Manchester United Banter Archive June 27 2018

 

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27 Jun 2018 19:07:05
What a day in football. Where is the football world is going. Germany out at Group stage. we are reading Fellaini signing new deal. what else left to hear?

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28 Jun 2018 00:35:07
Ronnie enquiring about a player over the legal age of consent?

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28 Jun 2018 06:05:47
I am happy Fellaini is staying. I just love his goal celebrations where he tries to point to his shirt number but doesn't know which direction he should face and his hands move totally out of synch. It looks as if someone has had a seizure while celebrating goal.

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28 Jun 2018 09:56:47
Yes, he started 5 games. Seville being one.

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27 Jun 2018 18:44:00
A bit of a reaction to fellani then.
I don't think he is that bad, he is a good plan b
He gets stuck in, plays like he cares.
There is more problems in United's team then fellani.
The centre of defence and full backs are a lot worse than fellani.
Is young going to be good enough going forward. when Valencia gets up the line can he cross a ball .
Is pogba the player he was supposed to be.
I could go on but I won't.

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27 Jun 2018 18:56:31
The problem Leahy is knowing mourinho, Fellaini won't be the plan b in most big games he will be the plan a. Also his biggest issue was lack of playing time, highly doubt he would sign unless some promises about playing time have been made.

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27 Jun 2018 20:05:08
Csm he started 5 league games last season. let's hope he starts less last season.
Apparently the new deal is on reduced terms he got no offers elsewhere obviously. No surprise there. I think iys disgusting yo see him in our jersey i'm still hoping Accrington Stanley will make a last ditch bid.

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27 Jun 2018 20:25:41
Jose will be happy, got his man, can he stay fit tho.

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27 Jun 2018 21:22:39
Being blown way outta proportion. As Ken said 5 games he started last season.

There will be games that don't go our way and in the last 10 minutes he will be ideal.

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27 Jun 2018 23:13:30
Jose wants him to fill a role in the squad he likes the option he gives him from the bench both attacking and to come on if defensively if we are being bombarded at 1 up with 10 mins to go.

My preference would have been to let him go. I would rather see a martial or rash come on if we are chasing a game or the likes of jones or tfm come to help see out a game.

Jred makes a good point on his fittness. He was out for 2 long periods last year. With knee and ankle injuries.

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28 Jun 2018 00:08:38
We all know Jose and he will be Plan A lol 5 games last season, new deal on less money, a good back up player to have an international midfield who always tries his best and is obviously well liked around the club.

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28 Jun 2018 02:59:22
Que hat trick vs England.

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28 Jun 2018 11:58:37
GDS he was injured for large parts, he missed 25-30 games due to injuries. Saying he started 5 games only is painting a very wrong picture.

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28 Jun 2018 18:18:43
CSM, do you think he's a starter then?

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27 Jun 2018 12:50:29
This Fellaini rumour has really baffled me. Looking at the midfield options we have Matic, Fred and Pogba who you'd imagine to be the main 3 to start and all Mourinho’s signings. McTominay who Jose gave his award to at the end of the season, Herrera who many would have as a potential starter and then Fellaini. Rumours are that we are still after a CM so that would be 7 into 3 with Fellaini, you would think and hope being at the bottom of the list. So this makes the potential renewal even more bizarre and to be honest, pointless. So what are the plans for Fellaini? Going to throw this one out there, what if Jose wants to use Fellaini as his back up striker? Tall, strong target man, if we are looking to get balls in the box from out wide to benefit Lukaku, Fellaini will benefit as well. He’ll hold the ball up and win flick ons for Sanchez and Lingard or the others? Will save money on looking for a back up striker as I don’t think Jose sees Martial or Rashford as that player! Just a thought because I cannot see any other reason for him being offered a contract! Baffling.

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27 Jun 2018 16:24:56
Hopefully this means the budget is spent on a RM, LB and CB.

We have plenty of CM's (of varying ability) so it makes business sense to keep hold of Fellaini rather than have to spend £30M on a backup player of similar ability in this market - considering we have already signed Fred - and use funds in areas where we are desperately short.

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27 Jun 2018 23:50:37
Not bad there, Ports. That idea actually makes some sense. Fellaini certainly has the back to goal part down.

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27 Jun 2018 10:50:12
Ridiculous if the reports are true that fellaini is staying. He’s played his part in certain games, but bending over backwards for an injury prone 30 year old squad player is pretty sickening to say the least. And if Young remains our first choice left back than I expect there to be problems come Xmas. Trying not to be negative but these are two players that should not be near our first team. Young should be a squad player but fellaini should be shown the door.

