Manchester United Banter Archive June 27 2015

 

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27 Jun 2015 19:21:23
Edd's, would you consider Jack Butland a bright future prospect in England's goalkeeping department? The guys an absolute beast, at his young age, abit like De Gea, with the right coaching do you guys believe he'd improve more and become a Worldy? I believe he does? Be interesting hearing your thoughts? Thanks, Ronnie!

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27 Jun 2015 20:09:18
Not for me ronnie, he's not a bad goalkeeper, he's developed quietly since he moved to Stoke but if we're looking young and English then we can't really look past our own Johnstone.

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28 Jun 2015 00:57:13
He's basically in the Ben Foster category for me I'm afraid Ronnie.

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27 Jun 2015 19:01:14
Do you think we will approach Lazio for Stefan De Vrij this summer?

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27 Jun 2015 19:23:13
Yes i think we will we need at least two maybe three cb's and he is known to LVG .I also think Evans has played his last game for us so De vrij is a good replacement

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27 Jun 2015 20:05:07
Personally, and this is just my opinion, I think we could do with 4 or 5 new cb's.

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27 Jun 2015 20:32:33
Brendan, I think you are being conservative. I think we need 6 or 7 CBs

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27 Jun 2015 20:54:47
AJH did your mother never teach you it's better to be safe than sorry? We should be aiming to sign at least 12 CBs.

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27 Jun 2015 21:49:05
Some of us are really taking the parking the bus strategy a little too seriously

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27 Jun 2015 22:21:03
Don't forget we need at least 3 or 4 DMs as well.

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27 Jun 2015 23:18:25
AJH, maybe forget a keeper and just play a huge back line, it could be the future!

Forgot about that too Shaw, so central defence and DM is going to set us back about £200-250m, minus the £3.50 we'll get back for Evans. Seems fine to me.

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27 Jun 2015 18:51:47
Banter please Eds,
So let's do a bit of recapping; (and this is before the window has opened)

DDG situation hasn't changed, most expect he will join RM but what is taking so long, price, player exchange? Is valdes our new No.1 or Lloris or begovic or Krul or Handanovic.

Alves flirted with us, clyne is signing for Liverpool, Cancelo interest seemed fleeting, Coleman expensive, Rosales is a new name we're recently linked with and van der Wiel rumour doesn't go away, plus varela is back but Janko is going.

Hummels situation is that he seems happy to stay, Garay not expected to move on this summer, Otamendi seemingly wants out of Valencia but to where? Ramos seemed unlikely but RM looking to Laporte to replace Ramos.

Strootman rumours have died off, Vidals future to be clearer in the next couple weeks with a player poss to be used in exchange. Carvalho not our first choice, Naingollan looks set to join Roma permanently. De Jong signs on with Milan, schweinsteiger is of interest but to a mixed reaction from professional and fans alike which brings us to Schneiderlin with various reports saying United in like position.

Gundagon was leaving then staying, then joining us then possibly Barca then Bayern offered players then he could stay, Zorc has said the future of Dortmund players to be sorted next week, Firmino was fave to join us but joined Liverpool and now Gaitan seems set to join.

Depay signed, Bale set to stay (and Ronaldo) Turan being hawked around Europe and Felipe Anderson linked.

Will RVP stay or leave, will Wilson go out on loan? Mitrovic interest was strong, Cavani offered, higuain linked, lavazette very unlikely.

Just another summer transfer window in the life of Manchester United. July 1st onward we will know more.

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27 Jun 2015 18:00:25
Read on one of the other sites that Junventus want to buy Benatia from BM for 17.5m.

If so - bargain? Unless he failed at BM?

Maybe we should be in for him, though would still prefer Hummels, Otamendi or Varane.

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27 Jun 2015 17:52:01
Forget Nico Gaitan, Ivan Cavaleiro is the one we want from Benfica!

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27 Jun 2015 17:43:48
Watching Portugal v Germany u21. William carvalho is head and shoulders above all the other players on the pitch. Big, strong, incredibly accurate passer of the ball with both feet. I'm surprised that no one is mentioning him as a target.

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27 Jun 2015 18:22:14
from what I understand us and arsenal (amongst others) have interest and have watched him, think we enquired bout him last summer but price is too high. in the region of £35mil I think

from reports I have seen on him his passing is one of his weaknesses. maybe he's having a good day?

does look like a beast of a ball winning DCM tho

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27 Jun 2015 18:22:53
mentioned him 18 months ago but at the time Sporting wanted €40 mill its a different story now they are that skint they can't afford Nani's wages.€25 mill is a bargain if what I've read is correct.GET IT DONE LVG

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27 Jun 2015 18:34:30
Carvalho will one day be a terrific player, however is ability to not lose his marker in the offensive stages of the game make somewhat of a liability, he'll constantly have a man on him and in a side like United where they control 60% possession he'll struggle to really cement his stamp on the team.

