as for Gotze and Lewandowski, Bayern's supreme midfield ( Kroos, Schweinsteiger and Martinez) bossed the match, so they were both starved of space and chances respectivly.

Sorry meant to type Schmeizer lol
TheSpartanred

27 Feb 2013 17:36:49
I think ronaldo is a much better player than bale but I was surprised to see the following stats
Bale has played 136 Epl games and scored 36 goals ronaldo had 38, bale has 17 assists Ronny had 22, bale has created 253 chances Ronny had 200

Quite close really

But the prem was much harder back then.

Lol please don't start the standard of the EPL again.
I was genuinely quite surprised by the stats especially If you take in to account bale started of at LB

I would assume some of Bale's earlier appearances were at LB too? And during that spell when Spurs didn't win for over 20 of his first appearances? If so, those stats are very favourable TBF. He's become so much more valuable since adding goal scoring prowess to the ability to terrorise defenders.

But yet again - Ronaldo proved last night he's still a league above. Also, I can't believe he's now scored 11 goals in 18 games v Barca! And he used to have the label of going missing in big games, lol.

p. s. hope he goes missing in a certain big game next week :/ {Ed004's Note - Commentator last night said it was 15 in 15 I thought in el Classico or did I hear him wrong?}

Badger
That's the big question can bale continue to improve, I think that there is an argument that a young bale is not that far away from a young ronaldo.
But ronaldo really kicked on and very few players make that step up
not sure u will agree but I wish he was English

16 in 19 I think ed.

JK92

The main difference being that Ronaldo hit that figure around 2 years earlier than Bale. It has taken Bale 6 years to reach those figures to Ronaldo's 4.

TK-Red

The comparison to Ronaldo is silly. Ronaldo at the same age was tearing the world a new one and won the Ballon D'or and scored 40 plus goals in the prem from the wings where as Bale is playing centrally a lot at the minute and isn't even close to Ronaldo. Ronny and Messi are worlds apart from anyone that plays professional football atm.

Oops sorry ed I thought you meant in copa del ray.

i dunno how many he scored against barcelona.

JK92 {Ed004's Note - I read it was 28 in 28}

So basically TK bale has had 2 years to settle in to the prem.

Tk actually they were both 23 when they had played 130 games

27 Feb 2013 19:21:50
Can we just say they're both mustard?

Next.

Whistler.

Jred, being Welsh myself, surprisingly I don't wish Bale was English, lol. I don't expect him to reach the heights of Ronny but I expect him to be the next best thing. If you take wages+transfer fee into account I think he would be comfortably cheaper too.

Exactly and Ronaldo didn't take 2 years to settle. Also actually Jred, Ronaldo was 22 when he hit that mark. He had only just turned 22 at that. Bale turns 24 in July. So it may not have been quite 2 years but, no, they weren't both 23.

TK-Red

Ed4 I got that stat from the B8C website but may have misread it. I also heard he's scored 7 in the last 8 games against Barca? Either way his record is incredibly impressive. No other player on the planet could currently pose more problems to that Barca side. {Ed004's Note - I agree he is a phenomenal player}

Tk
Bit touchy aren't we, by the way your right Ronald wasn't 23 he was 22 1/2 bale was 23 years 7 months my mistake
but a bit like my op I'm still quite surprised I would of thought there would be more in it

Noname - Bale has only played centrally a handful of times out of those 136 games so I hardly see that makes a big difference. He played many more as a LB than a central forward.

TK - There's not much between the ages and anyway player's develop at different times. All we're saying is up against Ronaldo's record - Bale's looks pretty good. And considering he started off as a LB it's even better. Not saying he's as good or better than big Ron just that he has an equally impressive early record.

Jred

As they say stats can be deceiving. I don't think they are even comparable. Whilst I have posted many times that I think bale is an outstanding player, but ronaldo is a freak of nature.

One other thing that people forget is that Ronaldo is very durable and like a tank and will give you 40 games a season and not many players can do that.

Shahram

27 Feb 2013 16:08:05
Scouts have been present at PSG to watch Verratti and PSG have said he is worth 30m-40m euros. We have to get him he will be immense, rather him than Strootman. We have PJ who can do a job as a DM when needed.

Dan

27 Feb 2013 13:39:56
GDS?
How tempted were you to get 'Glazer puppt' as your sign in name to wind up KLOOT? :)

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Missed this yesterday Chris, I didn't to be honest but wish I had now. I am still the Glazer Defence Squad, sure somebody who is actually 'on the inside' will come and register as Glazer Puppet!

27 Feb 2013 17:16:31
i always thought it was the green dragon society

27 Feb 2013 10:46:30
I love Rooney, but is he really irreplaceable?
Also do we have bid for any of Young, Nani or Valencia?
Surely one needs to go this summer.

Rooney would probably warrant a fee around 40-55m purely because of his name and the market brand that he is, for this kind of money I think we could sign virtually any young attacking midfielder in the world IMO like Goetze, Ozil, Wilshere, Isco ect but are they what we need? Honestly I think our team is a lot better with Rooney in than without he's proven loves the club (dont start kloot) and he will probably stay around for the rest of his best days as a player.

