Manchester United Banter Archive July 27 2018

27 Jul 2018 17:33:23
Harry Kane to United?
The story is out there, google it!
Personally I don't believe it. Got to be baloney Wondering if the eds have heard anything?

27 Jul 2018 17:46:36
Bookies?

27 Jul 2018 19:28:09
Yep Scholes. The bookies story.
Thought this would go to the rumours page!
There's got to be something dodgy going on.

27 Jul 2018 19:06:55
Makes you laugh. they must have ran out of stories.

The "Stunning development" part made me laugh.

27 Jul 2018 16:12:06
Do you think Resigning Zaha is a possibility?

27 Jul 2018 19:39:32
Hopefully we are not even considering the possibility.

27 Jul 2018 20:19:16
He works very hard defensively, and has no ego, would be a perfect Jose signing.

27 Jul 2018 20:33:01
Could play on the right is hg. I expect the price would be huge.

27 Jul 2018 21:27:21
I expect we have a buy back clause?

27 Jul 2018 14:59:28
Evening ed002, hope all is well. Is it true that if Spurs activate a year extension on Alderwierelds contract, that that triggers a £25 million release clause?

{Ed002's Note - I would not think so.}

27 Jul 2018 15:19:22
This seems to be a rumour that's rampant. Thanks for clearing it up!

27 Jul 2018 15:43:54
It would mean 25 million next summer if the article has any truth.

27 Jul 2018 08:53:26
During the World Cup, Jose was a pundit for a foreign tv station,
He said, " I'm happy Brazil is out, all my Brazilian players will be rested for next season"
Then two days later he said. I've one Brazilian, why not two or three? Excluding his wife's, who are the other Brazilians utd either looked at, or bought, Or trying to acquire?

{Ed002's Note - The club has two - there are posts and a Sharkopod explaining where there is interest.}

27 Jul 2018 09:26:42
Pereira and Fred, ideally one more Brazilian in before the window closes, signings look less likely as each day passes though.

27 Jul 2018 11:29:32
Go down to the wire I imagine. The Brazilian duo of Willian and Alex Sandro are of interest to us aswell.

27 Jul 2018 16:14:45
Casimiro was also mentioned in the sharkopod if my memory is correct. Is this looking unlikely Ed02?

{Ed002's Note - I never would have said it was likely.}

27 Jul 2018 01:39:14
So the quotes from luke Shaw I have to say are exactly the type of things i would want to hear as a manager

The guy wants to fight and earn his place.


I keep hoping he's going to live up to his potential. I feel sorry on the lad.

The shaw of 3 or 4 years ago was a breath of fresh air.

27 Jul 2018 06:30:15
Says the same every pre-season. By November he won’t have the stamina or Motivation and he’ll be gone.

Think I said it elsewhere, if he wasn’t English he’d be top of our wish list to be moved on. Fine to keep as back but we need a proper left back.

27 Jul 2018 07:57:24
Shaw looks terrified of doing something wrong. Don't think we will see the Shaw that we want to see under JM's jurisdiction.

27 Jul 2018 07:57:58
Apparently he has a body like Rooney.
If he meant at his age I'd be laughing all day. However if he is referring to Root in the recent past I have to say that I don't find that even mildly reassuring.
I actually like Shaw, but his comparison, like his alleged dietary habits do not do him any favours. I really hope that he will fulfil his potential, but he really can't be given many more chances.

27 Jul 2018 07:58:37
In the interview is says he has never been out of shape so to me it is exactly what we don’t want to hear. If he’s always been fit then he’s just dreadful because he hasn’t been good for 2 years, and if he can’t accepf that his fitness has been bad then there’s little hope for him.

He’s apparently fit now and been working on his fitness all summer yet he was the worst player on the pitch against Milan.

27 Jul 2018 08:14:08
Bolger, as much as i don't want to depress anyone. Shaw has played a handful of good games for United. We've had him 4 years and he's been an utter disaster and of course unlucky with his terrible injury. His defending is useless, his ball control is non existent.
So just because he's come out and said he wants to stay and earn a contract means nothing. In fact, in my book, it is a disgusting attitude as he's basically saying that I've been taking the piss for the last 2 years, but now my contract renewal is near, I'll try harder.
Bottom line, he's not a great roll model and not a good defender.

27 Jul 2018 08:50:35
I think some of our fans are guilty of falling for the media/ manager spin with Shaw. He hasn't helped himself for sure, but when he played last season he looked very good on the whole (had a couple of lethargic games but name me a player that doesn't for Utd), much more rope is given to other players that are 'rusty', everyone expects Shaw to come in and be match fit, yet that is a different thing to being fit. You could run all the marathons you want, but playing football competitively is a different animal to that type of fitness. The manager would play him, then drop him for several games having been one of our better performers, certainly nowhere near the worst.

For those of you slating his performances, have a look back at the games he actually did play - he offered a hell of a lot more than Young does, granted he lapses and could be trimmer - but I lose count how many games most of our team looked like shadows of the players they can be - seems to be a different rule for Shaw just because the manager doesn't seem to like or rate him. We all know how this manager has the team playing, but that is conveniently forgotten when it comes to laying into Shaw (an attacking full back remember) he is not a disciplined robot, why do we want that all of a sudden?

All we know for sure is what we see on the pitch, when he is actually picked he has done pretty well and given a run of games would improve a lot further for me. Too easy to lay into him, don't see the same of Bailly, who I think is being treated in a similar manner by Jose - playing well then dropped for weeks, then a bit rusty and dropped for weeks - yet Bailly is loved and Shaw is ridiculed, a guy that had a horrific break a little while ago and clearly needs games and support to get back to the player he was before that dreadful injury.