If he can get past that thought he'll be a real player in the coming years.

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27 Jun 2015 23:54:35
Better players out there imo

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27 Jun 2015 17:27:36
Think some of you might want to check the Arsenal page regarding Ramos. Ed02 has stated that Madrid are already looking at replacements for him, when getting asked about Koscienly possibly being a target

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27 Jun 2015 17:55:07
That is interesting, Real adding someone to replace Ramos. But of trolling going on at the arsenal page I see.

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27 Jun 2015 21:13:30
I imagine things luke this is what had Ed002 annoyed at us. nowhere does 002 say it is to replace Ramos, so where have you plucked that idea from?

Unless i'm being completely blind and can't see what you're talking about, but I see a post regarding players coming in to Arsenal, and then a question about Koscielny to Madrid, which 002 replies that he is of interest and they are considering others too, but nothing regarding Ramos?

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27 Jun 2015 22:27:29
Mpez it's was in reply to a question I asked but it appears the thread has been removed

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28 Jun 2015 00:06:06
It defo was there mpez, I think arsenal fans was trolling Ed2 and the post so prob why the thread was removed.

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{Ed001's Note - clubs always look at possible replacements when a player's contract is running down, it means little. Especially as they have interest in other centre backs too, ie Varane, that could end up leaving, and Pepe is long in the tooth.}

27 Jun 2015 17:11:35
Hi Guys

I thought I'd air my views on some of the rumours doing the rounds at the moment.

Ramos - this won't happen he will stay with Madrid.

Schweinsteiger - Not sure he is the long term answer we need.

Bacca - Not sure he's much better than what we already have.

De Gea - I'm very disappointed because I think he's off to Madrid.

Di Maria - Poor first season but a class player and I think he will prove to be the quality signing we all hoped he would be.

Schneiderlin - I am very excited about the prospect of this lad playing for us.I think he is the lonf term successor to Carrick.

Valdes - I think we should give him the opportunity to be our Number 1 as long as he is over his injury problems.

Well I think that will do for now. I look forward to your views.

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27 Jun 2015 18:40:09
agree with all of that. BUT i'd still take Schweini for anything under 15mil. not a long term solution but still has a few years left as a world class player. look at Pirlo is he 40? and was in the strongest midfield in the world arguably, got them to UCL final

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27 Jun 2015 17:01:55
Alot of talk regarding gaitan and he apprently has a "agreement" with a club most likey ourselves,

I know talking money is a touchy subject but anyone know how much he would cost or what his value is??

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27 Jun 2015 17:47:56
I can't see him coming personally.just another name being bandied around with the other 300+. I haven't seen him play that much but he looks ok but nothing special,could prove to be a decent signing at around 10 mill the only problem is where will he play?

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27 Jun 2015 18:21:57
For 10 million you can't argue if he's to replace nani maybe

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27 Jun 2015 23:57:44
Squad player at best

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27 Jun 2015 15:57:04
A lot of you seem to think it's strange to sign gaitan as he's a wide player but what if memphis depay was signed to be played as striker.

Just a thought

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27 Jun 2015 16:11:48
That would just hack me off. If we need a striker then sign a striker. Don't bring in someone who is not a striker and try to change them into a striker. LVG tried some weird things last season and I for one just want him to play top players in their natural roles next season.

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27 Jun 2015 17:01:42
the main issue is ,his not that good a player

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27 Jun 2015 18:27:07
By that reckoning jmb Gareth Bale would still be a left back

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27 Jun 2015 15:49:45
We was all over the moon when we signed di maria last season it didn't work out as we all hoped it would although I think we will see a much more improved player next season.

What I'm trying to get at is nico gaitan who it seems is not wanted by many on here could turn out to be a fantastic little player for us.

If he happens to sign we need to support him instead of slating him at every opportunity or we risk turning out like them lot on the pool page who are constantly slating everyone of their players or near enough.

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27 Jun 2015 23:59:16
Hes simply no better than what we already have

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27 Jun 2015 15:16:37
If we are to spend £35m on Ramos, I'd rather buy Laporte from Bilbao? Experienced, and only 21? Let's by honest all Rojo does is hoof it up the pitch! I do like Rojo's passion for the game, but he's average?