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27 Jun 2018 10:57:32
I’m not entirely sure we’ve bent over backwards here. My thinking is that perhaps we’ve left our original offer on the table and he’s not got the offers he wanted or whatever, and has decided to stay. Fingers crossed he’s going to be not much more than a rotation or plan b option. But if he’s going to be a key member of the squad well it may be a long season!

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27 Jun 2018 11:01:03
If Jose like Fellaini and he’s happy to be a bit part player then guess that’s ok. Matic, Fred and Pogba will be the first choice 3 you’d imagine. McTominay, Herrera and Fellaini as back up.

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27 Jun 2018 11:31:16
If these rumours are true, why make a big deal of the whole announcement being the 1st of July. I'd get it if he was signing for someone else but just renewing his contract is ridiculous. I think Caolan_2 has hit the nail on the head with the original offer we made being the best he got offered.

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27 Jun 2018 11:31:18
Gonna stick a months wages on city winning the league by boxing day.

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27 Jun 2018 11:42:28
It feels like fellaini has had the power here. If he’s staying then I imagine he has certain Clauses in his contract which stipulates a certain amount of playing time. He is not good enough for us, even as a squad player. We should have retracted the offer on the table when he went round half of Europe offering himself to other clubs. Quite frankly it’s a shambles. If we aren’t signing another midfielder I would have much rather seen pereira get given a chance to gain a place in the squad.

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27 Jun 2018 11:43:08
Mourinho will be over the moon, he was secured his first choice target for midfield. I expect work to start on Young's new long term deal to secure our first choice LB for the next couple of years.

Then sell Martial and replace him with a soon to be 30 Willian. Then sign Bonucci to be first choice CB alongside Smalling.

Jobs a good un. Lol.

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27 Jun 2018 11:46:48
I am sorry but we made him an offer. He looked elsewhere for a better offer but could not find one same came back.

I would have said the original offer is no longer valid and offered him lower terms. Take it or leave it.

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27 Jun 2018 11:55:07
He atleast puts effort in when he plays unlike a few other players. He ain't my cup of tea as he lacks in talent but not effort but i think he will be a good plan b or c for the team when you want to rest the likes of matic fred and pogba.

I wouldve got rid of but if that means spend money else where and secure our targets then that's a fair decision.

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27 Jun 2018 11:55:30
I hope this is paper talk :but if it is true then deal could be 1 year with a 1 year extension only triggered by the club that was mooted some time ago. can't blame the player really if its true - no one in their right mind would turn the club down.

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27 Jun 2018 13:08:12
"bending over backwards for an injury prone 30 year old squad player is pretty sickening to say the least"

Only just managed to regain my composure after laughing so much at an over reaction.

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27 Jun 2018 13:13:18
It's all OK, don't worry. It's all part of the 3 year Mourinho masterplan. As we keep getting told by many a poster on this site, once Mourinho has the team he wants after 5 transfer windows, we will play ten yards further up the field without the need for two holding midfielders and it will be a goal frenzy like it was in Madrid. We have it on good authority from these posters that this is how it will be. If it's Fellaini, Young, Willian, Smalling and Bonnuci who are part of Jose's hand picked and well crafted squad, just have faith that the man knows what he's doing and they are the best and most appropriate players available in the roles that they will play. It's not about the individuals, it's about the team. Jose's a serial winner and he knows more than any of us about the blend of players needed to get the right balance. Remember, in Jose we trust. No?

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27 Jun 2018 13:52:55
Moon,

What about giving the city the title by Boxing Day? Also a classic.

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27 Jun 2018 14:06:07
Hardly an overreaction moon. If we have aspirations of getting back to the top then fellaini is not the sort of player who will get us there. If he stays I guarantee Jose will play him in the big games. And then let’s see how we perform.

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27 Jun 2018 14:19:48
What I'm surprised about is why when Fellaini was available on a free contract none of the top sides came in for him. He is exactly the kind of player all the top sides need as a plan B or C.

So why didn't Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Man City, PSG, Napoli ect ect swoop for him I will never know.

We have pulled off the coup of the summer by snatching him away from the likes of UCL heavy weights such as Galatasaray, Arsenal and Trabzonspor.

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{Ed002's Note - There really is nothing that is "free" about signing players.}

27 Jun 2018 16:07:53
Manc Man, have I missed the posts where people were guaranteeing we would play ten yards further up and have a goal frenzy? Could you quote someone saying that? All I remember is some posts hoping that might happen and urging not to judge before he has his players in. But it’s much easier to argue when you invent your opponents position and eggagerate it to sound unreasonable.