27 Jul 2018 09:10:32
Top post Beast.

27 Jul 2018 10:43:00
Sorry Beast, which player was he before his injury? He was here a year before his injury and was fat/ unfit the whole year. He was poor. Then played 10 games for united and he became a world beater? You say Jose isn't getting the best out of him, then how many could? Hasn't every manager questioned his attitude?

Its time to cut our losses and let him go. I have no doubts that he has the talents but he can go and excel at a club which has no ambitions and can carry a talented passenger who has more to his game than running quickly.

27 Jul 2018 10:59:21
The lad has played 43 times in 4 years. You can hardly say he has been given a fair crack of the whip.

Year 1, he was a teenager who moved away from home and made a massive step up. It was clearly a settling in year. He was steady when he played but not spectacular. LvG called into question his work ethic. Over the summer at the end of his first season he took a fitness trainer on holiday with him and came back looking fit.

Year 2, he started the season on fire, he was our best player up until he got injured. That injury 25 years ago would have ended his career. It was a massive set back and is the kind of injury that takes time to not just physically get over it but mentally too. No one could question Alan Smith's mentality, yet it took him several years to mentally get over a similarly bad injury.

Year 3, the manager who signed him had been sacked. The guy who replaced that manager was the guy Shaw turned down to sign for us. Was Jose bitter? Who knows. Either way, Shaw needed games and support to make his come back. What he got was little to no game time and repeated public slamming from the manager. His life style and his mentality brought into question.
Year 4, Jose gave Shaw 8 starts last season, with a further 3 sub appearances. He actually managed 5 games in a row for the first time since his first season (3 years) . By the 4th and 5th games of that run he was a solid candidate for man of the match in both games. He was then unceremoniously dropped and questioned again by the manager.

We are now about to enter his 5th year with the club. There was one picture during the summer that didn't look flattering, then two weeks later one that made him look in much better shape. According to the club he top scored in all the fitness tests in pre-season. So can his fitness really be brought into question.

Luke Shaw has clearly not helped himself, and several managers have tried to get a reaction out of him. People need to remember he was 17 when he started playing regularly at the highest level. I don't know about you guys but I was a bit of an asshole at 17, and my head was firmly up my own arse. He will grow up at some point and he may have already. Is it fair to keep judging a guy on comments made about him as a child now he is a man?

He has fought back from serious injury, he has lived with massive expectation, and he has had to cope with a manager who not only doesn't trust him, but appears to either not like him or have some vendetta against him.

If Shaw moved to Spurs at the start of last season I can garentee most people would now be claiming Jose made a mistake in letting him go. The lad would also have likely been England's LB at the world cup.

He showed last season that when played consistently he puts in consistently good performances. However, Jose won't let him do that as he would prove Jose wrong.

{Ed004's Note - Very good post Snappy. A comment in his interview, that in my opinion, is not getting enough media coverage is the fact that Jose messaged him to praise him for his work commitment during the summer and stated he has a few flaws that can be worked on..

I'm still very unsure on whether he has the commitment, mentality or technical ability to make it here. It just seems like it's going to be an annual debate about whether he is fit or not and I'm not sure he has the right mentality for a club of this size. Although, I suppose this can change as he matures. Additionally, his performances have worried me in preseason. He seems a very competent passer but so far his defensive positioning, his ability to beat an opponent and his attacking runs have been poor on tour. In the 4 years he's been here I can't recall many good crosses he's put into the box either. Lastly, does anyone else think he's lost that burst of pace that he had pre-injury}

27 Jul 2018 11:33:35
United Addict - was about to answer, saw Shappy's post and needn't bother. Elaborated excellently on the point I made.

Hope that answers your questions and you can get behind the player. Or at least judge him equivalent to others, not based purely on our toxic manager and ignoring the obvious poor treatment (which compounds his own issues rather than improves them) .

27 Jul 2018 11:49:36
All the attributes to be a very good player, bit of backing from the manager and he will prove the haters wrong.

27 Jul 2018 13:21:21
He's in last chance saloon and the sooner he goes the better. Nothing to do with Jose. He just lacks the attitude to succeed.

27 Jul 2018 13:47:52
I would love him to be good, he just hasn't been.

Strange how one of the only things I am negative about Beast is the exact opposite.

27 Jul 2018 13:37:40
Couldn't agree more beast.

27 Jul 2018 15:18:07
Absolutely Beast and Shappy. I would love to be proven wrong by the player. I have been waiting for 4 years. I am sure he will excel and i am also sure that it will not be at Manchester United. Like Ed says, he has been a passenger. He hasn't been good even when he has been fit. If Luke Shaw would have been Non-English, he would not get this support that he is getting from you right now. You can question the circumstances at the club but there have been others who have stayed and excelled under the same regimes. So its down to the player to show what he is made of. I am yet to see that from Shaw.

And just one more point Beast, please do not call the manager of our beloved club a Toxic. That term is reserved for the fans. Like, you know. Will leave it at that, why name and shame?

27 Jul 2018 17:19:59
Absolutely agreed gds. Would love him to be good but just hasn't been at all.

I'm just not sure how many more chances he can be given and how many more managers that he needs to back him.

27 Jul 2018 17:56:52
He's been at the club 4 years with the number of solid to good games he had you could count in two hands. He was "fit" all last season and yet had a 33yo converted winger ahead of him. I'm far from Jose's biggest fan but I can't imagine he would hold Shaw back from playing because he might not have signed for him back in 2014. Pretty crazy claim Shappy. Time for the club to move on and put him down as an expensive mistake.

27 Jul 2018 23:38:21
Yeah, because José seems the type of fella that wouldn't hold a football grudge.