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27 Jun 2015 15:54:02
I like laporte but I think we need some experience in there. Ramos for me love his aggressiveness something we've lacked of late

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27 Jun 2015 16:37:04
Ramos will sign a new contract with Madrid,he is holding out for more money using United

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27 Jun 2015 17:17:52
Exactly! Get Laporte in! Then maybe we can negotiate a deal for Varane instead as part of the De Gea deal?

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27 Jun 2015 14:37:42
I am not sure whether Ramos will join us but I hope he does but still the reported 42 million pounds is just way too much for a 29 year old CB.


Hope we are able to negotiate a more suitable price tag.

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27 Jun 2015 14:21:02
Right so, at this moment in time who does everyone think, realistically, will be our signings this summer, feel free to also include outgoers.

I'm very happy that we have already signed depay, and with talk over the last few days i honestly hope that we sign schneiderlin over arsenal. Being greedy I'd like schweinsteiger too tbh. Personally I love Ramos, I'm not blind to his weaknesses but I would go bananas if we signed him. Striker wise I'm at a loss as to who if anyone we would bring in.

I've watched Rosales in the copa as well, only 3 games I know, but just thought I'd watch him as saw an ed mention him.
He tries hard but Toni just isn't a right back. Would be ahold replacement.

Outgoing wise, if I'm completely honest there are a lot of players I'd like to see moved on in a mass cull, but we may only just be able to scrape together a match day squad if I had my way.

What do you think devils?

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27 Jun 2015 15:34:50
GK if we lose Dave make Valdes number 1 and bring in Bernd Leno to learn from Valdes for the next year or 2

RB I don't think we'll get 1. there's a lack of quality RB's available so i'd take 2 CB's instead of 1 CB and a RB

CB Varane and Hummels youth and experience, if there's anyway we can get varane we should otherwise Chelsea will get him at some point

Midfield I agree Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin would give us great strength in depth without spending crazy money

Strikers. either Lacazette for his work rate, pace and finishing or Muller for his intelligence and adaptability. outside bet would b Kane but Levy will want crazy money

doubt we will get them all but they would b my picks

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27 Jun 2015 16:07:20
Bernd Leno, sign him up, Bring in Laporte from Bilbao along side Smalling, Schneiderlin already purchased, Depay, again already purchased, and finally go all guns blazing for Lacazette!

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27 Jun 2015 16:32:41
Valdes number 1 or sign Lloris.
Van der Wiel or Rosales right back tho I'd prefer Coleman
Otamendi for centre back partnered by smalling.
Schneiderlin CDM and looks like gaitan AM or Wing.
Pereira to be addred to first team squad.
Wilson will get game time next season, still unsure wether RVP will stay or go, Nani, Chica, Clevs, Rafael, Evans and DDG all to go.

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27 Jun 2015 12:42:49
Although Gaitan may not be everyone's favourite, LVG thinks Gaitan fits his philosophy. LVG stated in the past that whether a player fits into his philosophy is more important than individual qualities of the player. Probably a safety valve to escape when Dimaria or Depay fails to deliver this upcoming season. Young is good backup only not a regular starter. Gaitan may be a upgrade over young.

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27 Jun 2015 13:47:04
Ok so LvG's recipe to success is buy as many as you can and hope one of them has a good season which will mask the failures of others?

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27 Jun 2015 14:23:13
So you're saying that van Gaal deliberately seeks out lesser players who will follow his instructions instead of looking at top class players? Good managers should be able to get the best out of the best players. If van Gaal is only interested in signing obedient players, regardless of their actual talen, then he won't achieve much here.

I'm hoping that Gaitan isn't signed because he's a bit of a non-event. Not good enough on the wing or as a attacking mid. Doesn't look like a step up from what we have already, even in reserve. Is he better than Di Maria and Depay, or even Young and Januzaj? Not from what I've seen. Is he better than Mata or Rooney as an AM? Nope. So why buy him? I can't think of any reason, but I'm sure if he signs people will start looking at YouTube clips, and he'll be amazing.

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27 Jun 2015 15:12:54
First of all I believe Dimaria was not an out and out LVG signing. Reason he was partially signed was to show United's financial might. Strootman is an United player by now if he was not plagued by that injuries and LVG rates him very highly but not we fans. Schneiderlin is clearly better than Strootman, we are linked with S.lin only because of unstable injury condition of Strootman. SAF played Cleverly, Anderson even Rafael in midfield when Pogba was available. What is the possible explanation for that? Some events in football world puzzle everyone, Gaitan signing may be one of those.