Example: So, Manc, you think Jose is the worst manager in the world and we will be relegated next year?! What a stupid thing to say!

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27 Jun 2018 16:17:02
park. Totally agree. He should never have been bought in the first place. He is useless.

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27 Jun 2018 18:23:54
Surely this isn't a serious thread?

Glad to know the solution to the title is whether Fellaini plays or not hahahahahaah. brilliant.

I thought as many of you were banging on about it was because Sanchez is rubbish, our defence is rubbish and Pogba is the worlds biggest flop?

oh and let us do not forget the worlds worst fullbacks according to you all.

Sometimes I wonder whether people on here have ever done their coaching badges or been involved at a serious enough level to comment on tactical decisions made by a manager. It's ludicrous.

Park, it's a complete over-reaction. A player resigning is sickening? let that sink in for a minute.

I love Fellaini as a player personally and I'd rather see him continue to be at Old Trafford over players like Pogba (ED002 made it clear he never really wanted to come back) or Martial (Nicholas Anelka 2.0).

I would suggest that perhaps with the exception of the likes of Pep and Wenger, most professional managers in the game would want a player of Fellaini's build and ability to create space with his body in their midfield or attacking options.

Welcome back Fellaini and I hope he continues to annoy many of you with his long ball ability (an ability that is incredibly rare to find in forwards may I add, letalone midfielders)

He may not be able to pass a ball very well but he's second to the likes of Andy Carrol when it comes to attacking the ball in the air.

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27 Jun 2018 18:26:10
In Jose we trust.

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27 Jun 2018 19:36:16
jred I think I detect sarcasm, but just in case. No we do not.
Fair do s Fellini has been useful and appalling in equal measures. If he is the answer it is a damn stupid question we are addressing, but seriously, for me the real issue is he doesn't want to be here and having mucked us about we should tell him the offer has been withdrawn. ON YER BIKE LAD!

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27 Jun 2018 20:28:04
Jose been very vocal he wants to keep him, not a jred type player but he is a Jose type and part of the style he plays.

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27 Jun 2018 21:25:02
AAA useless he is not.

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28 Jun 2018 00:00:15
He is useless as a midfielder because he can't pass the ball. He's also useless at manouvering and turning quickly. These are basic attributes of a midfielder and he hasn't got any of them.
Let's not forget that he'd been mouthing off about holding United to ransom with his contract, and all of a sudden, all the deals have fallen through as he IS useless and no team wants him.

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27 Jun 2018 10:38:35
It appears that Fellaini will end up staying. Another massive mistake imo. We were successful in Sir Alex's era due to a core of youth and excellent recruitment but ever since it has been very poor.

Signing players like Pogba for massive fees and huge wages are expensive gambles and it appears from what the editor has told us that we are struggling to move him on due to his price and wages. Add to that a contract extension for Fellaini and the high likelihood of going into next season with Young and Valencia as full backs and the possibility of Martial leaving, what began as a promising summer might yet leave our squad in stagnant or possibly worse shape than what it was before.

I would be very disappointed with the window and extremely concerned going into next season if another CM and at least one top fullback and right sided winger don't arrive. With Fellaini staying that looks highly unlikely.

I've largely been supportive of Jose. I believe he's brought back belief and has done a better job than he gets credit for. But managers live and die by their recruitment and this summer could be the undoing of Jose at United. The transfer strategy this summer is already looking like a complete shambles. Do we really need a center back nearing his 30s when we have Bailly and an improving Lindelof with Jones and Smalling being solid last season? Why was Rojo given a new contract? Is a bench striker really what is required when we have Rashford and Martial? Why are we targeting wingers close to their 30s? Moyes and LVG largely dug their own graves by poor signings and I sincerely hope Jose does not end up that way.

The wingers we are linked with seem to be a massively overpriced, soon to be 30 injury prone Gareth Bale and a similarly overpriced Willian. Signing either would be like putting an expensive bandaid on a deeper problem. Similar with the extension of Fellaini and the purchase of Sanchez. We keep making the same mistake time and again.

In years gone by we would have been signing players in their early twenties and developed and nurtured them. There's plenty of right wingers out there that we can sign. Similar with central midfielders and full backs. We need to be doing everything we can to sign players like Pulisic and add players close to hitting their prime like Jorginho and Sandro. Maybe not those specific names but similar players with a similar profile.