I'm happy either way if we sell him and find a fitting replacement then i'll be pleased but if we do what we did with Ronaldo (not spend the money) then I'd much rather keep him.

Agree with Anon.

My personal issue is that if we did sell Rooney, sure we could afford a Goetze type player but I don't think we'd necessarily sign one. It's not often we purchase one of the next best players on the world scene and even when we sold Ronaldo we only replaced him with Valencia. That's why I'd be more comfortable with Rooney staying. But he does need to find his form IMO.

I don't get why people want to sell any of our best players, if the money is there add to the squad

Jred - It is simple we are trying to play more fluid but do not have the players. Rooney is too slow on the ball to play in that kind of system so surely selling him at his age too makes sense. Imagine a front 4 of Gotze, Kagawa, Rodriguez and RVP. It would be frightening and the 3 behind RVP are quick and would suit each others playing style and fluidity.

What has kagawa done to prove he is ready, have you seen how often Rodriguez gives the ball away and loses possession
Everyone to there own and I know there are players I would love us to sign, Martinez, isco but some Times I do wonder if it is cow's and fields.
I would prefer us to buy players to take over from the established.

For example I'm hoping kagawa comes good and slowly takes over from Rooney same goes with smalling and Ferdinand,
I think that is more the United way than sell x player for 50 mill and buy why player for 40 mill

Rooney is coming to the end of his glory years and imo should be sold. simple as that. You can't keep him on reputation or history. £40 million is a lot of money and he needs to be replaced by a younger more flud payer eg Ozil, Rodriguez, Gotze etc. It is not replacing Rooney with Kagawa, how can you do that when both are already at the club? Gotze is the perfect man for the job. {Ed004's Note - I rate Gotze highly he has everything to be as good as Rooney at his prime possibly better and he has been adding goals to his game, he has a fantastic work rate, quick, very good on the ball and a very humble lad who will put the team first like Rooney}

I think Arsenal will break the bank to get Goetze in the summer which will piss me off if it happened. A carzola, goetze, wilshire, midfiled with walcot and giroud up front can be quite a scary group. with a hummels type signing in the back they could be some team.

Shahram

27 Feb 2013 07:33:02
This is not what I know, think or expect to happen, but if we sell Nani (20mil), Valencia (20mil), Young (20mil), Macheda (5mil), Bebe (3mil) and few youngsters for a few more million plus get a big transfer kit with the sponsorship deals, my dream summer would be to bring in Ronaldo, Bale and Strootman. Figure 60 for Ronaldo, 45 for Bale and 20 for Strootman, 15 for zaha. 70 mil spent for a summer isn't the most absurd thing ever, especially if Nike and Chevy step up. We have great depth up front, and at the back, and this allows us to spend big money on a couple of world class players. I know this is fantasy world, dream land type of stuff, but imagine that attack. -KG

You have overpriced all of our players by some amount.

Sydney!

The Bebe fee is about right, £3m just about covers the agent fees.

Danny Pughnited

We sell all 5 players you mention to get 30m if lucky 35m.
JS

£50m.

Sydney!

Or just sell Rooney and get Bale and ronnie

27 Feb 2013 13:44:09
You'd probably get about fifty million for all of them. Nani, Valencia and Young would all worth about fifteen each.

Why the big bale love fest? He won't join you! He doesn't even like you! Ask the eds or the scousers about his anti liverpool /united youtube post!

So you want to sell 4 of our wingers and buy 2 semi-wingers as replacements?

27 Feb 2013 18:16:40
Traditional wingers are dying out. Inside forwards are on the way back. Look at the Under 21 side and Academy side. How many traditional wingers do we have? Players like Daehli, Januzaj and so on are more like inside forwards, starting wide and cutting In, interchanging. that's why we went for Hazard and Moura. that's why we signed Zaha. that's why its a shame Nani has failed. that's why some of us would keep Young. that's why Valencia is declining.

26 Feb 2013 23:53:44
If given the choice of one player we could bring in I'd go for Busquets. this is the lad that makes Barca tick and makes it look so easy. he just sweeps the ball around effortlessly and feeds Xavi and Iniesta. We should break the bank to get this lad IMO

Bilko

I'd be embarrassed if he was a united player

Another one for the looney bin.

This must be sergeant bilko

No. Just no.

You are having a laugh aren't you? Might be a good player but I would cringe several times a game at the site of his spinal cord apparently being removed. No thanks, for me he can stay in Spain. I could probably stroke the ball around in the Barca team and warrant a £20million+ transfer.

Supasub

27 Feb 2013 11:59:18
No No and No. If he wants to move to England, he'd be rightly suited in london where there are legendary theaters that will appreciate the thespians performances.

Strokes the ball about and feeds the more creative players. so basically the same role as Michael Carrick then. Why would we go and spend £20million on someone when we already have a mad capable of doing the job?

TK-Red

I'm not Nani's biggest fan but I can see why people love him. I can take or leave Rooney but I get why some rate him so highly. But Busquets makes Barcelona tick? Welcome to our planet, I hope you have come in peace

Iniesta and xavi as advertised is what makes them tick if you ignore the obvious mr. messi.

shahram