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27 Jun 2015 16:13:19
If Di Maria wasn't an LVG sigining then he wouldn't be playing for Man Utd. Don't talk waffles.

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27 Jun 2015 12:12:22
I believe the success of Angel di Maria mext season will rely upon the success of Memphis Depay.

We all know ADM is a special player, and produce moments of heavenly football, but struggles astronomically with consistancy, and losing/wasting the ball.

At Madrid, he was able to flourish with Ronaldo in the team, as let's face it you'll double-up man mark Ronaldo every time, over ADM. He was granted more space, more time on the ball and as such produced the goods on a more regular basis, and earned himself a very highly thought of reputation around Europe.

Here, at Manchester United, he was our main attacking threat, and teams doubled up on him, causing him to have less time and space on the ball, in an already more competitive league to the Spanish la Liga. This brought out every bit of inconsistency he has in his body, game after game his confidence faltered, and one of Europe's most dazzling attacking talents was reduced to the bench for the majority of the season, at a team you'd have expected him to start for every week.

The problem? We had no players teams seen as a big enough threat, or potential threat, to have to double up on. Until the emergence of Marouane Fellaini's mid to end-of season form. And I believe we missed a great opportunity to see what ADM was really made of in this league. Fellaini had teams doubling up on him every game, even the defencive brick wall that was Chelsea this season. Had ADM played along with Fellaini, teams would have had the hard decision whether to double up on Fellaini, or double up on ADM. One of them would have had a great impact on the game, or should teams have doubled up on both (unlikely) then there would have been space for other players to impact the game.

Now, the upcoming season, I don't see Fellaini playing nearly as many games as he did in the season gone by, purely because we are Manchester United, the worlds greatest football club, with a history of great attacking players and football, and Maroune Fellaini contradicts everything we are about. No disrepect to him, the best in the world at what he does, but we shouldn't be relying on a player like that to win games.

As such, Memphis Depay will be one of the players who shall be seen as a threat to an opposing team. Should he hit the ground running woth the form he has been building upon in the last 3 years in the Eredivisie at PSV Eindhoven, then we will see more space open for ADM, to do what he can do so well if he gets the time to play.

Should ADM be utilised at RW, then I think Herrera and an attacking right-back - whoever that may eventually be - would be perfect for ADM to have the chance to impact a game, certainly more so than we were subjected to last season.

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27 Jun 2015 23:36:02
Good argument, MPez. I also think Di Maria can be given the ball quicker next season with a guy like Schneiderlin in the MF, with more interceptions and balls forward to Di Maria right away in transition.

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27 Jun 2015 10:45:26
Nico Gaitan is a left footed attacking midfielder who can also play on the wings. I'm guessing that's the 'fellaini' role sorted, it addresses the balance and he's versatile just like LVG wants. If Schneiderlin is true that'll be our other MF signing who can play the 'number 6' position who is versatile also to play further forward. I think that's what LVG has wanted, balance and versatility.

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27 Jun 2015 11:14:48
I don't think Gaitan is coming, this is an ongoing rumour for a while now.

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27 Jun 2015 11:28:20
Apparently it's almost a done deal AJH. Normally wouldn't pay attention mate but a few journalists I follow who share some good info claim it's almost tied up. Again he isn't my choice but LVG obviously feels there is need for him.

One thing though, why is everyone going on about 'sorting the Felliani role'? Surely using Felliani in the 'Felliani role' is better than having someone else playing the 'Felliani role' which is a role for Felliani as the name suggests!

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27 Jun 2015 11:29:28
Apparently we're going for Turan aswell as gaitan ha, jeez. We will be the attacking Mids eleven soon.

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27 Jun 2015 12:02:38
Gaitan is 5ft 8. Fellaini is 6ft 4.

I can't see Gaitan being our plan B (or plan A to be fair) for lumping it up, which we used in 75%+ of our games last season. Being generous here as well.

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27 Jun 2015 12:08:15
Turan is twice the player Gaitan is.

Beast - I have said all along everyone who believes Felliani will be a plan B next season will be disappointed. I believe he will still be one of the first names on the team sheet under LVG.

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27 Jun 2015 16:17:24
Personally I think fellaini will be a squad player. We need better to compete, gaitan fits the mould LVG looks for as does Schneiderlin, I think these may be out two MF signings, could be totally wrong of course.

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28 Jun 2015 00:15:18
Can't see felliani starting he will only be a squad player. 2 midfielders will be signed this summer let's hope its the lad from Southampton and one of schweinstiger or gundogan Then we will have a midfield that can compete with the best. About time we sorted this out.