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27 Jun 2018 11:52:13
This is what Jose does, is it really that shocking?

He doesn't give youth a real chance no matter how many players he likes to list as him giving them a debut. He doesn't develop or improve players, he just demands it of them, some it works with others it doesn't.

He is known for not playing youngsters regularly, he is known for his defensive tactics and he is known for his preference of signing players closer to 30 than 20.

This will not change, Mourinho will not change. Yes he is a very good manager, one of the best over the last 20 years. But he was never a good fit for our club, and he never will be.

I hope he succeeds, I hope he proves me wrong. However, I haven't seen anything yet to suggest I will be.

My hope now is that the club doesn't get too damaged this coming season.

Mourinho's high physical demands will only cause issues with players coming off the back of a summer with limited rest due to the world cup.

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27 Jun 2018 12:34:17
It is shocking to me Shappy, especially regards to Fellaini. Jose 's signings at Chelsea and Madrid were hardly close to 30. Yes he has signed the odd player close to 30 to do a job for a year (Zlatan, Matic, Milito) for eg. but the entire list of summer targets being that is quite baffling.

He's played young players before. I don't expect him to develop youth but buying players in their early to mid 20s who are close to their peak is something he's done before.

Fingers crossed Fellaini staying and no other CM coming means we dedicate our transfer budget to bringing in a top left back and winger and if we are getting a CB in we should sell one or maybe even two. The editor mentioned Sandro, Pulisic and Varane / Lenglet being possible targets and J hope we go for that age profile.

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27 Jun 2018 14:13:46
Mourinho definitely prefers to sign older players over younger ones. That doesn’t mean younger players don’t sign for clubs he manages, but are the younger players the ones he really wants or are they the ones the club wants?

At Real Madrid they signed players for commercial reasons, their “Galactico” signings, players which their manager has very little say over. For me the proof is in the pudding. Don’t look at the players a clubs signs, look at the players the manager picks.

If we look at Mourinho’s signings since he came to our club. We have Zlatan at 35 when he signed. Matic, Mkhitaryan and Sanchez 29 when they signed. Lukaku at 24, Pogba at 23 and both Lindelof and Bailly at 22.

Here is the number of minutes played by Mourinho’s signings this season in the league and UCL.

Matic - 3683
Lukaku - 3573
Pogba - 2430
Lindelof - 1734
Bailly - 1270
Sanchez - 1213 (in half a season)
Mkhitaryan - 1216
Zlatan- 119

When you look at the season before Pogba’s minutes dropped from 3873 to 2430 a drop of 1443 minutes of playing time. Or more than Bailly, Sanchez and Mkhitaryan have played for us this season in total (Sanchez and Mkhitaryan only half a season) . Bailly saw his minutes reduce from 3050 to 1270, less than half the number of minutes he played the season before. When Zlatan was fully fit he played 3336 minutes for us which would put him as our third highest per minute player this season.

To put some perspective on it no one would say Lindelof played very often for us last season, just 1734 minutes isn’t a huge amount when you consider the maximum number of minutes a player could have played in the league and UCL last season was 4140. Martial last season played in 1927 minutes. Or a shade over two games more than Lindelof. Lingard only played 2069 or two games more than Martial.

This shows that when given the choice Mourinho would rather play an older steady eddy such as Young than someone with potential to become a far better player such as Shaw.

I read a statistic the other day that the average age of Mourinho’s sides across his career is 30.73 years old. Which if accurate shows he prefers experience over potential. So we really shouldn’t be surprised that the he has wants players like Fellaini 30, Young 34, Herrera 29 and Mata 30 be given new contracts before the likes of Shaw 23 and Martial 22 ect. Nor should we be surprised that the players he wants to sign are Perisic 29, Willian 29, Bale 29, Alderweireld 29, Bonucci 31, Godin 32 or Alex Sandro 28.

3 of his 8 signings have been 29 when signed and 50% have been 29 or older. The older players bar Pogba and Lukaku (the guys we paid 90m each for) have received far less playing time than the older ones. And within in our existing squad he has favoured our older players over our younger ones. So it really shouldn’t be that surprising.

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27 Jun 2018 14:33:56
Mikh wasn't 29 when signed and Sandro is not 28, Agree on Mou preferring experienced players.

But when you look at the players he added I don't think he deserves the stick your giving him, most of them are young, Dalot and Fred (recent additions) are 19 and 25 respectively.

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Review Of The Day 27th June 2018

27 Jun 2018 06:31:34
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 27th June 2018

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