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27 Jun 2015 10:17:35
So with the Gaitan looking very likely to be next through the door (being reported everywhere, although I personally wouldn't choose him) where does that leave the rest of the midfielders in similar playing roles?

In assuming Di Maria gets another season I feel Mata will be leaving soon which saddens me as he is a top class player.

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27 Jun 2015 10:39:39
I think Nani, Mata and possibly Januzaj will be gone. Gaitan is strange for me, I would much rather Konoplyanka on a free if we are going in that direction. I'm a bit baffled if this is true, I just don't get it. Same as when I read today that LVG is after Alba.

Pinch of salt time I reckon mate.

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27 Jun 2015 11:32:36
I agree mate. I think Nani is as good as gone. Mata (sadly) will head for pastures new where he is fully appreciated but I think (and hope) Januzaj stays put. Gaitan for me is also odd given our options in his role but then again LVG made some strange on-field decisions last season so it is no surprise to me his off-field ones are also odd.

Wouldn't mind the Alba's and Ramo's of this world mate but I cannot see anything too good to be true happening this wondow.

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27 Jun 2015 11:43:00
If we bought Gaitan and Chelsea bought Griezman that would leave us further behind. There were rumours in SAFs time we had interest in Gaitan and I watched him live at OT keeping a close eye on him. Decent movement but hardly outstanding I just don't see what he adds to our team that already has better players. It seems his agent is pushing this so is he needing a new contract in Portugal? I would be highly disappointed if we went anywhere near him. There are other priorities and Gaitan would not be on any list of mine

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27 Jun 2015 12:02:04
Now there's a player I really like the look of Red Man - Greizmann. We should be going all out for someone like him.

Apparently Gaitan is Di Maria's mate. Maybe that's what you need to get the best out of a £60million player, bring his best mate to help him bed in for another £20million. If that is playing any part in his transfer that's a total joke.

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27 Jun 2015 14:23:11
JMB

Bale is better but Griezman has improved at AM but Gaitan is more of a journeyman and I here is no way we should waste one penny on him

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27 Jun 2015 16:14:58
Agree again Red man. Bale would be perfect, Greizmann still fantastic but a player like Gaitan (in my opinion) is not the standard of player we should be looking at.

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28 Jun 2015 00:19:36
We tend to buy players that aren't utd standard. (Felliani, Smalling, jones) to name a few.

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27 Jun 2015 10:16:19
Fabian Delph - made a great improvement to his game over the last 18 months now become a pest to the oppostion with his workrate a rare box to box english midfielder and at £10 million a bargain is only going to get better in our squad a massive upgrade on Fletcher Anderson and Cleverley

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27 Jun 2015 11:33:12
Have been reading the daily Etihad again mate?

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27 Jun 2015 12:44:01
Dont see why that lot should have him if he can do job for us

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27 Jun 2015 18:40:58
Bfro

City are looking at buying home grown players to fill their squad quota. Players like Delph may take the payday on offer whilst accepting they won't play much, if at all. However some may look at what it did for several at City like Sinclair who wasted his time, and reject the idea. I believe we should buy top quality for the first team if we can't develop it ourselves and avoid buying players like Delph who I can't see being first choice for us.

I said prior to the last England game if we want an English midfield player then we should look at Wilshere.

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28 Jun 2015 00:21:24
We got more chance of getting pogba than getting wilshere off the gooners.

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28 Jun 2015 09:14:11
Sparky

I would take Pogba but if City felt they could get Wilshere why couldn't we?

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28 Jun 2015 18:32:10
Red man

Arsenal wouldn't sell him to anyone that's what I'm saying and he wouldn't want to leave them.

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27 Jun 2015 09:29:31
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new player profile about, Jonathan Spector

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27 Jun 2015 10:40:24
Haha - Is he still playing?

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27 Jun 2015 10:57:06
Last I heard of him he was a running joke with a few Birmingham fans I know

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27 Jun 2015 08:34:31
seems like Chelsea has become the fav destination of Brazilian players with Kennedy now signing for them as well.

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27 Jun 2015 08:33:16
I posted this earlier in the year and not sure if anyone replied. Calhanoglu, he is worth the money and some player.

one of those that might cost a fortune in a
couple of years. Do we have an interest in this guy.

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27 Jun 2015 15:35:40
He is rated very highly for a young lad! Just not sure what his best position would be? He could play anywhere along the front three, just behind the striker, or as a striker? Defo got an eye for goal that's for sure!

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27 Jun 2015 23:04:16
He looks a very decent player, but as a no 10 there surely isn't any need for him? That's the only position where we're well stocked!

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